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Israeli Navy Captures Hezbollah Bound Weapons  
User currently offlineLY772 From Israel, joined Aug 2001, 1340 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2484 times:

Wednesday morning local time, a ship carrying weapons to Hezbollah (apparently from Iran - according to Israeli News) was captured 100 miles west of Israel, near Cyprus and was towed into Ashdod Port.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/05/wo...eeast/05israel.html?_r=1&ref=world

The has been under watch since leaving it's home port and was captured without force by soldiers from "Shayetet 13".

Update: According to an official statement by the IDF, the crew of the ship had no knowledge that this is what they were carrying. The weapons were inside the containers and hidden. This is against UN Resolotion 1747.

On a very personal note, I love that not one international news company like CNN, BBC, Sky, or Fox are even mentioning this story...

[Edited 2009-11-04 06:45:59]

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User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2458 times:



Quoting LY772 (Thread starter):
Israeli Navy Captures Hezbollah Bound Weapons

Very sad news indeed .But how do they know it belongs to Hezbollah

Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2436 times:



Quoting LY772 (Thread starter):
On a very personal note, I love that not one international news company like CNN, BBC, Sky, or Fox are even mentioning this story...

Do Americans not get to see enough pro-Israeli propoganda?



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6705 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2435 times:



Quoting LY772 (Thread starter):
On a very personal note, I love that not one international news company like CNN, BBC, Sky, or Fox are even mentioning this story...

They are now. Maybe taking the time to get the story sorted out.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8341737.stm



wheat and dairy can screw up your brain
User currently onlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8137 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2431 times:



Quoting LY772 (Thread starter):
On a very personal note, I love that not one international news company like CNN, BBC, Sky, or Fox are even mentioning this story...

They aren't carrying stories about the burgeoning relationship between Iraq and Iran courtesy of the US either, but who cares anyway??



If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
User currently offlineJFK69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1418 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2427 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
Do Americans not get to see enough pro-Israeli propoganda?

Don't worry, I am sure if it was something Israel did wrong, the BBC would have been all over it.


User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3469 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2419 times:
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Quoting LY772 (Thread starter):
This is against UN Resolotion 1747

And Israel always follows UN resolutions. This is not to defend Hezbollah but Israel is the last country to say anything about UN resolutions.



I am against any terrorist acts committed under the name of Islam
User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2411 times:



Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 6):
And Israel always follows UN resolutions. This is not to defend Hezbollah but Israel is the last country to say anything about UN resolutions.

well said sobhi couldn't agree more !
If Israel cares about the UN resolution 1747 ,they should stop overflying Lebanese airspace

Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineN537FX From Switzerland, joined Oct 2009, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2394 times:



Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 1):



Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 1):

How is this sad news?? Any more weapons like the ones found on the ship could only do more harm to the region. If they ended up in Lebanon or Syria, because I bet their destination was somewhere in the area, they would probably be used in confrontations with Israel in future. As a result, this would once again harm the entire region.


User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2391 times:



Quoting N537FX (Reply 8):
How is this sad news

Sad news for peace ! I will spend Christmas in BEY

Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3469 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2368 times:
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Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 9):
I will spend Christmas in BEY

Will be there also.



I am against any terrorist acts committed under the name of Islam
User currently offlineAvi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 943 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2356 times:



Quoting LY772 (Thread starter):
I love that not one international news company like CNN, BBC, Sky, or Fox are even mentioning this story...

I don't understand what you don't understand.
It is just weapons that suppose to kill Israeli civilians. What is the problem here?
If it was the other way around, …

The world's media doesn't report what is done to us so everybody are so surprise when we act to stop it.



Long live the B747
User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9340 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2336 times:

it was on prime evening news ARD1 in Germany and they also showed footage of the weapons.

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 1):
Very sad news indeed .But how do they know it belongs to Hezbollah

I don't understand either why this is sad news. Everyone except those punks who intend to use the weapons should be glad that Israel was successful in seizing the weapon containers.

One could have the impression that some people don't want peace in that area.



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2391 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2335 times:



Quoting Avi (Reply 11):

Yep, not a single word about it in any media here.. but when it's the other way around, it is most often covered in the media. I wonder why this is?


User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2336 times:



Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 10):
Will be there also.

