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Buick Revives Regal Sedan - Based On Opel Insignia  
User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4200 times:

Buick has announced its next vehicle will be the Opel Insignia-based "Regal" sedan.

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2010 Buick Regal sedan



With the death of Saturn's Aura model (and all of its models because the brand has been axed by the "new" General Motors, along with Pontiac) Buick is expected to get a Opel Insignia based 4-door sedan - the car will be named the Regal. A version of the Regal, already branded is currently on sale in the Chinese market. Like the new LaCrosse, the Regal will be based on the Epsilon II front-wheel-drive platform, though the Regal will be positioned just below the LaCrosse by forgoing some of the more premium elements of the sleek-looking LaCrosse.

The Regal will be about four inches shorter in wheelbase than the LaCrosse, and about seven inches shorter in overall length. Powertrain offerings will likely stick to the 180-horsepower, 2.4-liter four-cylinder, with a possible optional engine upgrade to the 3.0-liter V-6 also found in the base version of the LaCrosse, leaving the upmarket models of the LaCrosse with a further step above the Regal in the form of the 3.6-liter V-6 with Direct Injection. No word yet on transmission choices, but I assume that the 5 and/or 6 speed automatic transmissions would be the obvious choices for this Buick.

Source:http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-regal.html


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User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4681 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4180 times:

Cool! Will there be a NASCAR version?


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User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4122 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
Buick has announced its next vehicle will be the Opel Insignia-based "Regal" sedan.

I've seen the Insignia in the flesh and it's a beautiful car with some interesting lines and a high quality, stylish interior. If they combine its modern lines with the classic name of Regal then Buick might have a winner here...

...but I wonder if they will be able to differentiate enough between their THREE similarly styled sedans, Regal, Lacrosse, and Lucerne. The Regal and the Lacrosse are much closer than the Lacrosse and Lucerne so I can see some buyers either getting confused by the two offerings or opting for the cheaper saloon seeing the larger offering as not being "premium" enough. If I were at the helm at Buick I would keep the larger cars as saloons only and turn the Regal into a full family of saloon, premium hatch, a station wagon, and perhaps even a coupe/convertible.


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6484 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4116 times:

This isn't really news though. Buick has offered the Regal and Century side-by-side during the 1990s, and they were essentially the same car. Oldsmobile was notorious for it.


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User currently offlineSCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5509 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4102 times:

Nice lookin' buggy.

I like both the LaCrosse and the Lucerne.

My Deville is, however, paid-for and likely to stay that way, and runs supremely at 103,000 miles, so I intend to keep it to 200,000 miles or so.



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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7776 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4078 times:



Quoting Charles79 (Reply 2):
.but I wonder if they will be able to differentiate enough between their THREE similarly styled sedans, Regal, Lacrosse, and Lucerne.

I think it will work. Largely because it seems like the Regal will be positioned as a more sporty model vs. the LaCrosse... which has no sporting intentions. Additionally the LaCrosse is almost a full-sizer, pretty close in size to the new Taurus, whereas the Regal is a true midsizer. As for the Lucerne I wouldn't worry about much confusion there. As it stands now it will continue to serve the needs of the more traditional Buick driver and be the luxury sedan upgrade at the Hertz counter. I have not read anything firm about what GM will do to replace the large FWD sedans (DTS and Lucerne).

Lexus has show having two similar cars at the same price point can work.... see the ES and IS. While not platform mates (IS is RWD, ES is FWD) the sit around the same price point but occupy different market niches. And both sell over 100k a year.




Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
Powertrain offerings will likely stick to the 180-horsepower, 2.4-liter four-cylinder, with a possible optional engine upgrade to the 3.0-liter V-6 also found in the base version of the LaCrosse, leaving the upmarket models of the LaCrosse with a further step above the Regal in the form of the 3.6-liter V-6 with Direct Injection. No word yet on transmission choices, but I assume that the 5 and/or 6 speed automatic transmissions would be the obvious choices for this Buick.

As everything else that is new from GM has the 6-speed Hyrdomatic, the Regal will most certainly get it as well. Some rumors have said that the base model LaCrosse may get the 2.4DI 4-cylinder. This paired with the 6-speed auto has turned out some pretty impressive fuel economy numbers which may resonate with buyers. I would assume the Regal will get both the 2.4DI 4-cylinder and 3.0DI HF V6. If a performance version does materialize I would expect at least the 2.8T HF V6 or perhaps a version of the Ecotec Turbo.



