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TMZ: Leno Back At 11:30, Conan.. ..bye-bye?  
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6380 posts, RR: 17
Posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

http://www.tmz.com/

Unconfirmed by NBC. Supposedly to happen after the olymoic hatus.


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5231 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

What a farce this has all become. IMHO, NBC was stupid to put Leno in prime time to begin with. Given that NBC is more or less a sinking ship at this point, Conan is probably better in throwing in the towel and looking for something elsewhere.


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Unreal, NBC is really falling down the crapper. Yea Conan is too big a talent. He should tell them to go to hell and go elsewhere.

User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
Unreal, NBC is really falling down the crapper. Yea Conan is too big a talent. He should tell them to go to hell and go elsewhere.

Their prime time really is, with the exception of Law & Order, which I don't watch regularly but have enjoyed the few times I have sat down to watch an episode.

I'll be happy if Leno goes back to 11:30 as it's easier for me to watch him then and I much prefer Leno to Conan. I just haven't found Conan to be that funny. Besides Leno, the only thing I watch on NBC is Sunday Night Football and occasionally the NBC Nightly News.


User currently offlineVarigb707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
olymoic hatus

 Confused


User currently offlineC172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 998 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Olympic Haitus for the Winter games in Vancouver.

User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6380 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Sorry, olympic hiatus


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Jay Leno is can't tell jokes. At least Conan can make me laugh.


The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5475 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Leno's show might have made it in prime time if it was limited to say one night a week. Oh well.
How long do you think he'll stay after his return to his 11:30 PM slot? Can he regain his 11:30 success? Many times after a failure such as the prime time show it's difficult for even someone as famous as Leno to return to his glory. Though it's baseball, this reminds me of back in 1985 and 1986 when the great spunky take no shit manager Earl Weaver came out of retirement to return to managing the Baltimore Orioles. Unlike his long tenure of success from 1968 to 1982, this return was short lived and a failure. Earl left baseball after that at least as a manager.

Conan isn't bad but some of his schticks are old and wear thin. Like that effeminate "In the year 2000 crap." And sometimes when he and Max Weinberg try impromptu chatting it falls flatter than the Everglades. I remember several years ago when they did his show in Chicago, Conan starting chatting it up with Max about local Chicago issues, actually sounding patronizing and trying to come across as Chicagoeans. Instead they came across as borish know it alls. At least Cliff Claven did it with style and humor on Cheers.

Jimmy Fallons's show is actually quite good. Jimmy actually gives his guests time, especially the hottie females that tend to be in short supply on the other shows. On Conan, they also get into time wasting crap with that obnoxious creep thats planted in the audience. This wastes valuable time and then the second guest gets screwed and especially when it's a hot chick or funny comic that could upstage Conan.

And last, we have Carson "I'm to hip for my own good" Daily who seems to change the format of his half hour gab fest every year or so. I remember that stretch with that creepy animated theme song that seemed like a bad endeavor from the 1950's. Now, Carson acts like this hipster as he does his shit on the road. Sometimes he clicks, sometimes he doesn't.

NBC is a ruffled peacock these days. The only decent show is L & O SVU and the original L & O. They are out of touch, and out of step with most of America. And, I'm still pissed at them for shitcanning "My Name Is Earl" for that abortion "Parks and Recreation." And, Thursday nights achored around the Office? Give me a break.

NBC is stuck in that Metrosexual too hip for their own good rut. And they butcher the Olympics with all those smarmy fluff peaces and their over reliance on loud 80's guitar riffs.
NBC will probably try for a government bailout.  vomit 



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Conan's very funny especially to people in my age group (20s.) I think the biggest mistake NBC made was actually putting Conan in the tonight show time slot. The 'late shows' are clearly dominated by older viewers who can't relate as well to Conan and his humor that caters particularly to younger viewers. Point being that NBC has lost millions of viewers to Dave Letterman since O'Brien picked up the show which apparently never happened to NBC when Leno was the host. And you have to ask yourself what age demographic is actively watching Letterman on a thursday night?  old 

Truth be told that younger viewers aren't watching as much late night television on a weekday as long as the bars are open and 'Adult Swim' exists  yes 



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User currently offlineBoeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):

!00% agree... Also NBC gave him $10.5 million/yr. They are not moving him anywhere.

Leno is crap IMO... His new show is garbage.



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User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5475 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 9):
Conan's very funny especially to people in my age group (20s.)