Good Sobhi ! BEY is amazing during Christmas,we could meet someday . By the way I hope nothing bad will happen in Lebanon ,sincerely we cant trust both Israelis and Hizbollah,they are simply two faces of the same coin

Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2332 times:



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 12):
I don't understand either why this is sad news.

Sad news for peace ! I will spend Christmas in BEY

Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineN537FX From Switzerland, joined Oct 2009, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2327 times:



Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 15):
Sad news for peace !

What do you mean by this? Since these weapons were captured, that puts them out commission and now, they will not be used in an harmful way in Syria/Lebanon.

What would be your views if this cargo arrived at the destination safe and sound? How would that affect peace?


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17450 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2320 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
Do Americans not get to see enough pro-Israeli propoganda?

On a related note, why do we support either side? Why can't we just withdraw the funds to both sides, tell them they'll get it back when they've put together a realistic peace agreement, and go on about our lives? I don't understand why we keep spinning our wheels and spending on money on two groups that clearly have no desire to ever accomplish anything.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2308 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 17):
On a related note, why do we support either side? Why can't we just withdraw the funds to both sides

AMAZING MAVERICK ...I back that  bigthumbsup 

Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2311 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 17):
On a related note, why do we support either side?

It started partly as an outgrowth of the Cold War. The Soviets propped up the Arabs and we helped the Israelis to ensure that we had an ally in the region and keep the balance of power in check.

And now, we arm both sides. The Egyptians, Jordanians, and Saudis all have plenty of American weapons at their disposal. This continues to keep the balance of power slightly in favor or Israel, but practically guarantees that any war between Israel and the Arabs will not be a rout one way or the other. The prospect of a protracted war makes an invasion from either side much less appealing.

Furthermore, we have the issue of stockpiles. Each side has only a limited amount of arms at their disposal. Essentially, nobody can wage a war longer than a few months at most without US approval.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 17):
Why can't we just withdraw the funds to both sides, tell them they'll get it back when they've put together a realistic peace agreement, and go on about our lives?

Doing that risks having one side gain a decisive advantage and start a war.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 17):
I don't understand why we keep spinning our wheels and spending on money on two groups that clearly have no desire to ever accomplish anything.

Because spinning our wheels is a more attractive option versus having a war. For one thing, spinning our wheels doesn't make gas prices go up.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2299 times:

Quoting N537FX (Reply 16):
What do you mean by this? Since these weapons were captured, that puts them out commission and now, they will not be used in an harmful way in Syria/Lebanon.

OK ...than it's good news

The timing to point out the Israeli annoucement is very interesting
The Israeli army chose to hold a press conference exactly the same time as the UN General Assembly was beginnning its debate on the Goldstone report .
Alex!!!

[Edited 2009-11-04 13:37:23 by cedars747]


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User currently offlineAvi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 943 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2242 times:



Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 20):
The timing to point out the Israeli annoucement is very interesting
The Israeli army chose to hold a press conference exactly the same time as the UN General Assembly was beginnning its debate on the Goldstone report .

The timing of the press conference was set by the timing of the ship capture (last night) which was set by the ship location. Nothing else.
But it is interesting. When the UN debate Israel's war against terror (to condemn it), the terrorists are getting more and more armed and with this kind of a report, why not?



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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5855 posts, RR: 40
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2231 times:



Quoting Avi (Reply 11):
The world's media doesn't report what is done to us so everybody are so surprise when we act to stop it.

stop acting like a victim, try living in a refugee camp your entire life and then you might have something to complain about, you can't even put a Palestinian flag up on this website, be thankful that you can at least put your flag up on here.



a true friend is someone who sees the pain in your eyes, while everyone else believes the smile on your face.
User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 27
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2226 times:



Quoting Avi (Reply 11):
The world's media doesn't report what is done to us so everybody are so surprise when we act to stop it.

And the Israelis have never, ever even thought about doing something that is legally or morally questionable?  Yeah sure I am not supporting the terrorist acts perpetrated by the Palestinians, but to portray the Israelis as nothing more than innocent victims is not even close to the truth.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineN537FX From Switzerland, joined Oct 2009, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2223 times:



Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 22):
refugee camp

How come Israel was able to absorb and properly take of Jewish refugees? Why can't Arab states handle such an issue properly? With all the money of oil rich nations, and so called "Arab brotherhood" or "Palestinian support" from Arab countries on the whole, why haven't they over past decades done more to improve life in these refugee camps? Supporting the Palestinians is a top priority for the Arab world, however, their "support" does not seem to show. If Israel, with little money and resources in 1948 could take care of a refugee population, Arab countries can do the same.


