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44% Of Americans Want Bush Back In WH  
User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12158 posts, RR: 51
Posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5812 times:

I know this is going to drive most liberals nuts, but it is true. President Obama's support is declining, rapidly. His approval polls are at 48% and dropping. He has run up the biggest deficiet of all time, in just his first year. Many Americans are embarrassed he got the Nobel Peace Prize.......for doing NOTHING.

BHO has made the US the laughing stock of the world, and don't even get me started on his boy tag, VP "Joe" Biden, who was born with two feet in his mouth.  banghead 

A growing percentage of Americans, 44% and climbing, wish George W. Bush could return as POTUS.  bigthumbsup 

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1209/Bush_closes_the_gap.html

"Perhaps the greatest measure of Obama's declining support is that just 50% of voters now say they prefer having him as President to George W. Bush, with 44% saying they'd rather have his predecessor. Given the horrendous approval ratings Bush showed during his final term that's somewhat of a surprise and an indication that voters are increasingly placing the blame on Obama for the country's difficulties instead of giving him space because of the tough situation he inherited. The closeness in the Obama/Bush numbers also has implications for the 2010 elections. Using the Bush card may not be particularly effective for Democrats anymore, which is good news generally for Republicans and especially ones like Rob Portman who are running for office and have close ties to the former President."


Ya gotta luv it.............  cloudnine   cloudnine   cloudnine 

How that "let's keep blaiming Bush" thing working for ya?

 duck   duck   duck   duck   duck 

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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19939 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5810 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):
I know this is going to drive most liberals nuts, but it is true. President Obama's support is declining, rapidly. His approval polls are at 48% and dropping.

Yeah. He's got a real problem.

Apparently people forget that Bush got us into this problem. I'm not saying that Obama is the solution, but at least he didn't cause it.


User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5803 times:

EEEEWWWWW!!!

I'm a conservative, and >>I'M<< glad Dubya is gone!!!



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User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5798 times:

That's true...Obama really hasn't done anything but run his mouth and keep making empty promises to everyone

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):
He has run up the biggest deficiet of all time, in just his first year.

Actually it was Bush who ran up the deficit invading 2 countries and putting together a useless Stimulus package...and giving tax breaks to the rich.......Obama just came into a horrible situation



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User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3030 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5793 times:

I think that the poll result was probably that 44 Americans want him back in office. That's 44 total, not percent. Anything more than that I'd have a hard time believing.


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User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5789 times:



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 3):
Actually it was Bush who ran up the deficit invading 2 countries and putting together a useless Stimulus package...and giving tax breaks to the rich.......Obama just came into a horrible situation

 checkmark 

To say that Obama's "run up the biggest deficit of all time" is utter sophistry. Can you tell us simply what percentage of the current deficit was already there during Dubya's last days in office?



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User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5785 times:

Well to be fair, I think KC135 is basically saying that an increasing number of voters are turned off by Obama and his policies. He's done nothing to curb unemployment. He's done ZERO for small businesses (I should know as a small business owner). Hell, he didn't even have 1 representative of small businesses at his bogus 'jobs summit'...yet he had the unions and large corps like GE.

Someone needs to remind Obama and the left that it is the governments job to:
"Promote the welfare, not Provide the welfare." It's a rather simple concept Obama. You don't raise taxes in a recession. You don't try to ram two trillion plus dollar bills through congress in a recession. You don't take over the private industry (i.e. banks, auto, soon to be Health Care/Energy). It's no wonder why small businesses are in a hiring freeze, and/or laying off more and more people. Obama has given us ZERO NADA NOTHING to make people/businesses confident. I say keep it up Mr. Obama...that way the House/Senate can flip in 2010  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5772 times:



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 3):
That's true...Obama really hasn't done anything but run his mouth and keep making empty promises to everyone



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 3):
.......Obama just came into a horrible situation

Is he the first President that has had this situation? How has what he has done compare to his predecessor's solutions?

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):
A growing percentage of Americans, 44% and climbing, wish George W. Bush could return as POTUS.

I read that story and got a chuckle. Then I read the source and lost my humor.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot....9/12/obamas-december-standing.html

Finally 20% of voters, including 35% of Republicans, support impeaching Obama for his actions so far. I'm not clear exactly what 'high crimes and misdemeanors' they are using to justify that position but there may be a certain segment of voters on both the right and the left these days that simply think the President doing things they don't agree with is grounds for removal from office. I don't think Obama has a lot to worry about on that front.


That is just stupid. He has done nothing that rises to the level of impeachment. I agree with the writer that a certain segment of the population just doesn't understand what elections are for anymore. In 2012 there will be ample opportunity to remove him from office through long standing tradition, an election versus tossing someone with policies that you don't agree with.


User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5772 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):
with 44% saying they'd rather have his predecessor.

So 44% of the Americans failed 7th grade civics and do not understand that George W. Bush could not have stayed as President.

He is not a choice - any poll with him as a choice is invalid.


User currently offlineNicoEDDF From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 1101 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5763 times:



Quoting EA772LR (Reply 6):
Someone needs to remind Obama and the left that it is the governments job to:
"Promote the welfare, not Provide the welfare." It's a rather simple concept Obama. You don't raise taxes in a recession. You don't try to ram two trillion plus dollar bills through congress in a recession. You don't take over the private industry (i.e. banks, auto, soon to be Health Care/Energy). It's no wonder why small businesses are in a hiring freeze, and/or laying off more and more people. Obama has given us ZERO NADA NOTHING to make people/businesses confident. I say keep it up Mr. Obama...that way the House/Senate can flip in 2010 bigthumbsup

Is ignorance something you can cure in the US?


User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11718 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5755 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):
How that "let's keep blaiming Bush" thing working for ya?

Riiiiiight.... Obama started the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Obama helped guide the stimulus bill. Obama balooned the government....

