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Football World Cup South Africa 2010 - The Draw  
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4449 times:

We're just three days away from the draw on Friday in Cape Town. Tomorrow there will be an emergency meeting of FIFA, and there is some pre-draw news.

http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/futb...45&s=futbol/mundial2010&type=story (Spanish only)
http://www.sport1.de/de/fussball/fussball_wm2010/artikel_180097.html (German only)

The FAI has submitted a request to become the 33rd team in the World Cup. According to press reports, Blatter actually laughed about it, and even said that if Ireland wants to be team number 33 over the Hand of Henry, Costa Rica may want to be team 34 because they feel cheated over an offside goal in Uruguay.

While I supported Ireland over their request for a replay, being team 33 would have been impossible. They couldn't expect that FIFA would grant them such a request, it's ridiculous. There has to be a point where it has to stop, though I do agree with them on one thing: Blatter IS an embarassment to FIFA. That being said, it appears as if this decision isn't final until the Executive Commitee has ruled on it. On another note, there may just be a possibility that Thierry Henry could be suspended after all.

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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4447 times:

Good that you started this thread, I just posted the following World Cup related post in the Bundesliga thread:
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I just read this article on Bild.de. They already have a picture of the official ball of the FIFA World Cup 2010 a few days before the official presentation by Adidas and the FIFA.

Here is "Jabulani":


Source: bild.de


Looks ok in my opinion.

Patrick

Edit:

In case someone is interested: Here are all official FIFA World Cup balls since they were introduced in 1970 (courtesy of fussballfan.ch).

[Edited 2009-12-01 14:04:44]

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4435 times:

Like I said in the Bundesliga-Thread, it looks OK though I personally prefer the Telstar, the Europass and the Tango based designs that existed between 1978 and 1998.

User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3504 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4400 times:
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Quoting LTU932 (Thread starter):
there may just be a possibility that Thierry Henry could be suspended after all.

Suspended for a Handball? Why? If the ref asked him and he lied maybe. Handball is penalized with a free kick and often a yellow card. Was Maradona suspended after his (Hand Of God) episode?

[Edited 2009-12-01 18:54:56]

[Edited 2009-12-01 18:55:37]


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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4392 times:



Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 3):
Suspended for a Handball? Why? If the ref asked him and he lied maybe. Handball is penalized with a free kick and often a yellow card. Was Maradona suspended after his (Hand Of God) episode?

I guess the issue is a fear on the side of FIFA that any repeat of such action, regardless of player, could further embarass the game. We're talking about FIFA, the same people who have been allowing doublestandards in football to happen for years because it suits them.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26600 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4389 times:



Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 3):

Suspended for a Handball? Why? If the ref asked him and he lied maybe. Handball is penalized with a free kick and often a yellow card. Was Maradona suspended after his (Hand Of God) episode?

Ridiculous. If the ref didn't get it in the match, there should be no post-match penalty. It would be one thing if he had physically hurt another player, but a handball should not be a suspension. I mean, how about the German (can't remember who specifically) who committed a handball against the US in Japan/Korea 2002 that cost them a tie and overtime? I'm sure he wasn't suspended.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4385 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):
Ridiculous. If the ref didn't get it in the match, there should be no post-match penalty.

Germany does have post-match penalties in the Bundesliga. For example, if a player dives to get a penalty, and the referee doesn't see the dive and doesn't act, then the player can still be punished for it. And also, remember the Torsten Frings incident in 06, when he was suspended post-match for the Italy match in Dortmund, even though the alledged victim said that nothing happened between the two. I feel that they should be introduced, but in the hands of FIFA, chances are that this could backfire.


User currently offlineYooYoo From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 6057 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4371 times:



Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 1):
Here are all official FIFA World Cup balls since they were introduced in 1970 (courtesy of fussballfan.ch).

i collected and still have the World Cup balls from 78-98. And where are they now, in a plastic bag in the garage. They will come out once i get my den built.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4310 times:

Some news:

http://www.sport1.de/de/fussball/fussball_wm2010/artikel_180518.html (German only)

There will NOT be a goal line referee this world cup, because there's not enough experience with them where they do exist (in the UEL). Plus, although the possibility is there that Henry could be suspended, Blatter told Henry himself over the phone that this will likely not happen.

http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/organis...ttee+approves+final+draw+procedure