Thats quite interesting. I'm 53 years young and am quite surprised. I'm an avid fan of Howard Stern, the late Bernie Mac and Artie Lange. I also crave and chase after young tail. Check out my replies and posts regarding hitting it (the straight version) not that ther's anything wrong with the other team. Conan's schtick to me relies less on content and more on schtick that was the thrust of 1968's Rowan and Martin's Laugh In. I've checked out You Tube tidbits from Laugh In and wonder how and why we even laughed at such stuff. It's really dated. Conan when left on his own has halfway decent monologues. He has talent and probably would do quite well
on cable where there is little or no censhorship. Letterman is hysterical when he's Dirty Dave on Howard Stern.
If I were programming late night at NBC, and Leno was back at 11:30, I'd go with Conan, Jimmy and then Carson D. Anything is better than the perfect cure for insomnia which is NBC's poker after dark.

And, if what you say is true, than it seems 20 somethings go for that schtick stuff that was all the rage when Laugh In was in it's prime...site gags, and repetitive schtick. One man's meat is another man's creamed corn.



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 11):
And, if what you say is true, than it seems 20 somethings go for that schtick stuff that was all the rage when Laugh In was in it's prime...site gags, and repetitive schtick. One man's meat is another man's creamed corn.

Well it all depends on what your type of humor is. I find Howard Stern hilarious but there are plenty of people in my age group who hate offensive humor and are into "schticks" so to speak. I think the worst type of humor going around these days is this dry "nerd humor" which is really just the complete opposite and is somehow drawing in younger viewers by the masses.

Conan would be better for cable, IMHO if he wasn't so heavily tied down to NBC.



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User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5475 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 12):
dry "nerd humor"

When I think of "Nerd Humor," I think of Adam Sandler or a good deal of British Humor.

If Conan could retire that In the Year 2000 bit, and that awful nerdy guy that hangs out in the audience and manages to waste time then his show would be OK. And, doesn't NBC own several cable networks? Bravo and some of the Metrosexual networks come to mind.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26357 posts, RR: 76
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting OA412 (Reply 1):
Conan is probably better in throwing in the towel and looking for something elsewhere.

He shouldn't be the one to throw in the towel. He has a big contract with NBC and should make sure they make good on it before going anywhere.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 1):
IMHO, NBC was stupid to put Leno in prime time to begin with. Given that NBC is more or less a sinking ship at this point

It isn't just YHO, it is the HO of lots of TV people and advertisers. NBC did Leno in primetime to save money. It ended up costing a lot more in lost goodwill and revenue.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
Yea Conan is too big a talent. He should tell them to go to hell and go elsewhere.

1) Conan has a massive contract from NBC. Also, he spent lots of money moving from New York to Los Angeles, which they are going to have to make him whole on.

2) Conan has a limited audience. That audience worked for him at 1230, but he wasn't able to adapt to the 1130 game.

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 9):
And you have to ask yourself what age demographic is actively watching Letterman on a thursday night?

The interesting thing is that Letterman's core fan base was always thought to be younger viewers.



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13029 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

A couple of issues with this rumor:

1) What NBC would fill in the 10 PM-11 PM (Eastern) time slot with? Do they have anything that would get better ratings ready now, or just use more L&O reruns or other rejected programs until next fall?

2) Leno at 10 PM may be a lot cheaper than the costs of a 1 hour drama or news program like Dateline.

3) Would they have to buy out O'Brian, how much and so on. That could be in the many millions.

Look, the 10 PM Jay Leno Show has been a bust. The affiliates are ticked off as it is hurting follow on viewers for their local news programs at 11 PM and thus ad income vs. the other network affiliates in their markets. It will be interesting to see how this is worked out. Perhaps Leno a few nights a week (2-3) for a while and 2-3 nights of usual dramas. Perhaps they could raid the USA Network or other parts of the NBC empire of channels for replacement and long-term programs. If they go to dramas, set it up so they say no to big bucks stars or them expecting huge raises after a few years. Perhaps go to 1 season or 13 week cycle shows as done on cable nets.


User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Guess I'm the only one who prefers Leno's new show to his stint on The Tonight Show and although I find Conan funny, I can't stand to watch his show.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26357 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 15):

1) What NBC would fill in the 10 PM-11 PM (Eastern) time slot with? Do they have anything that would get better ratings ready now, or just use more L&O reruns or other rejected programs until next fall?

