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Sen. Snow Drops Common Sense In Favor Of "history"  
User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

Abandoning common sense as well as seeing a bad bill for what it is Sen. Snow became the lone GOP member to vote for the Senate Finance health care bill. According to the story,
she was laying aside misgivings for now and voting to advance the bill, a sweeping $829-billon, 10-year health care remake that would help most Americans get coverage without creating a new government insurance plan. "When history calls, history calls," said Snowe.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091013/...p_on_go_co/us_health_care_overhaul

If you have misgivings why would you vote for the bill Senator? Would you vote to convict a person of a crime and send them to prison if you had "misgivings"????

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User currently offlineJakeOrion From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1253 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

I really really hope this thing doesn't get past the Senate in its current state.

As for Snow, let's say she won't be getting re-elected any time soon.



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User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11533 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2263 times:

I liked this quote from Snowe:

As Snowe made clear, "My vote today is my vote today. It doesn't forecast what my vote will be tomorrow."

But, with no public option in this bill, I thought you righties would be praising it!. Oh, wait. It goes against the general GOP consensus, doesn't it. We can't have anyone step out of line, can we? No dissinting opinion within the party. How dare she form her own opinion!

As for:

Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 1):
let's say she won't be getting re-elected any time soon.

That's up to the people of Maine.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8188 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

Senator Snowe's vote today maintains a reasonable channel of communication between Republicans and Democrats on this issue. Her willingness to consider voting for the Committee's final result was the primary reason why she was included in the discussions, and was able to impact it to somme degree.

The other Republicans on the Committee were part of the "let's make it Obama's Waterloo" group. Just how far does anyone believe their comments would go with the Democrats?

As for the bill itself - it's one of several moving to final voting. Because the conservatives failed to take care of the medical cost crisis in this country it's now in the hands of Democrats. This is what the people in this country voted for so there should be no surprise that it's coming.


User currently offlineFr8Mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5358 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2229 times:



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 2):
As Snowe made clear, "My vote today is my vote today. It doesn't forecast what my vote will be tomorrow."

Yes, but by her vote, it now has 'bi-partisan support'.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 2):
I thought you righties would be praising it!

Let me tell you in a nut shell what us 'righties' want:

-Tort reform: it has to happen before anything else.
-Insurance reform: we have to change the way we use medical insurance. It needs to be like any other form of insurance. Used for catostrophic coverage.
-Insurance portability and competition: Insurance companies need to be able to peddle their wares across state lines.

There's a couple of other things, but those are the biggies.

With those 3 things, medical costs will go down and insurance will become more affordable to more people. We can address those who truly can't pay for it then.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 3):
This is what the people in this country voted for so there should be no surprise that it's coming.

The people did not vote to put a massive segment of the economy under government control with or without debate. We need something, but not what is being peddled by this gang of misfits.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 2):
We can't have anyone step out of line, can we?

Ask Liebermann if any Democrat is allowed to step out of line.

A mere 385 (447, depending on how you look at it) days until half this nightmare is over.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2216 times:



Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 1):
I really really hope this thing doesn't get past the Senate in its current state.

It won't. The floor of the Senate will add massive amendments to it. The House versions are different, so I see a conference committee coming up. Pelosi will make her priorities known then, and the Senate will not go along with it. It is doubtful the House will, either.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 2):
As Snowe made clear, "My vote today is my vote today. It doesn't forecast what my vote will be tomorrow."

Sort of like John Kerry when he said "I voted for the war before I voted against it", isn't it?

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 2):
We can't have anyone step out of line, can we? No dissinting opinion within the party. How dare she form her own opinion!

Are we talking about the democrats?

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 2):
But, with no public option in this bill, I thought you righties would be praising it!. Oh, wait. It goes against the general GOP consensus, doesn't it.

Then you thought wrong.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 2):
Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 1):
let's say she won't be getting re-elected any time soon.

That's up to the people of Maine.

Yes, it will.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 3):
Senator Snowe's vote today maintains a reasonable channel of communication between Republicans and Democrats on this issue.

????? Where did you get that from?

