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A New Reason For Conservatives To Hate Obama  
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20358 posts, RR: 59
Posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3905 times:

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/12...-christmas-will-it-include-church/

Looks like the Obamas haven't chosen a new church. In fact, they really haven't been to church since they got to Washington. They've gone to some services at Camp David, but none in Washington.

I, for one, have always suspected that Obama is an agnostic/atheist who has to play the good Christian for the sake of his career. That's sad because the Constitution says that no test of religion is required to assume a public office. Yet just try to get an open atheist elected, or even a Unitarian. Nope. Every single President except JFK identified as Protestant. But I don't believe for a second that Obama is a devout Christian.

I can see this becoming another political vulnerability, though. He spoke about his faith a lot during his campaign. Now, most reasonable people understand that faith and church have about as much to do with each-other as oak trees and fruit flies, but if you're out to skewer the man, here's a chink in his armor.

While I predict some Conservative backlash, the irony is that in recent history the most regular churchgoers were Carter and Clinton. Neither Bush was a regular. I don't know about Reagan.

Thoughts?

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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15836 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3898 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
Looks like the Obamas haven't chosen a new church. In fact, they really haven't been to church since they got to Washington. They've gone to some services at Camp David, but none in Washington

Heck I don't care.

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
Every single President except JFK identified as Protestant.

Even some people then worried about JFK taking orders from the Pope.

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
While I predict some Conservative backlash,

Those idiots are still convinced that he is a Muslim anyway.



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User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3898 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
I, for one, have always suspected that Obama is an agnostic/atheist

What proof do you have for even thinking this?

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
Looks like the Obamas haven't chosen a new church.

Furthermore, who cares? If I found out tomorrow that Obama was an agnostic, I could care less. I would care more about the situation of the country rather than what his family does on sunday morning. Conservatives are all nuts if they believe religion should be mixed with politics. We can look at Iran and see how much good it's done with them. My family is Christian and my father would be the first to tell you that a man can have a relationship with god without being in church 24-7, as conservatives expect Obama to be.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26168 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3886 times:

Well I suppose this is just yet another thing about the President that turns out so different then appearances or promises on the campaign trail.

I always had my doubts since the Chicago Trinity United Church flap which to me is a racist and Anti-American church and where he called Rev. Wright his "spiritual leader and great friend". His follow up sound bites that he would be "guided by his Christian faith" and his "belief in the power of prayer." rang hallow to me.

But what is ironic here is the slap in the face to many of America's inner city churches that very actively drummed up individual donations for him from members under the guise that the man was a good Christian. I would have taught he would have paid back to homage by attending church around the country as he travels, or the very least regularly in D.C.

Anyhow, the man will be judged at the appropriate time, including at re-election time.



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User currently offlineAsuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2373 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3882 times:

I'm a social liberal, fiscal conservative. I could honestly care less whether the guy goes to church on sunday. While I disagree with the execution, his effort to provide ALL US citizens with health insurance is noble. That is what it means to 'do God's work.' Showing up for church on Sunday but running away from a soup kitchen is not.

User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11580 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3872 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
Even some people then worried about JFK taking orders from the Pope.

As opposed to Reverend Smith?



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User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2602 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3856 times:

I could've sworn that was the irony behind Ronnie Raygun's diddlefest with the social conservatives.......he was not a regular churchgoer by any stretch of the imagination.

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20358 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3853 times:



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 2):

What proof do you have for even thinking this?

I have none, which is why I used the word "suspect." But the fact that he rarely goes to church is one tip-off. And the fact that he's rarely ever discussed matters of faith after the election is another.

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 2):
If I found out tomorrow that Obama was an agnostic, I could care less.

Actually, I'd be relieved. I'd much rather have a man in charge who is a critical thinker than one who has "faith," which means (by definition) that you believe things without any proof.


User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11806 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3760 times:

I have not actually sat in a pew and listened to a sermon for about a year. Maybe more. Does that not make me a Christian? Not in my mind. Just because a person does not attend services does not mean they have given up on their faith. During the whole Rev. Wright thing, I was trying to ask the right when the last time Obama was actually in the services in Chicago. That didn't matter to them. So, this shouldn't either. What I think will happen is the "religious" Right will have a field day with this. Even pointing out that Bush was rarely seen in church, it won't matter to them. This is yet another thing to blame Obama for and why their party should be the only party allowed.