It is mid-season replacement time. They could shift the L&O shows to 10 PM, which would deal with a few days a week, and push back other 1 hour shows from 9 to 10 and fill in with comedies.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 15):

2) Leno at 10 PM may be a lot cheaper than the costs of a 1 hour drama or news program like Dateline.

It is cheaper. It also brings in much less revenue and has been very poorly received.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 15):

3) Would they have to buy out O'Brian, how much and so on. That could be in the many millions.

They would either have to buy him out or put him on something else. Either way, an expensive move.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15714 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 16):
find Conan funny, I can't stand to watch his show.

I don't really find him that funny either. He just kinda runs around and acts odd. Craig Ferguson is the best late night comedian and the only other that comes close is Jimmy Kimmel.



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User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5475 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 15):
Look, the 10 PM Jay Leno Show has been a bust. The affiliates are ticked off as it is hurting follow on viewers for their local news programs at 11 PM and thus ad income vs. the other network affiliates in their markets. It will be interesting to see how this is worked out. Perhaps Leno a few nights a week (2-3) for a while and 2-3 nights of usual dramas. Perhaps they could raid the USA Network or other parts of the NBC empire of channels for replacement and long-term programs. If they go to dramas, set it up so they say no to big bucks stars or them expecting huge raises after a few years. Perhaps go to 1 season or 13 week cycle shows as done on cable nets.

Good ideas.

Chance are NBC would screw up and fill the 2200 to 2300 slot with the following:

More Deal or No Deal
Back to back episodes of The Office and Parks and Recreation with their usuall in your face advertising proclaiming these lamo shows as the second coming.

More Biggest Loser

The Singing Bee

Knightrider episodes

For the heck of it, here are some ideas for that 10:00 PM slot.
some programs are from my wharped twisted mind.

1. Kaitlin"s Capers:
A girl next door type hottie who is a former cheerleader, beauty qaueen lands a job in New
York, or La La Land in what else the media or publishing industries. Makes good money but lives in a tatty ratty trendy apartment with one of those I Love Lucy refrigerators, has a flaming Queer as Folk BFF male bud who can pass for a chick and actually is a chick with a dick who also works in her oh so happy media place. A bi-lingual cat who can talk English and Spanish (Siamese kitty), A Chinese Crested doggy who can rap and do hip hop voiced by Flava Fave. A wealthy stuck up metrosexual boyfriend who really is in love with her flaming BFF he she it girl wannabe, Obnoxious Conneticutt WASPY Politically Correct Wealthy Range Rover driving Republicans. A hottie sister who is an NFL cheerleader who likes boffing NBA, MLB and NFL players who are abusive bad boys on roids. And secretly, our cutie girl Kaitlin is a serial killer who can out serial kill Dexter all the while she is secretly kanoodeling with a radical feminist who happens to be a high priced call girl and exotic dancer who is BFF's with Kaitlin's slutty hottie cheerleader sister. Oh, and the girlfriend of Kaitlin likes doing the gore galore parts of the serial killing with her lover
Kaitlin. Kaitlin could be played by April Bowlby

I can't spell VW but I drive a Porsche

Mondays at 10:00 PM on NBC

"Gay Date:" Imagine taking 13 diverse gay fellows and sticking them in a hovel in say
Camden, NJ and they have to find love and redecorate this hovel into a showplace. Each week one is eliminated. The winner gets his own awful reality show on NBC, a fancy same sex wedding in hollywood, and a sex change operation plus 666 thousand dollars.

Tuesdays at 10:00 on NBC


Wednesday 10:00 PM--- Deal or No Deal

Thursday 10:00 PM. ---Marathons of The Office and Parks and Recreation

Friday 10:00PM. ---Three Rivers moves from CBS to NBC

Saturday 10:00 PM---The Singing Bee

Sunday 10:00 PM ---The Hip Hop Singing Bee


Of course Dateline: To Catch a Predator will have sporadic specials at random times at 10:00 PM.



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:

Update: NBC Plan Would Move Leno Back to Late Nights

Quote:
Pressed by affiliates and shrinking ratings, NBC has a plan in the works to radically alter its late-night television lineup, restoring Jay Leno to his old spot at 11:35 each weeknight, while pushing the man who replaced him, Conan O’Brien, to a starting time of 12:05 a.m.

