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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6573 posts, RR: 6
Posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2257 times:
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The embodiment of "family values" gets divorced...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...2009/12/29/karl-rove-wife-divorce/


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2252 times:

I hope someone plasters this on an election ad next time he works on a campaign. As much as I dislike McCain, what Rove and Bush did to him in 2000 was disgusting.


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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

Wait...someone married that guy?

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19408 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2220 times:

Ah hypocrisy. How do we love thee...

User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5232 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2213 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
I hope someone plasters this on an election ad next time he works on a campaign. As much as I dislike McCain, what Rove and Bush did to him in 2000 was disgusting.

Me too. What goes around comes around I say.

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 2):
Wait...someone married that guy?

Sad but true. They even procreated.  scared 



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8790 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2203 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
Ah hypocrisy. How do we love thee...

He's not Catholic, last I heard. Where is the hypocrisy?



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2146 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 5):
He's not Catholic, last I heard. Where is the hypocrisy?

There is none, we are just getting more of Doc's loathing for the party he hates.

This is non issue folks.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13039 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2135 times:

Maybe his wife wouldn't deal with his evil behaviors toward so many when he advised Bush and on Fox News. Maybe too it could be for reasons that millions of others get divorced. No big deal. It may be more honest than cheating on his wife with another woman or women.

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2129 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
I hope someone plasters this on an election ad next time he works on a campaign. As much as I dislike McCain, what Rove and Bush did to him in 2000 was disgusting.

I never knew how McCain kept from throwing up when next to Bush after the hatchet job he and Rove did on him in 2000.


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2104 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
As much as I dislike McCain, what Rove and Bush did to him in 2000 was disgusting.

Even from this distance it stank.

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 2):
Wait...someone married that guy?

Exactly my thought when I read the title. Anyone know whether one should be sympathetic to the other party or assume she is a similar case?


User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2087 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Thread starter):
The embodiment of "family values" gets divorced...

?? He is not a conservative Christian that I recall. Their one child is an adult. This is his second divorce. Where does the "embodiment" of family values come from?


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2083 times:



Quoting DXing (Reply 10):
?? He is not a conservative Christian that I recall. Their one child is an adult. This is his second divorce. Where does the "embodiment" of family values come from?

You missed all those campaigns he ran for Republicans under that mantra?

Must be nice having selective amnesia like that.


User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2067 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 11):
You missed all those campaigns he ran for Republicans under that mantra?

Must be nice having selective amnesia like that.

He was "hired" to do the job. That in no way implies he has the same beliefs. Look at Dick Morris, he was advisor to President Clinton. Do you think he is a liberal?


User currently offlineUAXDXer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 765 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2063 times:

Since when does getting divorced mean you don't have family values?

If you want hypocrisy then look no further than AlGore.

Too bad Rove wasn't around in 2008... perhaps we'd be digging out of the mess instead of digging deeper into it.



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User currently offlineD l x From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11210 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 22 hours ago) and read 2002 times:



Quoting DXing (Reply 12):
He was "hired" to do the job. That in no way implies he has the same beliefs.

DXing, how many liberals has he offered his services to?

This man was the architect of winning elections based on the "sanctity of marriage" and making sure the gheys were apprpriately oppressed. He is in fact the archtype of a hypocrit and your defense of him is beneath you.



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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 1977 times:



Quoting D l x (Reply 14):
DXing, how many liberals has he offered his services to?

Who knows? Do you? He operated his own political consulting business for several years. Who knows who bought his services. Besides that "sanctity of marriage" as it applies to gay marriage has nothing to do with divorce.


User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11533 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 1956 times:



Quoting Baroque (Reply 9):
Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 2):
Wait...someone married that guy?

Exactly my thought when I read the title.

I know, right? I actually thought he was gay.

Quoting DXing (Reply 10):
Their one child is an adult. This is his second divorce. Where does the "embodiment" of family values come from?



Quoting DXing (Reply 12):
He was "hired" to do the job. That in no way implies he has the same beliefs. Look at Dick Morris, he was advisor to President Clinton. Do you think he is a liberal?

Yet, when people work for Dems, they are automatically liberal, communist, socialist, marxist, nazi. Interesting.

Quoting DXing (Reply 15):
that "sanctity of marriage" as it applies to gay marriage has nothing to do with divorce.

