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F1 2009: Brazilian GP  
User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2827 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3688 times:

Hello F1 nuts,

Since the Brazilian GP is (already) taking place this week-end, it was time someone created a new thread  Smile

A driver will make his debut: Kamui Kobayashi. He will replace Timo Glock who is still recovering from his accident in Suzuka. Kobayashi is the current Toyota test driver, so he knows the car already. Let's see what he can do among the big cats.

It is also Barichello's home GP! He is still running for the WDC title and I would bet he will do his utmost to win - at last - his home GP and why not closing in his teammate.

There's been always plenty of stuff happening in Brazil, so let's hope this edition will follow the same trend  Smile


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User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3676 times:



Quoting GrahamHill (Thread starter):
Kobayashi is the current Toyota test driver, so he knows the car already

The same was said about Badoer. Big grin

Quoting GrahamHill (Thread starter):
It is also Barichello's home GP

He would for sure be able to win it, and racing in front of his home crowd gives him lots of extra support and motivation. Would be good if he wins it cause it would then really be a battle down to the last race.
Button can actually afford to score zero now, and still wrap it up in Abu Dhabi. Not what he is aiming for, one would guess.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10901 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3662 times:

I think Rubens can win this one... although I would rather have Hammy as the big winner!

I will be happy to see two Japanese racing in this GP. Kazuki Nakajima and Kamui Kobayashi.

http://www.kazuki-nakajima.com/

http://www.toyota-f1.com/en/index.html

I am not sure how well they will do though... Can't be worse than Badoer.  laughing 



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User currently offlineCodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3653 times:



Quoting Sudden (Reply 1):
He would for sure be able to win it, and racing in front of his home crowd gives him lots of extra support and motivation. Would be good if he wins it cause it would then really be a battle down to the last race.
Button can actually afford to score zero now, and still wrap it up in Abu Dhabi. Not what he is aiming for, one would guess.

If he wants the WDC, he should do a Heidfeld ie. just drive for the points or finish as close to Barichello as possible, at least Vettel will be without chances for the last race.

KS/codeshare



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User currently offlineScrubbsYWG From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 1495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3637 times:

Ok everyone. I know this isn't the Italian GP thread, but i figured everyone who would want to see these would visit this thread so here goes.

As most of you remember, i attended the Italian GP in September. I have posted a few images below, and also provided the links to a couple flickr albums where you can look through them(remember to click all sizes to see the bigger pictures). I also shot some videos(not well though) so i uploaded those to youtube. Enjoy!

Bear with them, i am not a photographer, or a videographer, and i am sure none of these will be making it into autosport anytime soon.

http://i38.tinypic.com/k3420j.jpg
http://i38.tinypic.com/2rddxfb.jpg
http://i34.tinypic.com/2eowopk.jpg


Here are the flickr sets:
Track Walk: http://www.flickr.com/photos/43589692@N04/sets/72157622463586347/
Pit Walk: http://www.flickr.com/photos/43589692@N04/sets/72157622588173370/
Other: http://www.flickr.com/photos/43589692@N04/sets/72157622588180854/


And i have some youtube videos. They are not the greatest, but whatever:
First Corner http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIxN2lnqq-w
Formation Lap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOL2gLsYjnY
Porsche Supercup Spin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-M_k8JJXZU
First Corner GP2 Race: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj9V7Se1qOk
Practice Starts during Friday Practice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfwNNcN2nfw
Force India Pitstop Practice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI1W1lRy7ck
Force India Pitstop Practice 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_PejLDofjw

I have some more, but these were the best, and I maxed out my flickr.

ENJOY!


User currently offlineScrubbsYWG From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 1495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3632 times:

i found another thing that is not brazil related.

youtube video of onboard laps of the abu dhabi cicuit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikvjwBEYk50&feature=player_embedded


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2827 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3612 times:



Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 4):
Here are the flickr sets:

Thanks a lot, Scrubbs! The old circuit is really impressive. I've been once to a place in England (not too far away from London) where there was a banked circuit like this and it was extremely difficult to reach the top, as it was very steep. I guess the same goes for Montlhéry. These banked circuits are really impressive!



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User currently offlineLapper From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 1565 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3609 times:



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 6):
I've been once to a place in England (not too far away from London)

Was it Brand's Hatch?