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 3):
As for the bill itself - it's one of several moving to final voting. Because the conservatives failed to take care of the medical cost crisis in this country it's now in the hands of Democrats.

Then why didn't the Dems "take care of it between 1950 and 1992? Or the 4 of the last 8 years they controled one house or the other? Why now?

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 3):
This is what the people in this country voted for so there should be no surprise that it's coming.

No, this is not what the country voted for. We voted (or didn't vote at all) to get rid of the idiots on OUR side.

Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 4):
Quoting Seb146 (Reply 2):
As Snowe made clear, "My vote today is my vote today. It doesn't forecast what my vote will be tomorrow."

Yes, but by her vote, it now has 'bi-partisan support'.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 4):
Let me tell you in a nut shell what us 'righties' want:

-Tort reform: it has to happen before anything else.
-Insurance reform: we have to change the way we use medical insurance. It needs to be like any other form of insurance. Used for catostrophic coverage.
-Insurance portability and competition: Insurance companies need to be able to peddle their wares across state lines.

There's a couple of other things, but those are the biggies.

 checkmark   checkmark   checkmark 

Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 4):
A mere 385 (447, depending on how you look at it) days until half this nightmare is over.

 checkmark   checkmark   checkmark 


User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2198 times:



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 2):
But, with no public option in this bill, I thought you righties would be praising it!.

It does not meet any of the criteria that even the President said was necessary for him to support it. Why would conservatives vote for it? I go back to her statement that "even though she has misgivings" about the bill she voted for it. Why in the world would you vote to advance a bill that you did not feel was right? What is the point of that?

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 3):
Her willingness to consider voting for the Committee's final result was the primary reason why she was included in the discussions, and was able to impact it to somme degree.

How was she able to impact it? Name a single GOP admendment that was adopted and not shot down along party lines? All this proves is that she can be bought. The President called on her several times looking to see what he could do to get her vote. Expect that some big time pork will pass without any democratic opposition going towards Maine.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 3):
The other Republicans on the Committee were part of the "let's make it Obama's Waterloo" group. Just how far does anyone believe their comments would go with the Democrats?

The other GOP members were part of the group that saw this bill for what it is. A financial joke that will not accomplish any of the Presidents stated aims. 29 million will remain uninsured, taxes will go up on the middle class, taxes begin immediately while benefits will not kick in for several years. Finally, in the end there may be rationing.

Scrap these bills and start over. Reform the existing system.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 3):
Because the conservatives failed to take care of the medical cost crisis in this country it's now in the hands of Democrats

Explain what Democrats were doing in 1993 then? They were claiming the same sort of crisis as today and didn't even bring a bill up for comittee vote then.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 3):
This is what the people in this country voted for so there should be no surprise that it's coming.

And of course that is supported by all sorts of poll numbers right?


User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1649 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2181 times:



Quoting DXing (Thread starter):
As for Snow, let's say she won't be getting re-elected any time soon.

She will be up for re-election in 2012

Just some info to consider:

This is just to vote it out of committee, the process now moves forward to combining the Senate Finance Bill with the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP Committee) bill

She might not vote for the final version in the Senate or when it comes out of the conference committee with the House.

It will be interesting to see if a Public Option comes out in the final bill as the trigger, which she proposed. It would trigger a Public Option in the case that costs do not decline like it is predicted.

BTW, it is Snowe, not Snow



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8188 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2177 times:



Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 4):
Let me tell you in a nut shell what us 'righties' want:

-Tort reform: it has to happen before anything else.

Sure hasn't help provide noticeable cuts in Texas where tort reform has been in place for years. Why don't we see cost reductions in Texas? Could be a great demonstration of how tort reform could cut costs throughout the country.

Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 4):
-Insurance reform: we have to change the way we use medical insurance. It needs to be like any other form of insurance. Used for catostrophic coverage.

Which means cut all preventative care costs from the insurance P&Ls? No more annual mammograms for women in the at risk age groups? Reduce check-ups for guys in the age group for prostate cancer?

Maybe we can reduce the overall costs of care through increasing the level of preventative care in this country.

Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 4):
Insurance portability and competition: Insurance companies need to be able to peddle their wares across state lines.

How many states would Aetna be denied access today?

Are you suggesting that we switch to the state with the lowest standards related to health insurance? Glad I have Medicare if that's the case.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5):
Where did you get that from?

From reading. Great thing about the internet is that you can read news from all over the world. Democrats actually paid attention to Senator Snowe. Same thing does not apply to a lot of Republicans on the Hill.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5):
Why now?

Because the Democrats NOW have the White House, Senate and House of Representatives. Republicans voted out last November. Remember?

Quoting DXing (Reply 6):
Scrap these bills and start over. Reform the existing system.

Basic health insurance industry/conservative pap that essentially means "don't screw with our profit/bonus ride", otherwise known as "screw the patient, this is about profits, not health care".


User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2176 times:



Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 7):
Quoting DXing (Thread starter):
As for Snow, let's say she won't be getting re-elected any time soon.

She will be up for re-election in 2012

Not my quote.

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 7):
This is just to vote it out of committee,

But it allows for the democratic party to try and claim cover by saying it was "bipartisan" even though only one GOP vote was cast in its favor. A solid front would not have left them with that.

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 7):
She might not vote for the final version in the Senate or when it comes out of the conference committee with the House.

Shouldn't make any difference. The democrats will have 60 votes to pass whatever they wish but fortunately for all of us they can't get their own party members to come to complete agreement.

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 7):
BTW, it is Snowe, not Snow

Yes but thanks to the title length limit a letter had to go and the 'e' was the least impacting.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2168 times:

Now matter what CNN or MSNBC says the bill has no chance with the public option unless they give each state the option to opt out. That is going to be the dealbreaker. All these lawmakers who are going on MSNBC and saying anyone who voted against is against reform and all this other diversionary crap are trying to hide the fact that there isn't enough Dems that will vote yes with a public option like they want. It will come down to that and if Pelosi doesn't budge this may geet ugly.

User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2167 times:



Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 1):
As for Snow, let's say she won't be getting re-elected any time soon.

Yes & no.
She isn't up for re-election until 2012 so no, she wont get re-elected "any time soon" but she will get re-elected in 2012.  Smile

Olympia Snowe has an approval rating over 70%, among the highest of any US Senator.
Obama won the state of Maine by a very large margin and most voters in Maine support the President and Senator Snowe.



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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2135 times:



Quoting Ken777 (Reply 8):
Basic health insurance industry/conservative pap that essentially means "don't screw with our profit/bonus ride", otherwise known as "screw the patient, this is about profits, not health care".

By all accounts this bill will raise premiums so if your idea of health care reform is lower costs, this bill does not do that.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21522 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2113 times:



Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 4):
Ask Liebermann if any Democrat is allowed to step out of line.

Seeing as he's kept his committee chairmanship, his answer would most likely be "yes".

-Mir



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User currently offlineMarSciGuy From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2110 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):

Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 1):
As for Snow, let's say she won't be getting re-elected any time soon.

Yes & no.
She isn't up for re-election until 2012 so no, she wont get re-elected "any time soon" but she will get re-elected in 2012. Smile

Olympia Snowe has an approval rating over 70%, among the highest of any US Senator.
Obama won the state of Maine by a very large margin and most voters in Maine support the President and Senator Snowe.

I can't see Snowe being voted out anytime soon (including 2012) -she has served the State well and with the above-mentioned approval rating, will continue to.



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User currently offlineFr8Mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5358 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2085 times:



Quoting Ken777 (Reply 8):
Which means cut all preventative care costs from the insurance P&Ls? No more annual mammograms for women in the at risk age groups? Reduce check-ups for guys in the age group for prostate cancer?

Maybe we can reduce the overall costs of care through increasing the level of preventative care in this country.

The devil is in the details. Policies would reflect reduced costs for preventative care and certain screenings. Let's throw in some health savings plans so that people can save for the medical eventuality. Hell, we have Christmas clubs, how about saving for medical costs? But if you have a damned cold, you'll have to pony up the cost.

