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User currently offlineFCA767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1752 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1876 times:

I want to write a full review of the worst slave driving company in the world. But Am I legally allowed to give my opinion and to show some secret recordings of how the managers act?
I only did 2 videos on my camera phone and recorded 30 mins audio.

What would be the worst thing to happen if I told people about the company?

It's a Temping job position that most people walked out of because of the terrible regime

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User currently offlineSunshine79 From UK - England, joined Jan 2006, 1759 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1869 times:

I don't think it's legal unless you have their authorisation. When working for a company, you don't have the right of freedom of expression, trust me I know this by receiving a written warning and losing my winter placement from what I wrote about the 'merge' between two companies. Being a temp, they will instantly dismiss you and only give you a reason that your assignment has been completed or you are no longer needed. Be careful if you still want to be working into the New Year.


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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1862 times:
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Turn it over to the media as an anonymous source


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User currently offlineFCA767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1752 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1848 times:

Quoting Sunshine79 (Reply 1):
I don't think it's legal unless you have their authorisation. When working for a company, you don't have the right of freedom of expression, trust me I know this by receiving a written warning and losing my winter placement from what I wrote about the 'merge' between two companies. Being a temp, they will instantly dismiss you and only give you a reason that your assignment has been completed or you are no longer needed. Be careful if you still want to be working into the New Year.

It's ok, I wouldn't want to work for them again...
I walked out this evening.

Lets say this...The Team Coach Implemented a Bingo Game to make us Key Town names faster
She said Cockermouth

Other manager keying in entries laughed, chatted to other temps laughed at the word again, the temps made funny remark and she carried on the remark taking it further and laughing.
I looked round at them and laughed, then Team coach went up to her laughing saying "what?" and she continued to laugh
other temps laughing and looking at each other
She then loooks at me because i looked at them again and I got told off...
3 weeks of being told off for turning my head to look at the clock for split second to see time for the break I get told off...Apparently she says, I'm not allowed to take my eye off the screen for 1 second...for an entire hour...
Then when I get really good typing speed she only says aim higher

Thankfully my busines is picking up and I have my first paid wedding on monday...
I've had abour 26 jobs and this one has to be the worst temping job...

[Edited 2009-12-18 14:54:20]

User currently offlineFCA767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1752 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1839 times:



Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 2):
Turn it over to the media as an anonymous source

Good Idea, though I suppose the only footage i have is coming back 30 seconds late and them moaning about that...
It's extremely Petty...Especially when they already send you on break late and then moan at us for coming back 30 secs late...


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3360 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1794 times:



Quoting FCA767 (Thread starter):
What would be the worst thing to happen if I told people about the company?

Nothing unless you expose trade secrets or violate any terms of any contract you have signed.

Where I would worry is that this company exposes you and it will be hard to find a job in a similar industry. People hate whistleblowers even if you do it with the best of intentions and any future company will fear you doing the same to them.



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User currently offlineMoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2313 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1764 times:

I suspect they are not the "worst slave driving company in the world". You are free to write what you want about them, but you had better be prepared to back up any claims you make in case they decide to take legal action for slander, harassment or defamation.

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 2):
Turn it over to the media as an anonymous source

What, for the special report about companies that are mean to their employees? Unless you have proof they are doing something illegal, the media isn't going to be interested in your story.

What exactly are you looking to gain by writing about them? You've already quit, and from what you've said here, it sounds like your main complaint is that some people were laughing about someone's comment, and you didn't get to join in on the fun. I hate to say it, but you come off sounding a little whiny to me.

[Edited 2009-12-18 21:31:02 by moose135]


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User currently offlineFCA767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1752 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1733 times:



Quoting Moose135 (Reply 6):
What exactly are you looking to gain by writing about them? You've already quit, and from what you've said here, it sounds like your main complaint is that some people were laughing about someone's comment, and you didn't get to join in on the fun. I hate to say it, but you come off sounding a little whiny to me.

I did get in on the fun until the head coach argued at me for looking round at them when they laughed again....she seems to be the strictest...she even moaned to the other managers wandering why her team is at the bottom of the statistics...
Maybe I should just write a letter to the Head of that shift as he seems more laid back.
And let any students know about the time I had


User currently offlineFCA767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1752 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1733 times:



Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 5):

Nothing unless you expose trade secrets or violate any terms of any contract you have signed.