User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5704 posts, RR: 44
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3608 times:
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Quoting Lapper (Reply 7):
Was it Brand's Hatch?

I am guessing Brooklands.

Cheers



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2827 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3606 times:



Quoting Lapper (Reply 7):
Was it Brand's Hatch?

No, but I would have liked to go there! I love Brands Hatch!

Quoting Lapper (Reply 7):
I am guessing Brooklands.

I can't remember. That was almost 10 years ago. The banked circuit is not in use anymore. We've been there to visit a racing car museum. I'll try to find the name/location and get back to you.

I'll always remember an Englishman coming to us during the visit and asking if we were French. He then talked about how sad he was that Montlhéry was not existing anymore, that he has been there for the 1,000 km of Paris and how great this track was (which, in all fairness, is true) and started to tell us a lot about this track. We were all amazed (in the positive way  Smile)



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12571 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3598 times:
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Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 9):
The banked circuit is not in use anymore.

Almost certainly Brooklands.

Part of the old track can still be seen every evening as I travel home on the train. Most of it has gone now though and what remains is slowly disappearing as development continues. Mercedes has a big facility there and, of interest given this site, Brooklands Museum with several '60s vintage airliners (Concorde, VC-10, Viscount, BAC 1-11, Vanguard) is just next door.

Brooklands Museum
http://www.brooklandsmuseum.com/

M-B
http://www2.mercedes-benz.co.uk/cont...pc_mercedes_benz_brooklands_181108



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User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3588 times:



Quoting Sudden (Reply 1):
The same was said about Badoer.

At least Kobayashi can be excused seeing as it was his first time. Badoer was rubbish back in 1999 when he last had a race contract and, as we all know, is still rubbish ten years later.

I wouldn't mind betting that Kobayashi could drive the F60 better than Badoer could. Big grin  duck 


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2827 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3581 times:



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 10):
Brooklands Museum

Yes, that's the one! Thanks for the link, Scbriml. I remember now.

StealthZ, how on Earth could you possibly guess it was Brooklands?  Smile Have you been there already?

A shame I did not have any camera at that time. There were some fine pieces of engineering to take in picture.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10901 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3562 times:

I am having a bit of trouble with the schedules. Is this UK time?
What time will the Sunday GP itself start? I would not want to miss out because of the time difference.

2009 BRAZILIAN GRAND PRIX
Friday 16th October
10:00 – 11:30 Formula One Practice Session 1
14:00 – 15:30 Formula One Practice Session 2
15:40-16:15 Porsche Cup free practice
16:25-17:00 Porsche Cup Light free practice
17:25-17:55 Support event free practice

Saturday 17th October
11:00 – 12:00 Formula One Practice Session 3
14:00-15:00 Formula 1 qualifying
15:10-15:45 Porsche Cup qualifying
16:00-16:35 Porsche Cup Light qualifying
16:50-17:20 Support event qualifying

Sunday 18th October
09:05-09:35 Support event race
09:50-10:25 Porsche Cup Light race
10:35-11:10 Porsche Cup race
14:00 Brazilian Grand Prix (71 laps)

TV SCHEDULE - BBC One (BST)
Saturday 17 October
17:15 Qualifying Live

Sunday 18 October
16:00 Live Race
21:00 Highlights (BBC Three)


 Confused



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User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5704 posts, RR: 44
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3555 times:
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Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 12):
StealthZ, how on Earth could you possibly guess it was Brooklands? Have you been there already?

Not been there but steep banked tracks were not that common in Britain and Brooklands is the only one I know of that has enough remaining (and a museum) to be worth visiting.

Cheers



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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3554 times:

M.C.

I believe you are +5 from the Local Time.

Adjusted for your time zone....

2009 BRAZILIAN GRAND PRIX
Friday 16th October
15:00 – 16:30 Formula One Practice Session 1
19:00 – 20:30 Formula One Practice Session 2
20:40 - 21:15 Porsche Cup free practice
21:25 - 22:00 Porsche Cup Light free practice
22:25 - 22:55 Support event free practice

Saturday 17th October
16:00 – 17:00 Formula One Practice Session 3
19:00 - 20:00 Formula 1 qualifying
20:10 - 20:45 Porsche Cup qualifying
21:00 - 21:35 Porsche Cup Light qualifying
21:50 - 22:20 Support event qualifying

Sunday 18th October
14:05 - 14:35 Support event race
14:50 - 15:25 Porsche Cup Light race
15:35 - 16:10 Porsche Cup race
19:00 Brazilian Grand Prix (71 laps)

To double check these times, I suggest you go to www.f1.com and on the right side of the main page you will see the schedule, underneath, you can click on "Convert to My Local Time" and it should be correct.