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):
BHO has made the US the laughing stock of the world,

How, exactly? GWB telling the world he is going to get Osama bin Laden dead or alive, then turns around and says "I don't think about him much anymore." GWB landing on the aircraft carrier and the "mission accomplished" banner. GWB invading a nation that had nothing to do with anything. How did Obama make the US a laughing stock?

I would like to see the actual poll instead of a link to a conservative blog that simply says 44% of Americans want GWB back. Until I see that actual poll, this means nothing. What was GWB numbers the last few years of his term?

I love the right: they crow on and on any time anyone with a (D) or anyone they dub a "RINO" has poll numbers go down. Do you ever see anyone on the right say "Oh, that person on the left had poll numbers go up! Good for them!" Nope. When someone's numbers go down, even by one or two points, it signals to all righties that "Americans hate the communists/socialists/marxist Democrats running the country."

You have got to find something better to do with your time. Volunteer at a shelter. Meals on Wheels. Something other than crow when your "most wanted" list loses a point or two in the polls.



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6609 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5749 times:
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):
President Obama's support is declining, rapidly. His approval polls are at 48% and dropping

I

in a 2 party system this level if support is expected. DId you really think that anyone could have maintated his poll numbers?

You have a problem when you get to the low 20%. like some one else. When Obama gets to that level we can talk.

of course the economy under Bush was better. the house of cards had not fallen yet.

are you happier while you are binge drinking or are you happier the next morning when you have a hangover?



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User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5729 times:



Quoting EA772LR (Reply 6):
Someone needs to remind Obama and the left that it is the governments job to:
"Promote the welfare, not Provide the welfare." It's a rather simple concept Obama. You don't raise taxes in a recession. You don't try to ram two trillion plus dollar bills through congress in a recession. You don't take over the private industry (i.e. banks, auto, soon to be Health Care/Energy). It's no wonder why small businesses are in a hiring freeze, and/or laying off more and more people. Obama has given us ZERO NADA NOTHING to make people/businesses confident. I say keep it up Mr. Obama...that way the House/Senate can flip in 2010

Where would we be today if we let GM, Ford, and Chrysler fail? Their paying back their loans what's the problem? If no one is spending or lending who steps in?

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 8):

So 44% of the Americans failed 7th grade civics and do not understand that George W. Bush could not have stayed as President.

He is not a choice - any poll with him as a choice is invalid.

Honestly



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User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5306 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5709 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):
BHO has made the US the laughing stock of the world

According to the US right. According to global public opinion, Obama is a HUGE improvement over Bush (who did more to turn our country into a laughing stock than any president in recent memory).

Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 3):
Actually it was Bush who ran up the deficit invading 2 countries and putting together a useless Stimulus package...and giving tax breaks to the rich.......Obama just came into a horrible situation

 checkmark 

Quoting DXing (Reply 7):
Finally 20% of voters, including 35% of Republicans, support impeaching Obama for his actions so far.

So much for the polls credibility.  Yeah sure

Quoting NicoEDDF (Reply 9):
Is ignorance something you can cure in the US?

Well for some in the US, ignorance isn't just bliss, it's a way of life.



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User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8617 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5701 times:

I'm sure it did not mean anything at all KC135TopBoom when Bush was about 32% in approval rating. Only when Dems get pooled does it mean anything.

Obama drive right-wingers nuts, nuts I tells ya.



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User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5702 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):
A growing percentage of Americans, 44% and climbing, wish George W. Bush could return as POTUS.

Well,there's lots of evidence that a failed education system is one of the reasons the US is struggling these days. That pretty well confirms it.



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6609 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5695 times:
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Its on a Blog! It must be True!


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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6661 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5697 times:

You know what I think? They both are not very good. Bring back Truman. He knew how to get things done  Smile


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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5696 times:



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 10):
Obama helped guide the stimulus bill

Actually you're right here for once. He told Pelosi and Reid to just give him something and that they did. A nice giant slush fund that does little to stimulate and everything to help democratic members bring home the pork.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 10):
Obama balooned the government....

With health care he's well on his way.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 13):
So much for the polls credibility.

I don't see how it damages the polls credibility. The people responding are wrong, not the pollsters for asking.


User currently offlineCabso1 From Canada, joined May 2005, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5690 times:

Shame, another 7% of people and we could've said the majority of Americans are ignorant and quite possibly stupid.

Dubya wreaked havoc in the country and they just want to return to him? The subprime crisis and recession started on his watch, not on Obama's.


User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5684 times:



Quoting DXing (Reply 18):

Actually you're right here for once. He told Pelosi and Reid to just give him something and that they did. A nice giant slush fund that does little to stimulate and everything to help democratic members bring home the pork.

You've got it all figured out don't you....



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12158 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5684 times:



Quoting Airstud (Reply 2):
EEEEWWWWW!!!

I'm a conservative, and >>I'Msident.

Maybe the poll includes the 10% who are unemployed? Since the Big O took office, he has put 4 million Americans out of work. Unemployment was 7.2% in January 2009, the last month Bush was in office. What is it today?

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 8):
any poll with him as a choice is invalid.

I agree, "O" needs to GO.

Quoting NicoEDDF (Reply 9):
Is ignorance something you can cure in the US?

Yes, it can, we take our first pill to cure us in Nov. 2010.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 10):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):
BHO has made the US the laughing stock of the world,

How, exactly?

Banking, housing, cars, unemployment, defense, Gitmo, Terrorist prisoners (they don't want the in their country), get sent to Bahamas, Tahiti, etc. nobel prize, pelosi, reid, biden, 43 Czars, cabinet full of tax frauds, Chicago Olympics, and "most transparent administration in history, Rev. Write, taking less time to choose a dog than deciding on troops for Afghanistan, Bidens secret service car accidents, just to name a few.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 10):
You have got to find something better to do with your time. Volunteer at a shelter. Meals on Wheels. Something other than crow when your "most wanted" list loses a point or two in the polls.