25 TheCol : Do you honestly think Hezbollah will drop their weapons and embrace democracy if Israel settles their issues with Lebanon? Iran is arming and using H
26 ME AVN FAN : Are you really wondering why ? The editors considered some points : - is the story really correct ? - who says that the weaponry really was for Hizbu
27 ME AVN FAN : A) if the stuff really was for Hizbullah, it is not sad B) if the stuff was for the Lebanese army or the Syrian army, it would be piracy C) "somewher
28 Post contains links QANTAS077 : because they do this... Palestinian Homes Destroyed By Israeli Police (by N1120A Nov 1 2009 in Non Aviation) seems odd to me that Iran would send wea
29 Avi : The kids of Sederot were victims. For six years we let the Palestinian fire on them thousands of rockets and we didn't stop it. If the world's media
30 BMI727 : ...and absolutely everyone who lost their life or their home to the Israelis was a hardcore terrorist. Yeah, we know and the American media tells us
31 QANTAS077 : remind me again who controls the incoming and outgoings of Gaza... you really want to go here? let me guess, they built their own houses? I hope you
32 Avi : To Egypt it is not us. Yes, they came and an hour latter they built their homes (before sunset). They lived for many years in a tin houses. A "house"
33 TheCol : I have yet to see some constructive comments from the usual individuals that wouldn't mind if Israel suddenly disappeared. Last time I checked, there
34 PanHAM : There's another aspect to this, if that was a legitimate arms transport for a legitimate army, like Syria, the arms would not have been transported on
35 SOBHI51 : Show me one quote where i was embracing Hezbollah. Both Hamas and Hezbollah are as much hinder to peace as Israel with all those settlements. You got
36 Cedars747 : You sound like someone talking about Monaco and not Israel .Do you think that Israel occupied Palestine,Lebanon and Syria with Tulips from the Nether
37 PanHAM : well, you sound exactly like someone who does not want peace in the Middle East to become reality The tiny little step Palestinians have to make is t
38 N537FX : This statement of yours in response to PanHAM has nothing to do with Israel's intelligence find. What does occupation have to do with with intelligen
39 Aaron747 : I would like to see one country in the world that kept would-be citizens behind walls and allowed a large minority population to remain in poverty co
40 Avi : The truth is difficult, right? There is not a single Israeli soldier on the Gaza-Egypt border. I wish I could say there is not a single Israeli soldi
41 Baroque : The really curious thing, Aaron, is that your interlocutors are leaping up and down for joy while one possible conclusion from the land occupation an
42 Cedars747 : That's because you don't know me well You'll Have To Forgive Me Your Highness.Than Why are they smuggling arms ? Is it for Carnaval ? Alex!!!
43 PanHAM : well, that's the benefit of an anonymus forum. However, sometimes the pictures shown in a a profile tell more than a thousand words. I would not want
44 Cedars747 : What are you talking about I am peace lover Alex!!!
45 MaverickM11 : So why don't we reduce our support to every nation in the area to the equivalent of one stick, so to speak, rather than expensive weapons and aid? Th
46 SOBHI51 : There must be something you see that i don't. Please clarify. You do not have to be there to be in control. I am and will not defend Hammas, but the
47 ImperialEagle : Yes, indeed! There has always been a serious double-standard when it comes to how Israel defends herself. Every other country in the world holds her
48 SOBHI51 : As usual when we do not agree you come with the anti-semites accusation. Is this the best you can do? None of us are against the Jews we are against
49 N537FX : Tough beans. Waiting at checkpoints is better than having suicide bombers running loose. Its inconvenience, yes, but things could have turned out dif
50 PanHAM : No, sorry, this indeed would have been a violation of all international laws. This is an unarmed merchant vessel and the crew was not aware of what t
51 Cedars747 : I totally agree with you Sobhi .It takes at least two to tango and as I said before Israel and Hizballah are two faces of same coin ! Alex!!!
52 TheCol : The definition of world peace varies from person to person.
53 Aaron747 : Oh there we go again - the baseless charge. That's right, just trot out the self-hating Jew label for me yet again
54 Aero145 : Where are they? What I see is something in the direction of anti-zionists, not semites. There is a huge difference there. Arabs don’t hate Jews, th
