NIKV69 From United States, joined Jan 2004, 8494 posts, RR: 56 Posted (1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1131 times:
I know MSNBC has gone off the cliff and their ratings are lower than David Lee Roths radio show on KROCK but I am watching Rachel Maddow now and on the eve of what could be a bad day for the DNC she is bringing Palin again into the mix. I mean VA is basically a done deal but if they lose NJ the DNC will have to wonder if the GOP may be gaining some momentum. Of course Corzine really needs to lose. He has been terrible as governor and has waged a really low campaign since the polls show he is in a dead heat. I expect neither him or Christie to concede and a recount is a definate possibility. So instead of Rachel bringing to light the fact that NJ has given the DNC a shot and it isn't working she attacks the GOP by saying the fact Palin hasn't visited and supported either GOP candidate to mean something along the lines of showing a rift within the party. I mean does this women really believe this? Does she hate Palin that much so as to totally disregard the fact that Obama made how many trips to support Corzine and he may lose? Which would be devastating and has nothing to so with Palin. Tomorrow is going to be some ride. Strap yourselves in. 10 will get you 100 if Corzine loses it will be because of Rush or Hannity spreading lies and something with Palin too. I mean I am glad I tune into MSNBC sometimes because if you told me they said some of this I wouldn't believe it.
ArmitageShanks From United Kingdom (England), joined Dec 2003, 3085 posts, RR: 20 Reply 1, posted (1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1115 times:
All these people on every network want to be entertainers. They have settled for news TV because they can operate under the guise of integrity while being entertainment figures. They have a tinge of journalistic integrity but the fact at the end of the day is they are after ratings. If the ratings are bad enough they will be gone.
Flighty From United States, joined Apr 2007, 4618 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1110 times:
Rachel Maddow is just a blowhard. She uses the exact same devices as the shock jocks on the right. It's a shame because she could be more classy than they are.
NIKV69 From United States, joined Jan 2004, 8494 posts, RR: 56 Reply 3, posted (1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1091 times:
Quoting Flighty (Reply 2): It's a shame because she could be more classy than they are.
I love it, now on countdown they are trying to make hay out of the GOP candidate in upstate NY withdrawing from the race in the house. Ok, so you ignore the governor race in NJ and make some obscure district in upstate NY your lead story? Yea MSNBC your not in denial. I tell you I would give anything for Christie to win tomorrow. That would be good. Just to see what MSNBC blames it on.
Cws818 From United States, joined Aug 2008, 434 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1077 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter): I know MSNBC has gone off the cliff and their ratings are lower than David Lee Roths radio show on KROCK but I am watching Rachel Maddow now and on the eve of what could be a bad day for the DNC she is bringing Palin again into the mix.
Palin brought herself "into the mix" with her endorsement in the New York 23rd District race.
WarRI1 From United States, joined Sep 2007, 2343 posts, RR: 4 Reply 5, posted (1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1075 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 3): I love it, now on countdown they are trying to make hay out of the GOP candidate in upstate NY withdrawing from the race in the house. Ok, so you ignore the governor race in NJ and make some obscure district in upstate NY your lead story? Yea MSNBC your not in denial. I tell you I would give anything for Christie to win tomorrow. That would be good. Just to see what MSNBC blames it on.
There is a simple way to avoid this, do not watch anyone involved in this type of show, Left or right. Watch a legitimate news source, not an entertainment show. They are all blowhards, and shit stirrers. Countdown? Hannity? Rush? Maddow? Not worth watching. Hardly Bi-Partisan.
Falcon84 From United States, joined Sep 2004, 15083 posts, RR: 82 Reply 6, posted (1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1062 times:
Quoting Cws818 (Reply 4): Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):
I know MSNBC has gone off the cliff and their ratings are lower than David Lee Roths radio show on KROCK but I am watching Rachel Maddow now and on the eve of what could be a bad day for the DNC she is bringing Palin again into the mix.
Palin brought herself "into the mix" with her endorsement in the New York 23rd District race.
I was going to say the same thing.
Amazing you find Rachel Maddow so hard to handle, when, at the same time, you don't seem to mind loudmouths like Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck.
NIKV69 From United States, joined Jan 2004, 8494 posts, RR: 56 Reply 7, posted (1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1060 times:
Quoting Cws818 (Reply 4): Palin brought herself "into the mix" with her endorsement in the New York 23rd District race.