I do. But see, I got people across the country and world engaged in a good debate.


User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5037 posts, RR: 44
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5672 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):
BHO has made the US the laughing stock of the world

Are you doing this intentionally? You made this exact same claim just a few days ago. It was clearly pointed out to you by several people actually living in the world outside the US (who are thus MUCH more qualified to make claims on that issue than you are) that no such thing is the case, and that it was Bush who made your country the laughing stock of the world. I told you then that you wouldn't like it, but I hadn't expected you to not only ignore it, but flat-out pretend it was never said, and even REPEAT it a few days later.

So please stop telling us what WE think of your country, because that is something we most certainly know better than you, and it's a simple fact that in the eyes of the world, the reputation of the US has improved significantly over the last year.


User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5670 times:



Quoting Arrow (Reply 15):
Well,there's lots of evidence that a failed education system is one of the reasons the US is struggling these days.

Then blame the NEA, they've been in the business of wrecking our education system for far longer than President Bush was in office.

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 16):
Its on a Blog!

That is reporting on a legitimate poll. The blogger didn't create the poll, Public Policy Polling did.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/who.asp

Quoting Cabso1 (Reply 19):
The subprime crisis and recession started on his watch, not on Obama's.

But what success has he had in stemming either?


User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2453 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5655 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):
44% Of Americans Want Bush Back In WH 

Those 44% percent are those morons that want instant gratification and don't get it that this is not going to happen. Obama inherited a royal mess and it's going to take a while to get out of it.

I find it disturbing that 44% of Americans want this back in in the White House.  Yeah sure http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o51HgQAhWUg