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User currently offlineRichM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 803 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3737 times:

His beliefs are entirely his own business, and not really anybody else's. I don't think anyone has the right to question someone's beliefs. I think it's also worth pointing out that some people are Christians, yet don't go to Church. I am also one of those people.

On a side note, "I could care less" implies that you care somewhat. I think the correct phrase is "I couldn't care less". Normally I wouldn't say anything, but given that both phrases are complete opposites, I think it's worth pointing out in this case.

Rich


User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3729 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
Actually, I'd be relieved. I'd much rather have a man in charge who is a critical thinker than one who has "faith," which means (by definition) that you believe things without any proof.

As would I. A lot of people though one of the reason behind GWB invading Iraq had to do with striking the first blow for the war during Armageddon.



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User currently offlineEvomutant From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 514 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3723 times:



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 10):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
Actually, I'd be relieved. I'd much rather have a man in charge who is a critical thinker than one who has "faith," which means (by definition) that you believe things without any proof.

As would I. A lot of people though one of the reason behind GWB invading Iraq had to do with striking the first blow for the war during Armageddon.

Tony Blair openly admits he prayed to god when deciding whether to Invade Iraw. No doubt GWB had similar divine persuasion.

I'd be impressed if Obama was an Atheist. Is it still the case that Pete Stark is the only national lawmaker "out of the closet"? There are a lot of folks lieing between those two houses... It's a shame it has to be that way.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26168 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3718 times:

Actually, I have much higher trust in someone religious (does not matter the religion) then someone that professes to be agnostic or atheist.

Atleast with a religious person you can be better assured they likely posses some underpinnings which faith has instilled on them versus an atheist where you simply cannot count on which way they might act or where they might come from as their belief's have not been centered in faith.



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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3708 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3692 times:
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Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):

I don't care that he doesn't go to church. I am a Republican, and I haven't been to church in 17 years. I hate him for a long list of other things.



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User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2769 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3682 times:

Doc, maybe you should have said "the Religious Right" in your thread title rather than "conservatives."

Plenty of us who support lower tax burdens, market-based economies, and states' rights could care less about where or whether the Prez goes to church.

[Edited 2009-12-27 11:03:29]


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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11580 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3678 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 12):
Atleast with a religious person you can be better assured they likely posses some underpinnings which faith has instilled on them versus an atheist where you simply cannot count on which way they might act or where they might come from as their belief's have not been centered in faith.

So, you trust faithful because you feel they are more predictable? Because I bet there are fewer atheist mass murderers than religious ones. It's a double edged sword - much evil has been done in an attempt to please God. Many "mistakes were made" while following what some believed was God's plan.

And last I checked, atheists don't shed morality just because they do not believe in God. As a Catholic, I hope they find Him, but I know that suggesting they lack moral underpinnings is not a sound way to convince them.

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 13):
I hate him for a long list of other things.

Wow. Such a strong word. I believe you when you say you don't go to church.  Wink



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15836 posts, RR: 27
Reply 16, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3672 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 12):
Actually, I have much higher trust in someone religious (does not matter the religion) then someone that professes to be agnostic or atheist



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
Actually, I'd be relieved. I'd much rather have a man in charge who is a critical thinker than one who has "faith," which means (by definition) that you believe things without any proof.

I don't think that it makes a difference either way. Being an atheist does not make one smarter or a better thinker and being religious does not make one more trustworthy.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11580 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3659 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 16):
I don't think that it makes a difference either way. Being an atheist does not make one smarter or a better thinker and being religious does not make one more trustworthy.

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But somehow, I think even the Republicans who have stated that they didn't care on this thread will agree that many others in their party will have serious issues with it.



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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3659 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
Actually, I'd be relieved. I'd much rather have a man in charge who is a critical thinker than one who has "faith," which means (by definition) that you believe things without any proof.

Wow. So, in your narrowminded (gee, does that sound familiar?  scratchchin  Wink view, Christians are incapable of critical thinking and rational thought? What a bigot you are. I find that quite ironic from someone who blathers on quite loudly about injustice...someone who claims to be so "progressive"...

