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Indians Joining British Army To Fight Taliban  
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3506 times:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...ht-Taliban/articleshow/5137237.cms

Interesting Article
regds
MEL.


Think of the brighter side!
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User currently offlinePHBUF From Netherlands, joined Mar 2009, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3488 times:

Hmm..I dunno about all this..I truly believe the only country/army that can fight and defeat the Taliban/Al Qaeda are the Pakistanis. Other forces (mainly US I guess) could do it too, but only if they would get access to Pakistani air and ground territory and that will never happen.If the Pakistanis really want to, they can do it..up until now, they have done just enough to keep the US away from Pakistani soil. Maybe with the recent increase in terror attacks, the Pakistanis will finally step up and finish the job.

User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3474 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Thread starter):
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...ht-Taliban/articleshow/5137237.cms

Interesting Article

Interesting but odd in a way. I know of one of yr colleagues who will be throwing a fit at this sentence!

Indians can join as the British Army as they are nationals of the Commonwealth countries.

Hope he fulfills his ambition, but sod's law tells us he will actually be sent to the Falklands or somewhere similar!!


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3452 times:



Quoting Baroque (Reply 2):
Interesting but odd in a way. I know of one of yr colleagues who will be throwing a fit at this sentence!

I wonder who.....

I guess the Pak army has started an offensive against the taliban in a more agressive manner.In case they need assistance.many nations would help.
regds
MEL.



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3424 times:



Quoting PHBUF (Reply 1):
Hmm..I dunno about all this..I truly believe the only country/army that can fight and defeat the Taliban/Al Qaeda are the Pakistanis.

I think this is the beginning of WW3, everyone has to take part in this to get rid of the Taliban and stop looking at countries that have been attacked and saying "it's your problem", because it's everybody's problem, especially India which is right next door to the violence. The pakistanis also have to play a larger role in this war, perhaps the largest. Their lack of military intelligence and execution aggravates me. They're gov't seems dimwitted against the Taliban and the taliban's strength is growing at a very rapid rate.



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3421 times:



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 4):
I think this is the beginning of WW3, everyone has to take part in this to get rid of the Taliban and stop looking at countries that have been attacked and saying "it's your problem", because it's everybody's problem, especially India which is right next door to the violence.

This evening's news should have the likes of thee and me rolling our heads in amazement. After years of being told the Talibs only survive cos they retreat over the Pak border, tonight the Pak army are saying how can they fight a force supported so strongly from over the border.

We need the UN to come in and referee to find which flow - Afghanistan to Pakistan or Pakistan to Afghanistan - is the most significant. And then the other lot can stop appealing to that causation!!

Radicalizing the Pashtuns was not a good idea. Now whose idea was that?


User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3378 times:



Quoting Baroque (Reply 5):
Radicalizing the Pashtuns was not a good idea. Now whose idea was that?

A good primer to figure that out for the history adverse among us is to watch the Tom Hanks movie "Charlie Wilsons War" and how short sighted most politicians are. After the USSR left Afghanistan we more or less abandonned the Afghan people to a civil war among themselves and Arab foreign fighters. If we stayed though probably the same thing would have happened, Afghanistan is not really a country but a region with warring tribes that have been killing each since before Alexander the Great. We gave men with a 7th century mindset modern weopens to enhance there warlike ways on a other tribe. These guys never get tired of bleeding.



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3371 times:



Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 6):
We gave men with a 7th century mindset modern weapons to enhance there warlike ways on a other tribe

We might argue about which century, but pretty fair comment. I know about Charlie W, the comment was fairly tongue in cheek. Charlie W has made real Charlies of everyone else who has tried to have much to do with Afghanistan. But it has gone a bit further than Charlie W could ever has imagined by adding to the previously volatile mix aid and drug money.

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 6):
These guys never get tired of bleeding.

Individually they do, but in group terms, no they do not seem to tire of it.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26845 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3351 times:



Quoting Baroque (Reply 2):
Interesting but odd in a way. I know of one of yr colleagues who will be throwing a fit at this sentence!

Indians can join as the British Army as they are nationals of the Commonwealth countries.

Whats wrong with that? India has gained alot from being part of the commonwealth. Indians joining the British Army is nothing new.


User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3320 times:

I read this news with amusement. It's really not going to amount to anything because the Pakis will just get paranoid and scream 'Indian spies!', forcing the British to keep such soldiers off the frontline. On the other hand it gives them access to higher pay and benefits, which they'll remit back home.

The Commonwealth gains by having India within, more than the other way around. Take away India and you have a bunch of small countries with UK+Australia running the show, minus the dynamism of having one of the fastest growing big economies within.

