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Tea Party Plans To Burn Pelosi In Effigy  
User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11325 posts, RR: 52
Posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2842 times:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...rn-pelosi-and-perriello-in-effigy/

WOW. Now they're bringing the best elements of third world banana republic politics to the United States. I think it's despicable, but I think their biggest problem is that this will backfire. The more people see Tea Party people doing stuff like this, the less people will be willing to engage in their events, even if they are like-minded with their politics.

What do you think?


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7703 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2832 times:
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Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
What do you think?

I think that.....

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
Now they're bringing the best elements of third world banana republic politics to the United States

.......sums it up nicely.

A ridiculous stunt that has no place in civilised society.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8840 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2829 times:



Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
WOW. Now they're bringing the best elements of third world banana republic politics to the United States. I think it's despicable, but I think their biggest problem is that this will backfire. The more people see Tea Party people doing stuff like this, the less people will be willing to engage in their events, even if they are like-minded with their politics.

Oh, puh...lease! It sounds like you think that all opposition to administrations before Obama were all respectful and nice. Let me enlighten you: http://zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/

Personally I agree that burning Pelosi in effigy is not a good idea. But don't pretend that Republicans/Conservatives/Moderates are the ones that have dragged down the level of discourse. Should I also drag out all the official Democratic party fund-raising letters that call opponents "nutcases", "redneck teabaggers", and "whackjobs"?



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User currently offlineWindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2723 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2825 times:



Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
What do you think?

I think that it is the healtcare plan that is despicable..



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7703 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2819 times:
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
Oh, puh...lease! It sounds like you think that all opposition to administrations before Obama were all respectful and nice

Hmm, I don't recall reading anything like in this thread so far......



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8840 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2813 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 4):
Hmm, I don't recall reading anything like in this thread so far......

Let me refresh your memory...

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
WOW. Now they're bringing the best elements of third world banana republic politics to the United States.

"Now" implies that this is new. "Wow" Implies that this is somehow a surprise.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7703 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2809 times:
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 5):
"Now" implies that this is new. "Wow" Implies that this is somehow a surprise.

Come on, that's a bit of a stretch. Thread was started about this particular incident, why must people here so often take a view and extrapolate and assume to the nth degree? It gets a bit silly sometimes.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11325 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2792 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
Personally I agree that burning Pelosi in effigy is not a good idea.

Then why do you start off by attacking the other extreme?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
ut don't pretend that Republicans/Conservatives/Moderates are the ones that have dragged down the level of discourse.

I'm talking specifically about tea party people, not "republicans/conservatives/moderates". Can you not see that certain things go too far?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
Should I also drag out all the official Democratic party fund-raising letters that call opponents "nutcases", "redneck teabaggers", and "whackjobs"?

It's pretty foolish to equate burning someone in effigy to calling someone a nutcase.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21620 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2785 times:



Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
Tea Party Plans To Burn Pelosi In Effigy

Yeah, that's real classy.  Yeah sure

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
But don't pretend that Republicans/Conservatives/Moderates are the ones that have dragged down the level of discourse.

If they're not part of the solution, they're part of the problem.

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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8840 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2773 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 6):

Come on, that's a bit of a stretch. Thread was started about this particular incident, why must people here so often take a view and extrapolate and assume to the nth degree? It gets a bit silly sometimes.

It's called speaking English.

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
I'm talking specifically about tea party people, not "republicans/conservatives/moderates". Can you not see that certain things go too far?

If it's not republicans/conservatives/moderates who are attending the tea parties, who do you think they are? Buddhists?

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
It's pretty foolish to equate burning someone in effigy to calling someone a nutcase.

It is equally offensive.

Quoting Mir (Reply 8):
If they're not part of the solution, they're part of the problem.

Sounds kinda like "You're either with us or against us". Nice show of intolerance - unless they agree with your solution of solving the country's problems by spending mountains of money we don't have and instead proposing austerity, then they are the enemy.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7703 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2768 times:
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):
It's called speaking English.

No, it's called putting words in people's mouths and assuming they hold opinions they might well not. It's almost the exact opposite of speaking English, attaching meanings to words that have not been intended or expressed. Still, it must be difficult seeing every single issue only in terms of right or left, republican or democrat. Believe it or not, human beings and the beliefs and opinions they hold are often a great deal more varied and complex than that.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21620 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2761 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):
Sounds kinda like "You're either with us or against us". Nice show of intolerance - unless they agree with your solution of solving the country's problems by spending mountains of money we don't have and instead proposing austerity, then they are the enemy.