Really good product like this, and the new Taurus from Ford, makes me confident that at least two of the Big 3 will survive and prosper in the next decade. Question is will it attract enough of the mindless appliance driving drones away from the Camcords.



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User currently offlineFlyingwaeldar From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2009, 108 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3986 times:

Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
Powertrain offerings will likely stick to the 180-horsepower, 2.4-liter four-cylinder, with a possible optional engine upgrade to the 3.0-liter V-6 also found in the base version of the LaCrosse, leaving the upmarket models of the LaCrosse with a further step above the Regal in the form of the 3.6-liter V-6 with Direct Injection. No word yet on transmission choices, but I assume that the 5 and/or 6 speed automatic transmissions would be the obvious choices for this Buick.

I assume that these are Buick engines as the choice of petrol engines on the Opel Insiginia in e.g. Austria is as follows:

- 1.6 Ecotec 85kW / 115PS
- 1.8 Ecotec 103kW / 140PS
- 1.6 Turbo Ecotec 132kW / 180PS
- 2.0 Turbo Ecotec 162kW / 220PS
- 2.8 V6 Turbo Ecotec 191kW / 260PS
- 2.8 V6 Turbo Ecotec 239kW / 325PS

And on the gearbox side you can choose between 6-speed manuals and 6-speed automatic (depending on engine) with 4 x 4 option on some models.

Would none of these engines be interesting for the US market? And then for sure you have various Diesel options in Europe as well.

[Edited 2009-10-15 19:41:16]

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3978 times:



Quoting Charles79 (Reply 2):
If I were at the helm at Buick I would keep the larger cars as saloons only and turn the Regal into a full family of saloon, a station wagon, and perhaps even a coupe/ convertible.

 bigthumbsup 

Now you're talking!  yes 
That would be a great idea.



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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7776 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3927 times:



Quoting Flyingwaeldar (Reply 6):
Would none of these engines be interesting for the US market? And then for sure you have various Diesel options in Europe as well.

With the exception of the 2.8T HF V6 in a later arriving performance version it is expected that the US market Regal will see the 2.4L direct injection Ecotec four-cylinder and the 3.0L direct injection HF V6.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3895 times:

Now I wonder if they will put one of those fake convertible roofs on it Big grin

Quoting Flyingwaeldar (Reply 6):
- 2.8 V6 Turbo Ecotec 239kW / 325PS

And on the gearbox side you can choose between 6-speed manuals

This combo would be sexy, but I doubt we ever get that Stateside.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3886 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
Now I wonder if they will put one of those fake convertible roofs on it Big grin

That would be cool too!  Cool



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6484 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3886 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
Now I wonder if they will put one of those fake convertible roofs on it

It makes me ill when I see nice European sports/luxury sedans with a landau top. It's usually a Mercedes-Benz.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3875 times:



Quoting N328KF (Reply 11):
It makes me ill when I see nice European sports/luxury sedans with a landau top. It's usually a Mercedes-Benz.

I've never seen landau roofs on European cars. I only see those on nice American cars.
Buick, Cadillac, Lincoln and Mercury look best with landau tops.
The bubble shaped cars of today don't look right with them.



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User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3871 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
That would be a great idea.

I actually thought that they could have kept the Pontiac G6 convertible alive as a Buick, with some styling updates of course. Maybe it's already in the cards?

Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):

This combo would be sexy, but I doubt we ever get that Stateside.

I agree. I was just checking the new 2010 VW Golf on the VW website and for the US market you can only get the 5-door Golf with the automatic, no manual option even offered (only on the 3-door). The stick shift is truly on its last legs here in the US, unfortunately!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 12):

I've never seen landau roofs on European cars. I only see those on nice American cars.

You should take a trip to South Florida then 'fly. I've seen new Cadillac CTSs, Lexus LS400s, Mercedes-Benz C-Class...even a VW Jetta with a landau roof! If its got 4 wheels and a hard roof, they'll put one of roofs on it!


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3860 times:



Quoting Charles79 (Reply 13):
I actually thought that they could have kept the Pontiac G6 convertible alive as a Buick, with some styling updates of course. Maybe it's already in the cards?

I would certainly hope to see that happen. It would be a shame that GM spent all that time on engineering only to have it scrapped after a few years in production.

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 13):
You should take a trip to South Florida then 'fly. I've seen new Cadillac CTSs, Lexus LS400s, Mercedes-Benz C-Class...even a VW Jetta with a landau roof! If its got 4 wheels and a hard roof, they'll put one of roofs on it!