If marriage is so sacred, why not outlaw divorce? But, that is a topic for another thread.

My opinion is: So what? I never had much respect for the guy's opinions or what he did. So, he is getting a divorce. It happens. Why is this even a topic?



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User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 1940 times:



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 16):
Yet, when people work for Dems, they are automatically liberal, communist, socialist, marxist, nazi. Interesting.

Ummm... broken record much?

Anyway, it's always funny to watch liberals voice their absolute anger and an animosity towards a political opponent who happens to be going through an ordeal. It's almost like they are thrilled that a person, who they've never met, is going through shit. I've found in my own travels that the bigger the liberal the more angry, vengeful, and unhappy.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8790 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 18 hours ago) and read 1928 times:



Quoting JCS17 (Reply 17):

Anyway, it's always funny to watch liberals voice their absolute anger and an animosity towards a political opponent who happens to be going through an ordeal.

It's based on the hatred of people having standards. For example, to the mind of a liberal , it is impossible for anyone to be a Christian, because we all occasionally fall short of the standards Christianity demands (the 10 Commandments, for instance).

Their way of dealing with that is the rejection of standards - ranging from the concept of a meritocracy, school grades, morality, and so forth, and the ridiculing and hatred of people who seek to have standards.



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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 18 hours ago) and read 1923 times:



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 16):
Yet, when people work for Dems, they are automatically liberal, communist, socialist, marxist, nazi. Interesting.

Nope, they are hired guns. The people that hire them are liberals, etc., hired guns will be whatever you need them to be.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 16):
Why is this even a topic?

Hell has refrozen over.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11210 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 1896 times:



Quoting DXing (Reply 15):
Quoting D l x (Reply 14):
DXing, how many liberals has he offered his services to?

Who knows? Do you?

Yes. Zero. You knew that as well, but you tried to play coy.

Quoting DXing (Reply 15):
Besides that "sanctity of marriage" as it applies to gay marriage has nothing to do with divorce.

Right, do you know why?
Because Karl Rove is a hypocrite!!

Any time you say it applies to you but not to me, you are a hypocrite. THat is the definition of hypocrite. I really don't know why you're defending him. Oh wait, yeah I do. Because he is a Republican.



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5232 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

Do some of you actually believe the things that you write?

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 17):
Anyway, it's always funny to watch liberals voice their absolute anger and an animosity towards a political opponent who happens to be going through an ordeal. It's almost like they are thrilled that a person, who they've never met, is going through shit. I've found in my own travels that the bigger the liberal the more angry, vengeful, and unhappy.

This is absolutely rich considering the fact that Karl Rove is known for his mudslinging and dirty campaign tactics. The reason some of us may chuckle when we hear things like this is because they confirms the absolute hypocrisy of the ultra right wing of the Republican party. When you fashion yourself as a 'family values', 'pro marriage', 'anti-gay' or whatever your favorite flavor conservative, your opponents WILL call you out when you do exactly that thing that you've chastised others for doing. Maybe if they just focused on their own issues rather than trying to dictate how we should all live, people wouldn't be so quick to judge them when they suffer their inevitable fall.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 18):
It's based on the hatred of people having standards. For example, to the mind of a liberal , it is impossible for anyone to be a Christian, because we all occasionally fall short of the standards Christianity demands (the 10 Commandments, for instance).

Their way of dealing with that is the rejection of standards - ranging from the concept of a meritocracy, school grades, morality, and so forth, and the ridiculing and hatred of people who seek to have standards.

Yet another example that conservatives have no clue as to what liberals actually embody but I suppose it all makes for good talking points. I know plenty of real Christians who practice their faith and strive everyday to be a better person. I also know a lot of Christian hypocrites who use their faith as a bully pulpit to preach hatred toward others. The notion that liberals believe that it is impossible for anyone to be a true Christian is laughable at best as is the idea that we reject the notion of standards. I have my own standards as do most people and I respect others for that. What I don't respect is those who try and impose their standards upon me as though their standards are somehow superior to my own.

Oh and to all the conservatives on here who are up in arms at the fact that liberals are reveling in another persons misfortune and downfall, I have two words for you: Bill Clinton.



