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Eagles Players Honor Micheal Vick  
User currently offlineStratosphere From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1653 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1696 times:

This is truly sickning...Now I know the team is a bunch of losers not only Vick. I hope the Eagle go down in flames..I always knew I hated Philly and now I know why..

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...Vick-with-award-for?urn=nfl,210601


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User currently offlineAAORY From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1646 times:

Yet another reason I hate the Eagles.


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User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1639 times:



Quoting Stratosphere (Thread starter):
...Now I know the team is a bunch of losers not only

Yet they make millions while you sit here calling them names. The last time I checked, a professional athlete isn't a loser by any means necessary.

I thought some of this hatred and outrage over Vick would have been suppressed by now, but I guess to some people a few canines is more important than a man.



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User currently offlineStratosphere From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1653 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1627 times:



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 2):
I thought some of this hatred and outrage over Vick would have been suppressed by now, but I guess to some people a few canines is more important than a man.

Any canine is worth more than that piece of trash...Hope he gets his head stomped.



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User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1601 times:



Quoting Stratosphere (Reply 4):
Any canine is worth more than that piece of trash...Hope he gets his head stomped.

And what exactly does your hatred warrant? Do you think Vick cares? Did he kill one of your dogs? I'm pretty sure you've never met Vick, and he's never directly affected your life, yet you're wasting your energy on him. Ignorance is amazing.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 3):
Your thread is a lot more sickening than this award to me.

I agree.



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1595 times:



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 2):
The last time I checked, a professional athlete isn't a loser by any means necessary.

Except Tom Brady and the New England Patriots in Super Bowl XLII.  biggrin 

Quoting Stratosphere (Thread starter):
I hope the Eagle go down in flames..I always knew I hated Philly and now I know why..

I do too, but as a Giants fan, I hated the Eagles before they acquired Vick. The acquisition of Vick only reaffirmed that hatred.

Quoting Stratosphere (Reply 4):
Any canine is worth more than that piece of trash...Hope he gets his head stomped.

I know I won't lose any sleep if he gets his leg snapped in a Lawrence Taylor style tackle.


User currently offlineStratosphere From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1653 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1576 times:



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 5):
And what exactly does your hatred warrant?

Let me tell you something kid..I was doing volunteer work at animal shelters before you were on this earth and Vick is just the poster child punk for a bloodsport that too many people are involved in and my personal hate for him is that he is back to making millions because in sports is all about the money..If he truly care about redemption he would give some of his millions to animal rescue groups.



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User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1565 times:



Quoting Stratosphere (Reply 7):
.If he truly care about redemption he would give some of his millions to animal rescue groups.

Yea, while his family suffers while he can't repay the millions of dollars that he owes. I'm sure you'd love that. Better yet, he can donate the millions to PETA. That would be great. They can use the money to jump start a marketing campaign to get elementary school children to drink alcohol instead of milk.

What you need to realize is that the man is still an athlete, and has a lot of debt owed to banks and whatnot. It's the most ridiculous thing in the world that you expect him to take every penny that he is busting is butt out on the football field for, and donate it all to charity. That would be the dumbest thing in the world.

It's funny how you just let your hatred make all the the suggestions instead of letting your common sense take over. You should suggest that he volunteer numerous hours in Animal shelters and do public service announcements about Animal cruelty, and even donate (some) money to Animal shelters, maybe even open his own Animal orphanage one day where homeless animals can get care. But no. Instead you wish that he not only get's hurt, but in the process he donate all the money made from this season (which is not much considering the debt he is in). Stay classy  Yeah sure .



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User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10007 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1561 times:
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Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 8):
It's funny how you just let your hatred make all the the suggestions instead of letting your common sense take over.

Common sense suggests that this:

The Ed Block Courage Award recipient symbolizes professionalism, great strength and dedication. He is also a community role model.

does not apply to Michael Vick.

Which is what the thread is about in the first place.

I certainly don't waste hate (or love) on the guy, and if the Eagles want to award him, then so be it, but no one has to agree.