Just because Christians seek guidance from God for tough decisions doesn't mean--at ALL--that we just rely willy-nilly into the wind on the first thing that pops into our heads and call it "God's Will." God's "will" is for us to make our own decisions based on the best interest of everyone. And he gives that to us freely.

So I may pray to God for guidance on a tough project at the office, but the ultimate decision falls to me. It doesn't convolute my decision-making process. I don't sit around waiting on what God tells me to do, and for you to insinuate that is a grave insult to not only me but to all Christians.

Your bigoted views really just highlight your basic dearth of knowledge on "faith." I'm sorry religion seems to have failed you so badly. But your pseudo-elitism as an "enlightened" soul is nauseating.



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3643 times:



Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 4):
I could honestly care less whether the guy goes to church

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User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3640 times:

I don't give a crap about the church thing ... but do you have to go to a church that calls my country the US of KKKA ? Of all the churches ..he chose that one ?


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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5373 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3633 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
While I predict some Conservative backlash,

As do I though I think a lot of people would be very well served by heeding the following:

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 8):
Just because a person does not attend services does not mean they have given up on their faith.




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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11580 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3633 times:



Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 18):
I don't sit around waiting on what God tells me to do

While I largely agree with your post, I have to also force you to be fair. Do you honestly not know anyone that sits around waiting on God to tell him or her what to do? I sure do. I know plenty of people that in my view misinterpret the teachings of most holy books by waiting around for God to do things for them, and taking a hands-off view of how to live their lives. They say things like "if God meant it to be, it will happen" Or, "my God will save me." It is a failure of recognizing that God may have given you the tools (your noggin!) to get out of a jam on your own, and I'm sure that failing is what DocLightning (from what I can tell, a non-religious man) latches onto because he, like me, has heard people say "Jesus take the wheel."



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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3629 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 17):
But somehow, I think even the Republicans who have stated that they didn't care on this thread will agree that many others in their party will have serious issues with it.

I do agree with this. There are some "thumpers" out there who would go absolutely ballistic and start throwing around words like "unchurched," "unclean," "possessed" etc. But that's a fringe (vocal) minority.

I likely wouldn't vote for an avowed atheist for mostly political reasons. Why would I vote for someone that had no impetus for defending my point of view?

As a Christian, I would like my President to be the same. However I keep myself grounded in the reality that EVERY move a President (or any politican) makes is calculated politically. And that includes going to church...or not.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20358 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3615 times:

Quoting RichM (Reply 9):

On a side note, "I could care less" implies that you care somewhat. I think the correct phrase is "I couldn't care less". Normally I wouldn't say anything, but given that both phrases are complete opposites, I think it's worth pointing out in this case.

OT, but I looked it up once. Although they would seem to be opposites, both phrases are commonly accepted as synonymous.

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 18):

Wow. So, in your narrowminded (gee, does that sound familiar? scratchchin Wink view, Christians are incapable of critical thinking and rational thought?

Actually, I didn't say that. But it is not my opinion that "belief" necessarily means that reason and evidence must be ignored. That is actually the official definition of the word. If you "believe" something, that means you accept it as a truth without evidence.

Yes, I do mistrust organized religion and its devout followers for that very reason. If your worldview depends on the discounting of facts, then your behavior may be very unpredictable. And that is exactly what we've seen with religious extremism over and over and over again.

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 18):

Just because Christians seek guidance from God for tough decisions doesn't mean--at ALL--that we just rely willy-nilly into the wind on the first thing that pops into our heads and call it "God's Will."

Really? Then why does the same God say different things to different People? Who is correct? Reverend Phelps? The Pope? Paula White? Billy Graham? God has told each of them very different things, if you listen to them. I remember a girl in high school who got a bunch of tattoos because God told her to... and then got them lasered off because God told her to. And became a born-again virgin because God told her to... and then -get this- got pregnant because God told her to. In fact, God told her that she was carrying the Messiah. Apparently, God changed his mind one more time because she miscarried.

You and I might say she's crazy, but the problem with God is that he never seems to speak in a fully objective way. The question I always put to believers is: "If he's so powerful and loving, why doesn't he just put an end to all the confusion and come down here and set us all straight?" Nobody's ever been able to give me a satisfactory answer other than something along the lines of "God works in mysterious ways."

