Ken777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7526 posts, RR: 5 Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 17439 times:
I am slowly moving to a new car and am having problems deciding how I want to go.
Right now the Kia's look pretty good when you consider the healthy rebates, 100K warranty, etc.
And on my last trip to the VA I was talking to a guy from the DAV and decided to join as your membership helps the new guys who are hurt. When I got my "benefits booklet" I found that Ford offers discounts to DAV members. That might make a Mazda 3 an interesting choice,
Or I might head back to a program car.
Basically we just need a decent "city car" for the wife who prefers small cars. The difference between a mid-teens car and something more expensive is travel money to go to the UK or Australia a couple of times.
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19813 posts, RR: 56 Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 17415 times:
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7677 posts, RR: 18 Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 17406 times:
I'd like a new car, but even with a decent paying job at this point I cannot justify getting rid of a reasonably good paid for car. Compounding things is that my car is less and less everyday as a trade or if I bothered too selling it private party.
I guess maybe my requirements are too much but in a new car I want:
Good fuel economy -- preferably 30+ mpg hwy
Ability to seat 4 comfortably
Good cargo capability -- which means hatch/wagon/compact CUV
Would like something with a little bit of power as well
Problem is I really can't get all 4 in one package. I absolutely do not want a sedan. I have a mid-sized 4-door sedan, while it is comfy for 4 adults and all, I do have an occasional need to carry bulky items. And a sedan just sucks for that. Plus I am looking at sub US$20k cars... if it is closer to $15k even better.
Slightly used opens up a few more options -- but I'd rather have a new car. Without having driven any of these cars the only one on paper that is REALLY compelling is the Hyundai.
I like me some MiTo. We'll be getting the FIAT 500 in the US sometime in 2010. I don't remember if the MiTo will be showing up along with some of the bigger Alfas.
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Aero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 23 Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 17405 times:
I would say the MiTo. It simply looks so cool A bit expensive though, one can get quite a big people-mover in good condition with an automatic gearbox and a big oil burner for that amount of money!
Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 4): But I'm still surprised that he can get an Ibiza there.
How so? Mexico has a much MUCH better car brand/model variety than the US will ever have. As for SEAT, we get the full SEAT line and even a few cars that not even Spain gets (at least not last time I checked), like the beastly Leon Copa Edition
ANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3240 posts, RR: 14 Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 17351 times:
I am currently sitting at home in my free time, and praying for some money to miraculously come my way so I can buy a "not-so-affordable" version of a VERY affordable car when it comes to the US as a 2011 model.
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Ken777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7526 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 17321 times:
This is a design range sold by several companies - like Nissan, Scion, etc.
The Kia version starts at $13,300 (for the manual).
The Kia Sportage also looks reasonable - basic auto is about $17,500 with the $2K rebate.
Actually, it's a good time to look at the various rebates available now. Not as good as before the Cash For Clunkers run, but nice. I keep checking edmunds on incentives and user reviews for multiple brands & models.
Fridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1383 posts, RR: 11 Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 17212 times:
Some great looking cars posted. I drove a Toyota Yaris for a while during a friend's illness a couple of years ago since he couldn't drive. I was very impressed with the roominess ( I'm 6', 300 lbs) and the get up and go of the engine. The trunk wasn't too bad for a two door coupe and the gas mileage was about 40 mpg! All for around $14K. They offer one in a very cool looking dark green!
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RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7714 posts, RR: 5 Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 17202 times:
If you're talking new, I'll take this model:
Honda Fit (second-generation North American model shown here):
Marcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1726 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 17182 times:
Drove one of these a couple of weeks ago from SAN to LAS and back and the total fuel bill for the trip was $60US and that is with fill ups on above average fuel prices from SoCal, the engine has more punch than I expected and is very roomy on the inside for a small car, also the dribing position is higher than on other cars of the segment.
The only downside that I found was that at highway speeds (due to the flat profile of the car) crosswinds will keep you busy keeping the car centered on the lane you are in.