Quoting Mir (Reply 13):
Seeing as he's kept his committee chairmanship, his answer would most likely be "yes".

He was primaried and had to win as an independent. The people spoke, not the party. If the party hacks had their way, some other drone would hold the seat.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8188 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2068 times:



Quoting DXing (Reply 12):
By all accounts this bill will raise premiums so if your idea of health care reform is lower costs, this bill does not do that.

If you want to see premiums go down, or at least hold their present levels then step one is to ensure treatments are paid for. Even for the poor. Even for the people of this country with pre-eisting conditions.

Otherwise you will have tests, procedures, various other treatments and hospital stays jacked up in price to pay for those who can't. Guess what? Those jacked up prices are paid for by insurance companies and their increased costs are passed on to you - or to your employer. Or, of course, both.

Lack of universal care is going to mean your costs go up. Probably more than your wages or salary. Unless, of course, you work for a health insurance company.  Smile

Oh, when I was traveling to Australia on business & my health insurance here was starting to increase the private health insurance policy I had for Australia was 20% of the US insurance cost. That's an 80% DROP in that socialized medicine country, private care, dental included, no deductible.

Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 15):
The devil is in the details.

It is. Maybe the conservatives in the US can learn from the Liberals in Australia.

Especially since the Aussie Liberals are on the right and the Labour Party is on the left. Aussie Liberals (conservatives) seem to be able to handle both private health insurance and public care very successfully. Maybe the Aussies are just very clever. They did manage to take the American's Cup away from the NY Yacht Club , you know, with the most innovative design in about 132 years . . .


User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2068 times:



Quoting DXing (Thread starter):
If you have misgivings why would you vote for the bill Senator?

Almost every time any member of Congress votes for a bill, and many times they vote against a bill they have misgivings, concerns. The way Congress lumps stuff together - almost any sane person can find provisions they do not like.

Quoting DXing (Reply 6):
Why in the world would you vote to advance a bill that you did not feel was right? What is the point of that?

Because our Congress will never pass a perfect bill. Will never pass a law which is 'right'.

Most of the time what we get is 'close enough'. That is probably the Senator's view. This bill still has issues, but are the issues minor enough that the overall good outweighs the bad?

Take for example the thread of Senator Al's amendment. Will the Republicans vote against the Defense Appropriation Bill, vote against weapons for our troops, vote against the defense industry contracts - to keep the KBR amendment from becoming law?


User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4941 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2053 times:



Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 17):


Take for example the thread of Senator Al's amendment. Will the Republicans vote against the Defense Appropriation Bill, vote against weapons for our troops, vote against the defense industry contracts - to keep the KBR amendment from becoming law?

Most did. That bill passed 68-30 in the Senate, and with 40 Republicans in that chamber, 75% DID do exactly what you just described.



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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2050 times:



Quoting Ken777 (Reply 16):
If you want to see premiums go down, or at least hold their present levels then step one is to ensure treatments are paid for. Even for the poor. Even for the people of this country with pre-eisting conditions.

No matter how you slice it this bill does not decrease costs or even hold them at their present levels. Medicare is facing cuts and taxes will go up on virutally everyone.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 16):
Lack of universal care is going to mean your costs go up.

Universal care means my costs go up. There is simply no way, short of nationalizing everyone and everything in the health care industry in this nation, and then paying the health care workers less and charging the citizens more while sending thousands to the unemployment line to make costs hold their own.

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 17):
Because our Congress will never pass a perfect bill.

This bill was not an omnibus bill in which I would agree with your statement. This was a narrowly defined bill regarding health care. She came out and said she had misgivings about it. If so then she should have voted against it until her concerns were addressed.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21522 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2036 times:



Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 15):
He was primaried and had to win as an independent. The people spoke, not the party. If the party hacks had their way, some other drone would hold the seat.

Indeed he was primaried. By the voters. The voters decided they didn't want him on the Democratic ticket. Simple as that.