Ok so Obama not only endorsed Corzine but made how many trips to NJ? Much bigger race and DNC is in real danger of losing that election which would have a major impact on the future of the DNC controlling congress and the WH. Let's talk about a former Gov in a non issue election in the sticks. Fair and balanced. Oh wait now we are talking about Cheney and if he is guilty of perjury. Where does the madness end? I can't wait to see the election coverage tomorrow. Should be fun. Cue the rigged voting from 2004!
JM017 From Jamaica, joined Jun 2002, 903 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1052 times:
Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 5): There is a simple way to avoid this, do not watch anyone involved in this type of show, Left or right. Watch a legitimate news source, not an entertainment show. They are all blowhards, and shit stirrers. Countdown? Hannity? Rush? Maddow? Not worth watching. Hardly Bi-Partisan.
None of these people are credible journalists. But they try to portray themselves at just that. I would find it amusing, but too many people take their opinions as facts, not commentary.
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6): Amazing you find Rachel Maddow so hard to handle, when, at the same time, you don't seem to mind loudmouths like Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck.
Lots of folks have this problem. Which is sad, really. It would be cool to have some truly impartial news analysis.
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WarRI1 From United States, joined Sep 2007, 2343 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1036 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6): Amazing you find Rachel Maddow so hard to handle, when, at the same time, you don't seem to mind loudmouths like Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck.
Quoting JM017 (Reply 8): Lots of folks have this problem. Which is sad, really. It would be cool to have some truly impartial news analysis.
It never ceases to amaze me, how intelligent people swallow this junk as real news, it is, what do they call it? Yellow Journalism. The TV version. It is sad to see how many devotee's of this garbage exist..
Tommy767 From United States, joined Aug 2003, 2099 posts, RR: 10 Reply 10, posted (1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1002 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter): Of course Corzine really needs to lose. He has been terrible as governor and has waged a really low campaign since the polls show he is in a dead heat. I expect neither him or Christie to concede and a recount is a definate possibility. So instead of Rachel bringing to light the fact that NJ has given the DNC a shot and it isn't working she attacks the GOP by saying the fact Palin hasn't visited and supported either GOP candidate to mean something along the lines of showing a rift within the party.
MSNBC ratings truly reflect the content being conveyed. Its low quality, and like fox news too bias to really take seriously. For instance I watch Keith Olbermann as a joke, not as a favored news outlet. Everyone should know that the governor race in NJ is one of the most important states to watch right now. Its a classic battle of a positive 3rd party campaign that gets overshadowed by corrupt democrats and conservative republicans.
On the contrary, I think CNN is covering the whole NJ governor election pretty well. There is a REALLY good internet video on cnn.com about the independent candidate, Chris Daggett and his stance in the race. I know his daughter, we both graduated in the same high school class. I'm now a resident in CA, but if I still lived in NJ would vote for him in a heartbeat. Even the star ledger endorses Daggett, claiming that Corzine is radically unpopular and Christie is too conservative (or really just another weak republican brought into the mix.)
Now NJ has the chance to really change things in the state legislature and make things more streamlined and less corrupt down in Trenton. But that will not happen, Jersey is just not cut out for it. You can thank all of the 'close minded' liberal Democrats who know they are going to vote for Corzine on a partisan basis, and also the uneducated republicans who refuse to vote for a moderate candidate (Daggett.) People know that corzine did more harm than good the last four years but too many are too ashamed to admit it and move on.
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BMI727 From United States, joined Feb 2009, 3440 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (1 month 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 986 times:
Quoting Flighty (Reply 2): It's a shame because she could be more classy than they are.
No, she can't be more classy than they are. If she was, her ratings would fall into the crapper and she'd be out of a job. Same goes for the rest of them. Being a clown sells.
Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter): Does she hate Palin that much so as to totally disregard the fact that Obama made how many trips to support Corzine and he may lose?
I think that she hates the fact that she is the Democratic version of Sarah Palin. An air-headed caricature that spouts off about anything and everything that no one in their right mind would take seriously. I think the boot fits.
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Yellowstone From United States, joined Aug 2006, 2334 posts, RR: 11 Reply 12, posted (1 month 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 955 times:
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 11): I think that she hates the fact that she is the Democratic version of Sarah Palin. An air-headed caricature that spouts off about anything and everything that no one in their right mind would take seriously. I think the boot fits.