Just when I think you've said the stupidest thing ever, you keep talkin'!
25 OA412 : That is, in fact, what I meant to say. I didn't word it correctly. When 20% of those polled are claiming that Obama should be impeached, I have a har
26 Toulouse : Of course, if we look outside the US, we'll also notice a huge increase in unemployment around the globe over the same period. Now that's hardly all
27 ThegreatRDU : He was reffering to Bush Because possibly having the blood of 30,000 human lives and sending them into harm's way should be made overnight right?
28 D L X : You sure? I think KC135 was just having a joygasm because there was a poll that presented some bad news for the President. Concur. This poll tells me
29 Steeler83 : I agree with that, and he didn't give two $h%ts about what the country thought, either! He was probably my favorite president.
30 San747 : Nice! That makes a lot more sense. If there is a critical mass of enough ignorant people, no, probably not. Great analogy. Lewis Black did advocate t
31 TransIsland : In other words, a majority of 56% do not want W back. 48% > 44% -> "BHO" is - despite everything - more popular than W.
32 Mir : Many of those 44% are likely saying they'd rather have Bush simply because he's not Obama, not because they cared for Bush at all. So to try and use
33 AviationMaster : Seems to me that 44% of Americans are pretty forgetful.
34 Jpetekyxmd80 : If you actually believe that, what world do you live in? Pre-Obama, it was screw what the rest of the world thinks, and now its a primary concern. Wh
35 DXing : Agreed. Ouch, what does that say for 2010 then?
36 Tommy767 : Bringing back Reagan would be a HUGE improvement over Obama or W.
37 Mir : Well, he's not up for election in 2010. As far as 2010 goes, I think the Democrats will lose plenty of seats. I don't know whether it will be enough
38 D L X : Yeah, but the stench! You sure you want to bring him back? (It's a joke, people! Don't take anything on this thread seriously.)
39 OzGlobal : No, it was your returning Bush to office AFTER 'the cat was totally out of the bag' on Iraq and every other heinous dirty intrigue and international
40 Travelin man : Let's be serious here. 44% of Americans DO NOT WANT GWB BACK IN OFFICE. That is absurd. GWB is a complete joke, who got us into this utter mess in the
41 FuturePilot16 : I don't see how anyone can take that statement seriously. You think after what George Bush did in office, Obama made the U.S. a laughing stock? Whate
42 RFields5421 : It is the President's fault when so many American's lose their jobs. Does not matter which president, which party - the guy in the White House has to
43 JFKMan : I supported Bush through the worst. He was a great President who kept us safe. I wish he was back.
44 Yellowstone : Let's see... Americans killed on US soil by foreign attackers under Clinton: 12 Americans killed on US soil by foreign attackers under Bush: ~3,000 A
45 Seb146 : Which were all started by the PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION!!!!! Not decided by the American people. Only decided by two districts out of 535. How many ang
46 CaliAtenza : all of these political threads are turning into one big merry-go-round .
47 Falcon84 : I think that's more the truth. If an election were held today, between our former President and our current one, and you had, say, a two-month campia
48 TransIsland : Could you please explain that to stupid old me. My calender tells me that he hasn't had quite 11 months so far.
49 San747 : I think it was a typo. Obama HAS 30 months to blah blah blah...
50 Cabso1 : Rome wasn't built in a day. The numbers are coming in that the recession is getting over and decline is steadying. Short of giving all those unemploy
51 Ken777 : Or Sarah "Going Rogue" Palin flapping her way through 4 years as VP - and this country would be lucky if McCain made it all 4 years. Nothing scares m
52 RFields5421 : The 2012 Presidential primaries start in 26 months. If the jobs situation is not fixed by then, President Obama will face serious challenges in the D
53 Stratosphere : Not really a fair example..9/11 would have happened even if Gore had won in 2000. This attack was in the making well before Bush took office. Lets fa
54 NicoEDDF : And you don't even have the right to! Iraq was a sovereign state. They had a fairly stable situation in Iraq and its not the world to chose what is b
55 KC135TopBoom : Well, I see that the libs are all up in arms over, the facts, as usual. But let's see which direction the nation will go in next November, shall we? T
56 AeroVega : So the global credit crisis is Obama's fault? I'm sure the thousands of soldiers who have died in Iraq are glad to hear that Bush kept you feeling sa
57 ThegreatRDU : Yes he did a great job and 9/11 never happened.... Look at this guy! Obama hasn't even spent a year in office...
58 Mortyman : Don't know wether I should laugh or cry...
59 Scorpio : That's Obama's fault? Let me see if I get this absolutely straight: It's OBAMA'S fault that a crisis, which hit in full swing when Obama was NOT in o
60 Baroque : Well there is quite a reaction Scorpio. Howls of laughter around the world at the larger lunacy represented by the KC type of right wingers in the US
61 RFields5421 : It does not matter to voters why something happens on a President's watch. Either 9/11 or the economy tanking - it is the responsibility of the perso
62 Falcon84 : On second thought ,if you think about it, Obama won the election something like 64% to 46%, so all that means is that all but 2% of those who didn't v
63 Baroque : I am thinking about it. Total of 110%. There seem to be a few problems in doing percentages this week!! Perhaps it is to make up for the high percent
64 Mayor : Ford didn't take the money and is doing better than GM or Chrysler.
65 Ken777 : Well, political volunteers are pretty good at getting dead folk to vote. And they've long known how to vote multiple times. 110% sounds about right.
66 FuturePilot16 : What FACTS? I would love to see some of these so called "facts". Especially on websites that don't lean conservative. We're not nervous about anythin
67 Post contains links Seb146 : I find it interesting that some of those loans have been paid back. How many have we heard of being paid back? Just this past week, BofA paid back th
68 OA412 : This is one of the main reasons why I was so against Iraq from the get go. The number of successful democracies which have had that system imposed up
69 NA : "44% Of Americans Want Bush Back In WH". Swine flu is nothing, amnesia is much worse in the US.
70 DXing : But it burned almost that quickly. Great, when companies are hiring again in a meaningful way I'l give him some credit. The words "shovel ready" floa
71 Falcon84 : LOL. Sorry about putting a 6 in instead of a 5. 54-46 is more like it. My bad. Unlikely, although I'll remember you said that.
72 DXing : During President Reagans first term in office the unemployment figure hit 10.8% in December of 1982. By the time his re-election came round in Novemb
73 Ken777 : Sarcastic, but unfortunately I believe that there is some truth in it. There was an article few months ago on how the KKK is gaining members this yea
74 KC135TopBoom : Yes, it is Obama's fault. He said when he signed the "stimulus bill" into law in Feb. (which his Congress pushed through in early Feb, his term). tha
75 Scorpio : Ah, so it's Obama's faut that it went above 8%? I find it quite unbelievable that you think a president who hans't been in office for a year yet can
76 FuturePilot16 : What does his dog have to do with you? How do you even know he chose it? Second, Chicago Mob . Dude, Please stop listening to guys like Limbaugh and
77 PC12Fan : Oh please. He will factually go down as one of the worst - ever. And I'm a Republican.