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KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11742 posts, RR: 51 Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 17173 times:
I'd stay away from Kia, my ex owns a 2008 Spectra, it is a pig. Some other people I know who own Kias have had trouble getting warrenty service.
I like the Mercury Milan Preimum with an I-4 and automatic. Sync is great.
MarSciGuy From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 549 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 17154 times:
Quoting RayChuang (Reply 18): If you're talking new, I'll take this model:
Honda Fit (second-generation North American model shown here):
IF, when I get my next car, I go for a compact/subcompact, the Fit is waaay up on the list...Saying that though I've had a '98 Civic for several years, and while I love it as a very reliable and very fuel efficient car, the need for a somewhat larger cargo space is pushing me towards considering a CR-V for the next new/lightly used car I get. If my Civic (now at 165k miles) lasts another year and a half I'll be a very, very happy man...
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Because its a Ford. Altitude has nothing to do with it.
Quoting Theredbaron (Reply 16): I once had a Audi RS4 and it was great but heavy and a handfull, in comparison a lowly peugeot 206 with a ton of weight and a 140 hp engine will make you smile at every corner, dont talk about reliability or resale those are drawbacks of smalll cars but hey a 206 is 1/4 of the cost of an audi RS4.
Epic downgrade. Then again I don't even want to know what the "tenencia" was for it.
ANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3240 posts, RR: 14 Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 17163 times:
Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 25): Because its a Ford. Altitude has nothing to do with it.
Spoken like a true American, hahaha. (I'm kidding!!)
In all seriousness, the Fords sold in other parts of the world (i.e. NOT the USA) are far, far, far better cars. I have a 2000 Ford Focus here in New York and I take phenomenal care of it. Even still, at 58,000 miles, I'm not convinced it'll last another year. However, my uncle is a Ford dealer in Switzerland, and everyone in my family drives them. My grandmothers, a 1999 with 150,000 miles on it, runs like brand new, and has no trouble flying down the highway at 160 km/h or climbing the steep mountain road to our chalet. I drove that Focus when I was there and was blown away by the build quality.
And the Focus RS is just even better. Those new Focuses are awesome (even the lower-range models) because they look 100 times better than the American ones and are more reliable and far better-built. The Focus ST is a blast to drive, and that Focus RS I posted in an earlier post in this thread is simply phenomenal. There is a reason the Focus is one of the best-selling cars in Europe, and a reason Ford has such a dominant presence there in general (with the Ka, the Kuga, the C-Max, and their other models). Ford Europe is a far, far better company, and if they can bring the next world-generation Focus here and build it the same way, I think people will be very, very impressed.
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26 Falcon84: I probably won't be in the market to get a car until late '11/early '12, but i'll be looking at these cars, I imagine. -Honda Civic -Chevy Cruze -Chev
27 Theredbaron: That looks like a rolling refrigerator... Yes I know, but I dont want to have my post deleted because they have Flame bait.. Yes it was painful to pa
28 MCOflyer: I am happy with my current car; 2007 Dodge Caliber. If I had to buy a car right now: A jeep wrangler with a 6 spd. In the future I will look at these:
29 RayChuang: I'm still in favor of the Honda Fit (Jazz) because it's probably the ONLY car in the US market that has the interior flexibility of a European-market
30 StasisLAX: I love the new Cube. A neighbor has a "alien" green 1.8SL model, and it's just the coolest thing. She loves it and says that it will hold a tremendou
31 CXB77L: So do I. If I were to downsize from my current car, the Ford Mondeo would be my pick. I'm not keen on compact cars, the Mondeo is about as small as I
32 Wingscrubber: I'm living in the US, and curiously me my wife(bambino on his way) and 3 cats need three vehicles hehe... So, we have a new Yaris which is awesome bec
33 Cpd: I'd have to agree. A G6E Turbo would be very nice. Economical and fast, without being too costly. But I'd like one of these: http://www.fastvoice.de/
34 Cws818: I know it's not available new anymore (but used it would be affordable), but I have been lusting after an Alfa Romeo 156 for many years - pity they we
35 MillwallSean: Somehow we don't see as many Hondas in my parts of Europe. Its sad because the Accord is a great vehicle. I have always liked the Renaults as well. Gr
36 Cpd: I don't care about brand-snobbery. Exclusivity is a Pagani Zonda F, the only one of its kind that is personally customised for you with a bespoke int
37 Ken777: Strangest things about women and babies. They seem to be focused on the large cargo space needed in their cars when 7 to 10 pounds of baby is added.