Care to provide examples? Though I'll certainly grant that Maddow is partisan (and she'd say the same), she's always struck me as quite intelligent, and rather more level-headed than Olbermann.
Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 5): There is a simple way to avoid this, do not watch anyone involved in this type of show, Left or right. Watch a legitimate news source, not an entertainment show. They are all blowhards, and shit stirrers. Countdown? Hannity? Rush? Maddow? Not worth watching. Hardly Bi-Partisan.
Just because a show isn't bipartisan doesn't mean you shouldn't watch it. Just be sure you get the facts first, then watch the opinion shows to hear what people think about it.
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 3): I love it, now on countdown they are trying to make hay out of the GOP candidate in upstate NY withdrawing from the race in the house. Ok, so you ignore the governor race in NJ and make some obscure district in upstate NY your lead story? Yea MSNBC your not in denial.
Umm... there are only about three elections of any national significance going on. All three are going to get more attention than they probably deserve.
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NIKV69 From United States, joined Jan 2004, 8494 posts, RR: 56 Reply 13, posted (1 month 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 942 times:
Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 12): she's always struck me as quite intelligent, and rather more level-headed than Olbermann.
Definately.
Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 12): Umm... there are only about three elections of any national significance going on. All three are going to get more attention than they probably deserve
Three? Name them because really NJ is the only one. If Christie wins could be the first indication the country is bailing on the Dems.
Aaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 4598 posts, RR: 22 Reply 14, posted (1 month 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 877 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 3): I love it, now on countdown they are trying to make hay out of the GOP candidate in upstate NY withdrawing from the race in the house.
You love it - which means you enjoy this petty political bicker over the airwaves that makes career blowhards rich and damages our nation by encouraging division and discourse rife with falsehoods - on both sides. Thanks for being an avid supporter of activity that weakens America.
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Yellowstone From United States, joined Aug 2006, 2334 posts, RR: 11 Reply 15, posted (1 month 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 839 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 13): Three? Name them because really NJ is the only one. If Christie wins could be the first indication the country is bailing on the Dems.
NY-23 special election, NJ gubernatorial election, VA gubernatorial election. And if NJ or VA held their gubernatorial elections in even years like everyone else, no one would give them half the attention they're getting right now.
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STT757 From United States, joined Mar 2000, 12241 posts, RR: 55 Reply 16, posted (1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 820 times:
As a New Jersey resident I would be curious to understand the OP's justification for Corzine being a terrible Governor?.. And how exactly would the fat boy that wants to replace him be an improvement?..
Corzine has;
Launched the $8 Billion Dollar Access to the Region's core project, the largest public works project in the Country.
Launched expansion of the Turnpike from Jamesburg to the PA Turnpike (Desperately needed)
Launched expansion of the Parkway from the Toms River Tolls to the AC Expressway (desperately needed).
Got School construction program back on track.
These are things are actually going to improve the quality of life for Residents of New Jersey, again "what's the beef" as Bill O' would say.
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WarRI1 From United States, joined Sep 2007, 2343 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 802 times:
Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 12): Just because a show isn't bipartisan doesn't mean you shouldn't watch it. Just be sure you get the facts first, then watch the opinion shows to hear what people think about it.
Everything is so skewed on these programs, it is intentional. It seems that the fans of such do not care about a two sided conversation, or rational discussion, just a lot of yelling and slanted views. Everyone has an agenda. Left and Right. The agenda? make money, have fans. Truth, takes a back seat to the agenda.
WarRI1 From United States, joined Sep 2007, 2343 posts, RR: 4 Reply 20, posted (1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 789 times:
Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 14): You love it - which means you enjoy this petty political bicker over the airwaves that makes career blowhards rich and damages our nation by encouraging division and discourse rife with falsehoods - on both sides. Thanks for being an avid supporter of activity that weakens America.
I can certainly say that on this subject we can agree. Your reply covers it so well.
CXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1328 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 779 times:
I set off an hour of Fox News against an hour of MSNBC-as a moderate, I like to hear both side's cheerleaders-it's sort of funny.