Actually, my point was that regardless of who actually started the disintegration of public discourse in the country (and it's been going on for so long that I don't think anyone can put a decent claim to it), everyone has an obligation to try and correct it. And those who disregard that, regardless of their affiliation, aren't helping.

But thanks for putting words in my mouth and making it seem like I think anyone who opposes Obama is no better than a terrorist.  Yeah sure

Also, you might want to revisit what "intolerance" means. Hint: it doesn't mean that you can't disagree with something.

-Mir



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User currently offlineRightrudder From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2760 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
I'm talking specifically about tea party people, not "republicans/conservatives/moderates". Can you not see that certain things go too far?

It's an organized rally and composed of 100 or so participants. If anything, it is Pelosi's side that is oppressing a democratic right.

Quoting Mir (Reply 8):
If they're not part of the solution, they're part of the problem.

Sometimes, this is what it takes to make one heard. No disagreement can be solved one- sided.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8840 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2757 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 10):
No, it's called putting words in people's mouths and assuming they hold opinions they might well not. It's almost the exact opposite of speaking English, attaching meanings to words that have not been intended or expressed.

Oh, crap! He said it, and you are trying to argue that he both did not say it and it doesn't mean what it says. Give it up dude.

Back to the subject. Here is why people are upset with Pelosi, even more than with Obama and Ried. The country has a realistic chance to vote those guys out eventually, and we can get around to trying to repair the damage. But Pelosi is like a case of Herpes - we'll never get rid of her because of the district she is from is as loony as she is - she'll stay until she wants to retire. That is the source of frustration with her.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7703 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2749 times:
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
Oh, crap! He said it, and you are trying to argue that he both did not say it and it doesn't mean what it says. Give it up dude.

No, you took his words and extrapolated them to respresent a position he never stated. Never mind though, if you have to resort to such turn of phrase as 'oh crap' here then I guess there is no hope of an intelligent conversation anyway.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
all opposition to administrations before Obama were all respectful and nice

Those words were not spoken. You stated them. Nobody else. He commented on the actions of the Tea Party people.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21620 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2749 times:



Quoting Rightrudder (Reply 12):
Sometimes, this is what it takes to make one heard.

Since the whole country knows about the Tea Party people (and they have at least one, and arguably more than that, major supporters on major cable networks), I have a hard time believing that they really need to do this in order to have some relevance.

-Mir



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11325 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2732 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):
Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
I'm talking specifically about tea party people, not "republicans/conservatives/moderates". Can you not see that certain things go too far?

If it's not republicans/conservatives/moderates who are attending the tea parties, who do you think they are? Buddhists?


Not all republicans, conservatives and moderates are tea party people. Clearly I'm not attacking those that aren't going to tea parties.

It's not hard, dude.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):
Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
It's pretty foolish to equate burning someone in effigy to calling someone a nutcase.

It is equally offensive.

Baloney. I can't believe you can fit your lips to say that even. Calling someone a nutcase and burning someone in effigy are so distant from each other that even you could not possibly believe that. It just shows that you will stop at nothing to win an argument.



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User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11643 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2726 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
Oh, puh...lease! It sounds like you think that all opposition to administrations before Obama were all respectful and nice.

Yet, when ANY group would speak out against Bush or the GOP, all those in opposition were called terrorists, un-American and those currently against the GOP are being called Nazi, communist, socialist and marxist and still being called un-American by all the right-wing supporters.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
Should I also drag out all the official Democratic party fund-raising letters that call opponents "nutcases", "redneck teabaggers", and "whackjobs"?

Using those terms against the teabagger movement is completely different than what you are suggesting: that anyone opposed to the Dems are being called names.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
we'll never get rid of her because of the district she is from is as loony as she is - she'll stay until she wants to retire. That is the source of frustration with her.

Have you ever met anyone from SFO? Like every other district in this nation, they run the gamit from the loonacy that you believe she is to the bobble heads for the GOP you believe everyone should be. I think what you mean is: she reperesents all of those in her district well and, because of that, she will stand for re-election as long as she wants. The fact that she is Speaker of the House is irrelevant. People, especially the teabaggers and right-wing talking heads, always forget that. The house could, at any time, vote her out of the position. And, if the GOP wins a majority, she will not be speaker anymore. So, what are you complaining about? She has no real power. She gets one vote in the house, just like her other 434 collegues. How many people have been jumping on Boehner's butt for making silly comments and leading an anti-whatever it was rally last week? None. Why? He has no more power than Pelosi.