78 DXing : Nor is there humour in Black Panthers standing outside of a Philidelphia polling place turning away GOP voters. Nor is there any humor in SEIU member
79 AGM100 : Please, the silence is deafening from the left on ACORN ... they know ACORN perpetrated voter fraud but it went their direction so its all good. I ha
80 Baroque : Possible, but if that really WERE the case, the % of REAL voters at the election would have to be even more frighteningly low. And outside the US, th
81 Seb146 : Riiiiight.... Like Bush said so many intelligent things... Oh, for pete's sake. How many times do we have to go over this? I know it is a difficult c
82 ThegreatRDU : Bush bowed, held hands, and kissed the Saudi Sultans... He should make a decision on 30,000 human lives faster than on deciding which dog to choose?
83 Ken777 : Actually, Bush was the first to start propping up GM & Chrysler. What Obama & Co did was to ensure that the taxpayers at least got some stock in the
84 Baroque : Never mind Ken, just bring back to your mind that wonderful vision of Cheney in his wheelchair looking the image of Dr Strangelove during the inaugur
85 AeroVega : We know that. We merely responded to the assertion that the economic downturn is Obama's fault. Nothing more, nothing less. This also works the other
86 KiwiRob : People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones
87 Mortyman : And kings, queens, sultans and emperor bows for the US president. It goes both ways and is a matter of mutual respect. Most royalty has far more expe
88 Scorpio : Ding ding ding ding! We have a winner!
89 Jeremy : Me too! W was not a fiscal conservative. I voted for him twice because Gore and Kerry are jokes. Now....if we could only bring Reagan back from the d
90 Post contains links KC135TopBoom : So, we should not take the POTUS at his own words when he says unemployemnt will not go above 8%? Doesn't he have access to more data than we have? O
91 AGM100 : Yes ..that is exactly the ones. Compassionate conservatism works about the same as Obama's socialism is going to work. Bush did exactly what he said
92 Baroque : OK, well tell us who he DID look like. Are you sure your are OK KC? You really seem to be taking things a bit to heart of late. Anyway, we know that
93 RussianJet : That's some nice irony there.
94 FuturePilot16 : Ok, dude. So, in a lot of Asian countries they bow to each other out of a show of respect, does that mean they're all superior to each other? I mean,
95 ExFATboy : Actually, he's a card-carrying neocon now on the Afghanistan war. I haven't read the entire thread, and know if I do I'll regret it, so all I'll say
96 NA : It would be great if that happened, but it must be clearly said that the legacy of GWB and his ship of fools is much worse than what Reagan found whe
97 Seb146 : No. Criticism of the left has actually been going on since AT LEAST 1998. However, now, it is simply a matter of "you oppose Republicans, so you are
98 United Airline : They are not according the United Nations and the WTO IIRC
99 Ken777 : Since Bush/Cheney's advisors had years on the job you would think that they wouldn't have brought us the Great Recession. But they left us the worst
100 Scorpio : When he said that, it was a prediction, as every 'forward looking statement' is. The fact that it rose higher therefore doesn't mean that was his fau
101 FuturePilot16 : That's exactly what happened. Bush and the rightists exploited the American people and their feelings after 9/11. He used the whole "patriotism" expl
102 Mortyman : Please read my post again. I have never said that the US has royal family. That is not the point. It's not about requirment or not. It's about mutual
103 Post contains links DXing : The reason you don't know anything about it is because the leftist media does what they can to suppress the stories no matter how many federal or Sta
104 LXA333 : Next time I hear Bush got us into the problem, I will FLIP, he just happened to be in position when that happened. If you have no idea what youre talk
105 ExFATboy : He wasn't just "there", his administration pushed the loosening of financial institution that made this recession far worse than usual. To be fair, s
106 Ken777 : Republicans stay in lock step. Look what happened in New York when a Republican candidate thought they could use their own best judgement - Old Saran
107 KC135TopBoom : The Emperor of Japan, and King of Sauda Arabia do not bow to anyone. They did not bow to Barry. The traditional and accepted greeting in internationa
108 Rara : Attack a completely unrelated country to keep its own population happy?
109 Seb146 : Who? Those that support the right-wing talking heads. What, exactly, do they say about any and all policies coming from anyone other than those polic
110 FuturePilot16 : Exactly, i'm not going to deny that, but you see the stupidity of it? Well his decision makes no sense. How stupid would it have been if we attacked
111 Ken777 : I wish that was the case. Go after the ones responsible and kill them. That is why Bush sent troops to Afghanistan. But Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld put
112 Post contains links DXing : Yet they didn't waste a minute, and still don't, in invoking the charge whenever and wherever it suits them on a far larger range of topics. Explain
113 Ken777 : A closet Democrat. Maybe she'll come out one day. He had to stand in a primary election. Maybe he pissed off the Democrats in the state - they have a
114 Baroque : This is hardly that relevant except you are wrong again on a simple piece of information and mathematics. Wiki he Vietnam War, also known as the Seco
115 Scorpio : Mant years to come? Translation please? Anyway, it is a simple fact that, in any economic recession, unemployment trails the actual state of the econ
116 FuturePilot16 : Unemployment is a fascinating thing once you come to understand it. Unemployment is everyone of working age ( meaning 16 and over) in the economy, wh
117 NA : I didnt talk about interest rates, I was talking about something much worse.
118 DXing : A socially liberal, fiscally conservative Republican, one among several. And just how far over did the DNC and the democratic leadership bend to make
119 D L X : Bob McDonnell was not the choice of the "GOP electorate" (whatever that means). He was a backroom choice of local party bosses and it was pretty obvi
120 Avent : So what? 51% voted for him a second time. The demonstrated their intellectual acuity then. What's changed?
121 BigOrange : What and George Bush and Dick Cheney didn't?? I think that should read 44% of all Republicans. Why would anyone in their right mind want to go back t
122 STT757 : You know people wanted George Bush back as President before, but instead of the popular George H.W. Bush we got Dubya. People also wanted Clinton back
123 Ferengi80 : I knew America had a high number of people detained due to mental health issues, but I had no idea it was 44% of the population... and if it ain't, t
124 KrisYYZ : I think some people want Bush back because they know him and they know what to expect from a Bush administration. People are still unsure of which dir
125 Ken777 : Or you work for a company that, like other larger companies, provided health care entitlements(benefits) when it was affordable and now is facing tou
126 MSNDC9 : No, he's just making it about 10 times worse with his socialist agenda.
127 Seb146 : Instead of being called "free thinkers" or "having their own ideas" they are called RINOs and being looked down on by the GOP. But, those that do not
128 D L X : Do you know what socialism is?
129 Post contains links NorCal : Reagan is back and in charge of the RNC, haven't you heard? http://www.theonion.com/content/video/zombie_reagan_raised_from_grave