As it happens, both Fox News and MSNBC are apparently controlled quite a bit by "key" hosts-a friend's father who works at MSNBC told me that Keith Olbermann basically controls much of the network's political output-even lording it over Rachel Maddow and Chris Matthews at times. Fox News...well it's the owner. Well, it's all guesswork. Maddow is pretty liberal in any case, but I've noticed a lot of trickling from Countdown into the Maddow show recently.
In any case, there's no way you'll find a truly non-biased source in the United States (or anywhere for that matter). CNN swings a lot, but there are definite political views there too. Anyone who dreams of an impartial source really needs to step into reality. They don't quite exist.
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UAL747 From United States, joined Dec 1999, 6555 posts, RR: 35 Reply 22, posted (1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 773 times:
I agree that the news networks in the US have become jokes on both sides. As much as I can't stand FOX, MSNBC is going the same way, CNN sort of teeters on being the same way.
It's sad, because Maddow is incredibly intelligent. She's very whitty, and I like her humor, but she, along with everyone else, is getting too far editorial and "pundit-ish" about everything they report.
But, can anyone tell me a good news source to watch that actually carries the news in a bipartisan fashion? Or do I just need to watch CSPAN?
Mir From United States, joined Jan 2004, 13289 posts, RR: 65 Reply 23, posted (1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 767 times:
Quoting UAL747 (Reply 22): But, can anyone tell me a good news source to watch that actually carries the news in a bipartisan fashion?
The News Hour with Jim Lehrer on PBS. No news source is perfectly non-biased, but you won't find the showmanship of the cable networks there. It's a news program, and that's it.
D L X From United States, joined May 1999, 7839 posts, RR: 55 Reply 24, posted (1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 761 times:
Quoting Mir (Reply 23): The News Hour with Jim Lehrer on PBS. No news source is perfectly non-biased, but you won't find the showmanship of the cable networks there. It's a news program, and that's it.
And as long as people are bored by the lack of showmanship, and as long as the straight news goes over people's heads as too complex, this show will consistently have poor ratings.
(BTW, yes, I am taking a stab at those on this forum who think that Fox News is "better" news because it has higher ratings.)
Seb146 From United States, joined Nov 1999, 6525 posts, RR: 24 Reply 25, posted (1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 748 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter): the fact Palin hasn't visited and supported either GOP candidate to mean something along the lines of showing a rift within the party.
Really? The audio must have been different here on the West Coast because I swear I heard her say the GOP candidates did NOT want Palin to campaign for them. THAT would show a definite rift in the party.
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 3): so you ignore the governor race in NJ and make some obscure district in upstate NY your lead story?
It is of note because the Republican candidate dropped out and endorsed the Democratic candidate but the official GOP endorsement goes to the Conservative candidate who does not even live in the district.
Mir From United States, joined Jan 2004, 13289 posts, RR: 65 Reply 26, posted (1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 770 times:
Quoting Seb146 (Reply 25): It is of note because the Republican candidate dropped out and endorsed the Democratic candidate but the official GOP endorsement goes to the Conservative candidate who does not even live in the district.
You will recall many conservatives expressing shock that the Democrats would do something similar to Joe Lieberman when he was last up for election. Not so much this time.
NIKV69 From United States, joined Jan 2004, 8494 posts, RR: 56 Reply 28, posted (1 month 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 748 times:
Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 14): You love it - which means you enjoy this petty political bicker over the airwaves that makes career blowhards rich and damages our nation by encouraging division and discourse rife with falsehoods - on both sides. Thanks for being an avid supporter of activity that weakens America
Actually you didn't understand my point. The point that MSNBC will totally avoid a fact like NJ may be going GOP and use a new story as the one up in NY as the lead because of Sarah Palin in an attempt to deflect attention away from the big story.
Quoting STT757 (Reply 16): Launched expansion of the Turnpike from Jamesburg to the PA Turnpike (Desperately needed)
Launched expansion of the Parkway from the Toms River Tolls to the AC Expressway (desperately needed).
You conviently left out how he wanted to lease the turnpike and parkway? That did wonders for his approval ratings.
Quoting STT757 (Reply 16): Launched the $8 Billion Dollar Access to the Region's core project, the largest public works project in the Country
He also made huge cuts in funding for state universities and colleges. Wanted to tax residents to have government run health care. His approval rating dropped so low for the first time in NJ history a recall was initiated. NJ is not happy and it's time for this guy to go. His campaign was a disgrace as well after he saw he was in real danger of losing and had to resort to personal attacks instead of using the issues. Which is also something MSNBC is famous for.
