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F1 Off Season 2009/2010  
User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 7961 times:

Hi all,

Thought we could kick off the off season thread as it has actually started now.

Again we have had a season filled with drama and scandals. But lets not forget the highlights as they have been there as well.
The biggest highlight to me is that Massa will fully recover, and that his wife and child will not be without a husband/father.

Although this last race was sold out, I really wonder how this track will keep it up in the future. The only thing I could see was signs saying "Look how much money we have spent."
Looked like the actual track was planned after all the other gadgets and bling bling had got their places. A real shame to end a season this way. It actually worries me for the future tracks that are in the process of being built cause they all want to be compared with Yas Marina.

It looks like Mercedes are the reason behind why we don't know who will drive the second car at brawn and Mclaren nex season. Apparently they have put everything on hold for now.

19 weeks until next race weekend, so lets keep this thread alive with upcoming news and developments.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7953 times:

Thank you for opening this off season F1 thread.

The thing that immediately comes to my mind is that there will be no more Max and Bernie which in itself is certainly not a bad thing, we have seen much too much of these two.

I am not sure how the gnome Jean Todt will fare. Let's wait and see. We will have plenty of time to find out. 2010 will give us a good idea.

Talking about the Yas Marina, my idea is that Max and Bernie and the (ex) Ferrari International Assistance along with their sponsors Mubadala are solely responsible for the coming of the AbuDhabi GP and they had their Premiere today.

Now the drivers. To me Toyota noobie third driver Kamui Kobayashi is my happiest surprise. Think of his Ferrari equivalent Luca Badoer and feel the difference! Kobayashi is genius, he proved it today with his daring overtaking of new world champion Jenson Button. He had already thrilled me at Interlagos, today was another one of his surprises.

Vettel and Webber are great drivers also. Hammy is still most special in my heart. I am sure 2010 will be a better year for him provided that McLaren come up with a better car for him. This year wasn't it at all.

I will be missing the departing ones especially BMW Sauber. I like Mario Theissen. I will be sorry to see them going. Let's see what new teams we will have next season.

Some drivers that I would like to see retiring will probably stay. I am thinking of Kimi. I think it is time for him to leave and go do something else. Anyway this is just my own opinion.

Make room for the younger drivers!  goodvibes   yes   checkeredflag   trophy 



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User currently offlineFX772LRF From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 675 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7951 times:

I haven't been following F1 for sake of the drastic rule changes, and the leaderboards being flipped upside down.

How is the US F1 team coming along? Will they be ready for the first race next season?

-Noah  wave 



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7949 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 1):
no more Max and Bernie

However, now we have to deal with Jean and Bernard...  Wink


User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7947 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 1):
I am not sure how the gnome Jean Todt will fare

This was settled even before the voting took place really.
Todt had the whole Maranello behind him, as well as drivers who drove during Todt's era. Vatanen didn't stand a chance. If this is not going to biased, I don't know what is.
One can only hope that Todt's actions will be monitored.

And please MadameC, could we lose the FIA = Ferrari International Assistance. Thanks.

Quoting FX772LRF (Reply 2):
How is the US F1 team coming along? Will they be ready for the first race next season?

All new teams aim to be on the grid in March, but we don't know more then you really. Driver line up for the new teams are written in the sky currently, so we just need to wait and see.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2814 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7944 times:

The only thing I'm happy about Todt is that he wants the French GP back and he could make it happen quite quickly (obviously not next year, but 2011 could be realistic).

I miss my French GP  cry 



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User currently offlineCodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7938 times:

The new season will probably be as exciting as this one. We'll have the new teams. Cosworth back. Let's hope Bridgestone will prepare better 'ingredients' in the tyres.

Most of the constructors should have learnt how the diffusers are working. No tanking. But qualifying should be more exciting.

New track: S. Korea.
What worries me is the overtaking. We had just a few moments this season. The real overtaking was in pit-stop strategies. Every new track is basically designed by Mr. Tilke. I'd like to see Imola back, probably one or two other tracks also. But its the $$$ that matter not the viewer's entertainment.

KS/codeshare



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7929 times:



Quoting FX772LRF (Reply 2):
How is the US F1 team coming along?

From what I've heard, they're placing their racing operations in Spain. The factory for building the cars will apparently still be in South Carolina.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 5):
The only thing I'm happy about Todt is that he wants the French GP back and he could make it happen quite quickly

As long as the French GP isn't in Magny-Cours, no objections from me.  Wink

Quoting Codeshare (Reply 6):
But its the $$$ that matter not the viewer's entertainment.

 checkmark 

I read in an article that even Dr Mario Theissen, the head of the old BMW squad, said that there was some entertainment missing.


User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2753 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7927 times:

I want to make a list of all the drivers and the teams for whom they will be racing, we can update the list as soon as we find out who goes where.

Legend:
TBA = To Be Announced
In brackets = Not confirmed or keeping current driver.

Brawn GP F1 Team.
Driver 1: TBA (Jenson Button)
Driver 2: TBA (Rubens Barrichelo, Nico Rosberg)
Test Driver: TBA

Campos Meta Team.
Driver 1: TBA (Bruno Senna)
Driver 2: TBA (Pedro Martinez de la Rosa)
Test Driver:

Scuderia Ferrari.
Driver 1: Felipe Massa
Driver 2: Fernando Alonso
Test Driver: Giancarlo Fisichella

Force India F1 Team.
Driver 1: TBA (Adrian Sutil)
Driver 2: TBA (Vitantonio Liuzzi)
Test Driver: TBA

Lotus F1 Team.
Driver 1: TBA
Driver 2: TBA
Test Driver: TBA

Manor Grand Prix.
Driver 1: TBA
Driver 2: TBA
Test Driver: TBA

Vodafone McLaren Mercedes.
Driver 1: Lewis Hamilton
Driver 2: TBA (Either Button, Rosberg or Raikkonen)
Test Driver: TBA

Red Bull Racing.
Driver 1: Mark Webber
Driver 2: Sebastian Vettel
Test Driver: TBA

Renault F1 Team.
Driver 1: Robert Kubica
Driver 2: TBA (Romain Grosjean)
Test Driver: TBA (Lucas Di Grassi)

Scuderia Toro Rosso.
Driver 1: TBA (Sebastien Buemi)
Driver 2: TBA (Jaime Alguersuari)
Test Driver: TBA

Panasonic Toyota Racing.
Driver 1: TBA (Jarno Trulli)
Driver 2: TBA (Timo Glock/Kamui Kobayashi)
Test Driver: Kamui Kobayashi

Team US F1.
Driver 1: TBA (Jacques Villeneuve)
Driver 2: TBA
Test Driver: TBA

AT&T Williams.
Driver 1: TBA (Heikki Kovalainen)
Driver 2: TBA (Kazuki Nakajima, Nico Hulkenberg)
Test Driver: TBA

Let the speculation begin!!

MIAspotter.



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User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7922 times:

By the way,

KERS is allowed to be used next season, but all teams have agreed to not run it. Good move. KERS was not meant to be, and the only teams who actually got it to work properly was Mclaren and Ferrari, which happens to be the teams with the biggest budget.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7923 times:



Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 8):
Driver 2: TBA (Kazuki Nakajima, Nico Hulkenberg)

About Williams, it will be more likely that they'll hire Nico Hülkenberg from GP2. Nakajima's time in F1 is over and at most, he will stick around as test driver.


User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2753 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7916 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 10):
Nakajima's time in F1 is over and at most, he will stick around as test driver.

Totally agree, he never really do anything with the car, other than crash it onto someone else's.

As for the new rules of 2010, what do you guys think about the banning of refueling during pit stops?

19 weeks until the new season starts... Hmm... better dust off the ole PS2 and fire up the F1 games.

MIAspotter.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7914 times:



Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 11):
what do you guys think about the banning of refueling during pit stops?

It's about time they re-introduce that. With all the re-fuelling, F1 has become a strategic operation, not a skill operation.


User currently offlineScrubbsYWG From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 1495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7894 times:



Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 8):
Campos Meta Team.
Driver 1: TBA (Bruno Senna)
Driver 2: TBA (Pedro Martinez de la Rosa)
Test Driver:

believe it was confirmed senna is one of the drivers for campos.


User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2604 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7883 times:
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Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 8):
Vodafone McLaren Mercedes.
Driver 1: Lewis Hamilton
Driver 2: TBA (Either Button, Rosberg or Raikkonen)
Test Driver: TBA

My money's on Raikkonen to get the seat. I think it's pretty safe to assume that Rosberg and Barrichello will do a switch - Rosberg to Brawn, Barrichello to Williams, leaving Raikkonen for the McLaren seat. Hamilton and Raikkonen will be a very interesting combination, but as Brundle mentioned during the commentary in Abu Dhabi, it will depend very much on what Mercedes do. I hope that Mercedes continue their long and successful partnership with McLaren.

