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Mark McGwire Admits Using Steroids  
User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1202 times:

In a statement released to the AP, McGwire admitted using steroids during the 1998 season when he broke the single season home run record. He also admitted using it on and off for ten seasons.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ids.mcgwire.1st.ld.writethru.0851/

[Edited 2010-01-11 12:15:41]


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User currently offlinePhoenix9 From Canada, joined Aug 2007, 2546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1185 times:



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Thread starter):
In a statement released to the AP, McGwire admitted using steroids during the 1998 season when he broke the single season home run record. He also admitted using it on and off for ten seasons.

I'd be surprised if he DIDN'T use steroids. With all the drug/steroid abuse that happened in the past, its no wonder.



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User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1185 times:

He Pretty much did that when he was called in front of congress, but not in so many words.

PIA777



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User currently offlineCsturdiv From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1449 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1163 times:

This can be filed under the category of "Duhhhh!"

He is just trying to save grace and hopefully clear up his name so he can be voted into the Hall of Fame. I'd rather see Pete Rose in before McGwire, Pete didn't do anything during his playing career that inflated his numbers, it was after his playing career that his gambling either inflated or deflated his checking account.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11214 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1156 times:

Now the question becomes, why did he admit it now?

My answer is that he wants to be in the Hall. It would not have seemed sincere if he had done it last week ahead of the Hall voting, but now he'll have a whole year to apologize to America, and really grovel, before the next vote.

Barry Bonds, are you watching?



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1151 times:



Quoting Csturdiv (Reply 3):
This can be filed under the category of "Duhhhh!"

He is just trying to save grace and hopefully clear up his name so he can be voted into the Hall of Fame. I'd rather see Pete Rose in before McGwire, Pete didn't do anything during his playing career that inflated his numbers, it was after his playing career that his gambling either inflated or deflated his checking account.

I have mixed feelings about Pete Rose too - even as a Reds fan. But one analyst provided an interesting perspective on Pete Rose. It may be true that he never bet on his team to lose, but that still affected how he managed. He may have bet big one day on his team to win, and would use all his resources and effort to ensure a win that day, and then next day, knowing he would probably lose, would not bet on his team.

As for McGwire, yes, than can be filed under "Duhhhh!" Just too bad that the person who broke his record was also a steroid user too.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1143 times:

You realize we all knew this right? Thanks Mark, so nice of you.

User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1133 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 4):
Now the question becomes, why did he admit it now?

I think it's a combination of him wanting to be in the hall, as well as Tony Larussa, St. Louis Cardinals manager, convincing him to do so, since McGwire is now the hitting coach for the Cards.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3354 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1123 times:



Quoting Csturdiv (Reply 3):
Pete didn't do anything during his playing career that inflated his numbers, it was after his playing career that his gambling either inflated or deflated his checking account.

Pete Rose continues to deny what everyone thinks he did and he is not a nice guy when asked about the gambling. I saw an interview recently in 1999 where he was being interviewed for being places on the all century team and he stood by that he never gambled on his team. he may be innocent but the evidence suggests otherwise.

He will likely be admitted to Cooperstown when either he admits is or there is evidence out there that acquits him and if that happens then Major League Baseball owes him an apology (which Selig probably won't give him).

Quoting D L X (Reply 4):
Now the question becomes, why did he admit it now?

I'm guessing because of how A-rod was forgiven for admitting it last spring as well as players like Andy Pettitte have been forgiven/.

Quoting D L X (Reply 4):

Barry Bonds, are you watching?

Add in Roger Clemons to that list as well.

I think Barry will keep his mouth shut for a while because he is tied up in BALCO and him admitting it could land him in Jail like it did for Marion Jones.



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1116 times:



Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 8):
Pete Rose continues to deny what everyone thinks he did and he is not a nice guy when asked about the gambling. I saw an interview recently in 1999 where he was being interviewed for being places on the all century team and he stood by that he never gambled on his team. he may be innocent but the evidence suggests otherwise.

He will likely be admitted to Cooperstown when either he admits is or there is evidence out there that acquits him and if that happens then Major League Baseball owes him an apology (which Selig probably won't give him).

Pete Rose has already admitted to gambling - quite a while ago in fact.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2004-01-05-rose_x.htm

Hence my opening statement in Reply 5.


User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2748 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1113 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 4):
Now the question becomes, why did he admit it now?

My answer is that he wants to be in the Hall. It would not have seemed sincere if he had done it last week ahead of the Hall voting, but now he'll have a whole year to apologize to America, and really grovel, before the next vote.