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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 1889 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 20):
Yes. Zero. You knew that as well, but you tried to play coy.

 sigh  It's like shooting fish in a barrel.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Rove

In 1981, Rove founded a direct mail consulting firm, Karl Rove & Co., in Austin. The firm's first clients included Texas Governor Bill Clements and Democratic congressman Phil Gramm, who later became a Republican congressman and United States Senator.

Are you taking lessons from Seb146 on how to not look before you leap? Of course somehow this will be derided as some sort of "deflection" so you can avoid having to admit your mistake. Don't worry, I'm used to it now.

Quoting D L X (Reply 20):
Any time you say it applies to you but not to me, you are a hypocrite.

 sigh  How do the two have anything to do with each other meaning gays and divorce for him to be accused of being a hypocrite about? Has he ever been quoted as saying that divorce is wrong? Let's look before we leap this time shall we?


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5232 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 1887 times:

Quoting DXing (Reply 22):
n 1981, Rove founded a direct mail consulting firm, Karl Rove & Co., in Austin. The firm's first clients included Texas Governor Bill Clements and Democratic congressman Phil Gramm, who later became a Republican congressman and United States Senator.

You're seriously going to argue that Phil Gramm is/was a liberal? Democrat does not automatically equal liberal but then I'm sure you already knew that.

[Edited 2009-12-30 12:35:32]


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 1881 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):

I never knew how McCain kept from throwing up when next to Bush after the hatchet job he and Rove did on him in 2000.

I don't either.

Quoting DXing (Reply 22):
Democratic congressman Phil Gramm, who later became a Republican congressman and United States Senator.

You lent credence to his argument with that one. The only kind of "liberal" Gramm ever has been is in his attitude toward banks, which is a major reason for the mess we are in now.



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25 DXing : Not really. The early Gramm was liberal, as liberal as Texans would allow, and when the political wind shifted he changed sides. Reminds me of a cert
26 D L X : LOL!!! Do you know who Phil Gramm is? It's hardly a mistake. I mean, it says right there near the beginning in the very source you cited, "Rove was a
27 N1120A : Not correct on either account.
28 StasisLAX : Karl Rove's second marriage in divorce court? It couldn't have happenned to a nicer neo-con
29 DocLightning : Unless I'm mistaken, he's made a lot of statements on "family values."
30 DXing : Yes. He was a democrat turned republican. He served as a Represenative as a democrat and when the tide turned changed to republican to get a Senate s
31 Post contains links Johnboy : I get a kick out of this vid. Then again, maybe it's just another amazing example of unbridled hate from the tolerant left. http://www.youtube.com/wat
32 Seb146 : Just pointing out reality. Ever listen to right-wing talk radio or watch FOX news? Tell me, when, exactly, did I ever "thrill" that Rove is getting a
33 San747 : You misinterpreted what he said. He meant that in your words, the "sanctity of marriage" is an argument that can be used against gay marriage, but no
34 DXing : I understood it completely. Since I am against gay marriage it follows that there would be no gay divorce. Not when you don't believe that gays have
35 Seb146 : So the vow (in front of a man of God, no less) that goes "Till death do us part" means nothing? So, you are saying, as long as there are no children
36 DocLightning : Well, if you are a member of a party that has family values and opposition to gay marriage on the grounds of the "sanctity of marriage" as a large pl
37 Revelation : Oh, lovely. Et tu, Brute? You mean the one that Rove and his fellow neo-cons got us into?
38 DXing : Even the Catholic church, as restrictive as it is, allows for an annullment of a marriage under certain circumstances that allows a Catholic, once ma
39 Zentraedi : Quite disingenuous as the issues you present are actually fairly modern, socially acceptable grounds for divorce. A true conservative would support a
40 Aaron747 : I don't think conservative is quite the word for it in contemporary context - someone who supports actual individual rights and freedom is libertaria
41 D L X : Yes. An argument that you are having an extremely difficult time making. No, I think you whiffed on it. You are in fact being the definition of a hyp
42 DXing : Beat me to that one. As stated sanctity of marriage encompasses much more than divorce. On at least one level gays even with the scientific advances
43 OA412 : Of course it is. Who in their right mind would want to be married to Karl Rove let alone sleep with him?
44 D L X : Why don't you explain why the second half of your sentence somehow says that sanctity of marriage doesn't apply to gay marriage when the first half d
45 DXing :
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