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"Occupied Territory"  
User currently offlineBoeing in Pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (14 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 447 times:

i have a question. I live in Portland Oregon which used to be Chinnok territory. so do i live in a area that is occupied against the law? should the U.S on maps be covered in stripes and called the Occupied Territorys of America? i don't think that territory won in war is againt the law but what is the diffrence between the U.S and Israel?

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User currently offlineRogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (14 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 403 times:

There is no difference between the US and Israel insofar as how they got the land, both take/took territory without the consent of the people living there.

One difference: the US admits it, and has made considerable efforts to deal with it. The US also took over its territory under its own power, foreign aid was never required except for the original colonies. Israel is artificially kept in existence by the US.

kind regards,


User currently offlineDocpepz From Singapore, joined May 2001, 1971 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (14 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 397 times:


Apart from sketchy pieces of information regarding the creation of Israel, as well as biased news reports(all towards Israel) I get on the news channels, I'm not too well versed on the Mid East conflict. As such, I find your claim that "Israel is artificially kept in existence by the US" rather interesting. I've never heard that before.

Could you please elaborate? Thanks a lot.


User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (14 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 384 times:

They get 3 billion a year in aid from the US. They are a developed country and don't need it. Just a waste of tax payer's money. We give them military weapons. We shouldn't. Let them develop their own. Thats what he means by that.

Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 360 times:

I think if you are trying to make a point it would be best not to use situations that are 200 years apart wouldn't you? The world is a far different place than it was 200 years ago.

Something that was acceptable 200 years ago isn't necessarily acceptable now. We are far more educated and less ignorant than we were then and with education should come tolerance.


User currently offlineEmiratesLover From Malta, joined Dec 2000, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (14 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 348 times:

Dear Boeing in PDX,
frst of all I would like to commend you for your effort to try to understand what occupation is all about.

In the area which you live there once upon a time were Indian tribes, but that does NOT mean that your area is under occupation.

Firstly, I do not believe that there are armed soldiers, tanks and checkpoints all over the place.When I was in America last what struck me was the wide open spaces, so no occupation exists in the strictest sense.

Secondly, the issue of freedom of movement.Can you drive to the nearest town and back ? Or visit the local hospital when you feel sick and need help ? Or visit your grandparents a few miles up Noth ? Or go to work each morning ? Can you do all these things in your own country without being stopped every few miles at checkpoints where you are interrogated and humiliated every time you go?Or in some cases simply be turned back because are who you are.

Thirdly, can you be sure of waking up one morning and knowing that by the end of the day your house will still be yours and not demolished or taken over by some strangge looking folk who until only a few days ago were living on the opposite end of the world ?

Where you live in America, how do they treat immigrants ? Do you have special immigration laws that allow people from far away countries to move there and be treated with full benefits of citizenship and economic incentives immediately while the people who lived there first are made to live in second class housing at best or refugee camps at worst ?

Do you have police stations where they practice torture on the basis of guilty until proven innocent.Do you have to go without water for days while a few miles away from you people have swiming pools simply because they happen to belong to a different race ? Do you have to use dirt roads when you travel while the others have modern highways that only they can use ? Are you prohibited from buying land or a beautiful house on another neighbourhood simply because of who you are ?

If your answer to any of these quetions is no, then I do not believe that you live under occupation, and I am happy for you.Those of us who have read about the appalling conditions that exist in the Occupied territories of Palestine can all say with happiness that the humiliations and horrors of occupation are ones that we will never experience.

User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (14 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 341 times:

"We give them military weapons. We shouldn't. Let them develop their own"

Something like, um, say the world's best short range AA missile (Python 4/5), the world's first operational ballistic missile defense system (Arrow), arguably the best MBT in the world (Merkava III/IV), the world's best protected APC (Achzarit), fighter jets (Nesher, Kfir), (prospective) fighter jet technology demonstrator (Lavi), medium range stand off AG missile exported to the US among others (Popeye, AGM-142), multi purpose sea launched missile (Barak), numerous UAV's, targetting and navigation pods for fighter jets (Lightning) etc. Stuff like that?  Insane


Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (14 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 335 times:


you don't really think that Israel created that stuff without US help?


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (14 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 331 times:
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Furthermore, it is the implied US guarantee of Israel's existence that keeps it from being overrun by its enemies on every side. This implied threat allows Israel to act like a superpower when it is in fact a tiny irrelevant country

I like that quote Big grin


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 30403 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (14 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 328 times:

Actually the Kfir was created because of Frances refusal to sell them Mirages, or more Mirages, however the story goes.

Not exactly the US but close enough Eh?

User currently offlineBoeing in Pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 323 times:


At the time israel was formed the Europeans still had large empires.