NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1506 times:
I know MSNBC has gone off the cliff and their ratings are lower than David Lee Roths radio show on KROCK but I am watching Rachel Maddow now and on the eve of what could be a bad day for the DNC she is bringing Palin again into the mix. I mean VA is basically a done deal but if they lose NJ the DNC will have to wonder if the GOP may be gaining some momentum. Of course Corzine really needs to lose. He has been terrible as governor and has waged a really low campaign since the polls show he is in a dead heat. I expect neither him or Christie to concede and a recount is a definate possibility. So instead of Rachel bringing to light the fact that NJ has given the DNC a shot and it isn't working she attacks the GOP by saying the fact Palin hasn't visited and supported either GOP candidate to mean something along the lines of showing a rift within the party. I mean does this women really believe this? Does she hate Palin that much so as to totally disregard the fact that Obama made how many trips to support Corzine and he may lose? Which would be devastating and has nothing to so with Palin. Tomorrow is going to be some ride. Strap yourselves in. 10 will get you 100 if Corzine loses it will be because of Rush or Hannity spreading lies and something with Palin too. I mean I am glad I tune into MSNBC sometimes because if you told me they said some of this I wouldn't believe it.
ArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3314 posts, RR: 19 Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1490 times:
All these people on every network want to be entertainers. They have settled for news TV because they can operate under the guise of integrity while being entertainment figures. They have a tinge of journalistic integrity but the fact at the end of the day is they are after ratings. If the ratings are bad enough they will be gone.
Flighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 6712 posts, RR: 3 Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1485 times:
Rachel Maddow is just a blowhard. She uses the exact same devices as the shock jocks on the right. It's a shame because she could be more classy than they are.
NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1466 times:
Quoting Flighty (Reply 2): It's a shame because she could be more classy than they are.
I love it, now on countdown they are trying to make hay out of the GOP candidate in upstate NY withdrawing from the race in the house. Ok, so you ignore the governor race in NJ and make some obscure district in upstate NY your lead story? Yea MSNBC your not in denial. I tell you I would give anything for Christie to win tomorrow. That would be good. Just to see what MSNBC blames it on.
Cws818 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1021 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1452 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter): I know MSNBC has gone off the cliff and their ratings are lower than David Lee Roths radio show on KROCK but I am watching Rachel Maddow now and on the eve of what could be a bad day for the DNC she is bringing Palin again into the mix.
Palin brought herself "into the mix" with her endorsement in the New York 23rd District race.
WarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6225 posts, RR: 8 Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1450 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 3): I love it, now on countdown they are trying to make hay out of the GOP candidate in upstate NY withdrawing from the race in the house. Ok, so you ignore the governor race in NJ and make some obscure district in upstate NY your lead story? Yea MSNBC your not in denial. I tell you I would give anything for Christie to win tomorrow. That would be good. Just to see what MSNBC blames it on.
There is a simple way to avoid this, do not watch anyone involved in this type of show, Left or right. Watch a legitimate news source, not an entertainment show. They are all blowhards, and shit stirrers. Countdown? Hannity? Rush? Maddow? Not worth watching. Hardly Bi-Partisan.
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Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1437 times:
Quoting Cws818 (Reply 4): Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):
I know MSNBC has gone off the cliff and their ratings are lower than David Lee Roths radio show on KROCK but I am watching Rachel Maddow now and on the eve of what could be a bad day for the DNC she is bringing Palin again into the mix.
Palin brought herself "into the mix" with her endorsement in the New York 23rd District race.
I was going to say the same thing.
Amazing you find Rachel Maddow so hard to handle, when, at the same time, you don't seem to mind loudmouths like Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck.
NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1435 times:
Quoting Cws818 (Reply 4): Palin brought herself "into the mix" with her endorsement in the New York 23rd District race.
Ok so Obama not only endorsed Corzine but made how many trips to NJ? Much bigger race and DNC is in real danger of losing that election which would have a major impact on the future of the DNC controlling congress and the WH. Let's talk about a former Gov in a non issue election in the sticks. Fair and balanced. Oh wait now we are talking about Cheney and if he is guilty of perjury. Where does the madness end? I can't wait to see the election coverage tomorrow. Should be fun. Cue the rigged voting from 2004!
JM017 From Jamaica, joined Jun 2002, 1189 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1427 times:
Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 5): There is a simple way to avoid this, do not watch anyone involved in this type of show, Left or right. Watch a legitimate news source, not an entertainment show. They are all blowhards, and shit stirrers. Countdown? Hannity? Rush? Maddow? Not worth watching. Hardly Bi-Partisan.
None of these people are credible journalists. But they try to portray themselves at just that. I would find it amusing, but too many people take their opinions as facts, not commentary.