The pots have finally been defined, and are vastly different from what Marca predicted:

Pot 1: South Africa (Host), Italy (Current World Champion), Germany, Brazil, Spain, Argentina, England, Netherlands

Pot 2: Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Korea DPR, Korea Republic, Mexico, United States, Honduras

Pot 3: Côte d'Ivoire, Ghana, Nigeria, Cameroon, Algeria, Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay

Pot 4: France, Portugal, Switzerland, Greece, Denmark, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia

France is surprisingly (though justifiably IMO) not in Pot 1, which means that they have even bigger chances of getting a group of death. Plus the Netherlands has taken France's place in Pot 1. What will piss me off even more is the biching and moaning that will go on on ESPN Deportes (particularly that character Faitelson and his friend José Ramón) because Mexico was supposed to go to Pot 4 (under the reason that the CONCACAF region is the worst of all), yet they got to Pot 2 in the end.

[Edited 2009-12-02 12:04:00]

User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4297 times:



Quoting YooYoo (Reply 7):
i collected and still have the World Cup balls from 78-98.

Cool! I never thought of collecting them. I had an original Tango Espana, an original Azteca, and an original Etrusco. Me and my friends played with them until they were damaged.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 8):
France is surprisingly (though justifiably IMO) not in Pot 1, which means that they have even bigger chances of getting a group of death.

I hope so. Damned cheaters deserve to fly home after the preliminary round.

So, on Friday night I have to watch the World Cup draw, that means that I can only see the second half of the 2. Bundesliga Konferenz.

Patrick


User currently offlineYooYoo From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 6057 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4288 times:



Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 9):
Me and my friends played with them until they were damaged

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Actually, i caught mt daughters playing with the WM 1998 - Frankreich- Adidas -Equipment Tricolore this summer, needless to say i put an end to their playing with that ball.  Wink We have 4 to 6 balls in our yard and they choose to dig that one out of the garage and play with it!!  banghead 

I hope i'll have time to watch the draw on-line.



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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4967 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4279 times:



Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 9):
So, on Friday night I have to watch the World Cup draw,

at what time is the draw? I'll be probably at work but hopefully it'll be during my lunch break !



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4270 times:



Quoting YooYoo (Reply 10):
We have 4 to 6 balls in our yard and they choose to dig that one out of the garage and play with it!!

Maybe they liked the design of the ball?  Wink Good that you saw it in time to save the ball from damage!

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 11):
at what time is the draw?

It starts at 7 PM local time in Cape Town (so it must be 2 PM local time in Buenos Aires).

Patrick


User currently offlineShamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1601 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4264 times:

Well I speak for everyone on Ireland when I say I hope France get a horrifically horrible draw and get nowhere! Ive heard people hear say that if France draw England, they would support England! Now thats is pure hate!

User currently offlineTeo747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4222 times:

Prediction: France and Netherlands will end up in the same group, thereby making all the controversy over seeding totally useless! Big advantage to the unseeded South American teams with these pots since they will have a 1 in 3 chance to be drawn in South Africa's group while everyone else is 1 in 8 (or no chance at all). Looking forward to watching the draw on Friday, although I'm sure it will take about three excruciating, drawn out hours to do what could be done in ten minutes.

User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4209 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 8):
The pots have finally been defined, and are vastly different from what Marca predicted

What exactly are these for? Will the US be matched up with three other teams from its pot or can it be anyone else from the 32 team field?



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User currently offlineTeo747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4204 times:



Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 15):
What exactly are these for? Will the US be matched up with three other teams from its pot or can it be anyone else from the 32 team field?

There will be one team from each pot in each group, which are randomly drawn with the restriction that no more than two teams from one continent (other than Europe) can be drawn into the same group. So, the USA can't be drawn into the same group with anyone else from Pot 2 (which is a disadvantage since Pot 2 contains most of the weakest teams in the tournament), and will be in a group with one team each from Pots 1, 3, and 4.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4197 times:



Quoting Teo747 (Reply 16):
Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 15):
What exactly are these for? Will the US be matched up with three other teams from its pot or can it be anyone else from the 32 team field?