130 EA772LR : You're missing the point first off. The word "unfair" doesn't belong here. It's all about the percent of Americans who would rather have Bush back in
131 DXing : That means a primary. BTW how many republicans filed for the governors race prior to the deadline? A deadline they knew was coming months if not year
132 KrisYYZ : I consider Obama to be a total Centralist. He is far from being "far left". A true far-left President wouldn't have bailed out Wall street by pumping
133 EA772LR : We agree here. I think it's because he has broken so many promises to the far left, and the independents that voted for him. That's where most of his
134 Mt99 : Was a credible source ever given for this?
135 Post contains images EA772LR : Oh sure
136 Post contains links AGM100 : Better tell him that ,,,, he gave himself a B plus so far ... so he thinks he is doing well enough and a pending A minus if he get Harry Care through
137 Post contains links KC135TopBoom : Ahhh which ones advocated hate, and which ones advocated disagreement with his policies? BTW, just becaise someone does not like the President's poli
138 Post contains links ACDC8 : Non US members still haven't made it clear to you yet? Hope you understand German ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtdmlJlR9NI .... starting at 1:1
139 Yellowstone : They're called Blue Dogs, and though the progressive wing of the party certainly wants to replace them with more left-wing politicians through the pr
140 FuturePilot16 : Your point? See, that's the difference between you and me. You get your info from Wikipedia, and i'm a business major with a minor in economics, I kn
141 Mortyman : Actually several american soldiers have been killed or wounded because of lack of protective material on their vehicals. Not to mention the fact that
142 Post contains links Ken777 : Boogeyman speak? LMFAO, I went through the health insurance company screws when I had my little company and was premiums double. If it hit me then th
143 Cytz_pilot : I always thought a Centralist would be the best president, because they can make 'the best interest' decisions without the pressure of conforming to
144 PC12Fan : And if you really think that dubbya was the one and only reason for this, I've got some ocean front property in Montana I'd like to sell ya.
145 EA772LR : That's BS. If you listen to many of Obama's campaign speeches full of faux promises, he campaigned much more as a centrist (accept for the few times
146 Yellowstone : Which leftist policies? Continuing the bailouts started under the Bush administration? Extending the US presence in Afghanistan? Winding up with a he
147 Cytz_pilot : Call my opinion whatever you want. He got votes in my household so that our 2 wars would be scaled back and so there would be a strong voice for publ
148 Seb146 : They are called "conservative Democrats." Has Bauchus been given up by the Democratic party? I see.... So, when Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, O'Reilly,
149 Baroque : I think we know the answer there D L X! As you possibly know he was not at the Kasserine Pass battle (19 Feb 1943) but was at the follow up which was
150 Jpetekyxmd80 : Absolutely right. For all the big talk KC135 throws around, he can insert foot in mouth now, i'm sure its an easy fit at this point. You'd think that
151 Scorpio : I believe that's the phase we call 'denial'. They did. That's not even a matter of opinion, it's fact. For 8 years, the world laughed at the US for t
152 Post contains links KC135TopBoom : That is correct, the Dems want to get rid of the blue dogs. But I was not answering your question, it was Seb146's. Better wake up, son. You'll miss
153 Scorpio : There are European troops in Afghanistan, very few countries are in Iraq. But that's not what I was referring to. I was talking about the PEOPLE. The
154 Baroque : None of which was in Libya or Lybia. And last time I was in Arnhem it was in The Netherlands and not in Libya - either. I am sure planning for Market
155 Seb146 : Too many right-wing cheerleaders had/have that line of thinking. Look around the net. Just because you, personally, may not have said it, does not me
156 EA772LR : With all due respect, please tell me why you had any confidence that Obama would be a strong leader? That Obama would be anything other than who and
157 Post contains links DXing : Yes, because as much as you failed to find quallity affordable insurance other companies do not. Yes the price goes up but the price goes up on most
158 EA772LR : This is a point that not a single honest Liberal can argue with. This administration has been anything but 'transparent'.
159 Seb146 : But it was perfectly logical and acceptable for the former VP to meet behind closed doors with big oil execs to draw up the energy policy of the Unit
160 FuturePilot16 : Right, so the Professors and their PHD's in Economics are wrong then? And so are the textbooks and the Teaching Assistant's are wrong? All the articl
161 Post contains links DXing : Did the Bush administration ever once promise "the most open and transparent administration ever" as then candidate Obama did? http://www.slate.com/i
162 FlyDeltaJets87 : You mean like the war in Iraq? Yes, and you will find that out when you graduate - that college and the real world are little different. Just because
163 San747 : Talk about an understatement. Yes, Bush's popularity was still ~90% barely three months after 9/11. That 9/11 wave gave him an exhilarating ride in t
164 FuturePilot16 : There's just no arguing with you conservatives,so I don't really care. I love how how he can present info from Wikipedia, probably written by 10th gr
165 Ken777 : Not really. They've been in the party and pretty comfortable there for more years than I have been alive. Of course profits were important. (Cash flo
166 EA772LR : Wow. Is that a sound byte from Rachel Maddows?? Nice contribution What an ignorant thing to say. By the way, a growing number of those same Americans
167 FuturePilot16 : I came up with that myself. I'm glad you laughed at it, shows you can't accept it as the truth Honestly dude, i'd rather have a false prophet, apolog
168 Avent : Not as much as you think perhaps, since reducing all problems to one individual's responsibility, all the while ignoring the spoiler role played by R
169 Post contains links EA772LR : More sound bytes?? Is it Chris 'Obama gives me a quiver' Mathews? That's pretty scary that you actually believe that Obama will bring peace to the Mi
170 Avent : No, but you blamed it on Obama and gloat over his ratings even though he inherited 2 wars and a wrecked economy. It's all very hypocritical to blame
171 Seb146 : When? Which would explain why both Bush and Cheney left office with such a low numbers. BTW, we are still all waiting for the link to the real number
172 EA772LR : Since you're the expert, why don't you propose a system that has produced as much wealth as the U.S.'s free market system for as many individuals. No
173 OA412 : In a poll where 20% of respondents also stated that Obama should be impeached. Forgive me for being just the slightest bit skeptical of the poll resu
174 Avent : Well first off, I'm not an expert, and second, I'm glad you referred to the wealthy middle class in the past tense. As for creating wealth for many i
175 EA772LR : and finish this with 'and into the hands of the government'. The government is too big already. Not even close to the size of America's and neither e
176 Post contains links DXing : Gotta laugh at those people who think you can just dump 10 million people into a system without expanding that system and expect it to just chug alon
