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Red Dawn (2010)--This Time Its The Chinese!  
User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1575 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2807 times:

http://www.beyondhollywood.com/categ...ke-2010-movie/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Dawn_%282010_film%29

oh man this should be crazy!

I never saw the original, but i heard it was pretty good. But i mean seriously, could the Chinese really invade the US and occupy even parts of it????

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User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2796 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2797 times:



Quoting CaliAtenza (Thread starter):
But i mean seriously, could the Chinese really invade the US and occupy even parts of it????

Nope - that would be impossible.

But I am seriously excited for this film. I love war films, and the story line sounds very interesting. I'll probably go watch the 1984 original  Smile

Also, the first link does not work


User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2793 times:

Quoting Elite (Reply 1):

Also, the first link does not work

ah..it was working earlier (oh it looks like its not just the Chinese but the Russians too)... ok maybe this might work: http://www.beyondhollywood.com/category/red-dawn-remake-2010-movie/

[Edited 2010-01-09 04:40:04]

[Edited 2010-01-09 04:40:59]

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13078 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2773 times:

I don't think the Chinese forces would be able to take Detroit, I suspect all the 'God and Guns' types would probably make sure they would get past the river into Detroit or even the UP with all those hunters there with their guns.

Still, there is something disturbing about this new generation 'Red Dawn'. That it is set in Michigan and in particular Detroit, an area devestated by the transfer of manufacturing to China, suggests China is to seen as a scapegoat for all that is wrong in America. America has to have a new national entity to hate, to take the focus off our own weaknesses, to have a target to spend trillions of dollars to defend against, to keep our military and military contractors busy.


User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2767 times:



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 3):
I don't think the Chinese forces would be able to take Detroit, I suspect all the 'God and Guns' types would probably make sure they would get past the river into Detroit or even the UP with all those hunters there with their guns.

Still, there is something disturbing about this new generation 'Red Dawn'. That it is set in Michigan and in particular Detroit, an area devestated by the transfer of manufacturing to China, suggests China is to seen as a scapegoat for all that is wrong in America. America has to have a new national entity to hate, to take the focus off our own weaknesses, to have a target to spend trillions of dollars to defend against, to keep our military and military contractors busy.

i would tend to agree with you on this. But apparently its both the Chinese and the Ruskies invading though. I mean, did the Soviets back in the 80s possess EMP weapons neccessary to completely cripple the US? Do the Chinese have that capability now? The plot of the new movie hasnt yet alluded as to how the Chinese and the Russians will invade the US.


User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2242 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2754 times:



Quoting CaliAtenza (Thread starter):
But i mean seriously, could the Chinese really invade the US and occupy even parts of it?

If the Cubans can (in the original Red Dawn) then the Chinese definitely can...  Wink



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User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2736 times:



Quoting Homer71 (Reply 5):

If the Cubans can (in the original Red Dawn) then the Chinese definitely can...

its scary to think that someday this could actually happen...


User currently offlineMoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2314 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2724 times:



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User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2721 times:



Quoting Moose135 (Reply 7):

hahaha nice! Big grin


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2709 times:

Further proof that Hollywood has pretty much tapped the tank when it comes to movies.

Quoting CaliAtenza (Thread starter):
But i mean seriously, could the Chinese really invade the US and occupy even parts of it????

It boils down to sheer numbers. While the PLA is only slightly larger (Active and reserve troops) than the US military (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard), you throw in the paramilitary units that can be pressed into action, they have over 7 million troops at their disposal compared to 3.3 million with the US. Plus they don't have a number of their troops stationed overseas. Then again, how do you covertly get divisions across the Pacific to invade the US in this day and age? In the original movie, the paratroopers that took Calumet and a number of other cities flew in on a/c that looked like commercial a/c (A Trojan Horse for the modern age?). With the amount of goods shipped to the US from China, they could potentially transport troops (and equipment) on container ships, and like the Trojan Horse, hide in plain site.

Quoting Homer71 (Reply 5):
If the Cubans can (in the original Red Dawn) then the Chinese definitely can...

