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Palestinian Homes Destroyed By Israeli Police  
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26354 posts, RR: 76
Posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2273 times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQLM9SrL7SI

Pretty sickening. Israel can never have the moral high ground when they do things like this.


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User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3416 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2248 times:
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Quoting N1120A (Thread starter):
Pretty sickening. Israel can never have the moral high ground when they do things like this.

And they do not care.



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User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2793 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

9000 Palestinians homeless - regardless of the politics or whatever, something needs to be done about this.

User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2038 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2182 times:

Well, I guess that spoils any chances for more peace negotiations in the near future.


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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8785 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2172 times:



Quoting N1120A (Thread starter):
Pretty sickening. Israel can never have the moral high ground when they do things like this.

Considering that they don't do it the Palestinian way (blowing up the buildings with the people still in them), I think they still have the high ground. The past few years with the much-maligned wall in place have allowed people to forget the crap that went on on a daily basis.



Back in the 90s I was quite pro-Palestinian. But over the past 10 years I have lost just about all my respect for those people, who keep getting chance after chance and blowing it every time.



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User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4460 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

I'd feel a lot more sorry for the palastinians if the houses weren't built without permits in the first place.

I understand that their is a beaurocracy and hipocracy going on in all places in the conflict, but if I built a house or deck on my property without permits, I'd expect the town/state/country to tear it down at their will.



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User currently offlineStarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2157 times:



Quoting CasInterest (Reply 5):



Quoting CasInterest (Reply 5):
I'd feel a lot more sorry for the palastinians if the houses weren't built without permits in the first place.

I understand that their is a beaurocracy and hipocracy going on in all places in the conflict, but if I built a house or deck on my property without permits, I'd expect the town/state/country to tear it down at their will.

I no longer have a side I support. The houses were built without permits because the Israelis won't issue them to Palestinians.

There is no high ground in that conflict.



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8021 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2135 times:



Quoting Starrion (Reply 6):

I no longer have a side I support.

Hear, hear. At this point, supporting either side is like choosing between chemotherapy or radiation - both will slowly destroy you with no guarantee of a positive outcome.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26354 posts, RR: 76
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2122 times:



Quoting TheCol (Reply 3):
Well, I guess that spoils any chances for more peace negotiations in the near future.

Yep. This is the huge problem I have with both sides. They just need to knock it off and talk. That actually worked for a while, and we got Dayton and some real progress out of it. That said, when you are the side with all the money and all the power, it should be easier to act rationally.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):

Considering that they don't do it the Palestinian way (blowing up the buildings with the people still in them), I think they still have the high ground.

Um, as opposed to launching mortars and rockets at buildings with people still in them?

Quoting Starrion (Reply 6):
The houses were built without permits because the Israelis won't issue them to Palestinians.

That is even less an issue than the fact that these were built before the Israeli government had any sort of sovereignty over the land.



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User currently offlineN537FX From Switzerland, joined Oct 2009, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

Seeing these houses destroyed is terrible. I know this won't mean much, but I recall reading some place that the number of Jewish owned houses that were demolished in the past year turned out to be quite a high figure as well. Well, the cycle continues.

Despite these troubles, Palestinians living under their own leaders are in bad situations. Arabs living it Israeli controlled areas of East Jerusalem and including Israel proper have it a bit better.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19369 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2106 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):

Considering that they don't do it the Palestinian way (blowing up the buildings with the people still in them), I think they still have the high ground.

The ground might be higher than that of Hamas, but I wouldn't call it "high."

This is disgusting, using bureaucratic bullcrap like this to destroy homes. This is how you make angry, young, Palestinian terrorists.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15713 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2103 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 8):
That said, when you are the side with all the money and all the power, it should be easier to act rationally.

But the side with all of the money and power can use the conflict to keep their money and power. The situation is almost at a stalemate and neither side seems likely to budge. The Palestinians have too many radicals in their ranks, the only way I see any progress is if they get a Ghandi or Martin Luther King type leader which isn't particularly likely.



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User currently offlineJM017 From Jamaica, joined Jun 2002, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2093 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):

Back in the 90s I was quite pro-Palestinian. But over the past 10 years I have lost just about all my respect for those people, who keep getting chance after chance and blowing it every time.

You and I are two sides of the same coin. I was very much pro-Israel, but find myself losing respect for them. Truth is, neither side seems interested in peace. I still believe in Israel's right to exist, but feel they could handle things differently. As for the Palestinians, well as was once said by Abba Eban, the Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.



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User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2072 times:



Quoting N1120A (Thread starter):
Pretty sickening. Israel can never have the moral high ground when they do things like this.



Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 1):
And they do not care.

you know whats sickening? Its that these homes are used for terrorism, on civilans and military.
Odds are in those homes were many weapons that were likely to be used on Israelis, did they show that? no.

I dont remember you guys saying thats sickening when in the early 2000's there were suicide bombs on Israeli buses or for the past 9 years the THOUSANDS of rocket attacks on israeli homes, was that sickening? And in thos cases no the palestinians didnt warn them they tried to kill them, the israelis do have morals and try to do WHATEVER they can to avoid cassulties, did the video show that?



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User currently offlineJM017 From Jamaica, joined Jun 2002, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2067 times:



Quoting A380US (Reply 13):
I dont remember you guys saying that's sickening when in the early 2000's there were suicide bombs on Israeli buses or for the past 9 years the THOUSANDS of rocket attacks on Israeli homes, was that sickening? And in those cases no the Palestinians didn't warn them they tried to kill them, the Israelis do have morals and try to do WHATEVER they can to avoid casualties, did the video show that?

Also true....No one can say the Palestinians are blameless here.

And the truth is, even if the Israelis gave up the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Shebba Farms, would there be peace? No. There are some Palestinians who demand nothing less than all of Israel, and some Israelis who believe in possession of the West Bank and who would never consent to the return of East Jerusalem. That's why I now believe there will never be peace. True peace may be possible if both sides disregard the extreme elements within them.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19369 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2054 times:



Quoting JM017 (Reply 12):

You and I are two sides of the same coin. I was very much pro-Israel, but find myself losing respect for them. Truth is, neither side seems interested in peace.

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I'm Jewish. Of course I was pro-Israel. It's sacrilege not to be! The Holocaust happened! Thus, Israel deserves to exist.

And Israel deserves to put Palestinians in ghettos in which they live in the 14th century, while the Israelis live next door in the 21st century.
And Israel deserves to knock down their houses.
And Israel deserves to be afforded big weapons.
And Israel deserves to deny the existence of their country, but also deny their Israeli citizenship.

It seems that Israelis are starting to act a lot like the Nazis who Israel keeps using as a justification for its actions.

I don't care that some Palestinians are so fed up with that they're fighting back. I know that they kill civilians with wanton abandon. But Jews, of all people, with all the lessons about the Holocaust that we learn from a young age, should know better than to behave in this manner. And I am disgusted with Israel.


User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2048 times:



Quoting A380US (Reply 13):
you know whats sickening? Its that these homes are used for terrorism, on civilans and military.
Odds are in those homes were many weapons that were likely to be used on Israelis, did they show that? no.

You have no evidence to support this claim.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26354 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2034 times:



Quoting A380US (Reply 13):
Its that these homes are used for terrorism, on civilans and military.

You just made that up. There is no indication that any of these homes have been used for terrorism. The Israeli government wants to change the demographics of East Jerusalem by force and also turn it into a tourist area. No more than 20% Arab? Sounds like Ethnic Cleansing to me.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
Of course I was pro-Israel. It's sacrilege not to be! The Holocaust happened! Thus, Israel deserves to exist.

I hope this is sarcastic. Using genocide and ethnic cleansing to justify...genocide and ethnic cleansing? Using racist, fascist "nationalism" centered around ethnic purity to justify...racist, facist "nationalism" centered around ethnic and religious purity? Those who buy into the concept of true representative, constitutional democracy founded on the bedrock of a secular, color blind government should never support the idea of any state being founded based on religious and ethnic grounds.



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2373 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2013 times:

I can't believe we have to start a thread every time something like this happens. Do we have to feel sorry for the Palestinians now more than before? No. It doesn't change anything. Next time, it is some Hamas people killing some Israeli civilians with their rockets, and the story goes on and on.

User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2793 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2008 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):

I hope this is sarcastic.

Don't worry - it is. Read the last sentence of DocLightining's post, which I fully agree with.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
But Jews, of all people, with all the lessons about the Holocaust that we learn from a young age, should know better than to behave in this manner. And I am disgusted with Israel.

Forcing people to have permits to pass through certain areas because they are Palestinian certainly will sound similar to treatment that Jews faced in the 1940's, so yes, Jews should know better than anyone that this type of behavior is unacceptable.

The situation has deteriorated to the level where both sides are committing horrendous crimes, and there is no moral high ground that can be found unless both sides are - yes, it's cliche - willing to come together in peace.


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2002 times:



Quoting Elite (Reply 19):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):

I hope this is sarcastic.

Don't worry - it is. Read the last sentence of DocLightning's post, which I fully agree with.