55 Avi : Yes, you are right. Of course it doesn't apply the other side. When a massive of Israeli civilians are getting killed it is not a mistake, it is 100%
56 BMI727 : So you are going to come out and call everyone who does not believe in giving Israel carte blanche to do whatever they want an anti-Semite. Are you k
57 N537FX : What is wrong with being anti zionist? What is wrong with a Jewish state? You may not like Israel's polices and ways it has related to the Arab world
58 Aero145 : There’s nothing wrong with a Jewish state... but there still is, how Israel was made. And for your information, before Israel was ”made” the Jew
59 BMI727 : It helps to have something to hold over their head. We can more or less force them to play ball with us since we can always threaten to cut off their
60 Aero145 : Sorry but I found this smoothing of the language a bit amusing. Of course it causes problems. True.
61 Aaron747 : Funny how once logic has been established in the discussion the defenders and finger-pointing crowd cease to have anything to contribute.
62 BMI727 : After the truth comes out all the pro-Israel crowd can do is play the anti-Semite card and run. Truth is there is no moral high ground here and those
63 ME AVN FAN : on the northern side it IS Israel. And Egypt has been forced into co-operation by the USA. Anything else is a lie. B) the relationship between Iran a
64 PanHAM : Iran Hezbollah "whereever" means that the shipment was either bound for Hamaz or for Hezbollah. Israel has the right to control and seize contraband
65 Post contains links Baroque : I think it is really amusing that Israeli cheerleaders are ecstatic about a couple of rockets while Abbas appears to be about to do what a Palestinian
66 TheCol : Remember that the dollar knows no politics. For example, the West and China have used the word "partners" on many occasions. That doesn't mean we lik
67 SOBHI51 : All countries are free to buy arms from any source. There is nothing wrong doing that as other counties do not have a lot of red tapes and hurdles to
68 PanHAM : these arms were not destined for an army but an illegal terrorist organisation. That makes the difference here.
69 SOBHI51 : Stop shouting it will do no good to your health From Wikipedia The Rafah crossing was opened on 25 November 2005 and operated nearly daily until 25 J
70 SOBHI51 : If you read carefully my posting i did not mention anything about organizations buying arms, they should not, but only countries.
71 Avi : I didn't see any proof from you that there ARE Israeli soldiers on the Gaza-Egypt border (that's ok, since they aren't, you can't proof it). Then you
72 Aero145 : Wow you don’t stop. How could you know that? And wouldn’t it simply make sense that there were soldiers from you there, eventhough nobody would s
73 SOBHI51 : I said it before you do not need Israeli soldiers to be there to control the border. Care to explain how Israel managed to close the border 86% of th
74 PanHAM : when I go back to posting 63 you are right, but you posted the meassage on which I replied without that reference. We are discussing the traffiking o
75 Avi : Yes, as an Israeli, how do I know (you definitely know better)? Maybe because I know that we completely withdrew from the Gaza Strip (something that
76 Aero145 : I definitely know better. As you can see in my above postings, I said I did. Sorry, but what you say is as much without proof as what the other guys
77 SOBHI51 : Tough. I got it from Wikipedia and not from a brother or a friend of a friend who knows somebody. Still lets say the figures are wrong but it still s
78 Avi : Yes, this is a problem. How do you proof something that doesn't exist? I thought you done. That was different era. There was an agreement between Isr
79 N537FX : You must be kidding, Wikipedia?? What cave did you crawl out of? Its a good source to get general ideas about stuff, but not to find stats, key dates
80 ImperialEagle : Because, of course, you are the true-compass of logic on this topic What "truth". You mean "opinions"? Oh, and here's a surprise-----some of us have
81 SOBHI51 : Thought so to, but you insist on trying to prove a point which is categorically wrong. You got a better source? Please tell me. But not that i know s
82 TheCol : Maybe the lack of posters has something to do with this thread being derailed by the official Israeli and Palestinian lobbyists of Anet. Last time I
83 N537FX : All I am trying to say is that you should not hold wikipedia in such high regard. Anyway this is not on topic. Both Israel and EGYPT, have a responsi
84 SA7700 : This thread will be locked as it has run its course. Any posts made after this post, will be deleted for housekeeping purposes. Rgds SA7700
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