38 2H4: Well, since I already have a car I like, I'd go for a fun second car. Here are some of my favorites: 2H4
39 KC135TopBoom: Just the car and color that will fit right in the Southern California lifestyle.
40 Socalfive: Ordinarily the first thing I say is "Toyota" anything. But, as much as I travel right now and with each stop I'm renting cars and wound up in a Ford F
41 LTU932: Personally, I would probably choose between a Kia Rio, Peugeot 207, Renault Mégane or a VW Golf (though I'm not really a fan of Volkswagen). As to Fo
42 JJJ: I've seen one for sale in MAD for about 10K euro. Not in pristine condition, though.
43 Lewis: I like the Mito, although a bit expensive for what it offers (apart from looks). I'd get a Fiat 500, I really like the new trim designed by Diesel:
44 Ken777: Hopefully FIat can get the 500 (and a lot of other models) to the States fairly fast. Chrysler certainly needs cars like the 500 and, I believe, that
45 AerorobNZ: Anything by Renaultsport. They drive the best of any hot hatches.
46 MrChips: For me, the best cheap(ish) car that fits most of my needs and wants would have to be the Hyundai Genesis coupe. It's not too expensive (several versi
47 KiwiRob: We are seriously considering a BMW X1, 2.0 diesel, I can trade my wifes 08 3 series and end up paying less per month than what I am now, it also solve
48 IH8BY: I think that's a little unfair - the Focus and Mondeo sell tremendously well for a reason. Motoring journalists love them (especially for the driving
49 Superfly: What are we considering "affordable"? € 22.000 = $32,709.40 USD That isn't cheap for a car. I can get a Mercury Grand Marquis for only $25,000 but t
50 SCCutler: Yessir, and a V6 Mustang is no slug, either. Built well, good performance, unmatched looks - I'll take the 'Stang!
51 Melpax: Thinking of going back to a Falcon as well. The new ones are pretty damn good, especially with the 6 speed auto. Though I rented a Toyota Aurion (V6
52 Superfly: Very true! Keep in mind though, the V6 Mustang is simply a small affordable car that is rear-drive and looks cool. That's it. Yes the V6 Mustang can
53 JJJ: It's just the way pricing works in Europe. You can't compare pricing directly as the approach is totally different. BMWs, VWs, Mercs, are all much ch
54 Superfly: True. I have a lady-friend in Istanbul, Turkey and she paid over $80,000 for her Ford Mustang GT convertible back in 2002. I couldn't believe how muc
55 JJJ: There are several importers that bring Mustangs. An already euro-spec (wheels, lights, etc. have to be changed, paperwork, import duties, etc.) 2010
56 Superfly: My sister's husband had to spend an arm & leg to get their 1994 Lincoln Town Car to European specs when they moved back to his hometown near Rotterda
57 PHLBOS: Correct on everything except listed starting price. The 2010 Mustang now starts at $20,995; a similarly-equipped convertible model starts at $25,995.