Quoting Mir (Reply 18): Not according to the GOP, who have put a lot of significance on the NY-23 election
Your telling me that a little district in upstate NY means the same as the Gov race in NJ? Or the Gov race coming up in NY? Please. Only the far left propaganda maching thinks this because they hate Palin.
Quoting Seb146 (Reply 25): Really? The audio must have been different here on the West Coast because I swear I heard her say the GOP candidates did NOT want Palin to campaign for them. THAT would show a definite rift in the party
UAL747 From United States, joined Dec 1999, 6555 posts, RR: 35 Reply 29, posted (1 month 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 727 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 28): Actually you didn't understand my point. The point that MSNBC will totally avoid a fact like NJ may be going GOP and use a new story as the one up in NY as the lead because of Sarah Palin in an attempt to deflect attention away from the big story.
I don't think you understand the point most of the rest of us are trying to make. The point that ANY news show will totally avoid a fact if it supports their political/financial agenda. In my opinion, Rachael Maddow is as sly as a FOX.
Seb146 From United States, joined Nov 1999, 6525 posts, RR: 24 Reply 30, posted (1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 662 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 28): Quoting Seb146 (Reply 25):
Really? The audio must have been different here on the West Coast because I swear I heard her say the GOP candidates did NOT want Palin to campaign for them. THAT would show a definite rift in the party
Provide a source please.
It was right at the top of her Monday evening show when she said this.
Quoting Mir (Reply 26): You will recall many conservatives expressing shock that the Democrats would do something similar to Joe Lieberman when he was last up for election. Not so much this time.
Huh? You mean when Lieberman started hanging with the GOP and when Lieberman was trounced in the Democratic primary because he turned his back on Democrats? Also, what happened to Joe Lieberman who said he would fight for health care reform? How often has that happened? Where is Joe Lieberman, now?
Cws818 From United States, joined Aug 2008, 434 posts, RR: 0 Reply 32, posted (1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 640 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 31): Exactly neither candidate didn't say they were better off if Palin didn't come and endorse them. It's more spin and propaganda.
Christie came as close as he possibly could to saying so without being explicitly rude.
Seb146 From United States, joined Nov 1999, 6525 posts, RR: 24 Reply 33, posted (1 month 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 627 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 31): He is doing what needs to be done. He isn't far left and won't vote that way.
So, all these years he talks about health care reform and wanting to do something about the state of health care in this country, but has done nothing at all and now, it seems, he intends to block any health care reform?
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 31): Exactly neither candidate didn't say they were better off if Palin didn't come and endorse them.
Did any candidate in either governer's race embrace the darling of the Republican party, Palin?
NIKV69 From United States, joined Jan 2004, 8494 posts, RR: 56 Reply 34, posted (1 month 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 617 times:
Quoting Seb146 (Reply 33): So, all these years he talks about health care reform and wanting to do something about the state of health care in this country, but has done nothing at all and now, it seems, he intends to block any health care reform?
He is not intending to block health care reform, he is intending to block bad health care reform. The bill is bad, everyone knows it and it's the reason the DNC can't even pass it without needing any GOP votes. We all want to hide and blame everybody for the fact that only one person is to blame and that is Nancy Pelosi. Who hates anything that is not far left and will not listen to anyone if it doesn't go directly in line with what she wants. It is why Reid just announced the bill is now delayed till after new years and why it will eventually die. It is because the DNC is putting themselves before the people of this country simply so they can say they did something that went against the GOP. It is also why 2010 will be a blood bath for the DNC. This is why Lieberman is doing the right thing, much to the dismay and denial of the DNC.
Quoting Cws818 (Reply 32): Christie came as close as he possibly could to saying so without being explicitly rude.
More spin.
Quoting Seb146 (Reply 33): Did any candidate in either governer's race embrace the darling of the Republican party, Palin?
It's not their job to do so. It is the DNC and hate mongering MSNBC that continues to attack this woman and make her revelant.