To quote Susan B. Anthony: "I mistrust those who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice how it always coincides with their own desires."

Does it mean that all religious people are incapable of rational and logical thought? Of course not. But when it comes to matters of faith and belief, they must eschew logic and reason by the very definition of those words.

And so no, I'm not a bigot. Why? Because you choose to be a Christian. You are quite free to walk into your church and tell your pastor to strike your name from the rolls. Bigotry, in my opinion, applies to people who hate others based on inherent traits over which they have no control, like race/ethnicity, sex, nationality, sexual orientation, etc.

Maybe it's because I'm a gay Jew, but I have suffered more discrimination, more bigotry, more restriction on my personal freedoms, more harm done to society based on the actions of various religions than any other cause. Whether it's Islamist extremists blowing up planes or Christians working diligently to ensure that I can't marry my partner or adopt children, or the assholes in middle school who branded themselves skinheads and slammed my nose into a locker for being a "Kike," everywhere I turn there is a religion seeking to harm me, restrict me, take something from me, and above all else, convert me.

I have my spirituality. I've seen things that are not explainable by science and I have truly felt the Divine Presence on many occasions in my life. But never once has it happened in a house of worship.

[Edited 2009-12-27 11:47:30]

25 Ken777 : I wouldn't be surprised if the Secret Service and DC Police (especially the Traffic Division) were not exceptionally appreciative that the family was
26 JBirdAV8r : I certainly see your point there. I absolutely do know people who do exactly that. In my own experience, it's a minority of Christians...though an ex
27 FlyMIA : I am a republican, who cares. Seperation of Church and State. What he does with his faith and religion does not mean anything to me about how he does
28 D L X : Well, now you're falling into the same trap that you accused DocLightning of. What makes you think that an atheist would not defend your right to be
29 WarRI1 : I have seen over the years folks who lie, cheat and steal, do drugs, drink and murder people (Mafia) go to church every week. Does going to church mea
30 Yellowstone : I don't mean to speak for Doc, but I don't think that he was saying that religious people are incapable of rational thought. It is the case, though,
31 D L X : Decisions like... love? Love is utterly irrational, and yet almost everyone on the planet does it. AND, Love makes many people do irrational things.
32 NIKV69 : Oh I guess yours is ok then? Jeez
33 Boeing4ever : I have to disagree here... Mistrust should be given to anyone who WEARS their religion, atheism, political affiliation, sexual orientation, race, etc
34 LAXintl : I have higher trust or respect for a God fearing person, one that knows that there is a higher power , and that man is mere mortal on this planet alo
35 D L X : Well, I'd say even as a Christian, that thought is mighty ignorant. People who do not share your faith may nonetheless share your morals. There are a
36 LAXintl : Has nothing to do with Christianity. You could be Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist etc. I just feel that a God fearing person, with some religious convictions
37 FlyDeltaJets87 : Completely different categories D L X, and you know it. Someone does not choose if they are "white" or "male" or "tall" or whatever. But they do choo
38 Avek00 : I am a moderate-to-progressive Episcopalian, and tolerant and accepting as I am of diverse faith and spiritual viewpoints, I would NEVER knowingly vot
39 Boeing4ever : Before the vehment anti-religion nut jobs queue up, I'm going to say this... I'm Catholic, but an atheist President wouldn't bother me. The reason is
40 Yellowstone : I would think that the misdeeds of our various national politicians, all but one of whom have declared themselves to follow some religion or other, d
41 D L X : No, it's really not different at all because the poster I quoted said he wants his president to be of the same faith as he is, and if you are actuall
42 Seb146 : This is one thing I have never understood about people that are religious: They think that when person A has some kind of faith other than person B,
43 D L X : Some people. Definitely not all religious people. For me, I'm fairly religious, but I also allow for the possibility that I am wrong, and I allow for
44 ThegreatRDU : c'mon, alot of politicians play the good Christian....their politicians....money and power can corrupt you....
45 D L X : Completely agree. Many politicians in power today are image manipulators, and nothing else. I would suspect that most of the congressmen that trumpet
46 Comorin : 'I couldn't care less' is the correct logical expression of the thought. 'I could care less' is colloquial usage - street talk. Back to the main topi
