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Mercedes To Sell A&B Class Cars In U.S. In 2012  
User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3287 posts, RR: 6
Posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 8738 times:

Mercedes Benz will enter the premium compact/subcompact car segment in 2012 with one imported vehicle or possibly 2 models.

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Mercedes Benz B-Class 5-door


^The automakers interest in the compact segment first became public during 2008 – when gasoline prices reached $4 a gallon around the US – but the subsequent economic collapse forced Mercedes to suspend its small car plans. However, with the market showing signs of recovery, Mercedes-Benz has recently decided to revisit its small car plans.

According to the Wall Street Journal, CEO Dieter Zetsche stated that Mercedes-Benz is considering marketing at least one of its four new compact vehicles in the United States. The compact Mercedes would compete with smaller vehicles - meaming the BMW 1-Series, MINI Cooper, and Audi A3.

It remains unclear exactly which model — or models — will be imported to the US but the next-generation B-Class appears to be the most likely candidate to appear in Mercedes U.S. showrooms sometime in 2012. Adding a small premium vehicle would not only give Mercedes an answer for the competitor's vehicles, but would also help the company to meet the higher upcoming U.S. CAFE federal fuel economy regulations, especially if the vehicle is offered with the 50+ MPG 2 liter diesel motor here. Gas engines range from 1.5 liter to a turbo 2.0 liter 4 cylinder with 5 or 6 speed manuals or a CVT transmission.

Source: http://www.benzinsider.com/2008/11/m...-b-class-successors-to-us-in-2012/


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User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 8702 times:

In Canada we have the B class... have asked many time why no A class.. well I guess it would
interfere with the Smart car to a degree, however think the A class would be nice to have...

Cheerios,


User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 8612 times:

What a nice bit of news! I think it's about time that the US consumers realize that size is not everything and that a small car can be as premium feeling and luxurious as a big yacht. When I bought my VW GTI last winter a few mates quipped about how small it was and why I didn't buy something bigger...er, there are many of us who actually prefer small cars with manual transmissions and will continue to patronize those manufacturers who understand the concept of building a premium and sporty yet practical small car such as VW, Audi, BMW/MINI, Volvo and now Mercedes-Benz.

I wonder, though, if they will import them from Deutschland or if they'll build them in Alabama to at least have a shot at a profit...


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40073 posts, RR: 74
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 8589 times:



Quoting Charles79 (Reply 2):
I think it's about time that the US consumers realize that size is not everything

Size IS everything.  yes 

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 2):
a small car can be as premium feeling and luxurious as a big yacht.

AMC was doing that in the late 1970s with the Concord Limited and Chrysler was doing that in the 1980s with the front-drive K-based New Yorker Turbo.

Compact luxury is nothing new to the US consumers.



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User currently offlineFoppishbum From Taiwan, joined Mar 2006, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 8577 times:

Been hearing rumors about it for a while now. I hope this time isn't like last time!! I've been waiting for the B class!! Big grin This is good news and by 2012 I'm pretty sure I'll be ready to give up my CLK 320 and get a B class!


I'm a Taiwanese-American living in NYC and LA.
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40073 posts, RR: 74
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 8570 times:



Quoting Charles79 (Reply 2):
small car can be as premium feeling and luxurious as a big yacht.

Now here is a premium feeling luxurious small car.

Even a classy gentleman like Ricardo Montalban drove this car.  Cool
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/ad_chrysler_new_yorker_1986_black_t.jpg

Look at that thick & rich Corinthian Leather.  Cool





No argument that these seats are very comfortable plus these cars have deep-shag carpeting unlike that little Mercedes.





These little Mercedes have hard seats and are not comfortable cars to ride in.



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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 8567 times:

I'd want to know what price range they're gonna be selling them at. And even if they're reasonable, I'm sure IF they sell well it will probably just because they're wearing a MB badge. Not the prettiest things to look at.

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 2):
When I bought my VW GTI last winter a few mates quipped about how small it was and why I didn't buy something bigger.

Did you have them sit in the back? The GTI is deceiving, specially the coupe. We would send 6ft+ guys to the back of my friends GTI and they bitched moaned and would refuse to sit in the back seats. But when we finally convince them to get their asses in the back, they always are shocked at the leg room. They still had plenty of space and its not like the front seats were fully forward either.


User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 8564 times:

Those New Yorker seats actually do look comfy. Wouldn't want them in a car though, but for the home they could be nice.

User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 8551 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
Compact luxury is nothing new to the US consumers.

You are right it's nothing new...but for some reason only a few premium compact cars (BMW 3-Series, for instance) have really sold in any substantial numbers, never mind practical premium compact hatchbacks. Cadillac tried twice (Cimarron, Catera) before giving up, and even Mercedes-Benz found it difficult to shift the previous generation C-Class coupe. And does anyone remember the BMW 318ti from the mid-90's? Thought so.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
Now here is a premium feeling luxurious small car.