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 8):
AT&T Williams.
Driver 1: TBA (Heikki Kovalainen)
Driver 2: TBA (Kazuki Nakajima, Nico Hulkenberg)
Test Driver: TBA

While there hasn't been any confirmation yet from Williams, I think we can pretty much pencil in Rubens Barrichello and Nico Hulkenberg for the drive. Rosberg has already confirmed that he is leaving, and it doesn't take Einstein to work out that Nakajima just hasn't done enough to keep his drive. Time to give someone else a go.

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 8):
Team US F1.
Driver 1: TBA (Jacques Villeneuve)
Driver 2: TBA
Test Driver: TBA

I am very much a Jacques Villeneuve fan. I've liked him ever since he made his debut with Williams in 1996, and have followed his career with interest. But I must question whether Villeneuve has still got what it takes to be in F1. He's 39 years old, and hasn't raced in F1 since 2006. F1 has changed a lot since then, and I fear that he may not be able to keep up. I really don't want to see Villeneuve finish his career as a mobile chicane, but it would be nice to have him back.

On the other hand, he wasn't the biggest fan of the introduction of grooved tyres into F1, and with the return of slicks, he might just get a car that behaves the way he wants it to.



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User currently offlineScrubbsYWG From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 1495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7877 times:



Quoting CXB77L (Reply 14):
I am very much a Jacques Villeneuve fan. I've liked him ever since he made his debut with Williams in 1996, and have followed his career with interest. But I must question whether Villeneuve has still got what it takes to be in F1. He's 39 years old, and hasn't raced in F1 since 2006. F1 has changed a lot since then, and I fear that he may not be able to keep up. I really don't want to see Villeneuve finish his career as a mobile chicane, but it would be nice to have him back.

i too am somewhat of a JV fan, although, really, what does he have to lose? If someone wants to give him a chance, i say he should do it. His years at BAR were really nothing to write home about, and BMW wasn't much better. He basically ruined most of his reputation there, so i think going to another upstart really isn't that bad.

And, even though F1 has changed since then, i think it was his old engineer or someone like that, that earlier this year called Jacques and said he would really like the cars this year because they really suit his driving.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7875 times:



Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 8):
Team US F1.
Driver 1: TBA (Jacques Villeneuve)

Wait. First they're debating about getting Danica into F1, now they're considering Jacques Villeneuve? I can take it if Danica decides to join the F1 circus, but yet another return from JV? No thanks.  talktothehand 


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8443 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7866 times:

Bridgestone to pull out at the end of 2010.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79968

Who will replace them? Michelin won't be interested as they were only going to continue to compete in F1 if there was competition amongst manufacturers.

Quoting Sudden (Reply 9):
KERS is allowed to be used next season, but all teams have agreed to not run it.

Williams have indicated they will run it since they're still suspended from FOTA.


User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7848 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 16):
First they're debating about getting Danica into F1

I think it was back in August that we knew that Danica was not to drive for USF1.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 14):
He's 39 years old, and hasn't raced in F1 since 2006

I'm all for it if he comes back. He has lots of experience, and can be very valuable to a rookie team.
But I also like to see him back because he says what he thinks. He doesn't beat around the bush, at all. Drives a bit wild, and can be bit of a loose canon. Just what F1 needs to bring back part of the "good old times" and to lose up things around the paddock. If someone can hire Irvine to drive as well, it would be even better. No chance of that happening, but you see my point.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 17):
Who will replace them?

Good Year wouldn't be a stranger to F1.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2814 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7836 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 7):
As long as the French GP isn't in Magny-Cours, no objections from me.

I agree, I've always hated this circuit. But there are rumours that if a new track is not built on time, F1 could temporarily go to Le Castellet (a.k.a Paul-Ricard or HTTTTTTTTTTT)

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12):
It's about time they re-introduce that. With all the re-fuelling, F1 has become a strategic operation, not a skill operation.

Indeed.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 14):
I am very much a Jacques Villeneuve fan

Me too! He was rock n' roll and brought some fun in F1. I miss drivers like him and Montoya. At least they were not "formatted".

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 14):
I've liked him ever since he made his debut with Williams in 1996, and have followed his career with interest. But I must question whether Villeneuve has still got what it takes to be in F1.

I agree on that as well. 39 is quite old. Let's see if he can take up the challenge.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 17):
Who will replace them? Michelin won't be interested as they were only going to continue to compete in F1 if there was competition amongst manufacturers.

Indeed, Michelin wants to have competitors. And then they are not in good terms with the FIA, where they've been kicked out of WRC as well.

Good Year could be a solution. Why not Pirelli or Dunlop?



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7829 times:



Quoting CXB77L (Reply 14):
While there hasn't been any confirmation yet from Williams, I think we can pretty much pencil in Rubens Barrichello and Nico Hulkenberg for the drive. Rosberg has already confirmed that he is leaving, and it doesn't take Einstein to work out that Nakajima just hasn't done enough to keep his drive. Time to give someone else a go.

And as expected its now been confirmed this morning - Barichello and Hulkenburg for Williams in 2010.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8337807.stm

So Barichello and Rosberg looking certain to swap seats then....



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User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7825 times:



Quoting Cornish (Reply 20):
And as expected its now been confirmed this morning - Barichello and Hulkenburg for Williams in 2010.

Glad to see that Rubens will stay in F1. He must be the sweetest guy out there on the track.

Quoting Cornish (Reply 20):
So Barichello and Rosberg looking certain to swap seats then....

Well, not so sure really as it looks like Mercedes doesn't know what they want at the moment. Brawn would for sure be a step in the right direction for Rosberg to target the WDC title, but my money is on Mclaren if I need to pick one of these 2 teams for next season.

If Mclaren and Kimi can sort out the financial aspects of the contract as well as the sponsor appearences, I would not be surprised to see Kimi next to Lewis.
In the Q and A with Martin W. a little while back, he more or less said himself that they want Kimi.

Quoting FX772LRF (Reply 2):
I am thinking of Kimi. I think it is time for him to leave and go do something else. Anyway this is just my own opinion.

Make room for the younger drivers!

We all know you don't like Kimi, which is fine, but if it comes down to make room for younger drivers, there are far more older drivers on the grid then Kimi.

I also sense that you don't want Kimi to drive for Mclaren next season, cause he can actually be a real challenge for Lewis. How am I doing so far?  Wink

Aim for the sky!
Sudden



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7818 times:



Quoting Sudden (Reply 21):
Well, not so sure really as it looks like Mercedes doesn't know what they want at the moment. Brawn would for sure be a step in the right direction for Rosberg to target the WDC title, but my money is on Mclaren if I need to pick one of these 2 teams for next season.

If Mclaren and Kimi can sort out the financial aspects of the contract as well as the sponsor appearences, I would not be surprised to see Kimi next to Lewis.
In the Q and A with Martin W. a little while back, he more or less said himself that they want Kimi

Actully Mercedes are McLaren are this week supposedly sorting out the parting of their deal and Mercedes shareholding, whilst guaranteeing continuing engine supply going forward, leaving Mercedes free to buy into Brawn - pretty much an open secret in F1 now. And its been made clear that Mercedes want Rosberg in a car powered by their engines and that he will go to Brawn.

Despite the Button to McLaren rumours, everyone thinks he wil lsign at least a one year deal to stay at Brawn and see how they do next year. Kimi should then slot into the spare McLaren seat.

Glock is expected to be announced as the second Renault driver next week. Konbayashi will almost certainly get a Toyota drive given his promising performance in the first two races.

Oh and Bruno Senna - nephew of Ayrton has been confirmed at Campos Meta.



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User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7818 times:



Quoting Sudden (Thread starter):
Although this last race was sold out, I really wonder how this track will keep it up in the future. The only thing I could see was signs saying "Look how much money we have spent."

Could not agree more... at least now we know why crude oil prices are being kept so high... they have to make sure WE all pay for a bs track like that...

My biggest ? is for the US F1 team.... there is nothing so far which indicates anything but singed papers....

Looking forward seeing Alonso & Massa sorting out "who is the boss" @ SF in 2010

Cheerios,


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2814 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7809 times:



Quoting Swissy (Reply 23):
Looking forward seeing Alonso & Massa sorting out "who is the boss" @ SF in 2010

There's not doubt for me. Alonso is a much better driver than Massa! After, it will be more a matter of how well he will integrate the team.