There will be one team from each pot in each group, which are randomly drawn with the restriction that no more than two teams from one continent (other than Europe) can be drawn into the same group. So, the USA can't be drawn into the same group with anyone else from Pot 2 (which is a disadvantage since Pot 2 contains most of the weakest teams in the tournament), and will be in a group with one team each from Pots 1, 3, and 4.

Correct. The procedure is still somewhat tricky, because with Brazil, Argentina and South Africa, there are three teams that may cause conflict in the draw if another team from their respective continent is drawn. The only exception is, as you already mentioned, Europe with its 13 teams.

That being said, I hope Germany an easier group, like this one:

Germany
Honduras
Algeria
Slovenia


User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4194 times:

You know, I don't particularly care which team the USA draws from pot 1. It's who we get from pots 3 and 4 that will make it a good draw or not. This was the lesson for US fans from 2006. The only game we got a point from was against the seeded team (Italy).

Everyone points to South Africa as the dream draw from pot 1, but they forget that host countries ALWAYS advance out of the group stage. South Africa may not be very good, but neither was the USA in 1994. The other seeded teams are all formidable, but I honestly think there's a chance that with a little luck the US can beat any of them.



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User currently offlineAviationmaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2481 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4184 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 17):
That being said, I hope Germany an easier group, like this one:

Germany always has Losglück.  Wink

Quoting Teo747 (Reply 14):
Prediction: France and Netherlands will end up in the same group, thereby making all the controversy over seeding totally useless!

If they end up in the same group, I sure hope the Netherlands repeat their Euro 2008 thrashing of the Bleus. Big grin


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4175 times:

I never got around to mention this, but anyone read on the little joke Charlize Theron allowed herself during a pre-draw rehersal yesterday? When she drew France, she said instead "Ireland". Apparently, this joke upset FIFA.  rotfl 

User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3504 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4171 times:
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Quoting LTU932 (Reply 20):
Apparently, this joke upset FIFA

So who cares? Good for her. About time somebody get a jab on them.



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4161 times:



Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 3):
Suspended for a Handball? Why? If the ref asked him and he lied maybe.

I was in Potsdam when the handball occurred and the only station with news in English in the hotel was France 24. Which was OK and interesting, but with the handball, it became fascinating because their sports correspondent on the English channel comes from Ireland. They nearly fell over themselves trying to be fair.


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6013 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4161 times:

Before anyone ask about how the pots were decided:

Pot 1: The host nation + the 7 highest ranked teams according to the October 2009 rankings.

Pot 2: Teams from Asia (Australia, Japan, Korea DPR, Korea Republic), North- & Central- America and the Caribbean (Honduras, Mexico, USA), and Oceania (New Zealand)

Pot 3: Teams from Africa (Algeria, Cameroon, Côte d’Ivoire, Ghana, Nigeria) and South America (Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay)

Pot 4: Remaining European teams (Denmark, France, Greece, Portugal, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia and Switzerland)

It's basically designed to prevent teams from the same region meeting each other too soon, in order to have an interesting mix for each group.

Personally, I'm crossing fingers for South Africa, North Korea & Ghana.

Or, since I'm apparently a traitor: Brasil, Mexico & Uruguay


User currently offlineFlyingColours From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2315 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4153 times:

In my opinion FIFA is one of those examples of an awful Bureaucracy, a lot of the rules it created are complex and sometimes unfair (eg The Fifa Two, ironically it was Ireland Again but at club level). It insists that the referees decision is final despite blatant cheating and some god awful calls from the officials. It also has this "higher than thou" attitude, this appears to be getting worse with Blatter at the helm.

Fifa can not seem to practice what it preaches, it wants us to play fair but they are unwilling to punish those who don't play fairly and then hide behind rules and old mistakes of the past.

In General Football has gotten worse, the English FA for example have introduced this "Respect" campaign, it is aimed with good intentions to stop players from harassing officials however it is now being abused by some officials. A number of Referees are making extremely bad calls on the pitch and the second it is questioned the players involved get a yellow card, if a manager complains after the match, he is cautioned by the FA (I'm not referring to Fergie as he is usually always out of order).

Some refs are so out of touch with the game that they shouldn't even be playing in the tenth tier of English Football, last season there was one ref who wrongly awarded a penalty which cost Spurs the game, post match he apologised to the Spurs manager saying it was a bad call, he then went and did the same thing this season, another one also screwed Manchester City over by booking the wrong player, then booking another one for something not even worthy of a free kick and then to make things even later in the match booked an opposition player for almost nothing.