Sorry Fly, that's still a bit too big for my taste, though the 1990 K-based Imperial was a favorite of my childhood. I'm a city boy, I prefer small cars that can zip through traffic and offer a rewarding drive while offering some the amenities and features found in larger premium cars. Add a hatchback body style to the equation and I'm sold! The Audi A3/Volvo C30/Ford Focus/VW Golf size is as big as I'd go.

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 6):
They still had plenty of space and its not like the front seats were fully forward either.

Oh believe me, one sitting down and they couldn't believe it! The VW engineers really did a great job in extracting every cm of space from that cabin, and my 6ft frame never asks for more room, even if I'm riding in the back behind my brother.

The new Ford Fiesta is actually surprisingly roomy inside as well despite its small footprint. My brother test drove one at the Miami auto show and came out impressed. If you thought Ford was doing good this year watch out for when they bring the Fiesta AND new Focus into the market...

Cheers!

Charles


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40073 posts, RR: 74
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 8537 times:



Quoting Charles79 (Reply 8):
but for some reason only a few premium compact cars (BMW 3-Series, for instance) have really sold in any substantial numbers,

The K-based Chrysler New Yorkers and Lebarons sold like hotcakes. They pulled Chrysler out of bankruptcy, paid back every penny borrowed from the federal government within three years and build a company headquarters which is one of the largest buildings in the world; 5,300,000 sq ft.
So I'd say the car was a huge success.

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 8):
Sorry Fly, that's still a bit too big for my taste,

These cars were smaller or about the same size as a modern day Honda Civic.
These cars had big car styling but were very small cars.

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 8):
offering some the amenities and features found in larger premium cars.

These cars had all of those amenities. Dual power leather seats, power windows, power glass moonroof, air conditioning, optional convertible top (Lebaron), Cruise control, electronic digital dash complete with electronic trip computer, miles/km till empty indicator, miles/km per gallon/liter calculator, electronic voice alert system, thick cut-pile carpeting, chrome and simulated woodgrain trim, hood ornament just to name a few features.
The 2.2 liter turbocharged engine was peppy for it's time.




Quoting Charles79 (Reply 8):
Cadillac tried twice (Cimarron, Catera) before giving up,

The most powerful & luxurious small car was the 1991 Cadillac Seville and Eldorado.
Don't let the big car 'styling' fool you. These cars are about the same size as a Honda Civic and is powered by a 4.9 liter V8 that puts out 200HP.
These small Cadillacs are lightweight and very fast.
These 'new' econoboxes by Mercedes comes within a few inches of the 1980s & early 1990s New Yorker, Seville and Eldorado.



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Quoting Charles79 (Reply 8):
the 1990 K-based Imperial was a favorite of my childhood.

..and the longest of the K-car platform besides the Executive and Limousine.

Quoting Racko (Reply 7):
Those New Yorker seats actually do look comfy. Wouldn't want them in a car though, but for the home they could be nice.

Yes they are. One of the most comfortable cars seats I have ever sat in.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8458 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
No argument that these seats are very comfortable plus these cars have deep-shag carpeting unlike that little Mercedes.

Raise your hand if you want deep shag carpetting...

Yeah, I thought so.

The attempts of American automakers to "luxurize" small cars in the late 1970s and 1980s were pathetic, and sales figures show it.

That's not to say American companies fail at doing it. The Saturn Astra and the upcoming Ford Fiesta do an excellent job at adding high-end equipment and quality to a small car. Then again, guess where those two cars were developed.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40073 posts, RR: 74
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8455 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
Raise your hand if you want deep shag carpetting...

Me raises hand.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
The attempts of American automakers to "luxurize" small cars in the late 1970s and 1980s were pathetic, and sales figures show it.

Oh really?
I guess you missed this part;

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
The K-based Chrysler New Yorkers and Lebarons sold like hotcakes. They pulled Chrysler out of bankruptcy, paid back every penny borrowed from the federal government within three years and build a company headquarters which is one of the largest buildings in the world; 5,300,000 sq ft.
So I'd say the car was a huge success.




Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8483 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8427 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
Even a classy gentleman like Ricardo Montalban drove this car.

Never bought one, but rented more than a few back when. Surprisingly comfortable. And I do remember the seats being very comfortable.

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 8):
Cadillac tried twice (Cimarron, Catera) before giving up

I never could figure the Cimarron out. Holden in Australia had moved from the Kingswood platform to the Commodore, which was basically an Opel design. That would have been the perfect size for the Cimarron and I was sure they would go that way. Then I saw a Cimarron at a dealers on a trip to the US (was living in Australia in those days) and couldn't believe what was actually delivered. Caddie blew that opportunity for sure.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
The attempts of American automakers to "luxurize" small cars in the late 1970s and 1980s were pathetic, and sales figures show it.