Mir From United States, joined Jan 2004, 13289 posts, RR: 65 Reply 36, posted (1 month 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 584 times:
Quoting Seb146 (Reply 30): Huh? You mean when Lieberman started hanging with the GOP and when Lieberman was trounced in the Democratic primary because he turned his back on Democrats? Also, what happened to Joe Lieberman who said he would fight for health care reform? How often has that happened? Where is Joe Lieberman, now?
Yeah, then. I don't think the Democrats were wrong to support another candidate, yet his example keeps being brought up as why the Democrats won't let anyone step out of the party line, and how wrong that is. Yet when the GOP does the same thing, one never hears a peep. The double standard is curious.
Tommy767 From United States, joined Aug 2003, 2099 posts, RR: 10 Reply 37, posted (1 month 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 565 times:
Not to mention corzine is responsible for the NJ state government shutdown of July 2006, which made NJ once again the laughing stock of the US and cost the state millions of dollars in revenue.
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Seb146 From United States, joined Nov 1999, 6525 posts, RR: 24 Reply 38, posted (1 month 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 545 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 34): It's not their job to do so. It is the DNC and hate mongering MSNBC that continues to attack this woman and make her revelant.
She and FOX keep making Sarah Palin relevant. If she would not try to get her face all over the right-wing media, no one would care.
Which one? There are five being debated. My issue with Leiberman is that he *says* he is for health care reform and he *says* he wants everyone to be covered, but what has he done for that issue, exactly?
Quoting Mir (Reply 36): I don't think the Democrats were wrong to support another candidate, yet his example keeps being brought up as why the Democrats won't let anyone step out of the party line, and how wrong that is.
I think it was more that he was calling himself a Democrat but hanging with Republicans. I think he abandoned the party before the party gave up on him is what I always thought. But, yes, when that happens on the right, it is good riddance to bad rubbish if a Republican dares speak out against the party line.
NIKV69 From United States, joined Jan 2004, 8494 posts, RR: 56 Reply 39, posted (1 month 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 537 times:
Quoting Seb146 (Reply 38): She and FOX keep making Sarah Palin relevant. If she would not try to get her face all over the right-wing media, no one would care
Oh please, it's the left that keeps giving her air time. Mostly trying to crucify her because they fear her.
BTW CNN and MSNBC refused to show the Christie victory speech. FOX has it live right now. Ask yourself this if Corzine would have won how things would have been different? The hatred from the left is showing and they know their days are numbered.
Yellowstone From United States, joined Aug 2006, 2334 posts, RR: 11 Reply 40, posted (1 month 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 525 times:
Quoting Mir (Reply 36): Yeah, then. I don't think the Democrats were wrong to support another candidate, yet his example keeps being brought up as why the Democrats won't let anyone step out of the party line, and how wrong that is. Yet when the GOP does the same thing, one never hears a peep. The double standard is curious.
It's two different scenarios, though. In the CT-Sen race, the Democratic voters of Connecticut decided that they didn't want Lieberman as their nominee. Lamont wasn't trying to usurp Lieberman's place as the Democratic candidate - he won that candidacy fair and square. In the NY-23 race, though, Hoffmann was not chosen as the Republican candidate. If anything, Hoffmann is pulling a Lieberman, not a Lamont.
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Cws818 From United States, joined Aug 2008, 434 posts, RR: 0 Reply 41, posted (1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 514 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 39): BTW CNN and MSNBC refused to show the Christie victory speech. FOX has it live right now. Ask yourself this if Corzine would have won how things would have been different?
Well MSNBC showed McDonnell's victory speech in Virginia, so it's not some vast, elaborate media conspiracy.
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 39): The hatred from the left is showing and they know their days are numbered.
MSNDC9 From United States, joined Jul 2009, 420 posts, RR: 0 Reply 42, posted (1 month 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 496 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 39): BTW CNN and MSNBC refused to show the Christie victory speech. FOX has it live right now. Ask yourself this if Corzine would have won how things would have been different? The hatred from the left is showing and they know their days are numbered.
Chris Matthews almost had a meltdown when he was talking to a radio show host. There was great comedy tonight on MSNBC.
Seb146 From United States, joined Nov 1999, 6525 posts, RR: 24 Reply 45, posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 442 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 39): CNN and MSNBC refused to show the Christie victory speech.
"Refused?" Really? Source, please.