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6): Amazing you find Rachel Maddow so hard to handle, when, at the same time, you don't seem to mind loudmouths like Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck.
Lots of folks have this problem. Which is sad, really. It would be cool to have some truly impartial news analysis.
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WarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6225 posts, RR: 8 Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1411 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6): Amazing you find Rachel Maddow so hard to handle, when, at the same time, you don't seem to mind loudmouths like Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck.
Quoting JM017 (Reply 8): Lots of folks have this problem. Which is sad, really. It would be cool to have some truly impartial news analysis.
It never ceases to amaze me, how intelligent people swallow this junk as real news, it is, what do they call it? Yellow Journalism. The TV version. It is sad to see how many devotee's of this garbage exist..
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Tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5188 posts, RR: 10 Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1377 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter): Of course Corzine really needs to lose. He has been terrible as governor and has waged a really low campaign since the polls show he is in a dead heat. I expect neither him or Christie to concede and a recount is a definate possibility. So instead of Rachel bringing to light the fact that NJ has given the DNC a shot and it isn't working she attacks the GOP by saying the fact Palin hasn't visited and supported either GOP candidate to mean something along the lines of showing a rift within the party.
MSNBC ratings truly reflect the content being conveyed. Its low quality, and like fox news too bias to really take seriously. For instance I watch Keith Olbermann as a joke, not as a favored news outlet. Everyone should know that the governor race in NJ is one of the most important states to watch right now. Its a classic battle of a positive 3rd party campaign that gets overshadowed by corrupt democrats and conservative republicans.
On the contrary, I think CNN is covering the whole NJ governor election pretty well. There is a REALLY good internet video on cnn.com about the independent candidate, Chris Daggett and his stance in the race. I know his daughter, we both graduated in the same high school class. I'm now a resident in CA, but if I still lived in NJ would vote for him in a heartbeat. Even the star ledger endorses Daggett, claiming that Corzine is radically unpopular and Christie is too conservative (or really just another weak republican brought into the mix.)
Now NJ has the chance to really change things in the state legislature and make things more streamlined and less corrupt down in Trenton. But that will not happen, Jersey is just not cut out for it. You can thank all of the 'close minded' liberal Democrats who know they are going to vote for Corzine on a partisan basis, and also the uneducated republicans who refuse to vote for a moderate candidate (Daggett.) People know that corzine did more harm than good the last four years but too many are too ashamed to admit it and move on.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 11535 posts, RR: 27 Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1361 times:
Quoting Flighty (Reply 2): It's a shame because she could be more classy than they are.
No, she can't be more classy than they are. If she was, her ratings would fall into the crapper and she'd be out of a job. Same goes for the rest of them. Being a clown sells.
Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter): Does she hate Palin that much so as to totally disregard the fact that Obama made how many trips to support Corzine and he may lose?
I think that she hates the fact that she is the Democratic version of Sarah Palin. An air-headed caricature that spouts off about anything and everything that no one in their right mind would take seriously. I think the boot fits.
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Yellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3065 posts, RR: 8 Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1330 times:
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 11): I think that she hates the fact that she is the Democratic version of Sarah Palin. An air-headed caricature that spouts off about anything and everything that no one in their right mind would take seriously. I think the boot fits.
Care to provide examples? Though I'll certainly grant that Maddow is partisan (and she'd say the same), she's always struck me as quite intelligent, and rather more level-headed than Olbermann.
Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 5): There is a simple way to avoid this, do not watch anyone involved in this type of show, Left or right. Watch a legitimate news source, not an entertainment show. They are all blowhards, and shit stirrers. Countdown? Hannity? Rush? Maddow? Not worth watching. Hardly Bi-Partisan.
Just because a show isn't bipartisan doesn't mean you shouldn't watch it. Just be sure you get the facts first, then watch the opinion shows to hear what people think about it.
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 3): I love it, now on countdown they are trying to make hay out of the GOP candidate in upstate NY withdrawing from the race in the house. Ok, so you ignore the governor race in NJ and make some obscure district in upstate NY your lead story? Yea MSNBC your not in denial.
Umm... there are only about three elections of any national significance going on. All three are going to get more attention than they probably deserve.
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NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1317 times:
Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 12): she's always struck me as quite intelligent, and rather more level-headed than Olbermann.
Definately.
Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 12): Umm... there are only about three elections of any national significance going on. All three are going to get more attention than they probably deserve
Three? Name them because really NJ is the only one. If Christie wins could be the first indication the country is bailing on the Dems.
Aaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7286 posts, RR: 26 Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1252 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 3): I love it, now on countdown they are trying to make hay out of the GOP candidate in upstate NY withdrawing from the race in the house.
You love it - which means you enjoy this petty political bicker over the airwaves that makes career blowhards rich and damages our nation by encouraging division and discourse rife with falsehoods - on both sides. Thanks for being an avid supporter of activity that weakens America.