Thanks for the info  Smile


User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6014 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1728 times:



Quoting FCA767 (Thread starter):
worst slave driving company in the world

I was completely unaware that you were involved in the transport of slaves.  duck 



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User currently offlineFCA767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1752 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1717 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 9):
I was completely unaware that you were involved in the transport of slaves

haha! Big grin


User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1700 times:



Quoting FCA767 (Reply 7):

I did get in on the fun until the head coach argued at me for looking round at them when they laughed again....she seems to be the strictest...she even moaned to the other managers wandering why her team is at the bottom of the statistics...
Maybe I should just write a letter to the Head of that shift as he seems more laid back.
And let any students know about the time I had

From the sounds of it, you have a dictator managing your team, and she doesn't understand how to really motivate a team properly, or has other problems.

This kind of super strict and aggressive behaviour doesn't encourage high morale in workers, it also encourages workers to cover up mistakes (for fear of abusive/violent repercussions). It might also cause poor performance of the team.


User currently offlineFCA767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1752 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1689 times:



Quoting Cpd (Reply 11):
From the sounds of it, you have a dictator managing your team, and she doesn't understand how to really motivate a team properly, or has other problems.

This kind of super strict and aggressive behaviour doesn't encourage high morale in workers, it also encourages workers to cover up mistakes (for fear of abusive/violent repercussions). It might also cause poor performance of the team.

Yes! I think so too...even the big shift boss came up to her the other day talking about a massive increase in errors...and another coach mentioned something about morale is good in his team to her...
Another reason I got annoyed was at their noisy attitude through the week, the managers even sat there chatting about a beauty salon and what curry they want to book for their dinner...no wonder i'm looking at them


User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1680 times:

Seriously if this is your worst complaint count yourself lucky.

I'd only go public with a job complaint if they were doing something illegal or dangerous. Nearly every company has at least some dumb unpleasant folks in managment that is hardly groundbreaking.

If you go public with something like this be prepared to be treated like a leper by any potential future employer. Who wants to hire a whiner.


User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1670 times:

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 13):
Nearly every company has at least some dumb unpleasant folks in managment that is hardly groundbreaking.



Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 13):
Who wants to hire a whiner.

Poor performing managers should be reported to their supervisors. And this one clearly sounds like a very poor one.

I've worked alongside (but not for them) that kind of management previously (a very long time ago) - and I've seen the damage it can do to large projects, along with the staff morale. The difference in my case is that the problem staff member wasn't just bad at management, but was abusive, verbally and physically.

It's not something you should just accept.

[Edited 2009-12-19 06:50:39 by cpd]

User currently offlineFCA767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1752 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1657 times:



Quoting Cpd (Reply 14):
Poor performing managers should be reported to their supervisors. And this one clearly sounds like a very poor one.

I've worked alongside (but not for them) that kind of management previously (a very long time ago) - and I've seen the damage it can do to large projects, along with the staff morale. The difference in my case is that the problem staff member wasn't just bad at management, but was abusive, verbally and physically.

It's not something you should just accept.

Exactly! I'm not a whiner like the above poster...
From the very beginning with the Agency Falsley Advertising a higher Hourly Wage and continued to re-post at this rate even after I telephoned them about the Wage and them saying it was a mistake.
To other things like making us believe we weren't allowed to the toilet until our hourly eye break, I managed to ask another manager if we were allowed, which we were.


User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1646 times:



Quoting FCA767 (Reply 15):
To other things like making us believe we weren't allowed to the toilet until our hourly eye break,

That's wrong. This sounds like a call-centre, or tele-marketing type of environment, am I right?

Do you have any ombudsman type offices you could go to? Or employment relations/industrial relations offices you can complain to? I'm not sure what kind of laws you have in the UK, but here in Australia - this kind of thing doesn't go down very well at all.

I'm very lucky to have worked with some very thoughtful, caring and perceptive managers so far in my career - and you know what, my old manager where I used to work (in fact, the old workplace in general) we still catch-up over the Christmas dinner.  Smile I don't have a bad word to say about them.


User currently offlineFCA767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1752 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1630 times:



Quoting Cpd (Reply 16):

That's wrong. This sounds like a call-centre, or tele-marketing type of environment, am I right?

Do you have any ombudsman type offices you could go to? Or employment relations/industrial relations offices you can complain to? I'm not sure what kind of laws you have in the UK, but here in Australia - this kind of thing doesn't go down very well at all.

I'm very lucky to have worked with some very thoughtful, caring and perceptive managers so far in my career - and you know what, my old manager where I used to work (in fact, the old workplace in general) we still catch-up over the Christmas dinner. Smile I don't have a bad word to say about them.