I think both sides are blowing these three races WAY out of proportion. As I said in the NJ and VA thread, these are three races. Out of a total of 585 seats. Three elections is hardly a mandate for change. Besides, no one, on either side, is talking about CA-10. So, that would be four elections, but still.... Four out of 585? A mandate? Really? BOTH sides are blowing this WAY out of proportion!
Hmm let's see I had on FOX and was watching Christie live give his vicotry speech. Switched to CNN and MSNBC and they had a panel of far left haters talking about health care. What else do you need? Are you blind?
Yellowstone From United States, joined Aug 2006, 2334 posts, RR: 11 Reply 47, posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 435 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 43): Again VA meant nothing compared to NJ. NJ was a much harsher blow and they refused to even acknowledge it.
Why do you think that NJ-Gov is so much more important?
Also worth noticing - exit polls in New Jersey found that yesterday's voters approved of Obama's performance 57/43. Yet Corzine lost 45/49. Conclusion - this race wasn't a referendum on Obama, it was a referendum on Corzine.
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Planespotting From United States, joined Apr 2004, 2906 posts, RR: 8 Reply 48, posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 434 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 3): I love it, now on countdown they are trying to make hay out of the GOP candidate in upstate NY withdrawing from the race in the house.
Well, Fox News had the 23rd district race up as their Web-front lead more than a few times in the past week. But this morning when I checked, there said nothing at all about how the Democrat won in that district anywhere, until you scroll all the way down and find some cheery opinion peace titled "What the 23rd district taught us."
NIKV69 From United States, joined Jan 2004, 8494 posts, RR: 56 Reply 49, posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 430 times:
Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 47): Also worth noticing - exit polls in New Jersey found that yesterday's voters approved of Obama's performance 57/43. Yet Corzine lost 45/49. Conclusion - this race wasn't a referendum on Obama, it was a referendum on Corzine.
NJ is a much more left leaning state than VA. As for your exit polls they really don't mean much considering much or Corzine's stances are the same as Obama. Spin it all you want but Obama's popularity is waning and going into next year looks like much of the same. The 2010 election is going to be FUN!
Yellowstone From United States, joined Aug 2006, 2334 posts, RR: 11 Reply 51, posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 397 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 49): NJ is a much more left leaning state than VA.
Not by all that much, and the gap is narrowing. Obama won VA 53/47, compared to 57/43 in NJ.
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 49): As for your exit polls they really don't mean much considering much of Corzine's stances are the same as Obama.
You're making the incorrect assumption that people were voting based on Corzine's positions on the issues. For a lot of people, that wasn't the case. Regardless of his positions, Corzine just didn't do a very good job as governor in his first term. That's what cost him the election.
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 49): Spin it all you want but Obama's popularity is waning
Seb146 From United States, joined Nov 1999, 6525 posts, RR: 24 Reply 54, posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 381 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 46): Switched to CNN and MSNBC and they had a panel of far left haters talking about health care. What else do you need? Are you blind?
So, because they did not show the speech at the same time as FOX, they "refused" (your words)? How is that? Is that a refusal?
NIKV69 From United States, joined Jan 2004, 8494 posts, RR: 56 Reply 55, posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 368 times:
Quoting D L X (Reply 53): That may be true, but you can't say they didn't show the speech. They showed it.
Showing the replay isn't the same. When a huge winner of a election is speaking is the moment not later. LIke I said if Corzine won would their behavior been the same? Most networks show the winners speech live whether Rep or Dem but not CNN or MSNBC. Their hatred just shows.
Quoting Seb146 (Reply 54): So, because they did not show the speech at the same time as FOX, they "refused" (your words)? How is that? Is that a refusal?
It has nothing to do with the same time as FOX. The NJ election was a very important election and to not show the winner speaking live after being named winner should be covered yet MSNBC and CNN decided to not show it live? Why?
WarRI1 From United States, joined Sep 2007, 2343 posts, RR: 4 Reply 56, posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 348 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 55): It has nothing to do with the same time as FOX. The NJ election was a very important election and to not show the winner speaking live after being named winner should be covered yet MSNBC and CNN decided to not show it live? Why?
It was a Governors race, not exactly a huge impact on the nation. Corzine was not liked, he was defeated, that is the end result and it should be. My goodness! now a Governors race has taken on such importance that the winners speech should be carried "Live" Let us not blow this out of proportion.