Another example is how there are double standards, some teams can get away without punishment for their actions and yet other teams are punished (like Eduardo's diving incident, he was banned but then it was overturned). Bigger teams can get away with so much more, again like Arsenal vs Celtic.

I believe (and hope) that in the future many nations will break away from FIFA and form a new federation, of course this would only work if the major nations were involved and unfortunately the European nations would never do that.

There is so much I want to say on the subject but will refrain as it's almost time for my TV Programme... Though there is one thing that springs to mind, Fifa is Swiss, it's head is Swiss and doesn't Switzerland get on swimmingly with France? Exactly.

Some of you will suggest that I hate football officials, on the contrary I respect some and like a few more. I played competitively last season in a very low league (but not Sunday leage) and found almost all of the Refs were spot on with their decisions., the linesmen on the other hand were corrupt, well some were (since at that level it was team managers or coaches which acted as the linesmen to their half).

Phil
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25 RootsAir : Something tells me Brazil will once again have the easiest group and Argentina the group of death. This pattern seems to reproduce quite often for the
26 Andz : That's generous. We are godawful. I love it!
27 Arsenal@LHR : From an English point of view, i'd be happy with Algeria, Slovakia, New Zealand/North Korea, there'd be no excuses. The irony would be if France or Ar
28 Derico : Ready to go... any Europeans here have insides on which way the price fixers arranged the groups and matches?
29 Post contains images NIKV69 : Yea you have to run into Italy sooner or later.    I am watching now, great coverage by ESPN! That guy from France just macked it with Charlize The
30 AznMadSci : This draw almost feels like I'm watching the Miss World competition that will be held in South Africa in a few days!
31 CPH-R : England vs USA, that should get the Colonials up in arms
32 NIKV69 : Great games so far! Mexico-South Africa, USA-Englad!
33 Post contains images LTU932 : Having Ghana in the group means trouble. I hope we don't get anything too difficult out of Pot 4.    EDIT: Thank God it isn't neither Portugal nor F
34 CPH-R : Serbia A bit so-so, eh?
35 CPH-R : Netherlands, Denmark, Japan & Cameroun. Very much so-so
36 Derico : Group A is terrible!! WOW. Group G is rough too for Brazil. Then F and H. Argentina got a rather mild draw, not the best but certainly not the worst a
37 NIKV69 : Italy finally gets a nice group! Paraguay is tough but I would take a draw that first game and from there they advance rather easily. FORZA AZURIIII!!
38 Fxramper : I'm gonna go ahead and put this out there - USA will win all their 1st rd games.
39 AM744 : Well, France in group A is terrible news for us. Facing the host on the opening game doesn't help either.
40 LTU932 : You wish. Here is the summary of all groups: Group A: South Africa (RSA) Mexico (MEX) Uruguay (URU) France (FRA) Group B: Argentina (ARG) Nigeria (NG
41 LXA333 : Haha down with our masters, time to show England whos boss once again! Apparently our last game vs England in the WC was in 1950 and we won 1-0. Group
42 NIKV69 : Hehe, actually Italy always seem to have interesting trips out of group play but improve as they go through the tourney, well you know. (Del Pierro r
43 Texan : You received something close to your wish! England still have no excuse for not advancing. Texan
44 Derico : Yeah it's been a pattern, but finally this time I think Brazil got a far rougher draw. Portugal? And Ivory Coast with Drogba probably the best Africa
45 Alias1024 : I like our group. This will probably be the first time the USA are expected to move out of the group stage. I think most people are penciling in Engla
46 Arsenal@LHR : Yeah how spooky is that? The USA should not be underestimated, but England should progress to the knockout stages minus a catastrophic screw-up.
47 KiwiRob : With all the piss poor decisions made by refs recently, isn't it about time the video ref was brought into the game, it's added another level of excit
48 MadameConcorde : My favourite World Cup final would be Italy/England. I see that Scotland is not there this time.
49 AviationMaster : Can't really complain. A doable task for the Swiss squad (except for Spain)
50 KiwiRob : I think New Zealand can take Italy, we can always give them a hiding in Rugby so we should be able to do it in soccer as well