This puts Conan head to head with Jimmy Kimmel. As for Jimmy Fallon:

Quote:
The third NBC late-night star, Jimmy Fallon, would then begin his show at 1:05 a.m., the executives said. The revised lineup would go into effect after NBC concludes its coverage of the Winter Olympics on February 28. NBC will pre-empt both its prime-time and late-night lineup for more than two weeks to cover the Olympics, creating a natural break in which to implement the late-night changes.

Could this mean the end of "Last Call", or do they shift it to 2:05 AM? Some affiliates do replay their 11 PM newscast at this time, and if Leno is doing a half-hour show, do they even need Carson Daly?





Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 11):
Letterman is hysterical when he's Dirty Dave on Howard Stern.

That's not really David Letterman, it's a guy by the name of Dave Van Dam.


User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5475 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 20):
Could this mean the end of "Last Call", or do they shift it to 2:05 AM? Some affiliates do replay their 11 PM newscast at this time, and if Leno is doing a half-hour show, do they even need Carson Daly?

Nah: Something tells me his show is on the cheap. As i said earlier anything to delay Poker after Dark has got to be better than nothing. And, they could roll out "I'm too damn hip for myself Carson" on Friday nights late. And NBC might as well bring back Pink Lady.

And another idea for a show that would be cheap to produce and promote:

Baltimore City Traffic Court
Live un-edited traffic court trials.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15714 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 19):
Back to back episodes of The Office

I could deal with that. Or even better, bring back Studio 60.  stirthepot 



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User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5475 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 22):
I could deal with that. Or even better, bring back Studio 60.

By all means enjoy them. Not my cup of tea either of them. I say bring back My Name Is Earl! Or a spinoff Catalina & Joy

Done in the potato people style of Earl but to appeal to NBC's diverse audience










Catalina and Joy catfight so much they end up "canoodeling" and become a feisty hot lesbian couple. Meanwhile Darnell and Randy get their Gay freak on as a couple. Remember, this is NBC.

and Earl converts becomes a Rabbi.  rotfl 



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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1551 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 9):
Conan's very funny especially to people in my age group (20s.)

I'm 24, and I find Conan anything but funny. Actually, I find it funny when the audience laughs at his "jokes," but they are just obeying the "Laugh" or "Applause" signs.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 15):
1) What NBC would fill in the 10 PM-11 PM (Eastern) time slot with? Do they have anything that would get better ratings ready now, or just use more L&O reruns or other rejected programs until next fall?

The only thing they can do until fall is either air reruns of other shows, or do more newsmagazine type shows.