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
25 MadameConcorde : Kimi did not do too good this season did he? How many times on top of podiums? Hammy did not do too good for another reason: McLaren did not provide
26 Legoguy : I don't know, I thought the KERS added a bit of flavour to the racing. The only reason why McLaren and Ferrari got it to work was because they stuck
27 Sudden : And again I need to remind you of that Ferrari halted development on the F60 whilst Mclaren brought update after update. So do you really find it str
28 Scbriml : As a rookie Hamilton showed he had what it takes to deal with an aggressive double World Champion. Frankly, I don't see the fading Raikkonen presenti
29 Codeshare : Yes, we have seen it this season - when his race was good, when it was bad Rubens showed a different side. Anyways he'll be doing that record number
30 Codeshare : It's the same for both of them, They did have weaker cars this season. But Lewis somehow managed to get back into action. Kimi was asleep all season.
31 EZEIZA : No doubt Alonso is much better driver. I just hope the ego fight won't affect the team and that on the contrary they will both be competitive, even i
32 Codeshare : BMW overinvested in KERS, that was their main mistake for the 2009 season, apart from loosening all things in 2nd half of 2008. In the last three rac
33 Cornish : I agree. Kimi will be quick and certainly a much better bet for points than Kovaleinen but I would expect Hamilton to get the better of him over the
34 MIAspotter : OK, Updating the list to show Barrichello and Hulkenberg on Williams. Brawn GP F1 Team. Driver 1: TBA (Jenson Button) Driver 2: TBA (Nico Rosberg) Tes
35 Waterpolodan : During the american broadcast of the last race, one of the commentators had a little segment where he went for a tour of the new Charlotte facilities
36 B747forever : Well let us take a look at the WDC standing for this season between Kimi and Hamilton: 05 Lewis Hamilton 49 06 Kimi Räikkönen 48 Only a single poin
37 Cornish : Trulli is being linked with joining Mike Gascoyne at Lotus (who he has driven for at Toyota, Renault and jordan in past). Glock is expected to sign f
38 LTU932 : Perhaps Goodyear could return? They did have a monopoly in F1 themselves for some time over 10 years ago, before Bridgestone came in. Personally, I w
39 EZEIZA : But you have to consider the car he drove. Kimi made the best out of a terrible F60. LH had an amazing second part of the season, but he was nowhere
40 Scbriml : I would dispute the Ferrari was quite as bad as you're claiming. It was arguably better over the season as a whole than the McLaren. Massa was comfor
41 Post contains links ScrubbsYWG : http://www.forumula1.net/2009/f1/f1-...ms-u-turn-signals-the-end-of-kers/ http://paddocktalk.com/news/html/mod...id=122240&newlang=&topic=8&catid=0 W
42 Tiger119 : - How about the USGP? I would probably go to the race (again) if they would return to IMS. Look at all the money they put into the place just to have
43 LTU932 : Why not go somewhere else for the United States Grand Prix? Why not return to Laguna Seca or any of those closed street circuits that are used in Ind
44 Tiger119 : - Montreal? I could probably manage to go. David
45 LTU932 : AFAIK yes, Montreal.
46 Bill142 : Yes. They switched their focus to Williams after McLaren signed up Vodafone. Well there you go. I stand corrected. Shows how much attention I pay. I
47 Sudden : And in a couple of years the same thing can probably be said about Yas Marina. If it's not because of Bernie, it will probably be some other reason.
48 Bill142 : I'm wondering how long before Bahrain, China, Turkey and other races with low crowds get the boot in favour of green fields races in other parts of t
49 StealthZ : I wonder how long before the F1 world realise that kowtowing to Bernie and racing at these palaces of excess in locations with almost zero interest in
50 Cornish : I agree completely. There was no doubt that Massa was outperforming Kimi prior to his accident - both this season and last. Kimi did step up to the p
51 Codeshare : Well its rather local culture and religion, so it has to be respected. Diageo still looks OK on the cars. Anyway anybody miss the tobacco sponsors? P
52 StealthZ : Certainly the fees Herr Tilke makes from these projects will ensure he does not live out his life in the poorhouse. My question is, how does he get a
53 Sudden : In regards to Turkey I must say that at least the track is great with some great highspeed corners and elevation. But if the fans stay away, it makes
54 Bill142 : Here in Australia the Theraputic Goods Acts prohibits the direct advertisement of prescription medicines. I believe it's also the same in the EU. So
55 CXB77L : Then call me a blinkered Kimi fan. Raikkonen has already shown throughout his years with McLaren that when the car is right, he is one of the fastest
56 Cornish : Oh i don't disagree that when the car is right he CAN BE one of the fastest and most talented drivers on the grid - as he proved at McLaren in the pa
57 Post contains links Cornish : Big decision day coming up for whether Toyota continues or withdraws from Formula 1 at the end of this season. http://www.crash.net/f1/news/154360/...
58 Sudden : I can see 2 camps here, and both camps have valid reasons for their opinions. So lets wait and see what will happen. What I do know, if Kimi goes to
59 Codeshare : At least McLaren is sponosored by Diageo so Kimi will have something for the party The S.Korea track, designed by our favourite engineeer, lloks like
60 Boeing74741R : Don't let facts get in the way of MadameConcorde's personal agenda against Kimi Raikkonen. Ferrari do have a better track record of managing drivers
61 Sudden : The one and only. A new team like Campos can probably make use of someone like de la Rosa cause of his knowledge from all his years in F1. Aim for th
62 Scbriml : Yes, "on his day" is the key here. My main criticism of Raikkonen is that "his days" are far less frequent than they used to be. Indeed, in two full
63 ScrubbsYWG : i would like to say that i truly believe this year's ferrari was a dog of a car. it was udder crap. Kimi got the best out of it. The other drivers, wh
64 Tiger119 : - Yas Marina or Indy? Yas Marina looked pretty nice on television and the websites I have seen! - My vote does not count but I would say yes, time ha
65 ScrubbsYWG : i am still, totally, of the camp that should be slightly worried about what is ahead of f1 when bernie either retires or dies. He is honestly the only
66 StealthZ : Well the F1 world is waking up today(in Europe anyway, we Antipodeans are having dinner) to the news that yet another manufacturer is pulling out of F
67 Bill142 : That's the rumor which in this business often turn out to be true.
68 Post contains links MIAspotter : Not good news. Quoting BBC. Toyota is to hold a press conference at 0800 GMT on Wednesday amid reports that it is to quit Formula 1. Japanese media cl
69 Post contains links Bill142 : News now official. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80003
70 Codeshare : So that leaves the door open for Sauber. KS/codeshare
71 GrahamHill : Excellent!! Now they will stop being ridiculous and they will probably come back to Le Mans. That's all I care about
72 MadameConcorde : FOFA: There's likely to be an official confirmation soon that Toyota is withdrawing from Formula 1 with immediate effect! I am sad, sad, sad... I will
73 StealthZ : And Formula 1 is returning to the garagistas.. and that is a good thing!
74 GrahamHill : "garagista"? What does it mean?
75 MIAspotter : Hmm... He was a character, and could sometimes spring a surprise or 2 Not going to be missed at all... He has some talent and potential, I hope some
76 Cornish : I agree. It refers to all those teams that across the history of the sport have existed purely to race - such as Williams - rather than manufacturers
77 StealthZ : Garagista was the term that Enzo Ferrari used for the independant, (mostly) British teams that built their own chassis.. in most cases, sometimes the
78 GrahamHill : Thanks both, for your answers I agree with that Yes, that is a time I miss a lot.
79 Cornish : and you can reminisce about Ligier too and its not just Willams. McLaren were very much one of those teams too.
80 GrahamHill : True! Laffite almost won the WDC with Ligier back in the 80s. I remember Footwork, Simtek, Forti, Pacific, Fondmetal, Dallara, Larrousse... They were
81 StealthZ : True the teams you mentioned were largely to fill the grid, overfill actually as there was prequalifying to see who could even make it to free practi
82 MadameConcorde : I remember the days of the garagistas. Tyrrell... 6 October 1973 - US Grand Prix A horrible crash. So greatly missed RIP François Cevert
83 GrahamHill : Yes, a great loss for F1. Not only he had class, but he was also very quick and could have won a WDC.
84 MadameConcorde : François Cevert lived rue du Chateau in Neuilly. I was in high school nearby. A good class mate lived in the same building as him at the time. This
85 Sudden : The Footwork Hart. I loved the look of that car. And it sounded so nice. Memories! Aim for the sky! Sudden
86 Cornish : hmm well Footwork was just what Arrows was called for a couple of seasons - another of the long term garagistas - born out of another 70s name Shadow
87 StealthZ : Huge loss, I have been involved in this sport for nearly 40 years, at many levels, fan, photographer, crew, official, even at one point sponsor. Seen
88 Post contains links GrahamHill : Interesting! You must have plenty of stories and anecdotes to tell us! Probably Senna? As far as I'm concerned, I was too young for the others. Conce
89 MadameConcorde : François Cevert was married to Jean-Pierre Beltoise's sister, Jacqueline. The other Beltoise sister, Corinne, also very much involved in sports, die
90 Boeing74741R : What about Continental? Nobody's mentioned them yet. As for Toyota's withdrawal. I honestly think this isn't surprising considering they were probabl
91 GrahamHill : So after the withdrawal of Toyota, the "official" manufacturers are: - Ferrari - Renault - Mercedes (with McLaren) Not much left! And imagine if Renau