IIRC, in the original film, the Cubans came in via an invasion of Mexico. I'm guessing in that film, the Mexican armed forces were pushovers.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2706 times:



Quoting CaliAtenza (Thread starter):
the original, but i heard it was pretty good

Yea that movie did kick ass.


User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2697 times:



Quoting CaliAtenza (Thread starter):
I never saw the original, but i heard it was pretty good.

Not great - but interesting. Some good new concepts we had not seen before. Some really good young talent in the main roles long before they became better known. The acting was much better than the production/ story.

Quoting CaliAtenza (Thread starter):
But i mean seriously, could the Chinese really invade the US and occupy even parts of it????

As noted above - in terms of numbers China is the only nation which could occupy much of the US. However from a logistics standpoint, they would have to take over Canada or Mexico first. Consolidate their strongholds and supplies, then invade the US by land across the borders.

I don't think the shipping capacity exists to keep a Chinese army on the US west coast supplied from China. And we would have a lot of angry submarine skippers out there.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 9):
IIRC, in the original film, the Cubans came in via an invasion of Mexico. I'm guessing in that film, the Mexican armed forces were pushovers.

I though in the original movie, Mexico had openly welcomed Cuban military support after a change of government. I could be wrong on that, but I got the impression the Cuban troops staged from Mexico, not overflew Mexico.

Of course the movie was before the current level of scrutiny of aircraft in that region due to drug smuggling.


User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2796 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2690 times:



Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 11):

As noted above - in terms of numbers China is the only nation which could occupy much of the US. However from a logistics standpoint, they would have to take over Canada or Mexico first. Consolidate their strongholds and supplies, then invade the US by land across the borders.

Any attempt to invade Canada will be met by responses from countries like the United States, the United Kingdom & other European countries, and by the time China takes over and is set to move on to the US I believe the US army will have had enough time to prepare and to fire back. Right now, I still believe that the US army is much superior than China's and logistically it would be very, very difficult, if not impossible.


User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6088 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2681 times:
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Quoting Elite (Reply 1):
Nope - that would be impossible.



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 3):
I don't think the Chinese forces would be able to take Detroit, I suspect all the 'God and Guns' types would probably make sure they would get past the river into Detroit or even the UP with all those hunters there with their guns.

You know it.... Good ole' boys like me would team up with D-town thugs to stop those commies dead in their tracks. I have 40 guns, most of which are old high power military rifles so I could arm a nice squad. We couldn't get all of the commies but we could get some of them. We could also rig up some nice bombs. I have enough steel jacketed ammo to get the job done. Oddly most of it is communist surplus. When then red stain of communism comes down my block I'll be in my chimney picking them off with my M1 Garand and armor piercing ammo. When they get close they have to deal with my AK-47M.

On a funny note. In the Free Press there was a photo of an old gas station being blown up for the movie, on Woodward Ave. The picture had the address and I go by that place every Sunday and I didn't even notice it was blown up. That is how pitiful parts of Detroit are.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 10):
Yea that movie did kick ass.

That is for sure....



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User currently offlineAverageUser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2656 times:

Why would the Chinese bother with exposing any military hardware, when they can just walk into the boardroom? There's the ultimate a-symmetry for ya!

User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2642 times:



Quoting Elite (Reply 1):
But I am seriously excited for this film. I love war films, and the story line sounds very interesting. I'll probably go watch the 1984 original

Don't get your hopes up. It was done on the cheap. The supposed Hind-D's are a joke.

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 4):
i would tend to agree with you on this. But apparently its both the Chinese and the Ruskies invading though. I mean, did the Soviets back in the 80s possess EMP weapons neccessary to completely cripple the US?

Sure. All you have to do is explode the warhead up high instead of down low.

Quoting Homer71 (Reply 5):
If the Cubans can (in the original Red Dawn) then the Chinese definitely can

The Chinese would have trouble invading Tiawan without the prep being noticed. Getting all the way across the Pacific undetected would be virtually impossilbe.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 9):
Further proof that Hollywood has pretty much tapped the tank when it comes to movies.

I thought it was there when they started remaking cartoon shows like the Flintstones and Speedracer.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2605 times:



Quoting DXing (Reply 15):
I thought it was there when they started remaking cartoon shows like the Flintstones and Speedracer.