-Mir



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User currently offlineOkie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2986 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2027 times:



Quoting DXing (Reply 19):
Universal care means my costs go up. There is simply no way, short of nationalizing everyone and everything in the health care industry in this nation, and then paying the health care workers less and charging the citizens more while sending thousands to the unemployment line to make costs hold their own.

That is why small business and large corporations are dead quiet about Obamacare.
They are gearing up and quietly saying "bring it on"
The unintended consequences will be borne by the employee and the unemployed.

Okie


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8845 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2025 times:

Let us watch the procedure, this is the way it works, that is what majority and minority mean, one party is on top and the other is not. I have never heard a complaint from anyone while their party was in power. When the worm turns, deal with it. How can we complain, Republican or Democrat? After all we have sent these folks back again and again, we love them, we trust them. I do think Senator Snowe displayed the courage of her convictions, that something has to change. I applaud her for it.


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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8188 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2023 times:



Quoting DXing (Reply 19):
No matter how you slice it this bill does not decrease costs or even hold them at their present levels.

First you need to understand that this is not the final bill. It is one committee out of several from the Senate & House that will continue to shape the eventual legislation.

The questions now is the degree of involvement that moderates work with those who will drive the legislation and who still be working to keep the insurance companies happy. I don't think anyone is looking to conservatives for guidance.

Quoting DXing (Reply 19):
Universal care means my costs go up.

I won't restate my comments on how much cheaper PRIVATE MEDICAL INSURANCE was in Australia. You're too convinced that the more your employer pays for private health insurance the better off you are. Nothing is going to change your mind until your employer hang up on the insurance company cash cow.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19408 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1993 times:



Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 4):

-Insurance reform: we have to change the way we use medical insurance. It needs to be like any other form of insurance. Used for catostrophic coverage.

Who pays for preventative care, then?

Human bodies aren't like cars or homes. So human insurance shouldn't be like car or house insurance.