Finally, this news came from Tabloid of India, oops, Times of India  Smile



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3242 times:



Quoting BarfBag (Reply 9):
The Commonwealth gains by having India within, more than the other way around. Take away India and you have a bunch of small countries with UK+Australia running the show, minus the dynamism of having one of the fastest growing big economies within.

You just could not have the relationship as mutually beneficial could you? Are you suggesting the Commonwealth would be better if it invited China as well as Mozambique to join?

Quoting OA260 (Reply 8):

Whats wrong with that? India has gained alot from being part of the commonwealth. Indians joining the British Army is nothing new.

Nothing as far as I am concerned. Just I knew someone would not be totally ecstatic! And lo and behold, he was not.

He does have a point about the Pak reaction of Indian spies. But then the British army these days probably contains "spies" of a wide range of countries of origin. And presumably functions all the better for it.


User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3212 times:



Quoting Baroque (Reply 10):
You just could not have the relationship as mutually beneficial could you?

I really have no strong feelings about the Commonwealth whatsoever, primarily because I've no cultural or emotional ties to UK. It just seems like some legacy association that was 'grand fathered' into. Most Indians probably have no idea the country is even a member of the C'wealth, even though we are the biggest and most populous economy in the organization. If India quit the C'wealth it would be bigger news in UK/Australia than here. Losing us would indeed dent the organization significantly - it was the hope of keeping us within that led to the 1949 London Declaration and the modern C'wealth, after all.

However, it's not an economic entity, with no trading or investment incentives, or anything I see as worthwhile to India's economic progress. Its benefits are negligible outside of some cultural fluff, and CHOGM meetings barely register on the news here. Australia doesn't sell uranium to us despite selling to China. Indo-UK trade has been stagnant, while Sino-Indian and Indo-ASEAN trade has grown exponentially. The Asian Games have historically gotten much more press here than the C'wealth Games have, with only Delhi 2010 being different.

From a personal perspective related to aviation, I've avoided UK as a transit point in the past simply because they impose a transit visa while non-C'wealth locations like FRA don't, and a Schengen visa was better bang for buck for tourist trips. So I can't help being apathetic to the whole thing.



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3205 times:



Quoting BarfBag (Reply 11):
However, it's not an economic entity, with no trading or investment incentives, or anything I see as worthwhile to India's economic progress. Its benefits are negligible outside of some cultural fluff, and CHOGM meetings barely register on the news here. Australia doesn't sell uranium to us despite selling to China. Indo-UK trade has been stagnant, while Sino-Indian and Indo-ASEAN trade has grown exponentially.

Blame FDR for much of that, and god knows why the UK has not joined Schengen. My wife needed a Schengen to go to Holland, and then because we transited LHR, she needed a UK visa too.

When I visited India, I was amazed to find that rather different attitudes from yours were common in India - amazed in that it started with a lecture from a guy in the High Comm in Canberra about the importance of the Commonwealth. Mind you that was in 1984 and things may have changed.

Folk go on about Arafat never missing an opportunity, since WWII, the UK has done a much more thorough job that Arafat could ever have aspired to.

Anyway, just two words BB, one is Lee and the other Brett! Born about 10 klicks away from here too at Oak Flats.


User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3198 times:



Quoting Baroque (Reply 12):
Mind you that was in 1984 and things may have changed.

1984 was a *long* time ago; the UK was a much bigger influence than today. However, it's a very different world now. Today's India is all about economic development and 'what's in it for us', and the C'wealth does nothing in that regard; the word brings images of PG Wodehouse, top hats and monocles to mind - just passe.

PS: I don't get the Arafat reference.
PPS: Brett Lee is an Indian who happens to play for Australia, as with our ownership of the game itself on similar lines  Smile Nice dude, my favourite Aussie player, probably the only one in the current team I like.



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3177 times:



Quoting BarfBag (Reply 13):
PPS: Brett Lee is an Indian who happens to play for Australia

Could be. But even before Bing, there was Waugh S.

Arafat was supposed never to have passed up an opportunity to pass up an opportunity. The same applies to the UK over Europe and arguably for all to long to India post Independence. But we can agree that matters are different now. I would like to visit again. Maybe this time the mine would not be struggling with an E European one way longwall unit that was at least two stages out of date and maybe the opencut would not have overburden removal by baskets on heads. An Indian company is now mining in our district and AFAIK, it is pretty modern so things have changed.

You need to visit BB so you can visit Oak Flats and duly pay homage??