Interesting. That would look neat on the Cadillac CTS but the others I am not so sure.
I do like the vinyl and cloth roofs on the newer Lincoln Town Cars that I usually see used as hotel courtesy cars. Ideally in black.



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User currently offlineFlyingwaeldar From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2009, 108 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3847 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
Quoting Flyingwaeldar (Reply 6):
- 2.8 V6 Turbo Ecotec 239kW / 325PS

And on the gearbox side you can choose between 6-speed manuals

This combo would be sexy, but I doubt we ever get that Stateside.

This combo is coupled with four-wheel drive and called the OPC version, it's available as a 5-door sedan and station wagon.


User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2603 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3845 times:



Quoting Flyingwaeldar (Reply 15):
This combo is coupled with four-wheel drive and called the OPC version, it's available as a 5-door sedan and station wagon.

1. It's not 4WD, it's AWD (Haldex). Huge difference.

2. Eastern side of the pond only.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3836 times:



Quoting Charles79 (Reply 13):
The stick shift is truly on its last legs here in the US, unfortunately!

Well, I think it has seen a resurgence lately, especially with smaller, more efficient cars being more common now. Also, the BMW M5 got a manual transmission because of the US demand.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8838 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3833 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
Also, the BMW M5 got a manual transmission because of the US demand.

Uh... No. Americans rarely buy stick shifts - too much work. Europeans buy stick shift, even cars worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Specifically about the M5, the only transmission you can get with it is a flappy-paddle sequential manual.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3826 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 18):


Specifically about the M5, the only transmission you can get with it is a flappy-paddle sequential manual.

Incorrect. And it was based on North American demand.

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...d_Specs/M5SedanSpecifications.aspx

http://paultan.org/2006/12/10/e60-bmw-m5-now-with-manual-transmission/

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 18):
Uh... No. Americans rarely buy stick shifts - too much work.

Actually, it is usually more because they just don't know how.



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User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2603 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3826 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 18):
Specifically about the M5, the only transmission you can get with it is a flappy-paddle sequential manual.

...that will get used once in the car's lifetime...then the tranny will go to automatic mode and will stay there forever.

The sequential trannys in high end sport(ish) cars have only one purpose - make them accessible to wealthy customers who otherwise wouldn't be able to drive them.

PS: On other continents (where drivers are actually able to drive not only steer) the M5 is available with 6MT too.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3819 times:



Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 20):

PS: On other continents (where drivers are actually able to drive not only steer) the M5 is available with 6MT too.

Actually, North America was the exclusive domain of the 6MT E60 M5 at first. Not sure if that is still true.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3805 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 18):
Uh... No. Americans rarely buy stick shifts - too much work.

Actually, it is usually more because they just don't know how.

...or we just don't like to waste our time shifting gears.
Sticks-shifts are fun on sports cars, off-road pick-up trucks and makes sense with small econo-cars. Those of us that prefer luxury sedans don't want to be bothered with shifting gears.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8838 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3804 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 22):
Sticks-shifts are fun on sports cars, off-road pick-up trucks and makes sense with small econo-cars. Those of us that prefer luxury sedans don't want to be bothered with shifting gears.

I used to drive a BMW 540i, and I LOVED the 6-speed manual in it.



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User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2433 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3799 times:

It's cool the Regal is being revived, but as a proud former Buick Regal owner, it just won't compared to this family....