25 Fr8Mech : How about....the patient? Or, as I say a little later: the devil is in the details. Policies can be written to provide preventative care and screenin
26 Ken777 : As long as they can afford it. What about the ones who can't? And what about those contagious medical conditions? The Nanny State picked up the tab f
27 Seb146 : So, the poor and working people still would not be able to see a doctor. They would only be able to work until they are so sick they can not move. By
28 DXing : Yes, now the Senate so called Leader Harry Reid will coalace all the bills (some which have been amended after they left committee without another vo
29 Post contains links Dreadnought : As others have said, the bill now has to be combined with bills from other committees, and the public option will be put back in. The final bill will
30 Continental : What about other scenarios like cancers? A colonoscopy, PSA test, pap smear and mammograms don't cost $0. There are many diseases that can benefit fr
31 RFields5421 : Because that is how all types of insurance work - health, life, car, home, etc. Those with the lowest risks end up paying more for their coverage tha
32 DXing : The CBO has said preventitive medicine, in which everyone gets the above tests, will cost more in the long run since you are testing people that have
33 Seb146 : So, you are saying put profits ahead of the health of Americans. As a man, I have "virtually" no chance of contracting breast cancer. But, the chance
34 NIKV69 : We have known this since the beginning. This vote really was meaningless. She is against the public option and Pelosi has basically painted herself i
35 Dreadnought : I am curious about one thing. A couple of months ago, we had all the tea parties and town hall meetings. Congress was in recess and HR 3200 was publis
36 DXing : SSDD. If saving money is what you are after then preventitive care, as portrayed by the President, will not do that. It would also be prudent to do s
37 FlyPNS1 : Very few people actually read it. They got upset because they were scared into being upset by threats of "death panels" and other imaginary ghosts. M
38 Ken777 : My two Senators are right wing duffel butts who have zero chance of adding anything intelligent to the political process of finalizing the bill. Amaz
39 AGM100 : Love what Rush said today .,.. The "Pessimist" among us had a small victory . Those who believe that America and Americans are helpless and our future
40 Seb146 : Good! Cancer can strike anyone anywhere anytime. Just like heart attacks. People that have zero risk factors still have heart problems. I would rathe
41 MaverickM11 : Someone still has to pay for it, regardless of what you're paying. I know it's easy to make the insurers the bad guys, but they're one of the few ent
42 Post contains links Pyrex : http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091014/...p_on_go_co/us_health_care_overhaul Another Republican senator is behind the bill. Surprise surprise, she is fro
43 Ken777 : And what re the ratings of these five? I'm talking about patient ratings. And what percentage of test or treatment requests are initially denied. Lik
44 AGM100 : Fear not , the big corporations are fully behind this bill ... they would much prefer taxpayers fit the bill for healthcare. Uni health care is a big
45 Continental : To put it better, not every disease is related to mindless, or poor decisions made by individuals. Even if somebody did smoke for 30 years, I think i
46 Lufthansa411 : Going to school in Germany this year, I applied for German health insurance. There was a 3 page form to fill out, which mostly consisted of addresses
47 Post contains links DXing : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0...a-health-care-speech_n_281265.html And insurance companies will be required to cover, with no extra charge, ro
48 San747 : Oh come on DXing. I've read your posts before and you're smarter than this. I've never seen words twisted around so self-servingly. What he will make
49 Continental : But wouldn't that still mean that a good deal of people would need preventive testing?
50 MaverickM11 : Which will increase costs... I keep wondering who is buying into the CNN created Swine Flu hysteria....
51 DXing : Given the choice to get the tests, who won't if it is paid for by someone else. It is reverse pyschology of sorts and that is just one quote. The Pre
52 Seb146 : Let's use an analogy that the conservatives seem to get: Auto insurance. When a person pays auto insurance, they are paying with all those other peop
53 Ken777 : Health care reform for conservatives is limited to tort "reform" and boosting insurance company profits by allowing sales from states with the lowest
54 Pyrex : Not doctors, that's for sure. When I went to the hospital because of a "swine flu" scare at my job the doctors there said "Again? Another person caug
55 MaverickM11 : That's true for the regular flu, and in fact just about any communicable disease. True, but limiting the consumers' choice is a nonstarter, regardles
56 Slider : Run along now, Olympia…the looney bin is calling. You’re on the wrong side of history and human nature and you will fail. No system is sustainabl
57 San747 : When did I ever say you don't deserve to seek out the health care you may need or want as well using your own contributions? The thing is, you're luc
58 MaverickM11 : We already suffer too many tests, whether by choice or perverse incentive. Mandating they must be done and/or covered is only going to increase the n
59 DXing : Here we go again. We've been down this road before, mutiple times, and yet you still choose to write a completely false description of what conservat
60 Post contains links Ken777 : Still waiting to see it deliver noticeably lower costs in Texas. After being in effect for several years now we SHOULD be seeing some savings to moti
61 Continental : Now I don't know a whole lot about health care. Over these past few months, I've been trying to learn as much as I can about the system as it will be
62 Dreadnought : Malpractice insurance represents a large percentage of a doctor's cost of practice, and in some specialties (particularly OB/GYN and Anesthesiology)
63 Slider : Malpractice is a HUGE part of it. And that’s something that even in the context of tort reform, hasn’t been given enough emphasis. The AMA ought
64 DXing : As soon as "all" states have it then it will become noticable. Medical malpractice insurance carriers are not constrained by State lines as are healt
65 Aa757first : I've never heard of a college that you can attend full-time that doesn't require proof of health insurance. If you don't have health insurance, you c
66 Seb146 : That statement makes absolutly no sense whatsoever. They can perform fewer tests and when the patient dies, they can prove that the three tests they
67 DXing : Extra tests ordered that have little to do with the patients condition, but are ordered because some lawyer might make an issue of it are the topic.
68 Ken777 : Sure it will - just look at Texas. if consumers weren't lied to the insurance companies could have cut costs in Texas as a demonstration of how much
69 Slider : Can you parse out causal factor in those costs? Because TX also has a massive illegal alien cost burden with which to contend.
70 Srbmod : Due to the fact that once again, members cannot keep a political thread on topic, this thread is being locked. Instead of focusing on Sen. Snowe, some
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