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26845 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3121 times:



Quoting BarfBag (Reply 9):
Pakis

Pakistani's  Wink , The above you quoted can land yourself in alot of trouble in many Western countries as it is considered a racist derogatory word.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7104 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3118 times:



Quoting BarfBag (Reply 9):
Take away India and you have a bunch of small countries with UK+Australia running the show, minus the dynamism of having one of the fastest growing big economies within.

So Canada and South Africa are small countries?


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13165 posts, RR: 78
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3103 times:

The UK armed forces have plenty of Commonwealth service people, nothing new there.
Notably from Fiji, South Africa, the Caribbean (where 2004 Victoria Cross winner Johnson Beharry came from), Australia and New Zealand.
While the Republic Of Ireland is not part of the Commonwealth, they too have long had it's citizens in the UK forces.

And Pakistan too, one of whom was killed in Afghanistan, making Barf Bag's crack somewhat unpleasant.
Big surprise.

Then there are those descended from Commonwealth immigrants, from the Indian Subcontinent, the Caribbean, Africa.
Though they are of course, British citizens, they are still part of the Commonwealth by descent.

Making the recent use of the BNP of UK military heritage symbols, typically offensive and stupid.
No surprise today that some senior former military figures have attacked them, BNP leader Nick Griffin's response was revealing, citing the Nazi war criminals executed after WW2, he tried to compare those attacking him to them, well maybe he would, since he was in the past peddled Holocaust Denial and of course, him and many of his members think the wrong side lost WW2.


User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3072 times:



Quoting Baroque (Reply 14):
Arafat was supposed never to have passed up an opportunity to pass up an opportunity.

 bigthumbsup  I never quite understood why we pandered to the fool.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 14):
You need to visit BB so you can visit Oak Flats and duly pay homage??

Probably unnecessary. He visits India several times a year. Never quite saw Tugga in the same way though. I respect his charitable work, but didn't see him nearly as approachable as Lee. Besides got into that needless confrontation with Ganguly  Wink

Interesting that the C'wealth is little more than a source of RA manpower now. Just underlines its irrelevance from an Indian perspective.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26845 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3022 times:



Quoting BarfBag (Reply 18):
Just underlines its irrelevance from an Indian perspective.

You really need to educate yourself on the Commonwealth then to see why it was set up in the first place and what India actually DID gain from it .  Wink


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2995 times:

Indian Troops marching alongside the Pak troops fighting the Taliban........a reality if achieved will change the face of the subcontinent in a good way.
regds
MEL.



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2973 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 20):
Indian Troops marching alongside the Pak troops fighting the Taliban........a reality if achieved will change the face of the subcontinent in a good way.

Likely true. At least it would be a change. So it must have a 50 50 chance at least of being better.

OA260, I understand from confidential briefings that it is the existence of the Commonwealth that has caused the recent decline of Sharma's bowling skills.


User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2968 times:



Quoting Baroque (Reply 21):
OA260, I understand from confidential briefings that it is the existence of the Commonwealth that has caused the recent decline of Sharma's bowling skills.

Oh absolutely! Did you read all the missives from FakeIPLPlayer during IPL2 in South Africa ? I didn't know our cricketers were a bunch of debauched hedonistic bohemians! Really Big grin



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2914 times:



Quoting Baroque (Reply 21):
OA260, I understand from confidential briefings that it is the existence of the Commonwealth that has caused the recent decline of Sharma's bowling skills.

I was wondering why too  Smile

On the topic....If Pak looses to the Taliban.....get ready to see US & Indian troops in Islamabad/Lahore.
regds
MEL.



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2908 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 23):
On the topic....If Pak looses to the Taliban.....get ready to see US & Indian troops in Islamabad/Lahore.

I would love to see the plans to take over the Pak nukes and I wonder if the US and the Indian plans have been er, um "coordinated"!! Lastly of course, I would be happier knowing they would succeed as the way things are going, they might be needed. Wonder if the Iranians have a role too.  duck 

I do like the way the problem is now called AfPak - sounds more like a type of treaty than a couple of wars. Especially if your mind mis-spells it as AfPac making it Africa-Pacific??


25 MD11Engineer : I´m quite sure that the Russians and Chinese would be involved as well, since none of them would like the idea of having Chechen or Uighur militants
26 Baroque : True. You never know, some good could even come out of this shambles, although that is too close to adopting a Rumsfeldian attitude to adversity than
27 HAWK21M : I wonder how the local Pak citizen is feeling about this mess.constant blasts & a threat of loosing to terror. Pity these terror organisations are sti
28 MillwallSean : True words, true words. It will take time and new tactics to deal with the Pashtuns. But we have no choice. However we often talk so much about Pastu
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