92 Post contains links T1210s : Renault may be going too http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8343221.stm
93 LTU932 : I don't think Continental wants to get involved in F1. They may be pretty content with being involved in sponsoring in football. Somehow this may mea
94 MadameConcorde : FOFA Wow! I step outside to the busy street from my office and now there's Renault situation. It's definitely not the end of Formula 1 but we're back
95 StealthZ : I may be splitting hairs but I tend to devide the "garagistas" into two pretty distinct groups. Firstly you have the traditional teams, Tyrrell, Lotu
96 StealthZ : Toyota and Concorde. What a meaningless waste of paper that is, signed only a few weeks ago with a commitment to compete until 2012. What is a contrac
97 Bill142 : Contracts in F1 have been worthless for a long time. They mean nothing to the parties involved as everyone ends up screwing each other for their own
98 Sudden : Kubica already signed for Renault, didn't he? I mean, Renault had promised him that they would be on the grid at the start of next season. So if not,
99 StealthZ : Agree with all you said about F1 contracts but BMW actually did the right thing and did NOT sign the 2009 Concorde agreement, announcing shortly befo
100 MadameConcorde : I understand that some manufacturers like Ferrari have money to continue in F1 and some others have sponsors, like Brawn, Red Bull, Toro Rosso, McLare
101 Bill142 : The sponsors they sign up? Its harder these days to find sponsors who are interested. Back in the day of the Garagista, all you had to do was go find
102 StealthZ : Interesting question but with only 2 engine suppliers and a design freeze there could be economies of scale that might help bring about the cost redu
103 Post contains links Sudden : He had a predecessor!!?? I guess I have selective memory then if he actually had. Ferrari's opinion in regards to the pull outs. http://www.autosport
104 Bill142 : No doubt that would be the case. But, do they A) have the infrastructure in place or B) How long would it take to get that infrastructure if your ans
105 Cpd : Brabham didn't stay like that for long. They became one of the teams always finding ways to exploit the rules. Like a cooling fan that miraculously a
106 StealthZ : Agreed but they were doing it as a race team not the offshoot of some corporate marketing department, even in their later years under Ecclestone. Man
107 Cornish : They are already very much there. They are behind the Mercedes engines from when Mercedes purchased the company. Ilmor special projects then got boug
108 StealthZ : Agreed, should have elaborated, I was referring to the company that is now Ilmor Engineering not the entity that is now Mercedes-Benz High Performanc
109 Post contains links Cpd : Could be. If it can do road-car engines as good as this new M838T McLaren engine is supposed to be (and they are promising some staggering milestones
110 Post contains links L410Turbolet : Renault might follow Toyota and drop out of F1 as well. http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SPORT/11...rt.renault.formula.exit/index.html The French manufactu
111 Waterpolodan : They built a great car, but unfortunately they built it at the wrong time. The economic downturn of the early 1990s was lingering and the car never s
112 Bill142 : I'd suspect that Mercedes barred Iilmor from getting into F1 as an engine constructor as a condition of the purchase. McLaren are probably looking to
113 Codeshare : " target=_blank>http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SPORT/11....html This sucks big time. And they are waiting until the end of the year. If they were to pul
114 GrahamHill : It's going from bad to worse! But it's not really surprising as Ghosn never liked F1 anyway.
115 MadameConcorde : Didn't Renault say earlier this year that if Toyota withdrew from F1 they would also leave?
116 StealthZ : C'mon Carlos s&^t or get off the pot! Renault's procrastination is the kind of corporate BS that drives people away from the sport. How many workers,
117 Bill142 : No French GP, no French tyres and no decent French Drivers. Why would Renault want to stay on in F1. And poor old Robert Kubica must be having his la
118 GrahamHill : I don't think it's related. Renault does not need to get known on the French market. They are more interested in other European or extra-European mar
119 Sudden : For a big a part I think it also has to do with the crashgate. Renault might not have any major sponsor that wants to partner up with them, and to buy
120 L410Turbolet : I might be wrong, but I do not see any benefit for car makers such as Toyota, Honda or Renault to promote themselves through F1 considering what port
121 Sudden : And any customer who saw a Toyota winning a rally would be just as stupid if they bought a Toyota for the same reason as the one who buys a Megane be
122 L410Turbolet : Certainly I see the part of the picture where the knowledge got somehow mysteriously lost "en route" from the pitlane to the assembly line and/or "dr
123 T1210s : Kimi Raikkonen stands to make more money in 2010 if he takes a sabbatical. Germany's Auto Motor und Sport reports that if the Finn accepts McLaren's c
124 Sudden : To come on here with a sarcastic attitude doesn't work well on me, so lets stay mature. Not too much to ask for I would say. You wrote that you found
125 Sudden : Obviously Ferrari don't want him to race for Mclaren cause he could be a threat to Massa and Alonso! Makes me wonder if Ferrari made Raikkonen sign t
126 Post contains links T1210s : http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/091106091155.shtml english http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/f...d-fuer-ein-jahr-pause-1452810.htm
127 Codeshare : In a specific category: take the folks who buy Subaru Imprezas or Lancer Evo VIII the WRC has an impact, but that's a small percentage of potential b
128 Bill142 : I think with Renaults recent development, they're probably in contact with his management. I have my doubts about Raikkonen going to McLaren.
129 Sudden : If Raikkonen is to take a sabbatical, he will never be back in F1 again. It's the same thing as saying that he leaves the sport. It also says in the a
130 Bill142 : He was their protege once upon a time.
131 Cornish : He also outscored Kubica over the season. Heidfeld is a very underrated driver. He's not called Quick Nick in the sport for nothing. He's Mr Consista
132 Sudden : As a no. 2 yes, to bring home the WDC no. He is great in the rain though, and I can see him outperform Hamilton in those conditions. Now I don't agre
133 Cornish : And that's why he could be a good signing. It would be Hamilton's job to win McLaren the WDC, not Heidfeld's. Heidfeld could certainly make the diffe
134 Sudden : Lets say both are good in the wet. To be frankly honest with you, I think Heikki is better of driving the forklift then the F1 car. We know Kimi can
135 Cornish : If it was me, I'd go down the pay by results route for Kimi. Its been done in the past with certain other top drivers who's motivation has been quest
136 Bill142 : No they're not. Everytime I play F1CE on my playstation, either Ide or Sato crash into me or cut me off. I don't know how many times I've lost races
137 Sudden : How about crash test dummy David Coulthard? Aim for the sky! Sudden
138 Bill142 : Yeah he's come into my line and taken off my front end a few times.
139 GrahamHill : I'm 30 today lads!! I think it's too late to become a F1 driver...
140 MadameConcorde : You can get the Large Hadron Collider to turn back the time. Happy Birthday... you are back to 21!
141 Sudden : And in a couple of days we will see a topic dedicated to his 2000 posts. Oh, and by the way, Happy Birthday! Aim for the sky! Sudden
142 GrahamHill : Thank you For the LHC, I'm not sure I would want to go inside
143 EZEIZA : Happy birthday! I'm going to be 33 next month so I can say that you are still young lol!
144 Speedbird174 : How does an all British team sound? I mean this being McLaren Mercedes, obviously keeping Lewis as their number 1 then (as speculated) putting Jenson
145 Shamrock321 : Buemi confirmed at Toro Rosso for next year.
146 Sudden : I don't seeButton go to Mclaren to be honest. I think he will stay for at least another year with BGP. To have Ross Brawn behind you does add extra s
147 LTU932 : Plus there is the persistent rumour that Brawn GP may become the new "Silberpfeile", as there is a possibility that McLaren's cooperation with Merced
148 Bill142 : I don't think it will be as easy for Mercedes to get out of the McLaren gig as some think. You have to remember that they own 40% of the team. Thats
149 Codeshare : Apparently Ross Brawn said that Mercedes will not buy-in, so maybe problem solved. And Reanult could need 30M Euros to close the budget of around 200M
150 Post contains links StealthZ : Ah the circus that is Flavio Briatore continues, He is not only demanding the FIA lift his lifetime ban but seeking 1,000,000 Euros compensation for d
151 GrahamHill : Thanks EZEIZA! You're the same age of my brother Maybe he has not finished reimbursing his yacht...
152 Sudden : Reputation can not be messured in money you dumb a$$!!! I can't see how even dares to play the victim here. Hope it goes to court so he can make an e
153 GrahamHill : To Flavio, everything can be measured in money. That's probably why he is a friend of Bernie
154 EZEIZA : It might be something more of the "if I'm going to fall I'm taking everyone else with me" approach. In that case, I couls almost agree with him that
155 Post contains links StealthZ : Briatore says FIA hearing was 'a sham' http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80148 He may be right but he has benefited greatly in the past from
156 Bill142 : Just like every FIA hearing.
157 T1210s : Briatore's an idiot Renault didn't contest the charges and he quit before the hearing which in itself has to be seen as an admission of guilt, how he
158 Post contains links BlueElephant : 157 Replies and I have been too busy at the office to chime in! Hello All!!! Hope everyone is well...Grahamhill Belated Happy Birthday mate. some Inte