That is beginning to scrape the bottom of the barrel, but when you're resorting to updated remakes, you've lost the plot. What's worse than live action versions of cartoons are live action of video games. While some video game franchises do have enough in them to become films (Tomb Raider series, Evil Dead), others do not, case in point, "The Sims" movie currently in development.


User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2557 times:



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 9):
It boils down to sheer numbers. While the PLA is only slightly larger (Active and reserve troops) than the US military (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard), you throw in the paramilitary units that can be pressed into action, they have over 7 million troops at their disposal compared to 3.3 million with the US. Plus they don't have a number of their troops stationed overseas. Then again, how do you covertly get divisions across the Pacific to invade the US in this day and age? In the original movie, the paratroopers that took Calumet and a number of other cities flew in on a/c that looked like commercial a/c (A Trojan Horse for the modern age?). With the amount of goods shipped to the US from China, they could potentially transport troops (and equipment) on container ships, and like the Trojan Horse, hide in plain site.

Oh ok..yeah just by numbers the Chinese have the largest standing army in the world. But how in the world are they going to do it in the movie. The only way i see this happening is if it somehow follows the original, i.e the Chinese have exploded EMP bombs and knocked out US first strike capability.


User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2526 times:



Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 17):
EMP bombs and knocked out US first strike capability.

Which is practically impossible. For them to achieve this, they would have to locate our aircraft carriers, to prevent strikes on China, as well as take out our numerous bases around the world in Japan and South Korea and Guam and the Middle East etc. Then, what about other bases carrying B-2 stealth bombers? Those bases are mostly secret and not so easy to be located by their intelligence. Then (this is getting exhausting) what about our submarines that may or may not have nuclear weapons on board? There are just too many things and unless China, (or any other country) wants a death sentence, or star WW3, they wouldn't attempt it.



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User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2482 times:



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 18):
Then, what about other bases carrying B-2 stealth bombers? Those bases are mostly secret and not so easy to be located by their intelligence.

We only have 19 operational B-2 bombers and they have one base - Whiteman. They can logistically operate from about a half-dozen bases around the world efficiently.

We still have a few bases around the world where some details of what goes on are secret, but we have no where near the number of bases we did back 35 years ago when I was involved in some of that work. But everybody and their sister knows where our bases are located, or can find out in a few minutes on the internet.

The B-2 is a very potent weapon, but not a magic one. The B-1 and B-52 are also very potent threats, greater threats because of their numbers and their lower logistics requirements.

I am also pretty sure the Chinese know where our aircraft carriers are located. Back in the 70's and 80's we tried to institute programs to make US Navy carrier groups radio silent. Did not work. It only takes a moderate level of technology in a satellite to spot the RF energy bloom of a US, or other nation, carrier battle group. They stand out huge when the right spectrums are tracked from space.

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 17):
the Chinese have exploded EMP bombs and knocked out US first strike capability

EMP would not knock out our first strike capability or even our command and control systems. What it would knock out is the economy that China depends upon to keep their people employed and fed.

However most importantly today's world is very different from the world of 1982 when that movie was written/ made.

It is a great fantasy concept for a movie - but the world has to change very much for such a scenario to be remotely possible.


User currently offlineJRDC930 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

Well, given the lack of resolve americans have shown toward fighting a war in the recent years, and the popularity of defeatism, and pacifism, id say it would be a cake walk for them. All theyed have to do is kill one soldier and it would be "too much" and we would surrender. sad. I loved the original movie, so this one should be good too. I love these what if movies.

User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2419 times:



Quoting JRDC930 (Reply 20):
Well, given the lack of resolve americans have shown toward fighting a war in the recent years, and the popularity of defeatism, and pacifism, id say it would be a cake walk for them. All theyed have to do is kill one soldier and it would be "too much" and we would surrender. sad. I loved the original movie, so this one should be good too. I love these what if movies.

That's what you think. It's surprising the amount of patriotism Americans have. After 9/11, we saw that. The citizens of this country will do anything to protect it. You should know Americans won't go down without a fight. Moral is just low right now because we don't feel like we are fighting a war for our benefit.