User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3540 times:



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 15):
I believe you are +5 from the Local Time.

Those times are correct indeed.

MadameC,
On F1.com on the right hand side of the start page, you are able to convert the times so that they match with your location. Just a tip.  Wink

Aim for the sky!
Sudden



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10901 posts, RR: 37
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3538 times:

Thank you two for your help. Only two GPs left.  crying  I don't want to miss out on any minute of racing!  airplane 

Go Hammy!!  angel 

Go Kobayashi!! Go Nakajima!!  cheerful 



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User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3518 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 13):
TV SCHEDULE - BBC One (BST)
Saturday 17 October
17:15 Qualifying Live

Sunday 18 October
16:00 Live Race
21:00 Highlights (BBC Three)

- Does anyone know if SpeedTV in The States is going to broadcast these events live or not? I sure hope so, I am off Saturday night and would love to watch qualifying!

David

- I have always liked Rubens both personally and as a driver. I wish him well.



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User currently offlineScrubbsywg From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 1495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3517 times:



Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 18):
Does anyone know if SpeedTV in The States is going to broadcast these events live or not? I sure hope so, I am off Saturday night and would love to watch qualifying!

qualifying is at noon central(north american) time on saturday.


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3514 times:



Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 4):
As most of you remember, i attended the Italian GP in September.

Not really as I was in Germany at that point, missing the Italian and Belgian grand prix. Hopefully you've seen my pictures of the Singapore race in the Japan thread.

Quoting GrahamHill (Thread starter):
It is also Barichello's home GP! He is still running for the WDC title and I would bet he will do his utmost to win - at last - his home GP and why not closing in his teammate.

Well the pressure really is on Vettel and Barrichello to finish ahead of Button and make sure that he's not on the podium. Otherwise it's game over.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10901 posts, RR: 37
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3512 times:



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 20):
the pressure really is on Vettel and Barrichello

1. Hamilton
2. Vettel
3. Barrichello

As long as Hammy is on the highest step on the podium.  angel 
He will not be under pressure for the world title this year so he will be relaxed and as long as the car responds properrly I believe he can win Brazil... and Abu Dhabi too!!

Go Hammy!!!!  airplane   airplane   cheerful   airplane   airplane 



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3511 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 21):

As long as Hammy is on the highest step on the podium.

Well a Hamilton win will do McLaren a lot of good as it would move them ahead of Ferrari in the constructors race.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10901 posts, RR: 37
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3508 times:



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 22):
a Hamilton win will do McLaren a lot of good

He would no doubt win the world title again this year if McLaren would have provided him with a perfect car right from the start. I find it is still not good as it is now. They better improve it!

Go Hammy!!!  airplane   airplane   cheerful   airplane   airplane 



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3506 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 23):
He would no doubt win the world title again this year if McLaren would have provided him with a perfect car right from the start. I find it is still not good as it is now. They better improve it!

And if they'd done that he wouldn't have won it last year. McLaren have openly admitted that their push for the title last year cost them resources to create a championship winner this year.