Quoting Mir (Reply 15):
I have a hard time believing that they really need to do this in order to have some relevance.

The heads of the teabagger movement have seen that their group has been out of the news for too long. They need to keep the teabaggers in the news so they can stay relavant.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11325 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2722 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 15):
I have a hard time believing that they really need to do this in order to have some relevance.

I'm pretty sure that this will push a lot of people who agree with their policy goals away because they don't want to be associated with such nutcases.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11325 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2705 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 19):
One is burning a puppet, and one is calling people names. Neither advances the discussion, but neither one actually hurts anyone.

Um... burning someone in effigy is symbolizing killing that person! You don't see that?

Would you say that hanging a fake body from a tree in the South is the same as calling someone a name? You don't think that hurts anyone? Get real. You're just arguing to be arguing at this point.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 19):
Your own repeated use of the "teabagger" moniker

The Tea Party people have used that word themselves from time to time.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21620 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2702 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 18):
I'm pretty sure that this will push a lot of people who agree with their policy goals away because they don't want to be associated with such nutcases.

That is the risk they take, but nobody forced them to put on such spectacles.

-Mir



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User currently offlineRightrudder From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2684 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 21):
Quoting D L X (Reply 18):
I'm pretty sure that this will push a lot of people who agree with their policy goals away because they don't want to be associated with such nutcases.

That is the risk they take, but nobody forced them to put on such spectacles.

Well, I didn't know much about this until it was posted and now I am beginning to see the light. For that I thank you.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2653 times:

Well, it isn't dignified, but I have to say I can't think of a better target in the current fight against socialized medicine.

But somebody needs to tell them that to kill a witch like Pelosi you need to drop a house on her or sog her down with a bucket of mop-water.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26481 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2641 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
It's pretty foolish to equate burning someone in effigy to calling someone a nutcase.

In fact, burning someone in effigy is a quick way to get called a nutcase.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):

If it's not republicans/conservatives/moderates who are attending the tea parties, who do you think they are?

Most of the teabaggers definitely aren't "conservatives." I would hardly call a whack job like Glenn Beck a "moderate" either.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):

Sounds kinda like "You're either with us or against us".

I am sure you supported that when Bush the Lesser said it.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11325 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2631 times:

What I really don't get about the people who say it's no different than calling someone a name is that burning someone in effigy is a violent act. Violence and politics do not mix.


