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Togolese Football Team Suffers Terrorist Attack  
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1969 times:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8449319.stm

Gunmen have fired on a bus carrying Togo's football team to the Africa Cup of Nations in Angola, wounding players and reportedly killing the driver.

The attackers machine-gunned the vehicle after it crossed from the Republic of Congo into Angola's oil-rich territory of Cabinda.

Rebels who have been fighting for the region's independence later said they had carried out the attack.

The organisers of the tournament, which starts on Sunday, say it will go ahead.

The Angolan government called the incident an "act of terrorism".


For me, this was also a terrorist attack, because those so-called "independence fighters" have attacked innocent people, a group of people who came to Cabinda with only one thing in mind: play football and participate in the Africa Cup of Nations. If it's true that the Togolese national team decides to pull out because of insufficient security measures by the Angolan authorities, I'd personally understand it, though football, or any sports should never yield to violence. That being said, perhaps it would be best to postpone the Africa Cup of Nations until the security problem is resolved, or until they move it to a more safe country or even to neutral soil (that is, outside of Africa), but it seems that neither the CAF (the African Football Confederation) nor FIFA want to do anything about it. In any case, even though this is unrelated, this incident could even re-start those questions about security in South Africa for the World Cup this year.

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User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1966 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Thread starter):
In any case, even though this is unrelated, this incident could even re-start those questions about security in South Africa for the World Cup this year.

I'm pretty sure their security is fine. South Africa is one of the safest most modern countries in Africa, I think they've mostly overcome those apartheid problems of 20 years ago.



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User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2796 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1965 times:



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 1):
South Africa is one of the safest most modern countries in Africa

That's not saying much. And while some areas of South Africa are very safe, those areas are mainly for tourists - with the world cup, and unprecedented number of people will go to South Africa, and they won't just be cramped in those tiny areas. I'm sure they'll be spread out throughout the country as the stadiums are.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1957 times:

I saw in the news on ESPN Deportes that apparently, the security measures for the draw in Cape Town were very lax. It wasn't really that tight as far as security is concerned, and let's not forget some time ago, I believe it was during the draw for the World Cup qualifiers for the Euro zone in Durban, Peter Burgstaller, who was in Durban representing Austria, was murdered in a golf course. While this murder did not occur during any official function of the World Cup, it did raise those security questions once again.

User currently offlineFlyingColours From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2315 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1899 times:

A bit shocking but not really surprising that it has happened.

Quoting LTU932 (Thread starter):
but it seems that neither the CAF (the African Football Confederation) nor FIFA want to do anything about it.

Well FIFA only do things when it suits themselves, just like the FIA it needs replacing with a much better organisation.

I do hope that its called off, that way we can have our other star striker back in time to kick united out of the cup  Smile

Phil
FlyingColours



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1885 times:



Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 4):
I do hope that its called off, that way we can have our other star striker back in time to kick united out of the cup

I thought Manchester United was ALREADY out of the FA Cup thanks to Leeds United? Or do you mean the Carling Cup?


User currently offlineFlyingColours From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2315 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1870 times:

I mean the Carling Cup, though I fell off my chair laughing at the Leeds result.

There had been issues raised by several sources regarding the African Cup of Nations being played this year, the main one being that it is a world cup year. It is normally played on a separate year to the world cup.

Phil
FlyingColours



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User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1105 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1865 times:

This is really too bad and a huge blow for Angola who has spent a ton of money on building 4 brand new stadiums for this event. Actually a lot of the county's development over the past two years has been for the CAN 2010.

However, the government should have been smarter than to build a stadium in Cabinda. This area has been causing them problems for quite sometime so the fact they took the risk of hosting games there is a mystery to me.

Anyway, I hope Angola can get their act together and ensure that the rest of the cup goes smoothly.


User currently offlineDc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2279 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1823 times:



Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 7):
However, the government should have been smarter than to build a stadium in Cabinda. This area has been causing them problems for quite sometime so the fact they took the risk of hosting games there is a mystery to me.

Completely agree. Who in their right minds would schedule a rather important competition in the middle of a conflict zone? Cabinda is an exclave and presents significant security problems which are harder to solve than in any other Angolan city. Should've just taken the next largest city and build a stadium there. Or, in this case, move all the Cabinda games to Luanda. I'm sure Togo is less than excited about the prospect of playing in Cabinda. May Serge Akakpo and his team-mate(s?) end up fine.