25 Sudden : The pressure is just as big on Button to keep the other 2 behind him. None of the 3 are in a real nice and relaxed position at the moment, and from n
26 GrahamHill : For Button, it would be good to win this one. 1) of course because it would give him the title and 2) because people would not argue that he won his t
27 MadameConcorde : I would much rather see Rubens with the World Title rather than Jenson Button. He deserves it. He is an oldie with a brilliant career behind him. It m
28 Sudden : Rubens had to fall in line behind Schumi for several years, so never really got the chance to show who he was. After that he was in a less competitiv
29 Cornish : I'm going for a Hamilton win this weekend - especially if he ends up on the front row. The Sao Paulo track is hot and at relatively high altitude coma
30 EZEIZA : Well, Kimi could say the same too. If Ferrari would have provided a decent car then he might be up there too. I want Rubens to win too. Nothing again
31 MadameConcorde : Hammy is doing really well. He is the best time so far. They are really fast today! Rubens is doing good too. Rain is threatening. Update: wet track.
32 BlueElephant : I also wish for him to win the WDC, he totally deserves it. I don't hate Jenson Button, he was just never a driver that...stuck out and really deserv
33 MadameConcorde : Rubens is doing really well. There's been some action today. Not a dull moment. First race for Kobayashi yet he has two behind him! Not so bad for a f
34 GrahamHill : It's a track that I always enjoyed on the Playstation
35 MadameConcorde : The PlayStation and the real world are two totally different things. The Interlagos track needs some serious revamping. The drivers have to drive on
36 GrahamHill : Really? I'll sue Electronic Arts, then. They lied to me! Not to mention heavy traffic to access it and the dangerosity of the place (in 2006, some To
37 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Abu Dhabi will be a lot safer no doubt. Just think the number of private luxury yachts that will be moored around the track (much more so than in Mon
38 Sudden : I said it before, but Button has a very boring driving style. He's not taking any risks at all. He is not an aggressive driver that is fun to watch.
39 EZEIZA : I was lucky enough to attend the Brazil GP sevral times at Interlagos and although it's not Montecarlo, I didn't find the area particularly dangerous
40 MadameConcorde : The safety car came out at the end of Q2 I could not figure out why. I agree. Interlagos is a difficult and dangerous track that definitely needs som
41 Sudden : I think you are confusing yourself now MC. Q2 will happen tomorrow first, but practise session 2 might have brought out the SC. Aim for the sky! Sudd
42 MadameConcorde : You are absolutely right. I am getting my Q's all mixed up. Today was all Q1 of course. I must be tired.
43 Bill142 : I think you need to replace Q with P. This brings a whole new meaning to watching your P's and Q's. No they're not!! Zombies exist in real life right
44 Waterpolodan : P2 might be the first session I can ever recall seeing in my entire time watching F1 where the whole field was covered by less than a second, it's alw
45 MadameConcorde : Did not find any Internet livecast of the last practice session anywhere. I had to follow it by text. Hammy is cauliflowers in 17th place and Kobayash
46 Cpd : Come on Rubinho! You can win the race.
47 GrahamHill : Apparently, this session lasted only 18 minutes because of the poor weather. I don't know if we can draw any conclusions from it.
48 Sudden : Like Bill142 and myself told you earlier, this is practise and not qualifying. You need to change your Q to a P. Q1-Q3 is to take place in 71 minutes
49 Post contains links Boeing74741R : The BBC's Jonathan Legard rates the chances of Barrichello, Button and Vettel... http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanl...button-barrichello-and-vettel.
50 MadameConcorde : Found a live feed. It looks like pouring down rain. This is going to be rather complicated in this weather. Let's see... it will be interesting! Saw F
51 Post contains images GrahamHill : Vettel, Kova and Hamilton have not made it to Q2... Weather conditions are catastrophic at the moment! Edit: Q2 delayed until the weather gets better
52 MadameConcorde : Unusual qualif. All these drivers out, among which the two McLarens and Sebastian Vettel. The weather where I am is disastrous too. A huge rain storm
53 GrahamHill : Big crash for Liuzzi. Red flag!
54 MadameConcorde : He destroyed the car! I hope he is OK. I can't understand how they can keep racing... Nakajima also had his spin and recooped the car. Good on him. T
55 Sudden : Not sure if anyone heard/saw the interview with Fisi. He really made use of the weather to cover up that he screwed up, again. He's one of the oldest