58 Revelation: The truck or the wife? So you don't like brand-name snobbery but elitist snobbery is OK?
59 WildcatYXU: It is. The sticker price in EU is basically the all inclusive drive-away price. In North America the sticker price is only a number the real life pri
61 L410Turbolet: Why on Earth would you want a Rio which is still the typical "cheapo" Korean car? The new Kia ce'ed/ Hyundai i30 is basically the same size of a car,
62 RayChuang: Given we have 65 mph (105 km/h) and 70 mph (113 km/h) speed limits in the USA, I'm still sticking with getting a new Honda Fit if I had the money. I w
63 ACDC8: Now that Canada finally has the Golf 6, I'm just waiting for my dealer to get the 5 door TDi so I can take it out for a test drive. But from what I've
65 FLY2HMO: Overstatement of the century. Great car, but not quite affordable I'd say.
66 Superfly: Most uninformed statement of the century.
67 KiwiRob: If you buy one today it would be pretty cheap.
68 FLY2HMO: With high mileage and surely not in mint condition I'm waiting for the RS4s to get cheap though I know several a.nuts in here who have driven one tha
69 Superfly: We're talking about affordable cars here. The base V6 Mustang is the best value under $20,000.
70 Continental: I'm not sure as I'm not in this situation and thus have not done much research. HOWEVER, I would probably look into the Scion xB. It's not that pretty
71 FLY2HMO: Best value in terms of what? Inquiring minds would like to know. It's just a Corolla with a box on top.
72 Continental: xB or Corolla...both great cars! Does the Corolla have a Camry engine?
73 FLY2HMO: If you like appliances with wheels on them. Only the XRS version. The current Camry in 4 banger form has to be one of the slowest cars I've ever driv
74 Superfly: Well for starters, it's the only rear-drive car on the market for under $20,000. Rear-drive are inherently better than front-drive. If I am not mista
75 ACDC8: Depending what one defines as value. It does pack a lot of punch for the money, there's no question about that and I'll agree with you on the rear wh
76 Superfly: Oh I agree. The V6 is only made to keep federally mandated CAFE numbers higher, easier to sell to younger drivers that are discriminated against by i
77 L410Turbolet: Another overstatement of the century.
78 Superfly: Show us any performance, luxury or industrial vehicle that is front-wheel drive.
81 MIAspotter: Another car I would love to get is this. The new Citroen DS3, a new take on the beatiful Citroen DS of old. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citroen_DS3 I
83 PHLBOS: Is it me or does the DS3 resemble a melted Toyota FJ Cruiser... right down to the above-pictured color scheme?
84 L410Turbolet: The model fitted with 3.2 FSI V6 gasoline engine is not. The only non-quattro configuration available for the A8 afaik.
85 FLY2HMO: This is one of the few times I'm gonna have to agree with Superfly. FWD isn't inherently a bad thing but has a few drawbacks like understeer, torque
86 MIAspotter: Not at all, this a small car, sort of Yaris size, and far far more beautiful than that hideous FJ Cruiser... MIAspotter
87 FLY2HMO: I do see some minor resemblance, but its a totally different category and type of car. Plus the FJ is fugly
88 A342: IIRC the 2.8FSI is only available as FWD, while the 3.2FSI has at least a quattro option. Performance vehicles? The Ford Focus RS is a good one to st
89 Superfly: None of the above are serious performance cars. Yes I am sure some of those models manged to squeeze some HP but I haven't seen any front-drive cars
90 A342: Since when are Rolls Royces considered performance cars? The Phantom may have the same acceleration as the Focus RS, but it is not a car to be tossed
91 A342: In addition to what I said above, the Bugatti Veyron's AWD uses a Haldex coupling, which means that the rear wheels are only powered if the front whee
92 Superfly: It's a luxury car. ...and there isn't a single AWD car available in the US for less than $20,000. Remember, this thread is about 'affordable' cars.
93 A342: True, we're way off-topic now. AWD is awesome, but as the saying goes, you get what you pay for. A342
94 PHLBOS: Gentlemen, I am very well aware that the DS3 and the FJ Cruiser are two completely different vehicles. My earlier resemblance comment was ONLY in reg
95 Superfly: True. ....and the best bang for the buck here in the US is the base Ford Mustang. I would put the Mercury Grand Marquis on the list but it's now almo
96 MrChips: Not true. The Veyron can send all it's power to either the front or rear axles, but most of the time, it operates in a 30:70 front/rear torque split.