As I recall, downsizing luxury followed a GM edict that execs driving a company car would get one from their division. All of a sudden the execs at Chevy and Pontiac had to drive the cars they made. That brought about "luxury" versions of the core cars - like the Chevy Caprice. When those took off the luxury versions of even smaller cars started showing up.

As for MB delivering the A & B Class cars, would be great if they get aggressive on pricing. Otherwise I think that they missed the boat.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40073 posts, RR: 74
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8421 times:



Quoting Ken777 (Reply 12):
Surprisingly comfortable. And I do remember the seats being very comfortable.

Yes those were very comfortable with the best state of the art electronic features in it's day.
Too bad the 2.2 turbo wasn't that powerful but then again, no cars were all that powerful during those years.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 12):
I never could figure the Cimarron out.

Then I saw a Cimarron at a dealers on a trip to the US (was living in Australia in those days) and couldn't believe what was actually delivered. Caddie blew that opportunity for sure.

I agree. The Cavalier/Cimarron and other J-bodies were not bad cars at all it's just that Cadillac should have never had it's name on that platform. It would have been better if the Cimarron was called the Chevrolet Cavalier Classic. Basically a super plush version of the base Cavalier which is what a Cimarron really was. Cadillac's reputation would have been spared also.
It seems as though the 1986-1991 Seville achieved what the Cimarron was trying to accomplish.
A small luxurious car.
1991 model was particularly special because of the 200HP 4.9 liter V8.
By then Cadillac was ready to roll out the redesigned Seville for the 1992 model year so not much marketing was put in to place for the last of the small Sevilles.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 12):
As for MB delivering the A & B Class cars, would be great if they get aggressive on pricing. Otherwise I think that they missed the boat.

These will sale well to the show of urban hipsters in the big cities without sacrificing their reputation as a rich person's brand.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8041 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 6 days ago) and read 8414 times:

The fact Mercedes-Benz showed a five-door compact hatchback concept in the B-Class size at several auto shows in the USA in 2008 means Mercedes-Benz is VERY serious about selling the next-generation B-Class hatchback here.

It's very likely if M-B gives the go-ahead the new B-Class hatchback will be built at their Alabama assembly line. And it may even sport a new hybrid drivetrain, too.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40073 posts, RR: 74
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8387 times:

Can you believe Aston Martin is considering a joke mini-car too?!?!?!  vomit 

Hate to see such a respectable brand like Aston Martin crap out a turd like this.
YUCK!
http://autoworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/aston-martin-cygnet-luxury-commuter-concept-car-teaser-img_1.jpg



Quoting Charles79 (Reply 8):
never mind practical premium compact hatchbacks.

Add a hatchback body style to the equation and I'm sold!



Quoting RayChuang (Reply 14):
The fact Mercedes-Benz showed a five-door compact hatchback concept in the B-Class size at several auto shows in the USA in 2008 means Mercedes-Benz is VERY serious about selling the next-generation B-Class hatchback here.

For premium compact hatchback, give me a mid 70s Buick Skyhawk or Pontiac Sunbird.
At least these had optional V8, shag carpeting, woodgrain trim and CB radio.  Smile




Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2853 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8376 times:

We need to remind Superfly that we are living in 2009 and not the 70s... consumer taste and needs has moved on ever since.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
The Saturn Astra and the upcoming Ford Fiesta do an excellent job at adding high-end equipment and quality to a small car. Then again, guess where those two cars were developed.

EUROPE!!!  thumbsup 

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 8):
Cadillac Cimarron

God... I remember seeing one in Miami one day while I was doing my laundry, I thought "what the heck is this... it was square... and brown... ugh...

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 8):
Cadillac Catera

Another Euro-designed car, mid 90s Opel Omega, don't think it sold too well in the US tho.

MIAspotter.



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User currently offlineJJJ From Spain, joined May 2006, 1891 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8376 times:

The B class is a turd anyway. Not worthy of the badge.

Purely for badge snobs who wouldn't be seen dead on a Scénic or Zafira.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40073 posts, RR: 74
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8366 times:



Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 16):
We need to remind Superfly that.....

No I just had to remind Charles79 that this isn't the first time premium brands have made small luxury cars.

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 16):
Another Euro-designed car, mid 90s Opel Omega, don't think it sold too well in the US tho.

Correct.
Those sold poorly here in the US.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineJJJ From Spain, joined May 2006, 1891 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8350 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
The K-based Chrysler New Yorkers and Lebarons sold like hotcakes.

Well, yeah, but small? Those things were almost 5m. long!! A B-class is barely 4,2m. (smaller than an Euro Ford Focus).


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