159 StealthZ : I accept this is not confirmed as yet but assuming it eventuates I fail to see what benefit the parochialism of such a move brings to the company. A
160 GrahamHill : Thanks BlueElephant! So what about McLaren now? Will Mercedes have the same level of implication with McLaren as for the last 14 years? Or will McLar
161 ScrubbsYWG : i cannot see a team consisting of heidfeld and rosberg being all that great, sorry.
162 Cornish : both are good drivers, but neither are great drivers. Much more sense would be to pair Heidfeld with Hamilton at McLaren and Rosberg with Button at B
163 BlueElephant : Based on the BBC article, McLaren will buy back the 40% share that Mercedes owned, the company will then receive and retain sponsorship and free engi
164 LTU932 : It looks more like Rosberg and Button will drive for Mercedes GP, while Hamilton could still be joined by Räikönnen at McLaren.
165 Bill142 : McLarens logo is on the car. As the contructor it's required to be there. It's just very small, and sits right on the tip of the nose below the Merce
166 Sudden : Hm, it sure can't get worse as Heikki has not really put his name on the top of the list among wanted drivers. Me neither as Heidfeld, as mentioned b
167 Post contains links Dano1977 : The Rumours get stronger. Button has signed for McClaren on £6million 3 year deal. http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009...nson-button-joins-mclaren-c
168 Post contains links Sudden : Glock confirmed to drive for Manor next season, http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/11/10222.html Good to see that he has a drive for next sea
169 Aerobalance : JB will troll around with his money trying not to get killed in the McLaren as he now has a championship legacy to back him up through his life. LH wi
170 Sudden : Care to elaborate on that? How on earth can it be bullshit to opt for full backup from Mercedes!? To me that looks more like Brawn is securing the fu
171 Aerobalance : Just as it says... Sure, don't preach loyalty, there is no loyalty in business without money, don't exchange one for another. Loyalty was the issue I
172 Post contains links BlueElephant : http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80187 Kimi to take Sabbatical in 2010!!!! This undoubtedly means Button will sign with McLaren.
173 StealthZ : I am struggling with Mercedes not wanting a winning driver on the team. There is the well accepted theory that they want a German team despite Haug's
174 ScrubbsYWG : i can only assume the long term plan for mercedes would be to get Vettel at some point, or at least i assume that is a goal. He is by far the best ger
175 Sudden : And also that Kimi will be out of the sport for good. This sabbatical-year-off bull$hit is the same as saying that he is leavng the sport for good. I
176 Bill142 : Not Lotus. That's what Mike Gascoyne thinks anyway. The desire to have an all German team might end up like Alain Prosts dream of an all French team.
177 MIAspotter : Ok, Time to update the list. Legend: TBA = To Be Announced In brackets = Not confirmed / Rumour Mercedes GP. (Formerly Brawn) Driver 1: TBA (Nico Rosb
178 Bill142 : Jumping the gun on the Button annoucement aren't you? or do you know something we don't?
179 MIAspotter : I have not been following F1 news that much recently... I thought he was close to a deal but nothing comfirmed yet, so, yes sorry I jumped the gun. T
180 Cornish : Plenty of top line drivers have taken sabbaticals and returned later. In the cases of Prost and Lauda they came back and won world championships afte
181 NA : Sad that Kimi is out of F1 in 2010. He might have become a bit tired after he won the title with Ferrari in 2007, but he still is one of the top 5 dri
182 Post contains links BlueElephant : Don't hate on the fellow...it is confirmed--BUTTON TO JOIN MCLAREN http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80197 Button to Join Hamilton in 2010
183 GrahamHill : True, although the Germans have more talented drivers, more money and more power to build something decent. Prost was just an independant who struggl
184 EZEIZA : It's sad to see kimi leave actually. I agree that he is one of the best on the grid and it would have benn nice to have him next season, which by the
185 MadameConcorde : Hi all, I have been away from the news due to a broken leg with torturous pain. Thank you for posting the complete/latest teams update. McLaren will
186 MIAspotter : No Problems. Here's to a speedy recovery! Hopefully something good! I want to see the # 1 on a red car again! (Either Felipe's or Fernando's) I forgo
187 NA : Button-Rosberg would have been great. I also dont like the prospect of two German drivers in one team called Mercedes. We are not in the year 1935. T
188 EZEIZA : wow, that's two injuries in a few months! take care MC!
189 StealthZ : I don't see Haug or Zetsche's comments on Monday as paying any more than lip service to the fact that the Brawn/Button negotiations were still on the
190 Boeing74741R : To be fair though, it wouldn't surprise me if he took a step back after achieving any driver's main goal and that is to win the WDC. I think he's had
191 Sudden : I guess it would have been an option for Kimi to go to Brawn now with Mercedes backing them up. But yeah, if Brawn can't afford to keep Button, they
192 ScrubbsYWG : reports out of brazil are saying kimi has signed with mercedes... silly season is not done yet. In a way, i think with mercedes coming on board, and b
193 Sudden : Lets keep the tires warm and the revs up and see what this might lead to. You have a source from where this came from in Brazil? Aim for the sky! Sud
194 Post contains links ScrubbsYWG : here is an article saying it is sportv: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...konen-to-race-for-mercedes-in-2010 article in portuguese: http://coluna
195 Post contains links StealthZ : And it is getting sillier.... http://www.smh.com.au/drive/motor-ne...ercedes-f1-team-20091119-inm2.html Funnily enough I recall a statement from Merc
196 Post contains links ScrubbsYWG : haha OMG! i have read posts on other forums saying they think hakkinen will be coming back too! He always had a close connection with Mercedes. Can yo
197 Post contains links Sudden : Robertson, Kimi's manager, has spoken to media about the whole Mercedes-Kimi rumor going on at the moment. So this means that Mercedes are in talks wi
198 Bill142 : Sounds like they're talking to everyone about it. I've been talking to them about the drive too. Apparently my lane swapping a long the M25 in London
199 Sudden : Who was your mentor? D.C, Ide, or maybe Piquet junior as he knows how to do it right? Aim for the sky! Sudden
200 StealthZ : Reports in various media indicate that Ross Brawn and Nick Fry have turned quite bitter over Button's move to McLaren. Reading between the lines of th
201 Sudden : I would also say it's a matter of prestige. They won both titles, but their car will not carry any signs of it as Button takes the no.1 with him. Aim
202 Post contains links T1210s : Michael Schumacher is poised for a sensational return to Formula 1 with the new Mercedes team, according to BBC Sport pundit Eddie Jordan. http://news
203 MIAspotter : But isn't Schumi still under contract with Ferrari as an advisor? unless Ferrari "Loan" him which I don't see it happenning. MIAspotter.
204 StealthZ : I tend to agree, Great to see?.. not so sure. Since this concept was raised a few days back I have been struggling to see any upside for anyone. Apar
205 Sudden : He is, but if you read the article it said that he was to have a talk with Ferrari to be released from that contract. I'm not sure what all this is s
206 GrahamHill : MS, back with Mercedes? It would bring the good old times from when he was part of the Junior Team Mercedes![Edited 2009-11-21 02:35:07]
207 Bill142 : Apparently the contract is up at the end of this year and Ferrari don't want him as an advisor anymore. So theoretically, he's free to go join Merced
208 Codeshare : I was away for some time and a lot has changed. J and L in one team. I think it's great for British fans, only if the situation with the British GP wa
209 Post contains links Cornish : Confirming what everyone already knew, Nico Rosberg was officially announced as a Mercedes/Brawn driver this morning. Autosport are still suggesting H
210 GrahamHill : I'm sure he is a good driver. He often did good qualifications, most of the times putting his car on the Top 6. Considering that the Williams was not
211 Codeshare : Rosberg signed. He does remind me of Heidfeld a bit, but better. Let's hope he will achieve something in the new team. KS/codeshare
212 Post contains links Sudden : Haug and Brawn on the Schumi comeback, http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80319 Lets for a second play with the idea that Schumi would return
213 Swissy : Well I guess he would give Rosberg a run for the , MS is a racer and he could finsih his journey with the legendary "Silver Arrow's", I believe Haug
214 Cornish : Well more romantically it means Schuey could go back "home" to the manufacturer where it all started for him and gave him his initial big chances in
215 MadameConcorde : Does anybody know what engines are going to equip the McLarens next season? Is it still Mercedes or it going to be Cosworth? Is Kobayashi going to fin
216 CXB77L : It will still be Mercedes. They have agreed to continue to supply McLaren and sponsor them until 2012, so next year's car will still be silver. Yes.
217 MadameConcorde : Thank you for your answers. The F1 geeks rumors in Monaco as of yesterday was that Kimi would drive for Brawn but these are only rumors. I am trying t
218 Codeshare : Try the bars maybe Schumi back would be OK, but again Montoya and Villeneuve also. In the meantime Kubica is crashing these Clios KS/codeshare
219 Sudden : Silly season is very much ongoing, so I think we just need to step back and be patient. But does it really make sense to bring back Schumi!? First of
220 StealthZ : FWIW, neither has anyone else!
221 Sudden : Point taken, but the specs from this season will follow in to next. So all drivers from this year know the cars. In regards to the specs., Are there