Marc


25 N202PA : I think the whole thing is ridiculous. Jay Leno is one of the unfunniest men on television, and his milquetoast, safe brand of "comedy" is boring, tri
26 Silver1SWA : Have you ever been to one of his tapings? How do you know that? I have been to two tapings and that audience was full of young fans like myself who f
27 CaliAtenza : Seriously? im 24 and i find Leno to be a hoot...Conan is just really blah to me...i cant get on board with his kind of humor.
28 Tommy767 : Wow I'm honestly surprised by this. I guess Conan doesn't please everyone in my age group after all.
29 RayChuang : This debacle may have just cost Jeff Zucker his career at NBC Universal. The big problem for NBC is that unlike CBS, which has a STRONG lineup of scri
30 N1120A : Might as well shift it. Less infomercial time to sell. Network content always makes the station more money. Nah. That is what mid-season replacements
31 OA412 : I don't either. If one of us were making the sorts of mistakes that he has made and costing our company the sort of money that he has cost NBC, we'd
32 Zippyjet : In a society where common sense and decency are the rules yes In this crazy society where political correctness trumps efficiency and lawyers are beh
33 CaliAtenza : i think i can count on the fingers the amount of Conan jokes ive laughed at..on the other hand Leno is pretty hillarious most of the time. Come on ma
34 RayChuang : When the NBC affiliates are grumbling, that's the sign that Zucker will be out at NBC Universal soon.
35 FlyDeltaJets87 : The other problem I've heard is that the local news stations are reporting lower ratings for their 11:00 News reports. People who used to watch the 1
36 N1120A : The problem with Leno in prime time is that he doesn't pull enough numbers. 11:00 newscasts are heavily tied to their lead in programs getting big nu
37 Tommy767 : I do think Leno is pretty funny as well. Conan is just 'hip' i guess. It's interesting how NBC clearly wanted Conan to be the next Leno but instead i
38 LTBEWR : Latest rumour: O'Brian goes to FOX. Interesting for leverage, but with the past track record of FOX to try to have late night shows I don't think it w
39 Canoecarrier : Buying out Conan's contract would cost NBC $40 million dollars. He should hold out and make them buyout his contract. I personally can't stand Leno.
40 Acey : Decent is subjective, but Biggest Loser still does alright for them in the 18-49 demographic regardless. NBC's only hope right now to get anything ou
41 Revelation : That's pretty interesting. I don't watch the news, but people I know who do usually have a strong preference for one station over the others, some ti
42 Acey : What NBC show is going to do better for the news lead-in at 10 anyway except L/O and Biggest Loser? In the past couple years there have been shows wit
43 Post contains links AzoresLover : Here is the story...finally announced after all the speculation... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100110/ap_on_en_tv/us_nbc_leno
44 2707200X : I think many of you are right on Leno's low ratings as his 10:00 show has to compete with other prime time shows that attract Leno's viewing demograph
45 2707200X : MSNBC via the New York Times announces that Conan O'Brien won't do the Tonight Show if it airs at 12:05AM.
46 CaliAtenza : Then i have a feeling he may jump to FOX.
47 Post contains links Vikkyvik : Didn't see this posted yet: http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews.c...statement-turning-down-nbcs-offer/
48 N1120A : His statement is interesting, and positions him very well. I am willing to bet that his contract has a clause stating that he is supposed to host the
49 OA412 : Thanks for posting. IMHO, Conan comes off with a great degree of class. I find it unfortunate that NBC is now trying to make Conan pay for its mistak
50 Us330 : I find it interesting that they are rewarding the person most responsible for their current ratings debacle (Leno) and punishing a bystander (O'Brien)
51 NIKV69 : I think Conan is absolutely right here. He was given a show and should have been given time to get the ratings up. NBC is in a huge pickle right now a
52 Zippyjet : The whole thing is tragically laughable. NBC of today reminds me of our wo-be-gone Baltimore Orioles who used to have Oriole's magic now Orioles Tragi
53 LTBEWR : The drama continues over the Leno show disaster. Let's face it, the NBC affliates, owned by local compaies and families in their respective home citie
54 Zippyjet : Lots of luck! NBC is still pulling in the bucks from their high end East and West coast cosmopolitan yuppie elite audience. Their Thursday night line
55 Alias1024 : Drop Leno. That's how you fix it. You are right that Conan should have been given more time. It took Leno a couple of years to build the Tonight Show
56 OA412 : Anyone else watching The Tonight Show? Conan's opening remarks were scathing to say the least. Hilarious to be sure, but a resounding slap to NBC.
57 Silver1SWA : I watched last night. Same thing. I will be watching tonight (hasn't aired on the west coast yet).
58 Acey : I don't get the uproar over Conan today. Tonight Show doesn't matter. The 10 pm slot Monday through Friday does.
59 Tommy767 : Conan should really move to FOX. I think its a perfect fit considering its been YEARS since they have had a late night show. NBC jacking him around is
60 Post contains images Zippyjet : You actually are kind to NBC: The Office is dribble dreck Parks and Recreation is as funny as those PBS shows with British accents. 30 Rock is dreck.
61 Post contains images Alias1024 :
62 N1120A : Turns out Conan, unlike Letterman and Leno before, does not have an 11:35 p.m. time slot guarantee. That said, he is guaranteed the "Tonight Show." If
63 MAH4546 : This might turn out to be this decades New Coke...
