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Chavez Hails Terrorist, Dictators  
User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1142 times:

Can't say I'm surprised by anything this guy does/says anymore. .

Quote:
In a speech to international socialist politicians, Mr Chavez said "Carlos", a Venezuelan, was not a terrorist but a key "revolutionary fighter".

He is serving a life sentence in France for murders committed in 1975.

Mr Chavez also hailed Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe, Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and the late Ugandan dictator Idi Amin.

'Great nationalist'

Carlos, whose real name is Ilich Ramirez Sanchez, gained international notoriety in the 1970s as a mastermind of deadly bombings, assassinations and hostage-takings.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8372250.stm

[Edited 2009-11-21 11:43:36]


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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1119 times:

Nothing new about that. We all know Chávez supports known terrorists (e.g. Carlos, the FARC) and known dictators such as Mass Murderer Mugabe, Mahmoud IWantAJihad and Krazy Kim.

User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1116 times:

Just noticed no where on what I quoted says "Carlos the Jackal", as he is most commonly known. My mistake.


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26979 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1115 times:

Absolute crack pot IMHO. Cant believe that the Venezuelan people are standing for it.

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12468 posts, RR: 37
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1107 times:

Seems currently to be hell-bent on war with Colombia ... which might provide a pretext to get rid of him.

Amid all his hot air and talk, has he actually improved the lot of the Venezuelan people?


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1103 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 3):
Cant believe that the Venezuelan people are standing for it.

Well, most of the people who voted for him were people who lived below the poverty line and were "recruited" with hot soups and false promisses. Sure, there are some people who do not live in poverty, supporting him, but I believe those are the vast minority of people in the country. The rest is either very silent about it, has to keep quiet if they don't want to lose their jobs or become second class citizens, or is simply indifferent. And those who do protest are mostly students, who get attacked by counterprotests from Chávez friendly students.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 4):
Amid all his hot air and talk, has he actually improved the lot of the Venezuelan people?

No, he made things worse. For starters, the government wants to formally restrict freedom of speech, plus he's trying to get indefinite re-elections to be installed, so he can remain in power until at least 2030.


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9209 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1063 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 5):
No, he made things worse. For starters, the government wants to formally restrict freedom of speech, plus he's trying to get indefinite re-elections to be installed, so he can remain in power until at least 2030

So Adolf Hitler is pretty much reincarnated, in the form of this @$#hole!! What a corrupt bastard! He makes our crooked politicians look like saints!  scared 



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1059 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 6):
So Adolf Hitler is pretty much reincarnated, in the form of this @$#hole!! What a corrupt bastard! He makes our crooked politicians look like saints! scared

Like I've said many times, there are many similarities between Chávez and Hitler, mostly of how they tried to get into power, and now how they're consolidating power for themselves. With Chávez, the term "Gleichschaltung" tends to come to mind again. Nowadays, the only difference between Hitler and Chávez is purely in terms of domestic political ideology, plus the fact that, while he doesn't want to commit genocide like Hitler, that Chávez discriminates his opponents equally, regardless of religion and ethnicity.


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1047 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 4):
has he actually improved the lot of the Venezuelan people?

Check this out:

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20091118-715953.html

 Yeah sure



"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1032 times:

Seems like most of the people he admires are or were abject failures of one kind or another, so the good news is, he'll probably follow them right into an ignominious end.

User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3761 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1007 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 6):
So Adolf Hitler is pretty much reincarnated

Not really. Adolf Hitler, for all his evilness, was actually a brillant mastermind.

Chavez is an idiot.
Hearing any of his speech will make you believe GW Bush was a rethorical genius.

I don't expect him to be able to maintain his dictat for very long. He's just not smart enough for that. As said above, he's turning the country into a latent economic catastrophe, and the people of Venezuela are starting to feel the concrete reality of it, such as the worsening infrastructure, security, education, health, the rampant poverty, etc...

Such regimes are usually overthrown by the very people who helped them come to power. This one won't be any different.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1002 times:



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 10):
Not really. Adolf Hitler, for all his evilness, was actually a brillant mastermind.

He was a lunatic, nothing more. There was nothing brilliant about the man. He was a butcher; a thug, as close to the Anti-Christ as has ever walked this earth.

He governed through fear, intimidation and brutality. There was nothing in his charachter or makeup that was remotely laudable. The only reason he got to where he was before his cowardly demise was the stupidity of the Western Powers, who tried to appease their way to peace, and only made this madman more ambitious.

There's a special place in Hell for Schickelgruber. And Stalin is living right next door to him.


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5274 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 996 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 11):
He was a lunatic, nothing more. There was nothing brilliant about the man. He was a butcher; a thug, as close to the Anti-Christ as has ever walked this earth.

He governed through fear, intimidation and brutality. There was nothing in his charachter or makeup that was remotely laudable. The only reason he got to where he was before his cowardly demise was the stupidity of the Western Powers, who tried to appease their way to peace, and only made this madman more ambitious.

On this you're dead wrong. A person can be bereft of an sense of morality and still be a brilliant. Hitler was a brilliant military tachtician who was also a genocidal mass-murderer.
A person can be the very embodiment of evil and still be brilliant. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Also, appeasement is just one of the causes of Hitler's consolidation of power and it is, IMHO, highly overrated. Hitler would have started World War II whether or not the West had appeased him. Appeasement simply sped up the process.

