AM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1692 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1638 times:
So, now that we have the 32 teams that will take part in the 2010 World Cup. What do you think would be the best way to seed them? FIFA ranking? Past WC performance? Both?
From what I read, Argentina, Netherlands and Portugal might not be seeded in the top spots. What about the rest of the pots?
According to this, the seeing in the pots looks like this:
Pot 1: South Africa, Brazil, Germany, Italy, Spain, England, France, Argentina
Pot 2: Portugal, Netherlands, Switzerland, Slovenia, Greece, Denmark, Serbia, Slovakia
Pot 3: Uruguay, Chile, Paraguay, Ghana, Cameroon, Cote d’Ivoire, Nigeria, Algeria
Pot 4: South Korea, Japan, Australia, North Korea, Mexico, USA, Honduras, New Zealand
Basically it's the same thing that Marca predicted some time ago, but it's also not official. I believe the final seedings won't be done until some days before the draw in Cape Town.
With these pots, I'm going to make a fan draw myself.
Group A: RSA, SRB, ALG, JPN
Group B: GER, SVN, GHA, HON
Group C: ARG, NED, CMR, KOR
Group D: BRA, SUI, CIV, USA
Group E: ENG, POR, CHI, NZL
Group F: ITA, GRE, NGA, AUS
Group G: ESP, SVK, URU, PRK
Group H: FRA, DEN, PAR, MEX
According to this draw, Group C with the Netherlands would be the Group of Death, while Germany, Italy and Spain would have probably the easiest groups, and Australia would have the chance at some revenge against Italy.
AM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1692 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1593 times:
I'm hoping it's done by ranking and past WC performance all the way down, not just for top seeds.
Mexico or the US could be affected just for being CONCACAF members. The 2006 top seed formula would have Mexico and the US (in that order) right behind Portugal and the Netherlands for a TOP seed spot (let alone Pot 4!!!).
We could argue that groups H and D are pretty tight. That will happen with mostly any draw. That's what happens when you place top 16 teams where they don't belong.
LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 51 Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1461 times:
Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 5): Put South Korea in that group as well, so Australia gets revenge on Italy who gets revenge on South Korea
That's impossible because AUS and KOR are from the same confederation. According to the rules, only European teams can have a maximum of two teams in a single group.
Quoting AlexEU (Reply 8): When are we going to see the WC groups and teams?
GrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2541 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1447 times:
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 10): That's impossible because AUS and KOR are from the same confederation. According to the rules, only European teams can have a maximum of two teams in a single group.
Thanks for the clarifications
"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 51 Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1406 times:
Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9): Certainly a grouping to make sure Brazil has an easy route to the final.
I don't think it's that easy. For the fake group I drew Brazil into, SUI has with Ottmar Hitzfeld a man who has clearly made progressive improvements with his team (just look at how they evolved since the embarassing loss against Luxembourg) and who has had experience in winning the Champions League and multiple German championships with FC Bayern and the BVB. CIV is a rising power in African football, they will be difficult to defeat if Drogba & Co. are at their best. Perhaps the USA is an easier target for BRA than the other two, but remember that they can be a pain in the ass for BRA if you remember the Confed Cup this year.
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14): Oh that memory is burned in my mind!
On the bright side, due to his injuries, Francesco "The Dying Swan" Totti isn't going to the World Cup anyway, so no need to worry about him.
Longhornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3102 posts, RR: 47 Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 5 hours ago) and read 1360 times:
Can someone explain to me exactly how the Seedings/Pairings work? What exactly are the pots (one team from each pot is drawn to make the 4 team groups? No team from any one pot will be put in the same group with each other?) and how are they determined (pot 1 is better than pot 2 and so on?)?
I'd hate to see the US put in the same group as Brazil, but we did give them a run for their money at the Confederations Cup Final in SA earlier this year.
LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 51 Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 4 hours ago) and read 1353 times:
Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 18): Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 7):
Why? France is 7th in the FIFA rankings and they were finalist of the last World Cup. I see nothing illogical here.
Well I think it's pretty clear... you've been "handed" over that spot!
That was priceless!
BTW guys, these pots are not official! They're just seedings that originally came out as something speculative in Marca (Spanish sports newspaper heavily afiliated with Real Madrid) and were spread in the link I provided. Officially, from FIFA's side, the formula for the seedings has not been defined yet, and will not be defined until a few days before the actual draw.
GrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2541 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months ago) and read 1320 times:
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 19): BTW guys, these pots are not official! They're just seedings that originally came out as something speculative in Marca (Spanish sports newspaper heavily afiliated with Real Madrid) and were spread in the link I provided. Officially, from FIFA's side, the formula for the seedings has not been defined yet, and will not be defined until a few days before the actual draw.
But most likely to happen.
[Edited 2009-11-23 02:06:48]
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