177 FlyDeltaJets87 : Actually Bush received a jump in approval ratings at the start of the Iraq war. But then when success didn't happen overnight, more and more began to
178 FuturePilot16 : Here we go again . What I stated were not opinions, they were facts. Albeit they didn't come from wikipedia, but they came from me sitting through Ec
179 Bhill : I think those 44% need to turn in their voting cards until they go back to High School and pass Civics, and read very closely what the 22nd amendment
180 Avent : Judging a government purely by its size is overly simplistic. One has to weigh the benefits against the cost. If it provides effective services, whet
181 FlyDeltaJets87 : This and this are not "Facts", no matter how much you want them to be. If those are what you consider "Facts" or "Truth", then you need to go to the
182 RussianJet : I'm going to say Sweden. Haven't seen many people living in hovels there. General standard of living is probably better than the average in the US.
183 Bhill : Fly Delta jets....the post title was "44% of Americans Want Bush Back In WH" please tell me where the word "if" is in that title? I comprehended EXACT
184 Mortyman : NORWAY Higher GDP than the USA and standard of living. No foreign debt and very low unemployment.
185 Avent : Not meaningfully if you have pre-existing conditions.
186 FlyDeltaJets87 : Well the post title does not automatically mean that is what was stated in the article that was in the thread starter. Here is what was in the articl
187 Ken777 : Or is our steady decline based on uncontrolled greed that went on during the Bush/Cheney years? The rich got richer, the poor got poorer and the coun
188 EA772LR : I didn't say all native cultures. I was talking about the ones here. To think they were living in a harmonious peaceful existence is outright wrong.
189 FlyDeltaJets87 : Please elaborate. According to the US Census Bureau, the median income per household (which the Census Bureau views as the more accurate representati
190 DXing : Thanks to big oil. They do have foreign debt but are a net creditor. Again, Norway has oil to thank for the low unemployment. One place I will give t
191 EA772LR : Why do liberals think that Bush/Cheney caused every problem in America...it's laughable If one choses to be blinded by sheer stupidity and see that t
192 Mt99 : There had to be a House of Cards built to begin with for it to fall.right? I am glad you accept the fact there was a house of cards
193 Ken777 : Inflation based on oil prices shooting through the moon - making oilmen like Cheney really happy? Now try to chart the buying power of people working
194 Yellowstone : If you factor in inflation, though, that $46,242 in 2005 equates to $50,978 in 2008. So real median income only went up about $1,000 per household, n
195 Post contains links FlyDeltaJets87 : Yea. How many Americans own 48"+ LCD screen tvs with state-of-the-art surround sound systems and DVD players to go with it? A google search shows 28%
196 Mt99 : How many have paid for these? How many of these items are in a credit card with 30% interest?
197 Seb146 : Again, those are just numbers thrown out there by a blogger. Hell, I could write a blog and post numbers. Without links to actual polls, they are mea
198 Post contains links and images FlyDeltaJets87 : Sounds kinda like the Obama Administration and passing the Stimulus package. Only the Obama Administration (and liberals) wanted it both ways. First
199 Post contains links DXing : You obviously didn't bother to click on the link not check out their home page. It is not a blogger. They offer a blogging site, as does just about e
200 Mt99 : Some other questions in the poll to frame the issue: Q1 Approve of Obama Presidency? 49% Approve 47% disapprove Q5 Bush or Obama 44% want Bush.. 50%
201 Post contains links FlyDeltaJets87 : Which region of the country they live in. And you went the liberal way, failing to note in your rant that more Democrats (39%) took the survey than R
202 Post contains links DXing : Several weeks ago there was a poll out where most Americans described themselves as conservative. http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/co...gle-largest-
203 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : DXing, don't bring facts into this conversation that could prove this poll fairly accurate. That would piss off liberals. (Both proving this poll acc
204 Ken777 : The Heritage Foundation? Ya gotta be kidding me! Why would a centrist ever put faith in a hard right group? That's about the same as putting full fai
205 FlyDeltaJets87 : A) A larger number of Republicans voted for Obama in 2008 B) A larger number of registered Democrats who often vote Republican at the national level
206 Seb146 : Okay.... So, I clicked on the link you wanted me to click on. Took me to the home page. That had a pie chart showing the numbers the "conservatives"
207 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : But I did give you the exact link to the PDF File. Not the home page. And it had every question asked in the poll, as well as the demographic breakdo
208 Baroque : I suppose that this is as opposed to rightist goons is it? Just a matter of net protocol, why is it OK to keep referring to those not of the right as
209 FuturePilot16 : Why do conservatives love these ridiculous polls so much? I don't think i've ever participated in one of these gallup polls or a presidential popular
210 DXing : It's always someone elses fault in your world, ever notice that? No need to worry about global warming anymore folks for Hell has surely frozen over.
211 DXing : I said the same thing in a thread not long ago and was taken to task for it. I still take polls with a grain of salt since the raw numbers can always
212 Avent : This is quite an original analysis; you're defending yourself by merely characterizing all North American natives without exception as having being b
213 Ken777 : So your Heritage efforts don't show the decline in the spending power in this groiup. WHy am I not surprised. Nope. It's up to me to decide if I can
214 Baroque : While that did not help, the quick answer is "no". Of course ALL Norway's oil and gas are offshore where you are not going to want to run around dril
215 FlyDeltaJets87 : As I said, if you want to make that case, it's up to YOU to do so. The way I see it, with the median income going up $6,000 in the last three years w
216 FuturePilot16 : Exactly. I hope no one thinks i'm skeptical of these polls because they all favor the conservatives. Fact is i've never trusted these polls, whether
217 EA772LR : Excellent post. Right...I won't hold my breath. This has nothing to do with cleaning up the environment. It's got everything to do with control. The
218 Avent : [quote=EA772LR,reply=217]Native American studies. Lectures on the history of Native American anthropology. quote] University lectures? What University
219 EA772LR : Now see I didn't say that did I?? I was talking about Native Americans were not living in a peaceful, utopia. There was much fighting amongst rival n
220 Fxramper : I miss Dubya.
221 Ken777 : Now that's funny. The power company was changing out transformers in the neighborhood. The previous sub-contractor had reversed some wiring in our ho
222 Avent : Yes you did. Here's the quote: I will add that trying to distance yourself from the implications of what you wrote through attacking my supposed 'whi
223 DXing : That's kind of a leap in thinking. When you thinking about whaling and how Norway depleted their fishing grounds and moved to Iceland to continue, th
224 DXing : Yeah it is since in order to believe this story you have to suspend belief in several other areas. They just waltzed into your neighborhood unanounce
225 DeltaRules : All I'm gonna say is that I thought it was the dumbass who spent the previous 8 years in the White House who was responsible for that...