Moreover, a much more relevant circumstance that facilitated the power vacuum that resulted in Hitler's rise to power were the conditions imposed by the Western Powers in the Treaty of Versailles. Hitler was able to take advantage of the suffering of the German people as a direct result of those conditions thus allowing him to gain power.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 993 times:



Quoting OA412 (Reply 12):
On this you're dead wrong. A person can be bereft of an sense of morality and still be a brilliant. Hitler was a brilliant military tachtician who was also a genocidal mass-murderer.

He wasn't a brilliant tactician. He played solely on the stupidity of Britian and France before the war, and on France for hiding behind the Maginot line in 1940. Nothing brilliant about either.

And he showed his brilliance in his move when he invaded the Soviet Union in 1941. As much as he studied Napoleon, he certainly didn't learn that little man's lesson when he invaded Russia.

There was nothing brilliant about the man. Nothing at all. Had his generals and the Western Powers had any balls before the war, and stood up to him, 70 million people might have survived that next decade.


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5274 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 987 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 13):
He wasn't a brilliant tactician. He played solely on the stupidity of Britian and France before the war, and on France for hiding behind the Maginot line in 1940. Nothing brilliant about either.

Again, that is but one of many factors that aided Hitler in his rise to power. Neville Chamberlain could have refused to cede the Sudetenland to Hitler but the war would not have been averted.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 13):
There was nothing brilliant about the man. Nothing at all.

It takes more than sheer luck to rally the German people behind you and to create a war machine that was able to bring Europe to its knees.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 13):
Had his generals and the Western Powers had any balls before the war, and stood up to him, 70 million people might have survived that next decade.

The Western European powers could have stood up to Hitler until they were blue in the face and all they would have done was to delay the start of war. The war was going to happen no matter what The Western Powers did. Hitler's ambitions were such and his power in Germany was so absolute that the only thing that would have prevented the war would have been a bullet in the head.

[Edited 2009-11-21 19:59:44]


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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8902 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 976 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
Seems like most of the people he admires are or were abject failures of one kind or another, so the good news is, he'll probably follow them right into an ignominious end.

I hope we can help to speed him on his way to that end.



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User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 971 times:

Not only his rhetoric but also his deeds.
He threatens to go with war with us and the next sentence he says is "I feel more Colombian than the S.O.B Colombian chancellor and president, long life Colombia!"

(in the last ourburst)

daaaaamn

[Edited 2009-11-21 20:25:37]


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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 964 times:



Quoting OA412 (Reply 14):
It takes more than sheer luck to rally the German people behind you and to create a war machine that was able to bring Europe to its knees.

What Hitler said in his speeches was the typical rhetorical bullshit we are known from politicians, combined with some of his ideologic views. The thing that made people listen to him is the way he transmitted it to them. His enthusiasm, passion and gestures during his speeches were what made people even follow Hitler or at least support him (with or without knowing what he actually wants to do).

As to his military achievements, he got lucky that he surprised Poland and France, and for a while also Russia, but he's not a genius. Hitler was nothing more than a Corporal from Austria who fought for the Bavarian Army during the Great War as a messenger. Even his commanding officer didn't want him enough to promote him, and it had nothing to do ith the fact that back then, he wasn't German. In fact, if you look at WWII, remember that he ordered the Wehrmacht to stand its ground in Stalingrad, when the battle was already lost. He didn't know when to retreat, and threatened people with a transfer to the Russian front if they don't obey him.

Now, this leads me to another difference between him and Chávez: As said before, Hitler was only a Corporal in the Bavarian Army, Chávez is a senior officer in the rank of Lieutenant Colonel. Chávez may be a brilliant military mastermind, which can make him even more dangerous than Hitler was during peacetime.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 949 times:



Quoting OA412 (Reply 14):
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 13):
There was nothing brilliant about the man. Nothing at all.

It takes more than sheer luck to rally the German people behind you and to create a war machine that was able to bring Europe to its knees.

Yes. Racism; hatred; and looking for a scapegoat for your problems. With all due respect to the German people of today, their forefathers in that time period WANTED exactly what Hitler gave them-a scapegoat. And what did we get out of it? A race or people narly wiped off the map; and 70 million dead in the war.

It wasn't from anything Schickelgruber did; it was from the blind hatred of the German Volk that gave him his rise to power.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 14):
The Western European powers could have stood up to Hitler until they were blue in the face and all they would have done was to delay the start of war.

Oh, you're wrong. In 1936, when Hitler took the Rhineland, had France and Britian had said "you're not going there", and backed it up, the war would have been averted; same thing when Hitler took the Sudetenland. Had the two European powers of the time simply stood up to him, chances are Hitler never would have been able to launch the war, and millions would have been saved.

You see, appeasment makes the appeased only more arrogant and greedy. Had that greed been forcefully rebuffed, history would have been irrevocably altered.

Despite what he is, Chavez is no Hitler. There isn't a Hitler on the planet right now, and there are some incredibly evil people roaming this earth. He was, perhaps, the most loathsome human being ever to walk the earth. He set humanity back by his very existence.


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