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25 N1120A : Ask Michelle Bachman and her "a little revolution is good once in a while" or whatever policy.
26 MaverickM11 : I can only assume you were born in the last two years.
27 Seb146 : Isn't it amazing what two years can do? I mean, it was only two short years ago that anyone protesting were called all sorts of names and were told t
28 Dreadnought : Agreed there. LOL, that's something I'd love to see someone try. A slash can mean either/or, not just and. To borrow a term from liberals, the Tea Pa
29 N1120A : Either way, it was a terrible policy and further ignited a storm of hatred in this country. Or need I bring up all the people who were rounded up for
30 D L X : Stop being obtuse. Would you say burning a cross is not a violent act because it's just burning some wood? Please.
31 Windy95 : Then who are the Tea Party people? And I would not call a whack job like Obama a moderate either.
32 N1120A : Nothing "whack job" about Obama. And he is far more DLC than he is anything else.
33 NIKV69 : Kind of like trying to ram a health care bill down our throats with no regard for the will of the people? Not really, Pelosi and Obama have probably
34 Post contains images Maverick623 : " target=_blank>http://zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/ Sorry DLX, but I never saw a thread where you condemned the burning of Bush's effigy, much less
35 D L X : Not surprised that you would find violence targetting an elected official equivalent to the legal work of Congress. I mean seriously, the knee-jerk c
36 OA412 : I'm reminded of that old saying regarding practicing what you preach... And yet it was more often than not applied to individuals rather than to fore
37 NIKV69 : LOL, you far lefties always seem to forget your buddy Bill Ayers huh? Don't for a second try to say the far right is the only party capable of violen
38 OA412 : How many "third world banana republics" do you know that offer their citizens government sponsored healthcare? Or are you actually implying that Cana
39 DXing : I think you are right that it is wrong to burn Pelosi in effigy or in any other form. I hope they decide to change their minds. However, your comment
40 NIKV69 : No just that we don't want to give half our paycheck back to the government like they do. Truth hurts huh?
41 LTBEWR : I bet for sure woman's groups (like NOW) and other Democrats will speak out about this attempt to act in such a hateful matter toward Congresswoman/Sp
42 San747 : Whatever. Let the tea partiers do it. It's not illegal, and it's just a pathetic attempt to get attention and blow some smoke. Reasonable people on bo
43 Maverick623 : Rounded up? Good God man, this isn't China! No, it does not. This was decided back in the flag-burning days. Two words. Weather Underground.
44 Cws818 : Your opinions and interpretations are not necessarily the truth.
45 Mir : Agreed, and such things do not represent their cause well. Same thing as above. Actions by fellow protestors, sure, but I'd be very hard pressed to t
46 Maverick623 : I am well aware, but to suggest that this particular protest is the first and worst highly organized one is just plain wrong.
47 Post contains links N1120A : You don't think you do already ace? Our government just taxes more quietly, and in a more regressive way. Not to mention the massive "taxes" American
48 Post contains links NIKV69 : No but we can resume this topic on election night 2010 and go from there. True but we are still far below the tax wedge they and Sweden pay. Her acti
49 N1120A : Rasmussen is only the "most respected" pollster for those who pretend FOX News is "fair and balanced." Also, the following line is pretty indicative
50 NIKV69 : No, it's the most respected and accurate because it's been proven but nice try. Your not alone and it's moot soon because it will die in the senate u
51 Seb146 : It's funny how the right-wing supporters seem to incude anyone who votes or even thinks about voting Democrat as being the exact in line with the few
52 Maverick623 : So, even if the Democrats do not sustain the total and complete beatdown you predict, you'll find some way to call it a "psychological victory" or "s
53 OA412 : Truth according to whom? Rush Limbaugh? Sean Hannity? So are you trying to fool us, yourself, or both? By whom?
54 Post contains links D L X : When it happened, I didn't know about it. When it was brought to my attention, I condemned it. So, when you say "I never saw a thread where you conde
55 Yellowstone : It's a particularly virulent form of egotism on NIK's part - he's so convinced that he must be right, and that the validity of his opinion is so appa
56 NIKV69 : Well judging by this past election day and the fact that some Dem Senators are losing badly already I wouldn't be so sure but like I said we can star
57 DXing : And it would certainly seem much more convincing if you included it in your first post in the thread instead of having to have it drawn out in some f
58 OA412 : Strike a nerve did I? When did I say that everyone who disagrees with Obama is a 'far right whack job'? There are plenty of people who are oppossed t
59 N1120A : You threw that out there a little bare, but I think that was intentional. Again, nothing. Yeah. I thought of saying something, but I am waiting for a
60 Dreadnought : My opinion on that should be pretty clear, given my earlier condemnation of effigy burnings.
61 Dreadnought : As I recall they are more accurate because their poll is based on likely voters.
62 DocLightning : Gotta stick up for him: Not Dreaddy's style at all. And he's correct. Burning someone in effigy is distasteful, but harmless. These people are distas
63 NIKV69 : Not at all, you still refuse to see that I oppose Obama for legitimate reasons but that is fine. He has dug himself a hole he can't get out of now an
64 Cws818 : Please bookmark this thread, then. I have always wondered what crow tastes like...
65 Yellowstone : Nearly all pollsters use some form of likely voter model, but those models differ from company to company. Take the 2008 election - if you're a conse
66 D l x : And yet, you won't say it. I never said anything about this guy being far right. He is a nut, but it is not because he is far right (if he is far rig
67 D l x : And yet, you won't say it. I never said anything about this guy being far right. He is a nut, but it is not because he is far right (if he is far rig
68 DXing : nuff said.
69 D l x : Right. You know come to think of it, I don't recall ever hearing you say that you disagree with the people that bomb abortion clinics, or the vigilan
70 DXing : Have I posted in one of those threads? When I do post in a thread such as this I make my position clear from the very begining so people that might n
71 FuturePilot16 : While they're at it, the tea party might as well make flags with Obama on it and burn them as well. We see these kind of protests on the streets of th
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