226 EA772LR : Re-read what I wrote Avent. Did I say every Native American Nation was at war with each other?? No. I'm not trying to distance myself from anything.
227 Ken777 : What sounds more likely is that you can't really understand the situation. It hit two homes - mine and a rather decent guy next door. The previous su
228 FlyDeltaJets87 : They were great for me and my family. And that's what I care about most. I can pull up the quotes from Kerry, Clinton (Bill and Hillary), Pelosi, and
229 Seb146 : I don't know either. What I saw was a poll about how 44% of SOUTH DAKOTANS want Bush back. I saw the NATIONAL poll saying Americans think less of Bus
230 Post contains links and images FlyDeltaJets87 : Well in the link I provided, the top of the poll says "National Survey Results". Maybe things are different in Oregon, but in the states I've lived i
231 JBirdAV8r : Did you fall asleep in middle school statistics class? Gallup is one of the most widely respected polling firms by either party. Their results are of
232 Post contains links Superfly : Newsflash; President Obama's approval rating holding steady at 56% . So if you can understand basic math, that would be 44% feel the opposite. Conside
233 Post contains links FlyDeltaJets87 : You're clearly twisting the numbers 'Fly. Obama started with almost 70% approval ratings (according to Gallup) and declined to about the 50% range by
234 Ken777 : You sure that is when it started. You sure that the Democrats are the reason for the Great Recession? Did you get that from the Heritage Foundation?
235 Seb146 : Finally! One poll one place says 44% of the people they polled. Even still, HALF still want Obama as president! Why are you righties crowing that LES
236 FlyDeltaJets87 : The current recession started in December 2007/January 2008. This is even what is stated by CNN. The Democrats gained control of Congress in November
237 Baroque : Just as long as you do not extend that to arguing that planning is never a good idea. I am not saying you WOULD do that, but alas all to often the di
238 DXing : Two households that don't know the basic rules of what to do when the power goes out. They admit responsibility, not fault. It can't be their fault y
239 Post contains links Baroque : Sorry, but forecasts were plentiful. Difficult now to find the early papers but here is one http://icesjms.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/31
240 DXing : The first example really doesn't say that while they were over fishing, and we're talking fish here, not whales as I used as an example, they realize
241 Seb146 : Because, with this particular poll, every time I clicked on something I was told to click on, I reported back what my own two eyes saw. Every time, i
242 Post contains links Starbuk7 : And if you look at the Rasmussen poll, his numbers are even lower than the Gallup Poll. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...n/daily_presidential_t
243 Baroque : Yes it was. In the 40s there was much in the UK papers on exhaustion of fish stocks. And it was noted that this was after they had had a partial rest
244 DXing : Neither example shows that prior to the start of the decline that anyone thought much about it. Again, you can't plan for what you don't understand.
245 Seb146 : Something that has been bothering me about this statement: A couple of years ago, when Bush's numbers were in the tank, the right wing was scraming a
246 Arrow : The comparison still works, and lessons learned through big mistakes doesn't always apply. Unfortunately planning gets in the way of the free market
247 Yellowstone : That doesn't follow. The Gallup poll sample was meant to reflect all Americans, while Obama won 53% of voters. The presidential election saw a 63% tu
248 Ken777 : So you actually believe that the Democrats gain some power in Congress (but Republicans still maintain power in the Senate with the ability to stall
249 FlyDeltaJets87 : You are correct, however, I notice you only addressed me when Superfly used the exact same logic to make his point. Any reason for only addressing me
250 Baroque : Great post Arrow. I know that succession well, but we tend not to get the production stuff. So that was very interesting. Those rocks are a nightmare
251 DXing : Agreed, but again you cannot plan for what you technically don't understand which the drillers at Spindletop and other fields in the early 20th centu
252 Baroque : I do not doubt that governments can waste money but I seem to have less difficulty with this concept than you do with that of companies alarmingly of
253 Seb146 : My suspicion is, as I pointed out before, every link I clicked on or was told to click on, took me to different links with no poll at all. I even cli
254 DXing : And I would argue the opposite since by raising taxes you are just taking more what is not yours to begin with not to mention how it affects prices i
255 Ken777 : Yes it is. That is why I don't put a lot of faith in what they deliver. It's also why I don't bother to try to find balancing data. Both, in my opini
256 DXing : Hardly. It was a defined employer benefit when you joined. I've seen the same changes and have had no problems. But I don't consider my experience to
257 Ken777 : Actually he runs a pretty good company and expects his insurance company to take as good care of customers as he does. Maybe part of the reason for h
258 Baroque : The hilarious thing is you think this applies to taxes (where replacement is possible) but not to resources where replacement may not be possible. He
259 Arrow : Thanks for that. You too Baroque. Maybe there's general agreement that both the government AND the private sector can screw up monumentally and waste
260 DXing : But then he has to deal with people that won't follow the basic rules of protecting what they own. And his insurance company has to deal with those p
261 Baroque : It is indeed. Between takeovers giving more and more concentration (so more being too big to fail) and poor internal planning and control in the priv
262 Post contains images DXing : The public would notice as with all government operations it would soon bog down in endless and mostly needless red tape. It certainly wouldn't make
263 Arrow : C'mon DX, this is a myth. I've worked extensively for both government and private sector as a consultant, and I've experienced gross mismanagement, n
264 DXing : I visit the DMV every once in a while and get to wait in extremely long lines. When I go to a store and the line gets too long they open another regi
265 Seb146 : And that makes you an expert? I have visited the DMV also. I have waited up to 15 minutes. The main reason I can tell? The customer is having issues.
266 Arrow : Well, they are Canadian -- but they include provincial ministry of energy,mines, and petroleum resources, crown corporation BC Hydro, federal Ministr
267 KrisYYZ : I couldn't agree more. Capitalism and the open market are the best types of economic principle we have. However there has to be certain safe guards b
268 Ken777 : Actually the power company was able to change out all the other transformers on the block without anyone having to unplug anything. From their commen
269 EA772LR : I think majority of Americans, especially those who feel accountable for their own actions, strongly disagree with a 'Public Option' which would mere
270 DXing : Nope, but it's happened in 3 States I've lived in so it's certainly not a limited event. As long as I get satisfaction where that person is located a
271 Baroque : We both know I was writing about natural resources and creation of wealth can employ natural resources but generally it has naught to do with their a
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