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Just when I think you've said the stupidest thing ever, you keep talkin'!
25 N1120A : Sport Sedan is different. Larry likes the kind of cars that indeed used to come with fake soft tops.
26 Post contains images Dreadnought : He said luxury sadans, and the 540 applies. I suppose his preferences are for the category known as 'Land Yachts'. [Edited 2009-10-16 19:37:09]
27 WildcatYXU : That's perfectly OK, but the topic is about a midsize sedan. A sharper version with MT (and perhaps with the Haldex too) could find some customers (c
28 MAH4546 : Europeans would by more automatics if gas wasn't so expensive. In fact, European driving conditions are more preferential for automatics. It's funny
29 N1120A : Neither do Americans these days.
30 WildcatYXU : Or they weren't cheapskates themselves. Where in Europe? In countries I drove in, manual was perfectly OK. When will Europeans stop whining and ask t
31 WildcatYXU : Well, in comparison they do. I visited the old country in August and paid 1.2 Euro per litre of N95. The average income in Slovakia is roughly 700 Eu
32 BMI727 : If Buick is serious about being taken seriously in the States, they'll make the Lucerne RWD. I'm not optimistic though.
33 Superfly : Is there really that much of a difference in mileage between an automatic and manual transmission? That was a phenomenal sports coupe! Keep in mind t
34 Flyingwaeldar : That's a rather broad statement, I would say. I love the automatic transmission on my car here in Hong Kong, but would not have one back home in Aust
35 WildcatYXU : With the small engines used in Europe the difference can be staggering. I was even shocked by the poor fuel economy of Jetta TDi I once rented here,
36 Superfly : No need to be sad. True but with a larger car such as the BMW 540, is there a significant difference in fuel economy with auto vs. MT? One would thin
37 StasisLAX : And the proper name of a upscale Buick coupe/hardtop convertible?? RIVIERA, of course
38 WildcatYXU : Honestly, I have no personal experience. However, according to my former boss, there was little. 535i MT vs 530d AT was an entirely different story t
39 Post contains links StasisLAX : Perhaps named the Regal GS (sports sedan) and Regal Estate Wagon (with all-wheel drive)! Source on high performance version of the new Regal: http://
40 BMI727 : Now that is an idea. Take the Corvette platform, stretch it to squeeze in two more seats, add a nice interior and a V8 and get a nice halo model wort
41 N1120A : The average Slovakian doesn't drive as much either. If you drive correctly, absolutely. That is not a coupe. The only thing coupe-like about the Gran
42 Superfly : I would love to see that comeback as well but not on the current generic rental car designs. Hmmmm , so what is missing that dis-qualifies it as a "c
43 N1120A : Too big. There were a lot of factors that made the Seville not a sports sedan. Soft Caddy seats, soft suspension, FWD, no manual transmission, soft h
44 Superfly : The 1986 Buick Regal GNX was a mid-size car. It was roughly the same length of a current day Honda Accord. That makes the car luxurious. It would cer
45 KiwiRob : If it wasn't for BMW North America there would not be a manual M5. Please explain this statement.
46 Dreadnought : Disagree - more mountainous roads need a better ability for engine braking. Automatics suck at that.
47 WildcatYXU : I'd check the reality before posting that. In the more wealthy areas (like the Bratislava district), people put on their cars quite a mileage. In the
48 Superfly : The proper name for this car if sold in America should be Skylark.
49 A342 : Now that's splitting hairs. No car (not trucks!) on the market today has a lock-up transfer case without a center differential, which seems to be the
50 PC12Fan : Best number I read was a 4.5 in the quarter mile. Not exactly running away from it. Not bad for something with four less cylinders.
51 PC12Fan : Dang brain farts. Obviously I meant 0-60.
52 StasisLAX : I'm hoping for Centurion or Invicta for this model's nameplate!!!
53 Superfly : Centurion was also a full-size. Same car as the Wildcat.
54 N1120A : Not sporty, especially with those too soft seats.
55 Flyingwaeldar : My friends Citroen 2CV has soft seat, soft suspension and soft handling (if you can call it handling at all), but all of that doesn't make it luxurio
56 Superfly : I am familiar with those cars and they are not luxury cars. The Buick and Cadillac sedans are.
57 Flyingwaeldar : They are definitely luxury cars, but I'm with N1120A that this all around softness disqualifies them as sport sedans. A sport sedan should not only b
58 Superfly : So are you talking about a luxury sedan or a sports sedan?
59 Flyingwaeldar : We originally started out here: Where you implicated that the Seville is a sports sedan, by comparing it to "Eurosnob-sports sedans", but I could hav
60 PHLBOS : Do you have a source to back this up? This is news to me. Very old news, the Bonneville's been gone for several years. Again, do you have a source to
61 Superfly : Which would make the new Buick Regal a Eurosnob car. It's no big deal. Don't worry about it.
62 CainanUk : Did you pay $7.64 per gallon today? Because I did when you convert £ to $ and litres to gallons. I am an American living in the UK and trust me... Y
63 Post contains links StasisLAX : The Lucerne will be replaced in the Buick line-up by the Lacrosse - although there is a rumor that the GM/Australia Holden Commodore (previously Pont
64 PHLBOS : I was under the impression that the new 2010 LaCrosse was simply just replacing the 2009 LaCrosse (aka the Taurus w/chrome). So what you're saying is
65 Luv2cattlecall : Wonder how many trees in the Dupont forest will be sacrificed for its "wood" interior? Actually, it's surprising how much nicer the Chinese Buicks are
66 StasisLAX : Which is why Buick management wants the Chinese market and the US market to have the exact same model line-up.
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