222 Aerobalance : One is no refueling allowed during the race...
223 StealthZ : I think the 2010 cars will be a significantly different beast, likely longer in the wheel base than 2009, this will affect cornering, aero and the ef
224 Cpd : Brawn doesn't exist. It is now Mercedes GP. And Eddie Irvine used to say that Schumi could drive a bread-van fast. And of course, he can - he adapts
225 StealthZ : And he has the traffic tickets to prove it... or was that a taxi?
226 Sudden : I should have known better. Thanks. He never got caught with the taxi, but the taxi driver got a lesson from his boss as he let someone else drive th
227 Post contains links Bill142 : Volkswagen considering engine supply from 2012. Long been rumored that Audi or Volkswagen would get in but this story is based on comments from Volksw
228 Post contains links Bill142 : Qadbak deal for BMW Sauber has fallen through. Peter Sauber will now buy the team on the condition that it gets an entry for 2010. http://www.autospor
229 GrahamHill : Sweet
230 StealthZ : This part I don't get, The FIA are playing games. Toyota has left the game, give the spot to Sauber and get on with it. If the FIA and FOM want to su
231 Sudden : When was the deadline for entry for 2010 actually? Still though, FIA should let them enter without any hassle. Will be nice to see Peter Sauber frequ
232 MadameConcorde : Hi all, it now seems clear that there will be no refueling during the races next season. I was thinking... there were rumors that the tunnels (like Mo
233 Sudden : If I'm not all wrong, this was decided some time ago now. And what would the reason be to divert from the current layout through the tunnel? Where do
234 Bill142 : This is the first I've heard of anything like this. I know the drivers didn't like the tunnel in Abu Dhabi, but never heard of anyone complaining abo
235 Shamrock321 : Indeed excluding the tunnel from Monaco would require a big detour! Any pictures or word on how our South Korean freinds are getting on with their tra
236 Sudden : For about 2 years ago(?) they changed the lighting in the tunnel to make it more easy for the drivers to adjust, and since then it has never been any
237 GrahamHill : Especially because it does not look to me like it was necessary. It's more a caprice from the architect (and/or the sleeping partners).
238 Bill142 : Well its another Tilke designed track. Construction only started in September and is due to be finished by July. Apparently it's in the middle of now
239 Post contains links Sudden : Sutil and Liuzzi confirmed for 2010, http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/11/10245.html Good to see Liuzzi back in full race mode. Aim for the
240 Bill142 : According to the 2010 entry list, Manor will race under the name Virgin Racing.
241 MadameConcorde : I will be happy that they keep the tunnel at the Monaco GP. So, how many teams now and who are their drivers? Are the lists definite? Has KK found a s
242 GrahamHill : There are rumours in France that he might go to WRC with Citroën.
243 MadameConcorde : A little bit on the side but still on topic, Felipe Baby is now Felipe Papa! Felipe's wife Raffaela gave birth to a 3.82kg baby boy. Mother and baby d
244 Post contains links and images Sudden : Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 243): A little bit on the side but still on topic We are after all F1 geeks, so I guess this counts as well. And the upd
245 Waterpolodan : Rumors mentioned in another thread link Schumacher to Mercedes GP once again, and this time he has done nothing to quell speculation, saying that his
246 Cornish : The other interesting rumour is that Kubica may well be released from his Renault contract and that Mercedes would then snap him up. That would be the
247 BlueElephant : But latest rumours suggest that Prodrive may buy Renault. So that'll be interesting to see. I wonder if anyone will get Toyota's spot. Does anyone kn
248 Post contains links BlueElephant : http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80429 Sauber team secures final Slot.
249 Waterpolodan : I wonder if BMW will still supply the engines? I can't imagine that they would, but all the articles I've read say that "BMW Sauber have secured Toyot
250 StealthZ : Normally one would expect the teams to launch their new cars at events during Jan/Feb but I believe FOM is trying to work with the teams to have a jo
251 Post contains links GrahamHill : Raikkonen leaves F1 to sign a contract with Citroën Racing in WRC!! http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80431 I'm sad and happy at the same t
252 MadameConcorde : Thank you for the Kimi updata. Maybe this is why I could not find him in Monaco. I hope he will be happy with his new occupation. He will be missed by
253 Cornish : I understand they are getting Ferrari engines - which could see Fisichella joining them as part of the deal, doing it alongside his Ferrari testing d
254 MadameConcorde : Is there any F1 cars testing going on at Jerez at the moment? Have any news filtered?
255 Post contains links Cornish : It also seems that more and more names are coming into the mix to take over Renault's team should they withdraw (which seems increasingly likely). Lat
256 Sudden : I second that. As he is backed by Red Bull, I would not be surprised to see him with RBR in the future.(?) Well, if he wants to return to F1 that is,
257 Bill142 : Prodrive would be the ideal solution. The other bidder is a Luxembourg based capital group and those guys are usually only interested in generating a
258 Post contains links GrahamHill : Silversone confirmed for the next 17 years! http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80466 This is good news! At least we have a British GP secured
259 Sudden : 17 years!!?? The Silverstone saga really switches from one day to the other. From scrapping it totally, to have a contract for another 17 years. I ho
260 Bill142 : I doubt it. But it looks as if they're going to do plenty of work since they now have MotoGP and F1. Which is actually good since the circuit had bec
261 GrahamHill : Hopefully not! I like these kind of old tracks. I've been there for the F1 GP in 2000. It rained the whole 3 days. We watched races with our butts on
262 Codeshare : I think the Arena version looks quite OK. Renault should announce the final decision next week apparently, and so is Mercedes.... I'm hoping for one t
263 Sudden : Well written. Schumi had his era, and Kubica has still a lot to give to the sport. If Schumi are to come back, as some do wish when reading another t
264 Post contains links GrahamHill : FIA is thinking of changing the points system. New system would be: 25 pts for the 1st 20 pts for the 2nd 15 pts for the 3rd 10 pts for the 4th 8 pts
265 Bill142 : Makes more sense than that stupid medals system Bernie was trying to et up earlier this year.
266 GrahamHill : I think we can all agree on that
267 Post contains links BlueElephant : http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8407138.stm Renault will appear in F1 next year, but the name and ownership is likely to change
268 Sudden : I would actually like to see FIA copy the US point system where the one who grabs pole also get points for doing just that. In my opinion that would
269 GrahamHill : Today, the FIA has approved the new points system. It will be applied as soon as 2010.
270 StealthZ : For interests sake... the 2009 top 10 scored using the 2010 points system 2010 Pos/points (2009) 1 Button 235.5 (1/ 95) 2 Vettel 203 (2/ 84) 3 Barric
271 CXB77L : Not another points system change ... I don't see any reason why the points system should be extended to allow more teams to score points. Despite not
272 Post contains links GrahamHill : According to the German newspapers Focus and Bild relayed by the French newspaper L'Equipe, Schumacher found an agreement with Mercedes GP for next ye
273 Post contains links Sudden : Hm, still not sure I'm a fan of this return. What's the need for him to return to F1 in the first place!? Also, I don't this he will be as superior a
274 NA : I dont like it should Schuhmacher return to F1 in a Mercedes. I know he started his career there but for me he is and like to remember him as a Ferrar
275 Post contains links Bill142 : Trulli and Kovalinen confirmed as Lotus drivers. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80563
276 MadameConcorde : Both excellent drivers, they certainly know what it's all about! About the "Lotus" team, if they get financed by Petronas and some of fthe wealthies
277 Sudden : I actually fail to agree on this as Kova has up until now not really showed that he knows what it's all about. He might serve well as a no. 2 driver,
278 MadameConcorde : He is certainly far far better than Romain Slowjean or Alguersurai or Luca Badoer!!
279 Bill142 : He didnt even do that. Lewis Hamilton practically brought McLaren up into 3rd from no where single handedly. IMO McLaren should have won both titles
280 Sudden : Not even a fair comparison MC. And if you look at both Romain's and Alguersurai's experience in F1 compared with, Kova is far ahead, plus the fact th
281 GrahamHill : I agree. Alguersuari and Grosjean had crap cars, probably the worst of the grid, while Kova had a car to win. And Kova did not show much, if not noth
282 Post contains links Cornish : Lucas di Grassi comfirmed at Virgin Manor F1 alongside Timo Glock. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80577
283 GrahamHill : Let me add something to this comment: he had the car to win during the second part of the season. Good! Another F1 promising talent in the arena!
284 StealthZ : Seems that Mercedes new role as an F1 team owner is not getting off to a good start. News is breaking of a possibly fraudulent sponsorship deal betwee
285 Post contains links LTU932 : http://www.sport1.de/de/formel1/formel1_fahrer/artikel_184865.html (German only) Rumours about Schumacher's comeback are becoming more and more persis
286 NA : Montezemolo said MS is no Ferrari family member anymore should he desire to drive for Mercedes. A bit bitter and I´m on the Conte´s side here. Shou
287 Sudden : Basically Montezemolo said that Schumi can not be contracted to 2 teams at the same time, and he would need to hand in his request to terminate his c