51 NIKV69 : I would hope so, this is a soft group if they don't advance it's fail. LOL, I hope you don't start playing Rugby out there! The red cards will come!
52 LTU932 : Blatter has categorically rejected the use of modern technology in football, so there's no chance in hell of video refs to be introduced, at least no
53 AviationMaster : Like Hitzfeld leading Switzerland all the way Looking at the groups I cannot really make out a typical "group of death". They all seem more or less w
54 Sabena332 : This is by far more likely than seeing England or Holland there. Exactly what I am thinking, all groups are looking well balanced. But that's a good
55 GrahamHill : Group G looks the most difficult with Brazil, Ivory Coast and Portugal. But not what we can really call a "group of death".
56 SpeedyGonzales : Good luck to USA, Algeria and Slovenia! Hope you beat the crap out of the team from the country that has so low self-esteem that it has to pretend to
57 LTU932 : He certainly didn't rule that out. That's what I was thinking as well. A clearly defined Group of Death doesn't exist this time, the draw was too goo
58 CXfirst : Don't underestimate the Australians. They played a very good qualifying campaign, and were very good during the 2006 world cup (I still believe Italy
59 CaliAtenza : GO USA GO ...i had to say it
60 LTU932 : Yes, but nevertheless they're still the weaker of the three opponents of Germany (and Ghana is the strongest IMO). I would have been more concerned i
61 IliriBDL : GO DEUTSCHLAND!!!!
62 Vio : Personally, I'm very impressed with DPRK making the World Cup. I wish them luck though. I hope this opens up relations with the rest of the world, but
63 LTU932 : Sweden and Romania failed miserably to qualify?
64 GrahamHill : It's a real shame we won't be able to see Zlatan play
65 Dc9northwest : Hah. Well... Even so, I don't think the main problem is with the players. That's a consequence rather than a cause. We have FRF and their choices to
66 LTU932 : Let's face it though: Zlatan isn't in his game in the national team. I recall that his goal against Greece in Euro 2008 was his first goal with the T
67 Fruitbat : Not a cat in hells chance of that, old bean! You can have 2 from 3 as compensation. We'll let you colonials take second place to keep your morale up.
68 Mir : Not that it matters all that much, but shouldn't Australia and New Zealand be in the same geographic region (Oceania)? Putting Australia in Asia seem
69 LTU932 : Australia changed confederations. They left the OFC (Oceanian Football Confederation) to become part of the AFC (Asian Football Confederation). There
70 Fruitbat : Ouch, that hurt......
71 Post contains links Qantasistheway : Same here. We have never lost to Ghana and we doe have a much better squad when looking at individual players: Cahill (Everton captain for large part
72 LTU932 : Perhaps they could recruit some of the U20 world champions into their senior team. I'd do that if I was Ghana, take a blend of those who helped Ghana
73 Aussie18 : Socceroos should be able to beat Ghana,Serbia have fairly good defense but Socceroos should be able to topple them aswell,Australia I hope finish 2nd
74 Yellowstone : The drop-off in talent from Australia down to New Zealand, and then to the rest of the OFC teams, was enormous. Australia wanted to play credible opp
75 Impacto : After a difficult and exhausting exam this afternoon, I've decided to cool off my brain with some World cup prediction and analysis. My World Cup Pred
76 Qantasistheway : I disagree with most of what you said but I'm too tired to list it all. Argentina would not beat Germany, Argentina just scraped through. Korea is be
77 Post contains links Sabena332 : I did the same, but with the help of this nice feature (scroll a bit down! Sorry, only in German but I think you can guess the countries' English nam
78 LTU932 : If that annoying character Faitelson from ESPN Deportes sees your prediction, he'll go mad at you. I did the calculations and concluded that the semi
79 Impacto : True Argentina scrapped through. They even lost 6-1 to Bolivia! But its history now. Brazil almost didn't qualify for the 2002 World Cup and yet they
80 ZRH : Actually Switzerland wasn't too lucky. They won the group easily before Greece and did not have to go to the play-offs like France or Portugal for ex
81 Aviationmaster : Then again, it will be Winter in the Southern Hemisphere when the ball starts rolling, so this again may favor European teams. Don't underestimate Sw
82 Derico : I'm glad to see everyone writing Argentina off. It could somewhat compensate for our lack of coaching. It's the first world cup in which I have memor
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