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Yellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3065 posts, RR: 8 Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1214 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 13): Three? Name them because really NJ is the only one. If Christie wins could be the first indication the country is bailing on the Dems.
NY-23 special election, NJ gubernatorial election, VA gubernatorial election. And if NJ or VA held their gubernatorial elections in even years like everyone else, no one would give them half the attention they're getting right now.
Hydrogen is an odorless, colorless gas which, given enough time, turns into people.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 15273 posts, RR: 55 Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1195 times:
As a New Jersey resident I would be curious to understand the OP's justification for Corzine being a terrible Governor?.. And how exactly would the fat boy that wants to replace him be an improvement?..
Corzine has;
Launched the $8 Billion Dollar Access to the Region's core project, the largest public works project in the Country.
Launched expansion of the Turnpike from Jamesburg to the PA Turnpike (Desperately needed)
Launched expansion of the Parkway from the Toms River Tolls to the AC Expressway (desperately needed).
Got School construction program back on track.
These are things are actually going to improve the quality of life for Residents of New Jersey, again "what's the beef" as Bill O' would say.
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10012 posts, RR: 54 Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1185 times:
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 17845 posts, RR: 59 Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1177 times:
Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 12): Just be sure you get the facts first, then watch the opinion shows to hear what people think about it.
WarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6225 posts, RR: 8 Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1177 times:
Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 12): Just because a show isn't bipartisan doesn't mean you shouldn't watch it. Just be sure you get the facts first, then watch the opinion shows to hear what people think about it.
Everything is so skewed on these programs, it is intentional. It seems that the fans of such do not care about a two sided conversation, or rational discussion, just a lot of yelling and slanted views. Everyone has an agenda. Left and Right. The agenda? make money, have fans. Truth, takes a back seat to the agenda.
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WarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6225 posts, RR: 8 Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1164 times:
Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 14): You love it - which means you enjoy this petty political bicker over the airwaves that makes career blowhards rich and damages our nation by encouraging division and discourse rife with falsehoods - on both sides. Thanks for being an avid supporter of activity that weakens America.
I can certainly say that on this subject we can agree. Your reply covers it so well.
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CXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1476 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1154 times:
I set off an hour of Fox News against an hour of MSNBC-as a moderate, I like to hear both side's cheerleaders-it's sort of funny.
As it happens, both Fox News and MSNBC are apparently controlled quite a bit by "key" hosts-a friend's father who works at MSNBC told me that Keith Olbermann basically controls much of the network's political output-even lording it over Rachel Maddow and Chris Matthews at times. Fox News...well it's the owner. Well, it's all guesswork. Maddow is pretty liberal in any case, but I've noticed a lot of trickling from Countdown into the Maddow show recently.
In any case, there's no way you'll find a truly non-biased source in the United States (or anywhere for that matter). CNN swings a lot, but there are definite political views there too. Anyone who dreams of an impartial source really needs to step into reality. They don't quite exist.
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UAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1148 times:
I agree that the news networks in the US have become jokes on both sides. As much as I can't stand FOX, MSNBC is going the same way, CNN sort of teeters on being the same way.
It's sad, because Maddow is incredibly intelligent. She's very whitty, and I like her humor, but she, along with everyone else, is getting too far editorial and "pundit-ish" about everything they report.
But, can anyone tell me a good news source to watch that actually carries the news in a bipartisan fashion? Or do I just need to watch CSPAN?
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 17845 posts, RR: 59 Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1142 times:
Quoting UAL747 (Reply 22): But, can anyone tell me a good news source to watch that actually carries the news in a bipartisan fashion?
The News Hour with Jim Lehrer on PBS. No news source is perfectly non-biased, but you won't find the showmanship of the cable networks there. It's a news program, and that's it.
-Mir
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D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10012 posts, RR: 54 Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1136 times:
Quoting Mir (Reply 23): The News Hour with Jim Lehrer on PBS. No news source is perfectly non-biased, but you won't find the showmanship of the cable networks there. It's a news program, and that's it.
And as long as people are bored by the lack of showmanship, and as long as the straight news goes over people's heads as too complex, this show will consistently have poor ratings.
(BTW, yes, I am taking a stab at those on this forum who think that Fox News is "better" news because it has higher ratings.)
25 Seb146: Really? The audio must have been different here on the West Coast because I swear I heard her say the GOP candidates did NOT want Palin to campaign f
26 Mir: You will recall many conservatives expressing shock that the Democrats would do something similar to Joe Lieberman when he was last up for election.