56 GrahamHill : Or maybe the F60 is just plain crap
57 MadameConcorde : I would like to have that little "medical" Mercedes for my own toy. It looks so fast... or even the safety car... it would be even nicer!! They say th
58 EZEIZA : What happes if the Q is finally suspended? Do they resume tomorrow before the race or do they keep the Q1 results and start the race in those position
59 Sudden : Then it's pretty strange that Kimi is currently in P2, and have scored several podiums lately. I just find that Fisi should be able to perform much b
60 Boeing74741R : Didn't he win the Brazilian Grand Prix a few years back in the wet? The one where Kimi was wrongly awarded the win but later awarded to Fisi retrospe
61 MadameConcorde : I had a power cut due to the storm that is hitting the area. I have totally lost track of what is happening at Interlagos as the power cut lasted a wh
62 Sudden : Don't get me wrong here guys, cause it must have been very very difficult to drive in these conditions today. But I find the hype around Fisi to not
63 MadameConcorde : The Brazilians must be happy to see Rubens getting the pole on his own grounds at home. Kobayashi is not doing so bad in a first race. This young boy
64 PPVRA : Interlagos (name of the neighborhood area, not just the race track) isn't so bad as far as violence/safety goes. Hardly great, but there are much wor
65 Springbok747 : Wohoo go Rubens! He totally deserves the title, unlike Button. Not gonna happen. Ferrari may well lose that 3rd spot in the constructors to McLaren. F
66 MadameConcorde : I will be happy if Rubens wins the world title today at home in Brazil. Ayrton Senna will be smiling from his place in the sky. As to Fisi, I thought
67 Bill142 : Which he wont. The points gap is 14 to Button. Button will still lead by 4 points if Rubens wins and Jenson finishes out of the points. Raikkonen is
68 CXB77L : He won't, though. Even if he wins the race and Button scores 0, he'll still be behind Button on points. What it does, though, is to make the race to
69 GrahamHill : Yesterday were the longest qualifications in F1's history: 2 hours and 43 minutes! Let's hope the weather will be nicer for the race!
70 MadameConcorde : I would prefer if the race happens in bad weather like yesterday's qualiyings. We will have plenty of other races with boring dry weather. There shou
71 Sudden : You want rain cause you then think that Hamilton will do good. That will not happen cause Mclaren have their cars set up for dry conditions. This is
72 GrahamHill : I don't mind a race in the rain. What I mind is that if the weather is like yesterday, then we might have a GP truncated by red flags and ending up l
73 BlueElephant : A very crazy start, Trulli was yelling at Sutil but Trulli totally at fault tin that one. Hamilton is now in a good position having used the option ty
74 MadameConcorde : OK friends the race has started. I missed the first two minutes -(the actual start) as with the time difference I thought it would start an hour later
75 BlueElephant : I'm intrigued as to why Heikki hasn't received a drive through yet. It happened in the first laps of the race....this is ridiculous! But it looks like
76 Boeing74741R : Caused by Lewis Hamilton's slipstreaming overtaking manoeuvre, and it also damaged Lewis's wing. No doubt a police escort for Lewis Hamilton will be
77 MadameConcorde : Yep Button has won the WDC title this year. I wonder if Hammy will be displaced for clipping Ruben's car. Rain is coming...
78 BlueElephant : Congrats to Button! I thought it was a very good drive to me....surely more convincing then all the others. Now if only he drove like this EVERY race,
79 MadameConcorde : 1838: And I almost forgot: BRAWN ARE THE 2009 CONSTRUCTORS CHAMPIONS 1836: Button takes both hands off the wheel and punches the air in abandoned deli
80 T1210s : yeah well done to button i suppose but seriously how lucky can someone be yeah i wouldn't want to be in his shoes trying to get back to the airport
81 MadameConcorde : Poor Sebastian Vettel poor boy was crying...
82 Boeing74741R : Luck can also be applied to Hamilton. If it wasn't for the rain slowing Timo Glock down it would've been Massa who would be champion, and of course,
83 GrahamHill : Congratulations to Button!! Honestly I thought that he could never become world champion, after all these years without doing anything (or so few). Be
84 MadameConcorde : From 18 to 3 isn't bad. My prediction was right. He made the podium. Not Vettel unfortunately. I know there was the clipping but that's racing I supp
85 NA : Congratulations to Jenson Button, Ross Brawn and Mark Webber. And for a change it was an interesting race again, especially due to the irreverent perf
86 Sudden : Congrats to Button! The way he was attacking today was just brilliant to see, and he surely deserves the crown with todays drive. Congrats to Brawn GB