288 Post contains links GrahamHill : Renault stay in F1. Decision has been made public just minutes ago: http://www.renaultf1.com/en/_2009/te...#/team/newsdesk/communiques/22511/
289 StealthZ : Well I guess that takes Kubica off the market... reducing Mercedes options a little bit.
290 Codeshare : That depends. No one knows exactly what is in his contract. Good thing is that he won't be without a drive for 2010. KS/codeshare
291 Sudden : Good stuff! Renault belongs on the grid, and after 35 years in the sport, they have also had lots of success. And as you are French GrahamHill, congr
292 Post contains links Boeing74741R : Even though I am a Schumacher fan, I am in two minds about all this. On one side of the coin, I think it would be great for F1 and an opportunity for
293 Post contains links Bill142 : Looks to me like the most interesting fight of 2010 will be between Virgin Racing and Lotus. http://www.autosport.com/news/grapevine.php/id/80599 Koba
294 Codeshare : Not yet confirmed, but Bob Bell will not be Renault team boss. Apparently Alain Prost is favoured for the job. The saga continues... KS/codeshare
295 MIAspotter : Ok, lots of stuff happening recently on the world of F1. Time to update the list. Legend: TBA = To Be Announced In brackets = Not confirmed / Rumour M
296 Bill142 : Does anyone remember how his last team turned out?
297 Post contains links Cornish : This will make Madame Concorde a happy lady. Kobayashi has signed for Sauber for 2010. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80608
298 Post contains images GrahamHill : Thanks. Although I'm more a Peugeot fan boy than a Renault one, I support French manufacturers wherever they are. Think about it: we have a manufactu
299 MadameConcorde : " target=_blank>http://www.autosport.com/news/report...80608 Thank you for the wonderful news!!!! This is fabulous!!!! Time to celebrate!!! Sauber wi
300 Sudden : Will be interesting to see how he will manage over a whole season. He can be a driver to watch out for though. hahahaha........good one! Aim for the
301 MadameConcorde : Kobayashi no sushi! Kobayashi great driver! Kobayashi goes Sauber!! Go KK!!!!
302 Post contains links Sudden : Apparently Schumi is very close to finalize a deal with Merc.!? http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80623 Not sure what to think of it really.
303 MadameConcorde : I think it would be interesting to see Schumi back in F1. Not that I like Schumi, not, yet we will see if he is still as great a driver as people exp
304 Boeing74741R : It probably wouldn't surprise me if Santander said to both Ferrari and McLaren "right, seeing as we are sponsoring both of you, we would like one of
305 NA : Coulthard as test driver of a backrow team? Dindnt know that. As for Schumacher, everything Montezemolo said is that the most successful driver of al
306 MadameConcorde : Oh I agree! I think it will be interesting to have Schumi back on the race tracks unless it is another publicity staunt just the same as when he was
307 NA : Badoer and then Fisichella, the worst performing drivers Ferrari ever had in 60 years!
308 Post contains links Sudden : Mercedes Grand Prix will be sponsored by Petronas, http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80631 The silver and green will be a nice looking combi
309 Post contains links MadameConcorde : A Grand Prix in Rome? Proposals to host a race through the streets of the EUR district of Rome are well advanced and officials have said they hoped it
310 LTU932 : If they cancel the Indian and the Korean GP for it, and come up with a PROPER street circuit, then I'm all for a Grand Prix in the eternal city.
311 Waterpolodan : I think Schumacher coming back would be an excellent thing, for us as fans and for the sport in general. I'm a huge Ferrari fan and I wouldn't feel at
312 Sudden : Very true cause these 3 drivers were no. 2 drivers who had to give way for him. By the way, Is it just me who finds it strange that it boils down to
313 GrahamHill : I share your point of view
314 StealthZ : No it isn't. I thought that story was a crock back when he was up for Massa's seat. Think it is more BS now. He should have access to the best medica
315 Cpd : Schumacher will be in the Silberpfeilen, a deal has been reached according to latest news. About $11,000,000 per year.[Edited 2009-12-22 15:08:44 by c
316 EZEIZA : Schumi is back in action, but not with the proper team. As a Ferrari fan, I'm not sure how to feel. I'm happy one of the greatest drivers of all time
317 Post contains images Cpd : No betrayal - he's given many years of service to the red team. He brought them out of the dark times - and had input that resulted in wonderful cars
318 Springbok747 : Wow..big thread. Schumi coming back to race for Mercedes is great news, but as a Ferrari fan its a bit of a disappointment that he didn't come back wi
319 LTU932 : No, it is NOT good news. Schumacher is way past his prime and should rather give more space to young and hungry drivers than for himself. With this c
320 Post contains links BlueElephant : http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8427552.stm BBC Announcing that Schumi's return is official with the Mercedes F1 team with a 1
321 Sudden : Let it grow until the mods tell us to start part 2. So it's been made official then. Schumi to return. Not a fan at all of this to be honest. Raikkon
322 Bill142 : This Schumacher stuff is still merely speculation. Announcements have been imminent for weeks. Mercedes have indicated a January announcement for the
323 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Not anymore. Schumi has signed a one year contract with Mercedes. Michael Schumacher signs one-year deal with Mercedes to return to Formula One Micha
324 StealthZ : Has he really? Lot's of media talk about this but it all appears to be based on a single report in Bild. I guess further confirmation or denials will
325 Bill142 : There's no confirmation from Mercedes or Schumacher. Anyone can go around reporting stuff. Infact the News of Bill142 is reporting that Fangio is mak
326 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8427552.stm Michael Schumacher signs up for F1 return with Mercedes Go Hammy! Go Kamui! No Schu
327 StealthZ : Still only another story based on the original Bild article, not always the most credible source
328 Cpd : Wash your mouth out!! Tsk tsk tsk! This is going to be an interesting season. Finally we get a real driver instead of these boring robots.
329 MadameConcorde : Schumi is an old man. The youngsters will take the lead!
330 GrahamHill : Schumi IS a robot. Perfect lines all the time. Excellent driving skills but boring style. Some people who would bring energy and fun to F1 are driver
331 Post contains links DABVK : Here is the confirmation from Mercedes: http://www3.mercedes-benz.com/mbcom_...de.html#/series/1/news/id/217/text Now available in English: http://www
332 Post contains links Sudden : Agree! Irvine would fit right in there as well. "Good old times" Is there actually any news on the Villeneuve return? He was associated with US F1, r
333 Racko : Rosberg can't be too happy about this. If he's faster than Schumi it's because Schumi is old and to be expected, if he is slower he is getting slapped
334 Post contains links BlueElephant : I'm sure Rosberg knows he's going to be slower then Schumi...but look at Massa, it'll only make Rosberg better in the long run. http://www.autosport.
335 EZEIZA : it's actually the other way around; the poor Ferrari fans that can't show up with Schumi stuff. In any case, we will never forget his years in Ferrar
336 MadameConcorde : There will be them youngsters with rage in their bodies and minds... Hammy... Kamui... Vettel... to name only a f ew... driving great cars. Watch it
337 Boeing74741R : Come back to me on that one if Schumacher finishes higher than Hamilton in a race. As for the news, it'll be good to see Schumacher back. I do like F
338 MadameConcorde : There will be a few of them leaving him behind. Now let's wait... until we can actually see him driving his new car in Melbourne or is it Barhain whe
339 Sudden : That Schumi is coming back is just bad bad bad! Why? I have said it before but Rosberg will be delegated to no. 2 driver, most likely. Apart from that
340 Aerobalance : This is a big deal. Ferrari can't design a race winning car - all their past great minds are gone, their top people are now Italian and infighting wil
341 EZEIZA : I'm not understanding your point ...
342 KiwiRob : You forget that Fangio won his last Championship when he was 46, Schumacher will be 5 years younger at the start of the 2010 season. Besides if bunny
343 MadameConcorde : Oh this is quite a clever observation and so completely obvious. Although... there will not only be the McLaren and Mercedes teams fighting the fight
344 GrahamHill : True! But the G-Force that drivers were experiencing at the time was far less than the one today's drivers are experiencing on a modern F1 car. You r
345 Aerobalance : I agree with you on that, Red Bull is the wildcard in the mix - have they officially announced who their engine supplier is? How many engineers or de
346 MadameConcorde : Kamui Kobayashi must be very happy and excited about Schumi's come back to F1. Not only will he be able to overtake Jenson Button next season, he will
347 Post contains images Aerobalance : I enjoy your enthusiasm but I'm trying to figure how you think a driver in a car that doesn't have a chassis yet (will Sauber use last years car?), b
348 KiwiRob : The cars in Fangios day were very physical things to drive, no wings, no downforce, no assistance what-so-ever, plus if you made a mistake back then
349 Sudden : Yes, but a different story all together, and by no way related to GrahamHill's statement, which is very true. From your earlier posts it's clear that
350 MIAspotter : I am the biggest Michael Schumacher fan there is, but yet somehow I am not happy with his return... like the rest I feel that he should have raced for
351 GrahamHill : Touché!
352 Boeing74741R : To be honest, I don't buy into the "Schumi for Ferrari forever" argument here. If you remember, Schumacher was forced into making a decision to retir