97 A342: The source I provided suggests otherwise. Maybe you have another?
98 SkyGourmet: Not true, the Subaru Impreza starts at $17,495 with a 170 hp engine. Would have been my choice too.
99 MrChips: AMS is, in my opinion, one of the worst written and poorly researched automobile magazines on the planet - it even makes some of the American mags (w
100 Superfly: Is the AWD model priced under $20,000?
101 FLY2HMO: Everything I've read, seen, or heard about the Veyron says that the power is always sent to the rear wheels first and to the front ones only if neede
102 A342: A most curious statement, to say the least. Never heard such an opinion about it before, and I have yet to come across any false reporting on their p
103 SkyGourmet: All Subaru vehicles are AWD (atleast those sold in the US).
104 Superfly: Well add the Subaru Impreza to the list of one of the best affordable cars in the US.
105 ACDC8: Just a shame they had to butcher they sytling on the hatchback/wagon model. The sedan is OK, but the previous generation was much nicer to look at.
106 JJJ: For small and relatively low-power vehicles, FWD is actually better as RWD means extra weight and consumes space. That said, manufacturers are using
107 FLY2HMO: True, but once again, depends how its implemented. IMO anything over 250hp in the front wheels is way too much. They tested the RS in Top Gear and Je
108 Superfly: Space efficiency is an advantage to small front-drive cars. Not sure why most front-drive cars don't take advantage by designing a flat floor. The fi
109 MrChips: I grabbed the wrong source by accident - a byproduct of using too many windows at once, I guess. Here's the one I intended to get: http://www.automob
110 Asuflyer05: Not quite. Let's let actual test data from Car and Driver spit the facts... BMW 335i Coupe Mustang GT 500 Mustang GT Audi S5 Mercedes E550 Coupe Suzu
111 Superfly: WTF? I just noticed, Suzuki stole a name from AMC. The SX4 was a 4-wheel drive hatchback pony car that went up against the Mustang and Camero. The on
112 A342: Both are crap. From Motortrend: "Engine drives all four wheels (with a fixed 30/70 front/rear torque split)" From Edmunds: "...that has a fixed torqu
113 FLY2HMO: Ya really, FWD doesn't fit the character of a Caddy at all. Don't see what you're getting at there. You just can't compare 1/4 mile times and skidpad
114 Superfly: True. The only exception would be the 1967-1978 Eldorado. (shared with the 1966-1978 Oldsmobile Toronado). Those were the only posi-track front-wheel
115 JJJ: I'd rather put the limit in the low 200hp end unless we're talking subcompacts.
116 Continental: Pfft, whatever. More like if you like cars that will last you a very long time.
117 FLY2HMO: The engines, IF anything. All my friends that had your older (90's), typical college guy/girl asian-made car had all the interiors with roof ceilings
118 Continental: Can you really attribute that to a poor quality car? Perhaps someone had bad brake problems because they didn't check their brakes or they brake too
119 FLY2HMO: Taking this into account: Yes. When I look for quality I want it in every corner of the car, not just the engine. Defeats the purpose otherwise.
120 Continental: Well then that's somewhat hard to believe. I bet there are tons of people everyday who claim to treat their cars well yet kill their engines because t
121 Lewis: I think so too. The have good engines and reliability in terms of not quitting in the middle of the road for no reason. Other than that, their qualit
122 FLY2HMO: You're missing my point. These weren't claims made by my friends, I WAS IN THEIR CARS, and I even drove several as a DD. They all had the major Asian
123 Lewis: It is the thing I always notice in many Japanese cars. Sales people from other dealerships also use it as a sign of quality or "perceived quality" if
124 Continental: No, you're missing my point. I still feel it is likely that they weren't treating their cars as good as they said. If that's somehow not the case, we
125 NA: Agreed. Thats currently the hottest small car. I dont like its headlamps too much (to much Baby look aiming at women), but the rest is classy, and th
126 FLY2HMO: Unrepresentative? The cars I mentioned are THE most common ones out there. Everybody and their mom, grandma and dog has a Civic, Corolla, Camry, Sona
127 Speedbird174: The new VW Polo!! I test drove the SE(entry level) model last week and it was fantastic, the 1.2 engine is really impressive with only 60bhp but 112 l
128 NA: I saw this one on Topgear. The driver was looking like a jetfighter pilot when going around a bend. Totally distorted face. Jeez...