87 Codeshare : Finally over. Congrats to JB WDC He did the Heidfeld, and a fantastic battle with Kobayashi (a nice drive, maybe that Nakajima thing didn't go right,
88 MadameConcorde : I am now an official member of the Kobayashi fan club! Hammy did well going from 18 to third place on the podium. I knew he would do it. Abu Dhabi? I
89 Scbriml : Congratulations to Jensen Button! Congratulations to Brawn GP. Nice to have two consecutive English WDCs! IMHO, a worthy champion in this somewhat aty
90 Codeshare : Excuse moi, Madame, but I'd like to see Kubica take a win there Ah, nevermind, just finish it in the points. Perhaps Koba won a drive for next year ?
91 Scbriml : Yes, he was very lucky to win twice as many races as anyone else.
92 Cpd : Way to go JB and Brawn! I'll bet, with the supposed number two driver Webber getting another win. And losing the championship too.
93 Post contains links EZEIZA : I just saw the race, yes, several hours later but I had a complicated sunday being mothers' day in Argentina Congrats to Button, it's not easy to beco
94 ScrubbsYWG : well, what can i say? we didnt have a very close finish this year unlike the past few. However, i cannot understand how people say button is an undese
95 LTU932 : I bet there are people in Brazil who'd crucify Bernie on for this. Yet again proof that Bernie is going senile and desperately needs to be SACKED!
96 Bill142 : Well.. You wouldn't want to be a Honda executive right now. This could have been a Honda championship win, but it goes to Brawn, Mercedes and Button.
97 Sudden : Damn right! Brawn can take the credit for all this cause without his knowledge this would never become reality. By the way, Trulli lost the little re
98 T1210s : i was only on about this particular race where button starts in an impossible position there's a big crash and a safety car on the first lap taking o
99 GrahamHill : Sweet Jesus... Senile, that's the perfect word to describe this guy. It's important that someone replaces him ASAP. But they would have had a Honda e
100 Madameconcorde : Is this because of Hammy clipping Rubens's car? This is a hefty fine! As to Honda winning the wold constructor's title as they were last year, I doub
101 Bill142 : No it was for the unsafe release of Kovalinenes car. Why else would Kovalinen get a 25 second penalty? That is a fair point. I think Honda would have
102 StealthZ : I believe it is for Kovalainen's unsafe pit release resulting in char broiled Kimi. From the last figures I read.. about the cost of 20 laps of a typ
103 Bill142 : And given that McLaren have forked out 100 Million in fines before, 50K is small change.
104 Tiger119 : - The reasons for Bernie needing to leave just keep mounting. I lost all respect I did have for him (which really was not all that high to begin with
105 EZEIZA : no, it's for Kovalainen trying to make a BBQ out of Kimi
106 Boeing74741R : At least Canada is returning next year. The US Grand Prix didn't really recover after Michelin bodged the 2005 race with unsafe tyres, which is a sha
107 GrahamHill : Indeed. Honda's engines in the past couple of years were underpowered compared to the competitors. We will never know if this year would have been th
108 MadameConcorde : Just posted on FOFA's Facebook page: FOFA The morning after... So the season is more or less over, doesn't look like Abu Dhabi is gonna be any differe
109 Post contains links GrahamHill : Williams to use Cosworth engines in 2010: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79615
110 Waterpolodan : Amazing, Cosworth goes from being dropped by Williams and having no presence in the sport to powering 8 cars overnight! Hope their new engine is good.
111 Sudden : hahahaha........good one! I bet that's just how Mclaren sees it. Button didn't get much time to celebrate in Sao Paulo cause today they had promotion
112 Bill142 : I thought the regulations only allowed an engine supplier to supply three teams. This would mean six cars. I believe this is hindering RBR getting Me
113 Cpd : Now I've read about the race, I can't wait to actually see the replay tonight. I didn't watch it live or record it... Oh dear... Recipe for fires, eng
114 Post contains links Bill142 : Looks like Toyota have made an off to Raikkonen, and surprisingly Trulli. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8315434.stm
115 MadameConcorde : Toyota should take Kobayashi. He is a very promising young driver. I dream of a Taku/Kamui duet... with a Japanese car, of course! So how many "new" t
116 Waterpolodan : Well, it's Manor, Campos, USF1, and Lotus, plus possibly Sauber if the other teams agree unanimously to allow them to rejoin the grid under the leader
117 MadameConcorde : I hope all these new teams have got proper sponsors lined up and taking action in these dire economic times we are living in. Any idea of who these te