Barry Bonds, are you watching?

Bonds has a larger issue. If he admits knowingly using steroids, he admits to perjury.

I agree that McGwire's confession is about the Hall of Fame.



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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6303 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1113 times:

In other news, the sun is toasty at times

User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11214 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1106 times:



Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 10):
Bonds has a larger issue. If he admits knowingly using steroids, he admits to perjury.

I agree that McGwire's confession is about the Hall of Fame.

i was thinking more about the impending apology. Bonds is hated by a lot of people, and (since his name is not Ty Cobb) that hatred may be enough in this day and age to keep him out of the hall. He may have to learn from McGwire how to grovel like a man.



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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1551 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1095 times:



Quoting Csturdiv (Reply 3):
I'd rather see Pete Rose in before McGwire

Pete Rose deserves to be in there as much as any player I can think of. I'd like to see players like Shoeless Joe Jackson in there before McGwire, but I don't think that will ever happen. But the sad thing is that will never happen.

One of the bad things the steriod scandal has done in my observation is that anytime a player breaks a record - be it a MLB record, or a team record - you have detractors screaming steroids. I remember getting in an argument with a suitemate in college about Ryan Howard of the Phillies. This guy reasoned that Howard had to be on steroids because he was (and still is) a big guy, and because of how many home runs he hits. Am I saying that all players are angels, and steroids aren't used? No. But what I am saying is that they are blurring real talent, and shifting peoples' attention on to who may or may not be using them.

Marc


User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2748 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1089 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 12):
Bonds is hated by a lot of people, and (since his name is not Ty Cobb) that hatred may be enough in this day and age to keep him out of the hall.

It sure will be interesting to see if the steroids and surly personality keep him out of the hall or not. It's easy to make the argument that Bonds was not only as good as Ty Cobb, but was the greatest player of his generation. The only other position player I'd put in Bonds' category from his generation is Ken Griffey Jr., who was robbed of his most productive years by injury.

I think without getting banned like Pete Rose, Bonds gets in. Probably not on the first ballot as a protest by the voters, but in on the second ballot. Despite the steroids and personality, I couldn't ignore Bonds' ability and productivity over his career if I had a HOF ballot.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19415 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1072 times:

Out of curiosity, is there anyone here who does have the nerve to act surprised?

User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11214 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1068 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
Out of curiosity, is there anyone here who does have the nerve to act surprised?

I'm shocked, SHOCKED that there is gambling going on in here.

But you know, we in America do not care so much that someone did it or didn't do it, we care more that someone apologized for what we think they did.

Except for OJ. There's no way we'd just say "okay" if he admitted and apologized.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1055 times:

Why now? Why has he decided to come forward now instead of when these allegations came out? Why play innocent if you know you're guilty, and what you did will eventually come back to bite you in the ass?

That being said, I'm not surprised about the fact that he did use steroids.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11214 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1047 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 17):
Why now? Why has he decided to come forward now instead of when these allegations came out? Why play innocent if you know you're guilty, and what you did will eventually come back to bite you in the ass?

I bet part of it is that, legally, he pretty much got away with is, and maybe was surprised to see just how many of the Hall voters voted for him anyway. He got about 1/3rd the number of votes you need to get in. Combine that with the fact that there will be some voters that won't waste one of their 10 votes on McGwire knowing that other voters are boycotting him and the fact that the Hall ballot was deep this year (Dale Murphy is STILL on the ballot and not in the hall where he belongs), and voters would rather use one of their precious 10 votes elsewhere.

But now, this could be a momentum swinger for next year.



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User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2660 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1021 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 4):
Now the question becomes, why did he admit it now?

I'm guessing if he had made it into the HOF on this last ballot, he would have never admitted it!!



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13040 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1004 times:

Duh, I think he finally admitted to the truth he and many others did at the time. If their is anything good about his finally comming out with the truth, it will cause more attention to be paid to make sure other and present ballplayers will stay away from steroids and build up naturally.

User currently offlineCOrocks From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 985 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 4):
My answer is that he wants to be in the Hall.

The thing is, if you disregard the years he was on steroids (says he started in '89) he does not have the numbers or proven track record to get in the hall. Whereas someone like Bonds (skinny bonds) was already considered a hall of famer by most analysts.

Rose will get in when Selig retires.


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8023 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 983 times:

Note to all of these loser roidheads: you're all worthless with nothing on Pete Rose. Yes, you may have better hand-eye coordination than some, but your longballs were enhanced. Big fat boo on you.


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