Scheduling a group in Cabinda is like scheduling one in Baghdad. It *might* end up fine, but what if it doesn't?

This shouldn't affect the South Africa World Cup as the risks involved are completely different. In South Africa it's more about aggressive monkeys out for food (according to several documentaries) than a liberation front. But of course that compared with any previous location, South Africa poses additional problems.


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1791 times:

They said in the Tagesschau news at 8 pm that three people are death now (the bus driver, the assistant coach, and the press speaker). The stand-by goaly suffers from a shot into the back and the stomach, they flew him out to a hospital in South Africa but they can't say at the moment if he will survive. The team of Togo will not play the Africa-Cup. Horrible story!

Patrick


User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5852 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1790 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Thread starter):
For me, this was also a terrorist attack, because those so-called "independence fighters" have attacked innocent people

is that your view when Mexican drug cartels murder innocent people?



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1776 times:

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 10):
is that your view when Mexican drug cartels murder innocent people?

Perhaps I should rephrase myself: This attack was for me a terrorist attack because innocent people were attacked for a political agenda by a group of so-called rebels. The Mexican drug cartel does not commit acts of terrorism under that definition (at least I'm not aware of such agendas in the case of both the Tijuana and Sinaloa cartels), because they don't seem to have politics in mind, they simply commit premeditated murder. In any case, I don't want to split hairs about it, what happened in Angola with the Togolese football team was murder, pure and simple. Most of the players and of the delegation are lucky they survived, because those round could have still hit the fuel tank of the bus, and potentially cause an explosion where either all die, or the few survivors would spend the rest of their lives in physical pain.

EDIT: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/africa/8449611.stm

The Togolese government has officially recalled the football team from the Africa Cup of Nations. Personally, I can understand the decision.

[Edited 2010-01-09 15:03:49]

User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1105 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1748 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 11):
The Togolese government has officially recalled the football team from the Africa Cup of Nations. Personally, I can understand the decision.

The team has just decided to actually go ahead and play in Cabinda. The players must be devastated so I'm impressed they are going through with this. I hope Angola actually has the situation under control like they say they do.

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2010/...ts-uk-angola-togo-attack-stay.html


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1720 times:

By the way, can someone tell me why they took the bus and not the plane? Football teams usually charter a plane when they have to travel to a tournament that is in another country.

Patrick


User currently offlineDc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2279 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1697 times:



Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 13):
By the way, can someone tell me why they took the bus and not the plane? Football teams usually charter a plane when they have to travel to a tournament that is in another country.

I guess it just didn't make sense to travel by plane from their training camp in Congo to Cabinda (it was seemingly too close to be worth it to fly)... Of course, it would've probably saved lives, but it's all much simpler in retrospect. I don't think they expected to be on the receiving side of a terrorist attack, even with the situation in Cabinda.


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1683 times:



Quoting Dc9northwest (Reply 14):
I guess it just didn't make sense to travel by plane from their training camp in Congo to Cabinda (it was seemingly too close to be worth it to fly).

I agree! I just saw in the tv-news that they came from their training camp in Congo. I thought that they were travelling by bus from Togo to Angola (some radio-news were reporting that yesterday).

Patrick


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1646 times:



Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 12):
The team has just decided to actually go ahead and play in Cabinda.

Yes, I've also heard of that, but in the end, despite the team wanting to play, the President of Togo urged them to return to Togo, and now they have arrived back home. If the CAF is willing to re-organise the matches, perhaps then there might be the chance that Togo could still participate, but somehow I find it unlikely to happen.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/africa/8450529.stm


User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1622 times:



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 1):
South Africa is one of the safest most modern countries in Africa, I think they've mostly overcome those apartheid problems of 20 years ago.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

South Africa is safe? And they've mostly overcome those apartheid problems of 20 years ago?

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Seriously dude, don't be like your buddies, The Young Turks, and not at least do some cursory research.

You do understand that South Africa has one of the highest per capita rates of rape, murder, and theft, right? Even in the "safe" parts of J'burg or Cape Town, you don't drive with your windows down, it's generally not a great idea to walk around alone at night, and that murders do occur frequently in the "safe parts" usually in the context of robbery. Houses in the cities are generally gated and walled. The apartheid problems have been solved? You might want to tell that to a person in a township or to a white farmer.

I think there will be significant problems during the World Cup due to crime, as I think a lot of tourists will be lulled into a false sense of security by the SA government (which tends to downplay every problem). When in fact, when in South Africa, you really do have to use your head.



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