353 Codeshare : Oh shoot! Juan Pablo, has anybody seen Juan Pablo ??? So be it, Alonso vs Schu vs Hami vs Button should be exciting to watch. KS/codeshare
354 Waterpolodan : Exactly how I feel. Saying he's had his day and should leave the racing to the younger generations is absurd- this is a sport, not a charity. If he i
355 StealthZ : Agreed and the races were longer, most around 500km. Having said that, There was only 7 rounds for Fangio to compete in.
356 Cpd : I could also list the Lotus Renault of Ayrton Senna, and perhaps the Lotus 78 as equally physical cars to drive. They were hard, nasty things. The Lo
357 LTU932 : But first they have to re-paint their cars silver. Thank god my Kia Spectra is Metallic Blue and has NO Ferrari or MB markings.
358 Sudden : I am indeed one of those who finds it better that he stays off the F1 track. Not to give way for the younger generation, but because he played faul a
359 Cpd : Only guilty of being caught, not guilty of anything else. Some other drivers have been very brazen as well (such as Senna) - but they seem to retain
360 EZEIZA : It's the Italian mentality that made Ferrari in the first place (and Alfa Romeo, or Maseratti, for example), so it can't be that bad. It's Italian me
361 Cpd : It's also the mentality that made the F348 and the Lamborghini Countach. While striking, we don't ultimately remember them as great cars. I have a fe
362 MIAspotter : A true Tifosi!! MIAspotter
363 EZEIZA : I had missed that part and you are completely right! Ferrari always comes first, no doubt!! And I will also go with Massa, but if half way the season
364 Bill142 : As long as the team wins. That's how I feel about McLaren. Not fussed which driver comes first, as long as it's a McLaren that does it.
365 Sudden : Do I dare to disagree!? I still think Massa is the bigger baby of the 2, and that Alonso is a much more complete driver then Massa. Alonso has 2 titl
366 EZEIZA : I completely agree. In fact, Alonso is one of the best and has been one of the best drivers for a few years now. It's the crying that bothers me Agai
367 Waterpolodan : True, it's going to be very strange cheering for Alonso at Ferrari after all my years of rooting against him at Mclaren and Renault. I hope that Mass
368 Post contains links Bill142 : Best man for the job or ferrari-isation of the FIA? http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80685
369 StealthZ : My first thought when I read the headline. Seems his role is outside the day to day regulation of F1 so perhaps he is the best man for the job.. or a
370 BlueElephant : Hey Guys, Hope you all had a great holiday and happy New Year... Quick question (some of our N.A. based followers may have a better idea) Where can i
371 Post contains links Waterpolodan : I've been to Montreal for the GP 10 times now so I have plenty of experience, let me copy and paste a post I put up on a racing forum for someone who
372 Waterpolodan : Another note that I didn't include in that original post is that general admissions tickets are a good deal cheaper but they require a lot of waiting
373 Bill142 : You can usually get tickets through Formula1.com
374 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Jenson Button appointed MBE and recognized with New Year honour. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8435197.stm His co-team mate Lewis Hamilton was ap
375 MIAspotter : Oh for the love of God... Silly mediocre driver wins a championship by mere luck and suddenly he is seen as the second coming in F1 MIAspotter.
376 Waterpolodan : That is more than a little debatable...
377 EZEIZA : I'm not sure if I would put it that way. I don't think he's mediocre, but he's not the best on the grid, not even close. IMO, All awards for the 2009
378 BlueElephant : I think Felipe Massa would have been a much more deserving champion then Jenson Button. That being said, I don't think it's mere luck...he had a fast
379 Waterpolodan : I'm trying to switch from 24 to 12 this year actually, if I do I can meet up with you and share some of my beer cooler I've got plenty of info so feel
380 Sudden : Guys/gal, I wish you and your family a prosperous 2010! Not so sure to be honest. A car might have a great package, but if the driver doesn't know how
381 Post contains links Sudden : Button is now an officially Mclaren driver, http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80718 I'm still puzzled about how/why he was not able to reach
382 Bill142 : It would have all been over money. Button would have been commanding a world champions salary and Brawn didnt want to pay it.
383 Sudden : That's the thing, Brawn stated that money was not the issue why Button left. But well, what do we know really. Aim for the sky! Sudden
384 Bill142 : Maybe there was something else. The rumor the Kimi/McLaren deal fell apart was over sponsor appearances. Could have been the same deal with Brawn. Who
385 BlueElephant : This may sound slightly weird...but I think Button owed it to himself to prove he deserved to be champion. In his interview on Top Gear (which he los
386 MadameConcorde : de la Rosa and Kamui in the same team. This should be interesting. They are so different from each other. I wonder how Pedro will fare with KK. I hop
387 Bill142 : and I can see Kubica going "FFS.. not this guy again"
388 Sudden : It does indeed, but this is after all F1. Sounds like a risky business to change team just to prove himself, and I only hope it wont cost him to many
389 Post contains links GrahamHill : Briatore's ban has been cancelled by Paris court: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80743
390 Sudden : He might have won the case in court, but I dont think we will ever see him in F1, or anywhere else for that matter(?), again as no one will probably
391 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Schumi says he wants to be Formula 1 World Champion in 2010 for the 8th time. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8429186.stm "I ha
392 EZEIZA : I woudn't laugh that much .. he will be at worst among the title contenders.
393 Cornish : i think he'll want to come back and probably will. As for the issue of hiring, he doesn't need to be hired, he could actually buy into a F1 team if h
394 GrahamHill : Well, we should not underestimate his capabilities I'm not surprised by so much confidence (arrogance?). That's Schumacher alright.
395 Sudden : Even though he might have the funds to make his way back in to F1. Would any team welcome him you think? My personal feeling is not, but money makes
396 StealthZ : That is the absurdity of the whole debacle, Team owners who are in a position to commit the sins that Briatore made such a habit of are not subject t
397 MadameConcorde : Lewis Hamilton is a World Champion and his title was duly deserved. Now I want to see my friend Kamui do the same thing to Schumi that he did to Jens
398 Sudden : So? We could probably have a long discussion about that as well, but my point was not about if he deserved his title. It was all about experience whi
399 EZEIZA : Schumi is a seven-time world champion, and some of those championships were won without having the best car. Don't underestimate one of the greatest
400 GrahamHill : Just one year, in 1994. And then he did his "special" to secure the title. "A bit" Apart from Barrichello and Trulli, he is at least 10 years older t
401 Post contains links Bill142 : Briatore and Symonds have had their bans lifted. A french court has said the FIA have exceeded their authority as neither Symonds or Briatore hold lic
402 StealthZ : And the FIA are not impressed with the ruling and seem likely to appeal. I would have to agree, if they cannot sanction an employee of the licence ho
403 EZEIZA : just like Senna 10 years is nothing for a guy that has kept in shape during the entire time. I honestly can't believe that you are underestimating so
404 GrahamHill : True. Oh, I'm not underestimating his talent! I know he is one of the best - if not the best - drivers of F1 history. But I wonder about his current
405 EZEIZA : sorry about the misunderstanding then. I though you were underestimating him Madame C-style
406 CXB77L : I don't think anyone is denying that Schumacher is an extremely talented driver. What I do question is, at the age of 41 and with three full seasons
407 EZEIZA : it's a valid question, but if there's one guy that can get used to any car in no time, that's Schumacher We'll have to agree to disagree there I'd be
408 Bill142 : I had a look, but didn't see any posts! obviously going back a few hours isnt as thorough as going back a few days!
409 Post contains links MadameConcorde : The FOFA page has a link to one of Hammy's blogs with a stunning Mercedes SLS AMG video. This is the link where you can see the video. I love the engi
410 Post contains links Sudden : The crashgate is far from over says Mosley. For ones I hope he's right. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80758 Aim for the sky! Sudden
411 GrahamHill : Nice noise!! What a car!
412 Bill142 : I think Mosely should shut up and let the FIA and Todt do what they think is right. His comments sound as if he's controlling the FIA from afar. Mosl
413 Post contains links GrahamHill : Guys, we have reached more than 400 posts, so I have created a new F1 Off season thread here: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2 (by GrahamHill Jan 8 20
414 Sudden : On a K28 modem are we? hahaa....and let that be a lesson to you Mosley. I'm not a Briatore fan since the race-fix, so therefore I actually hope he's
415 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Just heard on the news that Bernie wants to buy Saab. I wonder if he intends to convert Saab into F1? Bernie Ecclestone joins bid to buy Saab Saab car
416 Post contains links Sudden : Double Diffuser to be banned from 2011. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80766 This I find odd as first the teams complain about it cause t
417 Post contains links SA7700 : This thread will now be locked for further discussion. Please feel free to continue discussing the topic in the following thread: F1 Off Season 2009/2
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