64 Airport : The funny...or sad...thing is that considering the history of major brand renovations, this really isn't all that out of the question. In fact, I pre
65 Post contains links Canoecarrier : Why? ABC caters to a completely different audience at that time slot with Nightline. Nightline's ratings are quite good compared to the other late ni
66 Post contains links OA412 : OK the source is People so you'll probably want to take it with a grain of salt but it is now being reported that Conan will be taping his final episo
67 LTU932 : I never bothered with Conan's Tonight Show, and I was not really a fan of his previous show (the humour in Late Night was just too silly for me), but
68 Post contains images Zippyjet : Take the money and run. I could imagine Conan as a College professor in comedy and theatrical arts. He could do the Ivy League thing with 45 million
69 EA CO AS : Not so fast. Apparently, that's what the payout is if he's not given a show called "The Tonight Show." And NBC has the right to move said show to any
70 LTBEWR : One problem with if O'Brian goes to another network (particularly Fox), is that NBC would screw him as to guests like they did with Arsinio Hall when
71 Cadet985 : People need to remember that Jay Leno is just a hired hand at NBC. He pretty much does what NBC wants, although his wishes carry weight. Hence the re
72 N1120A : O'Brien would have a big time restraint of trade argument. Conan would have a huge argument that it isn't "The Tonight Show" as contracted for, that
73 EA CO AS : Not if they continued to pay him as defined in his contract and simply benched him. The old Japanese "Window Seat" trick.... Apparently Conan's peopl
74 N1120A : In the entertainment business, exposure is the determining factor in someone's ability to earn. If he lost that, Conan would suffer irreparable harm.
75 LTBEWR : From all reports, major negotitaions are underway so we should know by Monday what deal will be made. It appears that Conan is gone, will be given a p
76 NIKV69 : Actually I think Conan is actually going to benefit from this in the long run. Good job NBC.
77 FriendlySkies : Does NBC actually think people will watch Leno if he's back on the Tonight Show? After this whole deal, comedic abilities aside, Leno comes out lookin
78 Revelation : But if you read his statement, his position is that he could have done this years ago for far more money but he chose to stay with NBC because he wan
79 OA412 : In my lifetime, the Tonight Show has never not aired at 11:35. To me the Tonight Show is synonymous with that time slot. Sure I'm just one person but
80 N1120A : Leno already looks like a corporate sleazeball. Jack Parr
81 OA412 : Amen to that. I've lost all respect for the guy.
82 LTU932 : Like I said, this could be the NBC fiasco with David Letterman all over again.
83 OA412 : Yes and the funny thing is that Leno specifically said he was happy that the Tonight Show was being handed over to Conan because he wanted to avoid t
84 LTU932 : And you know what's ironic? That he nevertheless still got involved in this fiasco.
85 OA412 : Exactly. This whole thing isn't exactly painting Leno in the best light.
86 EA CO AS : Irrelevant. When industry standards are to specifically add timeslot language to a contract, that means a timeslot isn't implied. Besides, it HAD air
87 OA412 : I'm aware of the fact that it once ran at 11:30. However, as far back as I can remember, it has always run after the 10 o'clock news. I'm sure that C
88 EA CO AS : Again, you're overlooking the timeslot provisions of all other shows. As there is no timeslot provision in his contract, no timeslot is implied.
89 MAH4546 : If things were that easy we wouldn't have lawyers. A very strong argument can indeed be created that a timeslot is implied by the show's title and en
90 EA CO AS : And going by that (incredibly weak, IMHO) argument, one would have to wonder why Mr. O'Brien didn't have issue with hosting a show called "Late Night
91 Post contains links Silver1SWA : Here is an interesting read on Leno's side of the story. http://tv.yahoo.com/news/article/tv-...p.org-20100119-us_tv_leno_o_brien; The whole situation
92 RFields5421 : I found Conan's comment last (Monday) night about "They told me I could have any guest I wanted this week" interesting. Seems to me that that rumors o
93 EA CO AS : Nah, it shows Kimmel has no class. What, you ACTUALLY think Leno is the one calling the shots here? He's just a "company guy" doing what NBC is telli
94 Silver1SWA : Well yes, after reading Leno's side of the story I linked to, it would appear that way. But then again, Leno could just be back-pedaling to save his
95 EA CO AS : When you're number 1 by a wide margin, you're always unpopular with the competition. With a screen name like "Silver1SWA" I'd have assumed you knew t
96 Silver1SWA : LOL...yeah...I've got nothin... You win.
97 FighterPilot : Watched Conan last night, he had some pretty funny skits bashing NBC. Anyone else see these? Cal
98 Post contains links Silver1SWA : I haven't missed his show since this all broke out. Yes, very funny stuff. He just doesn't give a F... He's going out with a bang, giving NBC the sla
99 LTU932 : This friday is his final Tonight Show? I may even watch it, just hoping that he'll bash NBC.
100 EA CO AS : Not sure Conan will get another late-night gig, though. Per the article, ABC has already passed on him, CBS obviously has Letterman, and Fox "expresse
101 Silver1SWA : Well they did say in a statement last week that they were not in a position to offer Conan anything until his ties to NBC are officially cut. The dea
102 RFields5421 : NBC's biggest and most obvious mistake was not talking to Conan before the news got leaked. You know the definition of "assumed" right? Makes an ass
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