47 OA412 : But you don't fear the 'potential boundless actions or decision making' of a god fearing person even though there is ample evidence to indicate that
48 BAKJet : Actually, there have been 4 Unitarian Presidents of the US; John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Millard Filmore and William Howard Taft. In addition, seve
49 DocLightning : Mine is mine alone. If everyone kept their spirituality to themselves, perhaps there would be more harmony in the world. At that point, it could have
50 Falcon84 : President Obama is alive. That's reason enough for conservatives to hate him.
51 OA412 : Amen Doc. Spirituality is a good thing for a lot of people but its when people start to use that spirituality to infringe upon the rights of others t
52 TheCol : It's nobody's business. Period. Even the most vocal republicans on this forum haven't beat their war drums over it. If that's the best you can come up
53 DXing : I'm a fiscal conservative but more of a social conservative as well. My shadow still does not darken the door of any church unless someone I know is
54 Baroque : Would you like to withdraw that statement? Or at least qualify it? I don't want to suggest deletion as that would disturb other useful posts and the
55 LTBEWR : I would dare say that a majority of Americans that may believe in a religious faith rarely or never go to weekly services. Many are lazy, some take ad
56 D L X : Dude, what is your problem? Why do you always think saying something is also bad about the Democrats is somehow a proper retort when someone says bad
57 ThegreatRDU : I mean honestly....how many Senators probably have call girls on the side? .....some hire male prostitutes themselves, how many claim their conservat
58 MadameConcorde : I don't hate Obama, I have no reason to hate him, although I think his Nobel Peace Prize was way out of place considering that he is not really doing
59 D L X : Can't agree with that. Why do you think he's not Catholic? Are you? Because I know lots of Catholics that agree with his ideology.
60 ThegreatRDU : Yes I am....born and raised...member of St. Raphaels Catholic Church in North Raleigh, NC since 1998 and that was when I first moved to Raleigh... I
61 Slider : I don't know what he is or what he believes, but his Muslim sympathies are quite clear and a matter of record. This is just more duplicity from the m
62 Post contains images AGM100 :
63 EA772LR : That's easy D L X. When one shares something as personal and important as faith in a particular religion, it's immediately easier to relate to that p
64 DXing : What's your problem with an obvious statement? Or do you really believe there are not segments of the democratic party that is as aggressively agnost
65 D L X : I do not believe that is what Kerry believes. That was easy... You don't think that race, gender, and location have much to do with the ability of a
66 Post contains images Scorpio :
67 DXing : Yeah, when the comparison fits it has to be deflected. The thread is not about John Kerry and whether or not he's really a Catholic yet somehow that
68 D L X : HAH! Um DXing, you realize that this is EXACTLY what you did, right? Deflect? The thread has been mostly about politicians and their political belief
69 LAXintl : In the same light, I'm sure some would say the world would be better place if more people made room for religion in their lives.
70 Boeing4ever : First, thanks for the spelling correction. Second, 1. Have you ever felt the need to attack someone simply because they are spiritual? 2. Do you go o
71 DXing : Uh no since it was in direct response to your complaint about my post. Maybe I missed which politician in particular you were refering too.
72 Seb146 : Yes. Some people. Thank you for that clarification. That is a very good way to sum it up! Thanks again!
73 D L X : That's because you quoted the wrong thing. You deflected when you brought up Democrats. You have a track record of doing this, which is why I made me
74 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : We'll just have to agree to disagree, because I don't think discriminating against someone because of their religion (or choice to not be religious a
75 D L X : Fly, I'll be honest. I'm a little blown away by that comment. I think for instance, if you didn't hire someone because you're a Catholic, and he's a
76 Baroque : However, there is the implication that atheists tend to take their belief system to extremes to a greater extent than those who espouse religions. Si
77 FlyDeltaJets87 : My apologies. I have made an edit in my post. You are correct in catching this and I should have worded that better to make what I was trying to say
78 Slider : Shall we cite his on-record comments about his "Muslim faith"?
79 D L X : No problem.
80 ThegreatRDU : Kerry does not condone gay marriage or abortions....
81 DXing : The quote is the first of the following that led to this...I can post them chronologically if you wish. You made a definitive statement about republi