27 MSNDC9: Please direct us to such a network or program.
28 NIKV69: Actually you didn't understand my point. The point that MSNBC will totally avoid a fact like NJ may be going GOP and use a new story as the one up in
29 UAL747: I don't think you understand the point most of the rest of us are trying to make. The point that ANY news show will totally avoid a fact if it suppor
30 Seb146: It was right at the top of her Monday evening show when she said this. Huh? You mean when Lieberman started hanging with the GOP and when Lieberman w
31 NIKV69: Exactly neither candidate didn't say they were better off if Palin didn't come and endorse them. It's more spin and propaganda. He is doing what need
32 Cws818: Christie came as close as he possibly could to saying so without being explicitly rude.
33 Seb146: So, all these years he talks about health care reform and wanting to do something about the state of health care in this country, but has done nothin
34 NIKV69: He is not intending to block health care reform, he is intending to block bad health care reform. The bill is bad, everyone knows it and it's the rea
35 D L X: Bob McDonnell in Virginia did not. He didn't want her to come into the state even.
36 Mir: Yeah, then. I don't think the Democrats were wrong to support another candidate, yet his example keeps being brought up as why the Democrats won't le
37 Tommy767: Not to mention corzine is responsible for the NJ state government shutdown of July 2006, which made NJ once again the laughing stock of the US and cos
38 Seb146: She and FOX keep making Sarah Palin relevant. If she would not try to get her face all over the right-wing media, no one would care. Which one? There
39 NIKV69: Oh please, it's the left that keeps giving her air time. Mostly trying to crucify her because they fear her. BTW CNN and MSNBC refused to show the Ch
40 Yellowstone: It's two different scenarios, though. In the CT-Sen race, the Democratic voters of Connecticut decided that they didn't want Lieberman as their nomin
41 Cws818: Well MSNBC showed McDonnell's victory speech in Virginia, so it's not some vast, elaborate media conspiracy. More spin.
42 MSNDC9: Chris Matthews almost had a meltdown when he was talking to a radio show host. There was great comedy tonight on MSNBC.
43 NIKV69: Again VA meant nothing compared to NJ. NJ was a much harsher blow and they refused to even acknowledge it. I will look on youtube but can you provide
44 D L X: What are you talking about? Clearly you didn't watch it. That's all that they're talking about.
45 Seb146: "Refused?" Really? Source, please. I think both sides are blowing these three races WAY out of proportion. As I said in the NJ and VA thread, these a
46 NIKV69: We know this how? Source? I noticed that when they didn't show Christie speaking Hmm let's see I had on FOX and was watching Christie live give his v
47 Yellowstone: Why do you think that NJ-Gov is so much more important? Also worth noticing - exit polls in New Jersey found that yesterday's voters approved of Obam
48 Planespotting: Well, Fox News had the 23rd district race up as their Web-front lead more than a few times in the past week. But this morning when I checked, there s
49 NIKV69: NJ is a much more left leaning state than VA. As for your exit polls they really don't mean much considering much or Corzine's stances are the same a
50 D L X: Local news. I saw Christie speaking... on MSNBC.
51 Yellowstone: Not by all that much, and the gap is narrowing. Obama won VA 53/47, compared to 57/43 in NJ. You're making the incorrect assumption that people were
52 NIKV69: Post link please. Had to be a replay, I kept switching back and they showed no part of his speech live.
53 D L X: TV. Not linked. That may be true, but you can't say they didn't show the speech. They showed it.
54 Seb146: So, because they did not show the speech at the same time as FOX, they "refused" (your words)? How is that? Is that a refusal?
55 NIKV69: Showing the replay isn't the same. When a huge winner of a election is speaking is the moment not later. LIke I said if Corzine won would their behav
56 WarRI1: It was a Governors race, not exactly a huge impact on the nation. Corzine was not liked, he was defeated, that is the end result and it should be. My
57 FRAspotter: Try to tell my uncle that... Believe me, I've tried and all he wants to do is argue and debate with me... One reason why I chose to not go to his hou
58 Tommy767: What you and NIKV69 is true but keep in mind for a president to be truly unpopular have his 2nd term be put into jeopardy, Obama's approval numbers w
59 NIKV69: Bravo Sierra, so your telling me if Corzine won MSNBC wouldn't have run with it? Come on. Maybe but I tell you, at this moment if Obama had to run fo
60 Seb146: Because the race for governer of NJ and VA have absolutly no impact on the other 48 states? I could care less who was elected in either of those two
61 Yellowstone: Now those are the two that you should care about, if only a little. They get to vote on national issues, and as such are relevant to your life and Ob
62 WarRI1: The high def is bad, the sound to go along with it, is the worst thing. I am unable to watch, never mind listen to the pap.
63 Seb146: Only a little. It is surprising to me (not much, but still) how punits have put so much clout into the governers races in VA and NJ when, in reality,
64 WarRI1: I suggest we watch this cartoon from 1948. very interesting and so true, we have consumed the whole bottle. http://nationaljuggernaut.blogspot.c...on
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