118 Cpd : If Sauber should come back, and, if Peter Sauber is at the helm of that team again, they should be fairly solid. He was always one of the smarter ope
119 Bill142 : Sauber already have an agreement in place with Ferrari for engine supply. But the rules only allows for the supply of 3 teams. So someone is going to
120 GrahamHill : I still believed that Williams should have got the Renault engine. But they might have not had the budget for it
121 StealthZ : Actually the 2010 rules say a Manufacturer may only supply 2 teams without the FIA permission, that doesn't seem to have been much of an obstacle thu
122 GrahamHill : That's a good question, but I would think that the first assumption is the correct one.
123 StealthZ : F1 trivia!! F1 is not a sport given to useless trivia but here is a tidbit attributed to GrandPrix.com Cheers
124 Sudden : They should really not! Why? If Toyota is ever to make use of their budget and win any WDC/WCC, they need a driver who is not only happy to have made
125 Cpd : Actually, I think it might have originated from Norbert Haug, the Mercedes Benz motorsport guy. Neat bit of trivia though, whoever came up with it. A
126 GrahamHill : Jackie Stewart and James Hunt in the 70s, if my memory serves me well. I can't remember the exat years, though.
127 T1210s : Graham Hill 1962 Jim Clark 1963 John Surtees 1964 then back to Jim Clark for 1965 also Graham Hill 1968 And Jackie Stewart 1969
128 GrahamHill : Thanks for the accurate data, T1210s! So I was wrong. Jackie won his last title in 1973 and James Hunt in 1976.
129 MadameConcorde : I remember all that... I was "hooked" from a young age! That and planes too. I am definitely "Concorde generation"! I guess it was all about speed.
130 Post contains links Sudden : To join MC in her prayings about Kobayashi, I just want to add that this guy surely showed that he knows what he is doing. He was a bit wild and chang
131 MadameConcorde : Oh I kept watching the young genius while he was holding Button in the back. It was great! You bet! Give Kobayashi a good car and he will soon be on
132 Sudden : Has not been made official yet. My bet is Mclaren or no team at all. If Toyota looks good on paper for next year....who knows. Well, Ferrari brought
133 EZEIZA : considering the car he drove, I think he did ok, scoring several podiums, and even winnign a race. In fact, he probably would have been in the podium
134 MadameConcorde : As a total newbie Kobayashi certainly fared much better at Interlagos than Algersuary or Romain Slowjean. I hope the constructors/teams will take note
135 Waterpolodan : They'll be fine, in 2006 when the V8s were first introduced they initially had the best and highest revving engine in the field. Rosberg had fastest
136 Post contains links Sudden : And here it is, Toyota considering Kobayashi for 2010 http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79656 It looks like Toyota will not be able to pay R
137 GrahamHill : No kidding? They said they would make big cuts in their budget, so it would have been weird to hire the most expensive driver!
138 Sudden : I missed that part actually. I wonder how much they actually offered him. Damn, Raikkonen gets 25 million from Ferrari in addition to the salary he w
139 StealthZ : I think you you are doing Rubens & Mark a diservice here. Kimi & Lewis are indeed competing for 5th & 6th place in the WDC not 3rd Cheers
140 Sudden : Oops, my bad. I was reffering to the WCC. Aim for the sky! Sudden
141 StealthZ : Then that would ve Ferrari V McLaren rather than Kimi V Lewis. It is conceivable that the points needed to make the difference could come from their
142 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Want to buy Jenson Button's Bugatti Veyron? A luxury car previously owned by new Formula 1 world champion Jenson Button is up for sale for almost £90
143 Sudden : Actually not as both Lewis and Kimi are the ones bringing the points in for the team. Their team mates or not really doing much in regards to that. A
144 MadameConcorde : From FOFA FB page. "While I was spilling hot coffee on my expensive D&G jeans this morning I suddenly realized it's election day tomorrow at the FIA H
145 StealthZ : Oh, I know that hence the second part of my quote. As many of us do but I think the rampant partisanship, nepotism and plain corruption of the ASCs a
146 StealthZ : This might actually be part of the "official Off Season F1" thread... Does this mean I get a refund on my deposit for hotel bookings in the principali
147 GrahamHill : Today the FIA vote for their next president. So, who will it be? Ari or Jean? I would like Ari, but the FIA being a mafia, Todt will be elected comfor
148 StealthZ : Result is expected about lunchtime and you will know better than I do what time that might be in Paris. Like many fans I would like to see Ari win bu