82 D L X : And republicans are not democrats.
83 FlyDeltaJets87 : Anywho, continuing: That was just one example. Another example is in the area of science. Having grown up in the Bible-belt South, I'm well aware of h
84 BAKJet : That is very true and I knew that. I just forgot about it when writing my post. Sorry.
85 Scorpio : Oh for crying out loud, you're actually buying into the 'he's a Muslim' BS? Unbelievable. I thought you were smarter.
86 ThegreatRDU : Slider......what rock do you live under...
87 DocLightning : Huh? Quote, please? Here's the thing: we *do* discriminate on the basis of religion, and rightfully so. That is to say, I can fire someone if their r
88 Post contains links LAXintl : Sounds like a great EEOC claim. Just last week they settled a suit against Mesaba Airlines who terminated an employee because she would not work on t
89 Post contains links Slider : He clearly has Muslim roots, whether a regularly practicing Muslim or not. He’s an apologist for America, has stated we’re not a Christian nation
90 D L X : What you don't get is that it's just not worth anyone's times to play to your conspiracy theories.
91 San747 : It means the United States is not a Christian nation. Not too hard to understand. The day the US declares Christianity the official state religion, t
92 Boeing4ever : There is no such implication. The person I was talking to left himself widely open to those that would go apeshit over his statements. I would have u
93 FlyDeltaJets87 : I think Mesaba was correct in refusing to hire them. Airlines are 365 day a year operations. They don't stop for the Sabbath or holidays. By these em
94 ThegreatRDU : Is there an official religion of the United States of America? No he doesn't and even if he did so what? Are you not tolerant of people of different
95 FlyDeltaJets87 : To quote Nigel Powers from Austin Powers: Goldmember, "There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cult
96 Mir : Neither of those links proved any sort of "Muslim sympathies". Try again. -Mir
97 Jpetekyxmd80 : " target=_blank>http://www.danielpipes.org/5354/conf...islam "# "Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show th
98 LAXintl : Not according to the law, and Mesaba in its settlement acknowledged their error, and promised to cease and desist from such discriminatory practices.
99 TheCol : Sometimes the blind need to be reminded of the obvious. I know it's a difficult piece of information for you to swallow, but it's true none the less.
100 Scorpio : Wow. Just... wow. Love that youtube video. If you're using that as proof of him being a Muslim, it's a clear indicator you're really grasping at stra
101 Jpetekyxmd80 : Being 7 or 8 and living in Indonesia, you might step foot in a Mosque for some reason or have some interaction with something Muslim when your step-f
102 D L X : You forgot mixed nuts, cashew nuts, chestnuts, and Snoop's favorite, "deez" nuts. Just a little levity on a monday evening.
103 Comorin : And you forgot the biggest nuts of all - A.Nutters !
104 DocLightning : I cannot imagine that a law allows an employee to use their religion as a reason to not do their job. Of course, an employer should try to make reaso
105 LAXintl : Remember freedom of religion is one of our founding rights. More specifically Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discriminating agai
106 Cws818 : If only to you. And Jesus was Jewish. So what, exactly, is your point, if any?
107 OA412 : Keep in mind that freedom of religion as enumerated in the Constitution applies to freedom from government imposition of religion. It has nothing to
108 Post contains images JpetekYXMD80 : Probably means he has a problem with anyone without a Sunday school every week, in America childhood, not surprising. Get a life, or no, how about so
109 DocLightning : I know that in my residency program, we simply would not make religious exceptions for repeating days that people would not take call. To do so meant
110 LAXintl : You are free to disagree personally, but rules of the land is that business need to try to accommodate the religious practices of people otherwise th
111 Baroque : And macadamia nuts have been omitted. Now I realise that this was because you guys thought in not mentioning them you were making a slur against Hawa
112 DXing : Well finally you uttered something that doesn't have to be corrected. It does not change the fact that your statement in reply 17 can be equally appl
113 DocLightning : In Judaism it's done at home by a trained guy called a Mohel (pron. "moy-el"). And then there's a big party.
114 EA772LR : I didn't say that, and if it came across that way, that's not what I meant. What I meant was that is is blatantly obvious that there are many people
115 DocLightning : And the problem is that they are so wrong, because the fact that someone shares your religion has nothing to do with their personal value system. Mar
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