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User currently offlineJM017 From Jamaica, joined Jun 2002, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1433 times:

I am an Eagles fan. First, let me tell you: I was extremely upset that they signed him. I understand the team did this more out of sympathy. So for that I have some respect for them. I am certain Vick will not be there next year.

Now, should he have been considered for the award? Hell no! He has done nothing courageous. He is trying to salvage his career.


Having paid the price for his crimes, he deserves a chance to live a productive and meaningful life. I say this, remembering how disgusted I was with his actions, so I do not say this lightly. I felt strongly that he deserved to be punished. And in the end he was.

I would be happier if he showed genuine remorse.

Now, had he not been punished and the eagles signed him, I could not support the team.

Quoting Stratosphere (Reply 6):
.If he truly care about redemption he would give some of his millions to animal rescue groups.

I agree 100%.

Quoting Stratosphere (Reply 3):
Any canine is worth more than that piece of trash...Hope he gets his head stomped.

A bit strong, don't you think?



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User currently offlineCsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1421 times:

Having paid the price for his crimes, he deserves a chance to live a productive and meaningful life. I say this, remembering how disgusted I was with his actions, so I do not say this lightly. I felt strongly that he deserved to be punished. And in the end he was.

You know, I understand the law, but I simply don't think he paid the price for his crimes. And his crimes are on the continuum scale of cruelty that makes me concerned about him as a person being out in public.

Let me explain. A lot of athletes do dumb things because they are rich athletes surrounded by sycophants. So 99.9% of the time, i think a live & let live policy should rule, if he or she made amends so what.

Tiger Woods? So what? Plaxico Burress? So what? I'd let him back in a heartbeat if he was able to come back.

Michael Vick
Ran a dog fighting operation.
Personally abused and killed some of the dogs that weren't aggressive enough.

That is a hell a lot more than a testosterone-fueled athlete behaving like a jock. That is a major failure of character. That is a major danger to the public. Someone with an attitude like that can very easily graduate from abusing animals to abusing people. If you look at a lot of serial killers, serial rapists and other psychopaths, and one of the things they almost always have is - yep they abused animals before they abused people.

Vick is trash. His apologies are phony and self-serving. Have no sympathy for him if someone does an LT on his ass. How he could've won this award is beyond me. It is insulting to every football loving person.



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User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1416 times:

I really don't care how much money this guy makes or owes, nor do I think for a second that his athletic abilities make up for his crimes. I know that there are numerous viewpoints involved on this issues. Some would say that putting an animals welfare above a humans is illogical. But I maintain that people who abuse animals are just once step away from doing the same to humans. He tortured and killed dogs for money and entertainment.


KrisYYZ


User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1392 times:



Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 11):
But I maintain that people who abuse animals are just once step away from doing the same to humans.

Any proof of this?

Quoting Csavel (Reply 10):

Vick is trash. His apologies are phony and self-serving.

Every apology is. It doesn't matter what a person is apologizing for. People are only sorry because they got caught, they're not sorry for what they did so don't try to make it seem like he's the only one that does it. If all he has to do is apologize to make millions of dollars to play in the NFL again, then so be it. Who the Hell cares.



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User currently offlineStratosphere From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1653 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1367 times:



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 12):
If all he has to do is apologize to make millions of dollars to play in the NFL again, then so be it. Who the Hell cares.

Thats the point..He should have been banned from the NFL permanently. In my job I am drug tested and my butt would be out the door if I was ever convicted of a felony. But the NFL and NBA could care less because it is all about the $$$. The only reason they don't drop the hammer on clowns like this is because they wouldn't have any teams left..The NFL and NBA are full of thugs who if they couldn't throw a ball would most likely be in jail.



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User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1362 times:



Quoting Stratosphere (Reply 13):
But the NFL and NBA could care less because it is all about the $$$.

In Vick's case, it's not the money. I know this because he is not that big of an impact to make more people visit an Eagles game whether home or away. I could see if Vick was kind of a Joe Montana where everyone wants to see him, but this isn't the case. I love watching football and I've seen people mention that they've stopped watching NFL because of the Vick situation which i'm pretty sure the league could care less about. Remember, Vick's publicity is not necessarily bad publicity. If the NFL loses that one fan, they gain 20 because of the publicity their getting. I enjoy watching the game and there's no point in me getting worked up about who's playing on the field.