149 MadameConcorde : 11.26 right now almost mid-day. We should find out soon. I must go chasing after the news. I wish on Vatanen by all means but...
150 GrahamHill : I can see we all share the same opinion Votes began at 9.30 AM, Paris time. I don't know when exactly we will know the results.
151 Post contains links MadameConcorde : We will find out the result some time this afternoon (CET). http://www.france-info.com/sport-spo...isit-un-nouveau-359570-27-374.html
152 Cpd : Never mind the appeal, just take it to Ehra Lessien in Germany and open the taps to the 1001 setting. Not too much else compares. I'd take one if it
153 StealthZ : Jean Todt, Prior to being elected to President of the FIA(as is fairly likely) he is President of the FIA eSafetyAware project... his fiance Michelle
154 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : The news is just published. Jean Todt is designated as the new President of the FIA. Oh... disgrace!!!       http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motors
155 Post contains links MadameConcorde : New world champion Jenson Button has emerged as a contender to join Lewis Hamilton in what would be a mouth-watering line-up at McLaren in 2010. http:
156 StealthZ : Another fine sport sold down the drain by self interest and corruption... Time to take up Lawn Bowls perhaps!
157 MadameConcorde : It's Max and Bernie all over again, only they will be in the background.
158 StealthZ : There are lots of ways to read this. Perhaps Button is trying to get Brawn to up their offer. Perhaps McLaren are trying to convince Kimi that he is
159 Boeing74741R : Whether they take on Button or Raikkonen, all I will say is that McLaren had better have learnt their lesson from 2007 after their shoddy handling of
160 EZEIZA : it can't be that bad! Since there's nothing we can do about it, let's wait and see how he does for the first few months before judging him. Maybe he'
161 Waterpolodan : I think Button and Hamilton would be a fascinating pairing at Mclaren, Button would probably not outqualify Lewis very often but he would be an even m
162 GrahamHill : This "election" is a joke. It's like a dictature where everyone knows already who is going to win. I'm pessimistic for the future.
163 Post contains links BlueElephant : You feel McLaren and Ron Dennis cheated, in the 2007 scandal. Here's a question for you. How would you feel in Ron Dennis was nominated FIA President
164 GrahamHill : Of course, he was the president of Ferrari. He is your ally!
165 Sudden : Well, I had my hopes set on Vatanen, like most of us. Now we can only lean back and see what will happen. One can only hope that Todt will not add ext
166 Boeing74741R : " target=_blank>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yHPQ...OziDw That was back in 2001 when team orders were legal. It was the identical incident that to
167 Scbriml : NOOOOOOOO! As an Englishman I would love to see Button and Hamilton driving for McLaren. However, I suspect it's a negotiating ploy by Button.
168 EZEIZA : wait, it was Mcl that stole the info, not the other way round it was legal according to the regulations, so where's the issue? and the biggest scanda
169 GrahamHill : You will never get rif of these accusations, won't you? Indeed. I remember in 1998 when McLaren, fully aware of their potentials, qualified 1-2 with
170 StealthZ : Stick to the facts... and you know that isn't one of them. Do we need to list the Ferrari "issues" that they got away with under JT's watch? Not real
171 Sudden : Both Mclaren and Ferrari are guilty of stunts pulled in the past, but the major difference now is that Ron Dennis is not in a position to actually be
172 EZEIZA : Please do, but also list all of the stuff the rest got away with, during and after JT. Hell, Renault crashed their car on purpose and they got NOTHIN
173 Bill142 : And we all know it was because of back room shenanigans that they got away with it. We all know that the actions of Renault were significantly worse
174 Sudden : I still find it a big shame that the break away didn't happen. Lets put Vatanen in the "driver seat" of a break away F1 serie. With him running it, i
175 Post contains links MadameConcorde : I was hoping for this with the creation of FOFA but it did not happen. The latest from Bernie... Looks like he wants to get rid of the British Grand
176 Post contains links Sudden : Hm, Mclaren not interested in a bidding war when looking for a driver. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79720 Moi then wonder what the best
177 Boeing74741R : I am in two minds over this. It winds me up that Silverstone comes across (in my opinion) as a track where they think it's their right to hold a Gran
178 Bill142 : He's wanted to do that for years. There's nothing new about it. It's really stupid as well, given that the majority of F1 teams are based in the UK.
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