And it would indeed be interesting to see a detailed rebuttal of his position - with evidence and not bald unsubstantiated assertions. The Doc's of this world make you think it might be OK to be human.

It will be interesting to work more on which part of NO Mrs Clinton thinks should not apply in relation to this issue.


User currently offlineN537FX From Switzerland, joined Oct 2009, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1974 times:

Though I believe Israel policy to the Palestinians is just brutal at times, I don't think you can compare it to those who practiced genocide. Where are the killing factories shepherding Palestinans into? Have Israelis conducted detailed meetings and drafted official government statements planning out the deaths of the Palestinian people by killing them in a high speed way?

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19369 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1930 times:



Quoting Elite (Reply 19):

Forcing people to have permits to pass through certain areas because they are Palestinian certainly will sound similar to treatment that Jews faced in the 1940's, so yes, Jews should know better than anyone that this type of behavior is unacceptable.

Yeah, for some reason, Israel thinks that they are still taking the moral high ground as long as they aren't actually running concentration camps.

The Holocaust had started *long* before the first Jews arrived at the first concentration camps.

Quoting N537FX (Reply 21):
Though I believe Israel policy to the Palestinians is just brutal at times, I don't think you can compare it to those who practiced genocide. Where are the killing factories shepherding Palestinans into?

Why? Because they didn't do it the way the Germans do and carefully plan and organize the whole thing? Because it's not their stated position to end the "Palestinian Race"? Because there aren't death camps?

Israel is behaving in a manner that is reminiscent of, although not identical to, the Nazis. No, they haven't gone the whole hog and built gas chambers, but many of their policies towards Palestinians are shockingly similar to Nazi policies.

I don't use Nazi comparisons lightly. It just blows my mind that I would ever think it appropriate to apply it to Israel, of all countries.


User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1863 times:



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 16):
You have no evidence to support this claim.



Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
You just made that up. There is no indication that any of these homes have been used for terrorism. The Israeli government wants to change the demographics of East Jerusalem by force and also turn it into a tourist area. No more than 20% Arab? Sounds like Ethnic Cleansing to me.

I acctually have actually been told so by a number of israeli soldiers i know.
Including my very close friend who has told me countless stories of people trying to come through his Nablus checkpoint with people coming with grenades, guns, explosives and more! but i guess thats not evidence for you. I do understand i cant give you guys these facts but for me these are enough.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26354 posts, RR: 76
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1846 times:



Quoting A380US (Reply 23):

I acctually have actually been told so by a number of israeli soldiers i know.

Riiiiight. Just like they didn't get building permits from the Ottomans, so they are illegally there and Israel gets to destroy them and develop a tourist site.



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25 TheCol : Even though I can't confirm that specific account given by A380US, I've heard similar accounts by a number of Palestinians regarding other residences
26 DocLightning : Yes, because Israeli soldiers are a nice, unbiased source. And because no Israeli would ever be racist towards a Palestinian.
27 TheCol : Have you personally had conversations with a number of Israeli soldiers?
28 JFK69 : With all due respect, many many many of the Israeli soldiers would rather not be there but they understand the idea of securing their country. You ca
29 A380US : Wouldnt you agree that your biased with that statement??? I mean personally i have been attacked by people similar to this but they were lebanese in
30 SOBHI51 : If that is the case then the reason Israeli gov should give it as the reason for destroying the houses and not the lack of permits. So what you are s
31 Racko : Considering that you joined this site in 2007 and that your age group puts you between age 7 and 11 in the year 2000 I think it's not really surprisi
32 Baroque : I do however remember being told that the actions of Stern Gang and Irgun at an earlier time were just fine and no blot at all on the escutcheon of c
33 AlexEU : I don´t blame Israel. I blame the west for supporting Israel. When South Africa was doing similar things, the whole world has sanctioned them. Now th
34 A380US : Ok well thats not really how politics work. Weather the public finds out or not Israel, the USA and pretty much everycountry in the world operate spe
35 Aero145 : If you look at it from an, let’s say, old Palestinian’s point of view, whose wife and children were killed by an air strike from the Israelis man
36 A380US : Ya but in 1948 they were given the option for their own state, but denied it.
37 SOBHI51 : What option? Instead owning you country you get half of one, then the other side will bring thousands and thousands of people from all over the world
38 A380US : O ya how about all the other countries in the area that for years brought thousands and thousands of soldiers to try and destroy Israel????? There we
39 SOBHI51 : Settle on what ground? It is not there land to start with. Did not know that you can import soldiers. Also This is a good one. Israel can prove those
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