FRAspotter From United States, joined May 2004, 1863 posts, RR: 8 Reply 57, posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 327 times:
Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 9): It never ceases to amaze me, how intelligent people swallow this junk as real news, it is, what do they call it? Yellow Journalism. The TV version. It is sad to see how many devotee's of this garbage exist..
Try to tell my uncle that... Believe me, I've tried and all he wants to do is argue and debate with me... One reason why I chose to not go to his house anymore... And to think he bought a brand new 42" Sony JUST to watch Olbermann and Maddow in high def...
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Tommy767 From United States, joined Aug 2003, 2099 posts, RR: 10 Reply 58, posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 318 times:
Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 51):
Looks pretty flat to me over the past few months.
What you and NIKV69 is true but keep in mind for a president to be truly unpopular have his 2nd term be put into jeopardy, Obama's approval numbers will have to dip into the 40s for a good amount of time. Mid 50s is still pretty popular for a president during his first year. Even Reagan was unpopular for a time in the early 80s when the ecnomy was briefly in the crapper.
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 55): The NJ election was a very important election and to not show the winner speaking live after being named winner should be covered yet MSNBC and CNN decided to not show it live? Why?
MSNBC is the polar opposite of Fox News. Lefty liberals have their news spoonfed to them via Maddow and Olbermann while the Conservatives have Hannity and O' Rielly dishing it out as well. Granted, I think its pretty bogus that MSNBC didn't air Christies victory speech initally on MSNBC but I honestly can't say that I am at all surprised either.
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NIKV69 From United States, joined Jan 2004, 8494 posts, RR: 56 Reply 59, posted (1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 314 times:
Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 56): It was a Governors race, not exactly a huge impact on the nation. Corzine was not liked, he was defeated, that is the end result and it should be. My goodness! now a Governors race has taken on such importance that the winners speech should be carried "Live" Let us not blow this out of proportion
Bravo Sierra, so your telling me if Corzine won MSNBC wouldn't have run with it? Come on.
Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 58): What you and NIKV69 is true but keep in mind for a president to be truly unpopular have his 2nd term be put into jeopardy, Obama's approval numbers will have to dip into the 40s for a good amount of time. Mid 50s is still pretty popular for a president during his first year. Even Reagan was unpopular for a time in the early 80s when the ecnomy was briefly in the crapper.
Maybe but I tell you, at this moment if Obama had to run for another 4 years against a decent GOP candidate I think he loses.
Seb146 From United States, joined Nov 1999, 6525 posts, RR: 24 Reply 60, posted (1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 298 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 55): The NJ election was a very important election and to not show the winner speaking live after being named winner should be covered yet MSNBC and CNN decided to not show it live? Why?
Because the race for governer of NJ and VA have absolutly no impact on the other 48 states? I could care less who was elected in either of those two states and I live in California. I could care less who was elected to NY-23 or even CA-10 because I do not live in those districts. It seems the only ones who are obsessed with the right winning these governerships are the right.
Yellowstone From United States, joined Aug 2006, 2334 posts, RR: 11 Reply 61, posted (1 month 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 294 times:
Quoting Seb146 (Reply 60): I could care less who was elected to NY-23 or even CA-10 because I do not live in those districts.
Now those are the two that you should care about, if only a little. They get to vote on national issues, and as such are relevant to your life and Obama's legislative agenda. McDonnell and Christie are not, unless you are a NJ or VA resident.
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WarRI1 From United States, joined Sep 2007, 2343 posts, RR: 4 Reply 62, posted (1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 278 times:
Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 57): Try to tell my uncle that... Believe me, I've tried and all he wants to do is argue and debate with me... One reason why I chose to not go to his house anymore... And to think he bought a brand new 42" Sony JUST to watch Olbermann and Maddow in high def...
The high def is bad, the sound to go along with it, is the worst thing. I am unable to watch, never mind listen to the pap.
Seb146 From United States, joined Nov 1999, 6525 posts, RR: 24 Reply 63, posted (1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 267 times:
Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 61): Now those are the two that you should care about, if only a little. They get to vote on national issues, and as such are relevant to your life and Obama's legislative agenda.
Only a little. It is surprising to me (not much, but still) how punits have put so much clout into the governers races in VA and NJ when, in reality, the two House races speak volumes about the "will of the people" and the "mandate" from the people to Obama.
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