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User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2796 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2395 times:



Quoting JRDC930 (Reply 20):
Well, given the lack of resolve americans have shown toward fighting a war in the recent years

Only because people question the motives behind the 2 wars. But if China or any other country were to attack the US first, the resolve would go through the roof.


User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2363 times:



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 18):

Which is practically impossible. For them to achieve this, they would have to locate our aircraft carriers, to prevent strikes on China, as well as take out our numerous bases around the world in Japan and South Korea and Guam and the Middle East etc. Then, what about other bases carrying B-2 stealth bombers? Those bases are mostly secret and not so easy to be located by their intelligence. Then (this is getting exhausting) what about our submarines that may or may not have nuclear weapons on board? There are just too many things and unless China, (or any other country) wants a death sentence, or star WW3, they wouldn't attempt it.

which is why im eager to see the full plot details of this movie. In real life, this would NEVER happen...China needs us as an economic partner...they need us as their biggest market for their goods and services. The Soviet Union, on the other hand, yeah maybe they wanted to invade us back in the Cold War because they had no goods of value to us, other than minerals.


User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

I'm getting really confused here - I thought men with beards were the bad guys?

25 JRDC930 : Yeah, then then forgot about that reall quick once soldiers started dying. dosnt matter that the casualty rate is lower than other similar conflicts;
26 CaliAtenza : This is why China scares me...
27 N1120A : Too bad Patrick Swayze died and Charlie Sheen has other problems. They could have played the fathers of the new group.
28 Alias1024 : The first Red Dawn was hilarious. There aren't many films that are so bad they turn funny, but that was one of them. I hope the new Red Dawn can be ju
29 RFields5421 : Okay my hometown high school was too small for football. But on the first day of deer season about 70-80 kids would bring in their rifles and shotgun
30 CaliAtenza : the propaganda posters in the movie look hillarious. Did the first movie really explain how the Soviets/Cubans were invading? What happened to all of
31 RFields5421 : Very briefly. There was a small nuke missle exchange, but the Soviets took out DC, West Virginia, SAC at Omaha and Cheyenne Mountain with a no-notice
32 EA CO AS : Especially considering there are parts of Detroit that even the Chinese armed forces wouldn't dare go into at night...
33 N234NW : That's probably what the "You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hand" bumper sticker guy was thinking. That scene is near the start
34 JRDC930 : You dont know much about gerilla warefare do you; there are tons of areas in the world where there are teenage soldiers fighting as rebels. Its entir
35 Lemmy : This is exactly why I think the original Red Dawn should have been required viewing for everyone in the country before we invaded Iraq or Afghanistan
36 Acheron : We are talking about China here. If they were to invade, they would use the ridiculous amounts of guns in the US as an excuse to declare everybody a
37 LHR380 : Its a fantastic film, even the copter bit. Watched it not long ago and was just as good as i remember it. Cant wait to see what they do with the rema
38 JRDC930 : I have to admit as a military nut and an aviation fanatic; if they do make this remake, i hope they can keep the hardware accurate. I always get a la
39 CaliAtenza : Oh ok..yeah but wouldnt we still have subs at sea...?? And does the movie ever explain what happened to our leadership?
40 CaliAtenza : This is the part that scares me; during the Cold War this could have easily happened but by then i guess we would have noticed and taken out those fo
41 RFields5421 : We would still have the boomers - they ignored those. The strikes in DC, West Virginia, Omaha and Colorado Springs took out the leadership down to th
42 JRDC930 : Funny because in the original Red Dawn; the Chinese were on the Americans side. But then again Sino-Soviet relations weren't all that great.
43 CaliAtenza : yeah at that time they werent. I thought Cheyenne Mountain was pretty impervious to a Nuclear Attack? So bassically, and this is from reading wikiped
44 ShyFlyer : From the original movie's opening: --Soviet Union suffers worst wheat harvest in 55 years. --Labor and food riots in Poland. Soviet troops invade. --C
45 WestJetForLife : I remember an argument the girlfriend, her (Chinese) friend, her friend's boyfriend and I had once over beer. It was a simple one: would the Chinese r
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