The way I see it, what they do outside of a football stadium has absolutely nothing to do with me whatsoever. Once they step inside the stadium, they're football players who take part in a game that I watch for entertainment purposes. Once they leave the stadium, they're human like anybody else.



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User currently offlineCsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1326 times:



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 12):
Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 11):
But I maintain that people who abuse animals are just once step away from doing the same to humans.

Any proof of this?

As a matter of fact...
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/425882/the_link_between_animal_abuse_and_serial.html

http://www.sniksnak.com/ac/abuse.html

5 seconds of google. You might argue that these have a point of view, but they reference studies. Woudl be nice if they actually referenced them, but with a minute or two I am sure both you and I can come up with scholarly studies on the nexus between the two of them.



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User currently offlineYOWza From Nepal, joined Jul 2005, 4887 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1257 times:



Quoting Stratosphere (Thread starter):
This is truly sickning

What? That a guy screwed up and after serving his time will forever have a ridiculous stigma attached to him? Yeah that is sickening.

Quoting AAORY (Reply 1):
Yet another reason I hate the Eagles.

What are the others? Just curious if you actually follow football or were just looking to chime in.

Quoting Stratosphere (Reply 3):
Any canine is worth more than that piece of trash...Hope he gets his head stomped.

So it's wrong to hurt animals but by your count it's ok to hurt humans... interesting.

Quoting Stratosphere (Reply 6):
Let me tell you something kid..I was doing volunteer work at animal shelters before you were on this earth and Vick is just the poster child punk for a bloodsport that too many people are involved in and my personal hate for him is that he is back to making millions because in sports is all about the money..If he truly care about redemption he would give some of his millions to animal rescue groups.

First up nobody likes the "son/kid" bit so maybe dial that down and come off you high horse. As for donating money to show he cares that is pathetic if that's what you feel he needs to do.

Quoting Stratosphere (Reply 13):
Thats the point..He should have been banned from the NFL permanently. In my job I am drug tested and my butt would be out the door if I was ever convicted of a felony. But the NFL and NBA could care less because it is all about the $$$. The only reason they don't drop the hammer on clowns like this is because they wouldn't have any teams left..The NFL and NBA are full of thugs who if they couldn't throw a ball would most likely be in jail.

Then why don't you boycott the NFL and NBA rather than squawking about it on an aviation forum... Ever hear of Ricky Williams and his suspension? By your redux of the two leagues I will hazard that you're not a real big sports fan.

Look, what the guy did was detestable and cowardly but to chirp about it at every given chance takes the focus away from abused animals (the true victims) and instead brings the focus to Vick. If you really cared that much about the animals you would have used this and other mentions of Vick as a platform to address the broader issue but I guess chirping is easier.

YOWza



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User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1251 times:



Quoting Csavel (Reply 15):

As a matter of fact...
http://www.associatedcontent.com/art....html

Ted Bundy, David Berkowitz and the rest were all psychopathic mass murderers. I'm pretty sure if Vick was one, he would be in a straight jacket in an insane asylum right now, instead of a talented NFL player.

Don't try to make connections between two different people because they did the same thing. It makes no sense when you analyze it. Some people rob banks because they like the rush they get from it. Others do it because they wanted the money. Ted Bundy killed animals because he was a psychopath who fantasized about killing people, when he was child. However, he was too young to kill people at that point. Mike Vick hung a dog that was severely injured, he electrocuted one for the same reason, and beat numerous dogs because they underperformed. It was all about money and entertainment. I'm sure he didn't enjoy electrocuting a dog, he just did it, and didn't think about the ramifications of what he was doing.

Do you really think Vick sat down in his multi-million dollar home thinking "Yeah, killing these dogs is sure gonna help me commit mass murder, durrrrrrrrr  drunk  ". I mean come on.



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