I guess I haven't said anything Libel? so I'll give a clue, they already are being investigated by panarama but on the post man side, not the data entry side...but it's exactly the same principle...
Let me know if I've said anything Libel please as I'll delete
Its the main mail company in the uk


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9194 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1598 times:



Quoting FCA767 (Reply 15):
Quoting Cpd (Reply 14):
Poor performing managers should be reported to their supervisors. And this one clearly sounds like a very poor one.

I've worked alongside (but not for them) that kind of management previously (a very long time ago) - and I've seen the damage it can do to large projects, along with the staff morale. The difference in my case is that the problem staff member wasn't just bad at management, but was abusive, verbally and physically.

It's not something you should just accept.

Exactly! I'm not a whiner like the above poster...
From the very beginning with the Agency Falsley Advertising a higher Hourly Wage and continued to re-post at this rate even after I telephoned them about the Wage and them saying it was a mistake.
To other things like making us believe we weren't allowed to the toilet until our hourly eye break, I managed to ask another manager if we were allowed, which we were.

That's unfortunate that you have to put up with that. I feel your pain. Sometimes, the head honcho where I work can be a real tight-wad. That person is known for chopping other peoples' heads off whenever they make an error. I've had it happen to me a few times. They told me I screwed up something. I was about to say that I didn't realize I did that and I was about to apologize, and they cut me off, yelling, "I don't want to hear it! You were here long enough to know what has to be done!"

Heh, my former supervisor came to me and told me that he's sick of the way the director talks to some people...

I know that your situation is a bit different from mine, but still I think the issue is middle management basically laboring under the delusion that they can do whatever they want, and whenever they want to their employees...



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User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1590 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 18):

That's unfortunate that you have to put up with that. I feel your pain.

Just to clarify, I worked alongside, but not for, a problem manager - thank heavens.  Smile

@FCA767: Don't mention the name here, that could be libelous - but complain to any industrial relations commissions/offices you might have in UK. The ACAS might be one port of call:

http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1461

This site might also have some ideas:
http://www.bullying.co.uk/index.php/adults/


User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1577 times:



Quoting Cpd (Reply 14):

Poor performing managers should be reported to their supervisors. And this one clearly sounds like a very poor one.

Sure they should but in the appropriate way.

It is also important to pick your battles if you run off to tattle outside of the chain of command for every little thing you are going to develop an unpleasant reputation.

Employers want employees with good judgement who are going to know when to handle something themselves and when more drastic measures are needed.

The only time taking a complaint public outside of the company would be appropriate is if you have reported a serious safety or legal issue internally through the proper channels and the complaint was ignored.


User currently offlineFCA767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1752 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1544 times:



Quoting Cpd (Reply 19):
@FCA767: Don't mention the name here, that could be libelous - but complain to any industrial relations commissions/offices you might have in UK. The ACAS might be one port of call:

Thanks, I think I'll just write to the main manager, and just warn anyone of the facts that I had gone through  Smile


User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1536 times:



Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 20):

The only time taking a complaint public outside of the company would be appropriate is if you have reported a serious safety or legal issue internally through the proper channels and the complaint was ignored.

That's right. But they are a good source of advice, and they can advise the worker about his or her rights under law. That's the first thing you need to know.


User currently offlineFCA767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1752 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1528 times:



Quoting Cpd (Reply 22):
That's right. But they are a good source of advice, and they can advise the worker about his or her rights under law. That's the first thing you need to know.

Ah it's ok now, I excercised my rights when I got me coat and went xmas shopping at 7pm Big grin


User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5026 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1510 times:



Quoting FCA767 (Thread starter):
I want to write a full review of the worst slave driving company in the world. But Am I legally allowed to give my opinion and to show some secret recordings of how the managers act?
I only did 2 videos on my camera phone and recorded 30 mins audio.

What would be the worst thing to happen if I told people about the company?

It's a Temping job position that most people walked out of because of the terrible regime

Why even work there? Find another job before moving on.

Quoting FCA767 (Reply 21):
Thanks, I think I'll just write to the main manager, and just warn anyone of the facts that I had gone through Smile

This may be a waste of time. The main manager is obviously the core of the problem perhaps. I would suggest taking a deep breath, and let them run a bad company. Bad companies either have to get better to survive, or they fail like many others.



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25 FCA767 : Its partly government owned and the actual post men were going on strike for a similar strategy, Being made to walk routes that a Marine couldnt even
26 IH8BY : If you're a temp and you really don't like it (more than you dislike being out of work, as in this economic climate, that's probably the alternative),
27 Steeler83 : Heck, even those with exceptional qualifications can't find employment. I think I'm proof of that (along with several other folks I'm sure)! I have a
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