130 2H4: I agree. The problem with basing car comparisons on test data is that it doesn't tell the whole story. A car may produce incredible skidpad and lane-
131 Continental: I was actually referring to THE exact cars that you were in, not just the general name of the car. Yay!
132 StasisLAX: Gorgeous! One of my favorites vehicles anywhere in the world!
133 Ken777: Actually the DeVille's FWD is the only reason we bought a 2002. We had rented one for a 11 hour road trip that turned into an ice storm, leaving a lo
134 Tommy767: I was actually getting new car keys for my 04 mailbu in LA and the saab dealership next door was advertising $10,000 off any sticker MSRP for 09-10 sa
135 EddieDude: Why's that? VW has been selling SEATs in Mexico for many years. And Ibizas are quite popular cars here. It is a pity North America does not get the A
136 WildcatYXU: Pure ignorance on my side, I guess... If you think about it, it wasn't so bad. The base V6 was going for $ 32 K here, while the GT was starting aroun
137 EddieDude: In complete agreement with you. Nah, no worries. Mexico went from being a 5-brands of cars country back in 1990 (GM, Chrysler, Ford, VW and Nissan) t
138 WildcatYXU: Well, Canada certainly still is a 5 brand country...and you can't even bring in a car you want yourself
139 Lewis: Don't think so. It looks as it is a "coming soon" model on the citroen website.
140 Marcus: I was recently in Australia and had a Falcon as rental for a couple of days.....aside from some plasticky interior pieces and a very cheap sound when
141 CXB77L: It is a pity, but for reasons beyond my comprehension, Ford Australia decided that instead of spending money converting the Falcon to LHD, they were
142 EddieDude: Ford has been developing a new line of gasoline engines that can compete with higher-displacement and more-cylinder engines. They call those the EcoB
143 CXB77L: Yes, while I have little doubt that the new engine will beat the current straight six for power, I doubt very much it'll even match, let alone beat t
145 NA: The German village bank clerks and Turkish boys dream? Pleeeez not in silver with black interior, thats one of the most boring cars in Germany. If it
146 Eirbus06: I am hoping for a pot of gold here in the emerald isle because i just have to have the new 2010 VW golf R20
147 Aero145: Eirbus, that car doesn’t exist. You may want the new Golf R. This car is, by no means, affordable!
148 JJJ: Plasticky interiors and cheap sounds defines perfectly the US motor industry
149 Acey: I'd buy a new 260 hp Cobalt SS and absolutely destroy a V6 Mustang in every regard, as well as the BMW 335i around a track. To each their own I guess.
150 Marcus: No really....the sound of that door closing was a big dissapointment and did not fit well with the rest of the car, or at least my preception of it f
151 FLY2HMO: Which is like buying a turd with a jet engine on it. My moms 170hp station wagon does that already. Wishful thinking.
152 Superfly: Not sure if this thread was meant to be a comparison thread but a thread about "affordable cars". The Chevrolet Cobalt SS is a good car if you're in
153 Vhqpa: I just brought a new Mazda 2 Hatchback the other day. Same green as pictured just waiting on delivery Vhq.
154 MIAspotter: Well I don't know how "affordable" this car is, but I absolutely love it!! 2009 VW Scirocco. So mean loooking. This is and affordable car and I quite
155 Cpd: I was driven (yes, that's right - oh the joy of it) about the other day in a car that I could easily live with - the V8 version of the following car:
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