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User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1773 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2261 times:

So, now that we have the 32 teams that will take part in the 2010 World Cup. What do you think would be the best way to seed them? FIFA ranking? Past WC performance? Both?

From what I read, Argentina, Netherlands and Portugal might not be seeded in the top spots. What about the rest of the pots?

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User currently offlineSignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 2997 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2236 times:

Seeded on order of qualification to the WC. Therefore, France seeded bottom  Wink

Realistically, I'd rather there were no seeding at all. But there will be. So it should be done on FIFA world ranking.

signol



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...2010-england-set-for-seeding-boost

According to this, the seeing in the pots looks like this:

Pot 1: South Africa, Brazil, Germany, Italy, Spain, England, France, Argentina
Pot 2: Portugal, Netherlands, Switzerland, Slovenia, Greece, Denmark, Serbia, Slovakia
Pot 3: Uruguay, Chile, Paraguay, Ghana, Cameroon, Cote d’Ivoire, Nigeria, Algeria
Pot 4: South Korea, Japan, Australia, North Korea, Mexico, USA, Honduras, New Zealand

Basically it's the same thing that Marca predicted some time ago, but it's also not official. I believe the final seedings won't be done until some days before the draw in Cape Town.

With these pots, I'm going to make a fan draw myself.  Wink

Group A: RSA, SRB, ALG, JPN
Group B: GER, SVN, GHA, HON
Group C: ARG, NED, CMR, KOR
Group D: BRA, SUI, CIV, USA
Group E: ENG, POR, CHI, NZL
Group F: ITA, GRE, NGA, AUS
Group G: ESP, SVK, URU, PRK
Group H: FRA, DEN, PAR, MEX

According to this draw, Group C with the Netherlands would be the Group of Death, while Germany, Italy and Spain would have probably the easiest groups, and Australia would have the chance at some revenge against Italy.  Wink


User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1773 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2216 times:

I'm hoping it's done by ranking and past WC performance all the way down, not just for top seeds.

Mexico or the US could be affected just for being CONCACAF members. The 2006 top seed formula would have Mexico and the US (in that order) right behind Portugal and the Netherlands for a TOP seed spot (let alone Pot 4!!!).

We could argue that groups H and D are pretty tight. That will happen with mostly any draw. That's what happens when you place top 16 teams where they don't belong.


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2208 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 2):
Pot 1: South Africa, Brazil, Germany, Italy, Spain, England, France, Argentina

Germany is definitely in pot #1 (hmmm.... pot...  Silly  Wink ). Several media (WDR, WAZ) confirmed that yesterday already.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 2):
and Australia would have the chance at some revenge against Italy.

When it happens, I'll drink a whole case of Foster's to celebrate that! Big grin

Patrick


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2810 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2180 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 2):
and Australia would have the chance at some revenge against Italy.

Put South Korea in that group as well, so Australia gets revenge on Italy who gets revenge on South Korea  Wink



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User currently offlineShamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1596 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2165 times:

France in pot 1! What a joke!

User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2810 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2129 times:



Quoting Shamrock321 (Reply 6):
France in pot 1! What a joke!

Why? France is 7th in the FIFA rankings and they were finalist of the last World Cup. I see nothing illogical here.



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User currently offlineAlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1817 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

When are we going to see the WC groups and teams?

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 2):
Pot 2: Portugal, Netherlands, Switzerland, Slovenia, Greece, Denmark, Serbia, Slovakia

Finally, Serbia will not be with Netherlands !!


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13041 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2089 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 2):
Pot 4: South Korea, Japan, Australia, North Korea, Mexico, USA, Honduras, New Zealand

That is a very interesting pot - NK and SK as well as the USA, a political nightmare.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 2):
Group D: BRA, SUI, CIV, USA

Certainly a grouping to make sure Brazil has an easy route to the final. I am not too stong on the USA having a good run in this WC.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2084 times:



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 5):
Put South Korea in that group as well, so Australia gets revenge on Italy who gets revenge on South Korea

That's impossible because AUS and KOR are from the same confederation. According to the rules, only European teams can have a maximum of two teams in a single group.

Quoting AlexEU (Reply 8):
When are we going to see the WC groups and teams?

The draw is on December 4th in Cape Town.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2079 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 2):
With these pots, I'm going to make a fan draw myself.

You really want AUS and ITA to meet in the same group!?


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2810 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2070 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 10):
That's impossible because AUS and KOR are from the same confederation. According to the rules, only European teams can have a maximum of two teams in a single group.

Thanks for the clarifications  Smile



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User currently offlineFlyboysp From Australia, joined Apr 2007, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2067 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 11):
You really want AUS and ITA to meet in the same group!?

Just think back to the last world cup and you will understand why.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2053 times:



Quoting Flyboysp (Reply 13):
Just think back to the last world cup and you will understand why.

Oh that memory is burned in my mind!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2yM01eJo7A


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2029 times:



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
Certainly a grouping to make sure Brazil has an easy route to the final.

I don't think it's that easy. For the fake group I drew Brazil into, SUI has with Ottmar Hitzfeld a man who has clearly made progressive improvements with his team (just look at how they evolved since the embarassing loss against Luxembourg) and who has had experience in winning the Champions League and multiple German championships with FC Bayern and the BVB. CIV is a rising power in African football, they will be difficult to defeat if Drogba & Co. are at their best. Perhaps the USA is an easier target for BRA than the other two, but remember that they can be a pain in the ass for BRA if you remember the Confed Cup this year.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
Oh that memory is burned in my mind!

On the bright side, due to his injuries, Francesco "The Dying Swan" Totti isn't going to the World Cup anyway, so no need to worry about him.  Wink


User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4302 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1993 times:

Will they bring back the hot and cold spheres like in 2002?  stirthepot 


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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3278 posts, RR: 45
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1983 times:

Can someone explain to me exactly how the Seedings/Pairings work? What exactly are the pots (one team from each pot is drawn to make the 4 team groups? No team from any one pot will be put in the same group with each other?) and how are they determined (pot 1 is better than pot 2 and so on?)?

I'd hate to see the US put in the same group as Brazil, but we did give them a run for their money at the Confederations Cup Final in SA earlier this year.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3146 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1980 times:



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 7):
Why? France is 7th in the FIFA rankings and they were finalist of the last World Cup. I see nothing illogical here.

Well I think it's pretty clear... you've been "handed" over that spot!  Wink



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1976 times:



Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 18):
Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 7):
Why? France is 7th in the FIFA rankings and they were finalist of the last World Cup. I see nothing illogical here.

Well I think it's pretty clear... you've been "handed" over that spot!

That was priceless!  rotfl   bigthumbsup 

BTW guys, these pots are not official! They're just seedings that originally came out as something speculative in Marca (Spanish sports newspaper heavily afiliated with Real Madrid) and were spread in the link I provided. Officially, from FIFA's side, the formula for the seedings has not been defined yet, and will not be defined until a few days before the actual draw.


User currently offlineDc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2269 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1967 times:

Not official, but pretty close. It's always been this way... IMO one of the unfairest draws there is.

Pots 3 and 4 will surely be as indicated; there might be a slight difference between pots 1 and 2 but probably there will not be even that.


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2810 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1943 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 19):
BTW guys, these pots are not official! They're just seedings that originally came out as something speculative in Marca (Spanish sports newspaper heavily afiliated with Real Madrid) and were spread in the link I provided. Officially, from FIFA's side, the formula for the seedings has not been defined yet, and will not be defined until a few days before the actual draw.

But most likely to happen.

[Edited 2009-11-23 02:06:48]


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