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Sarah Palin Gets A TV Contract... With Fox News  
User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11269 posts, RR: 52
Posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3752 times:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100111/ap_on_en_tv/us_palin_fox_news


I'm surprised it's Fox News, since the word on the street was that she would host a talk show. Her role at Fox will be as a pundit.

Honestly, as much as I am looking forward to her exposing herself for what I think she is (low on substance), I think this is the absolute best way possible for her to prove me wrong. If given the chance to talk in depth about substantive issues, either she will impress people with her knowledge (and forever shake the Couric interview off), or will inform her that she lacks such depth.

Good job, Sarah, and I really mean that. You've pushed all your chips into the pot. Now, the question will be whether you have a good hand, or if you are bluffing.


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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8835 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3748 times:



Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
Honestly, as much as I am looking forward to her exposing herself for what I think she is (low on substance), I think this is the absolute best way possible for her to prove me wrong. If given the chance to talk in depth about substantive issues, either she will impress people with her knowledge (and forever shake the Couric interview off), or will inform her that she lacks such depth.

I agree. It's time to put up or shut up - on both sides. We will see.

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
I'm surprised it's Fox News, since the word on the street was that she would host a talk show.

They already host Huckabee's show - which frankly I hope is cancelled. Dreadful. Maybe one time out of 10 he'll have something interesting, but otherwise a waste of time.



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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3735 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
I agree. It's time to put up or shut up - on both sides. We will see.

No matter what she says, or how right her insights prove to be, this will be nothing but fodder for Olberman and Maddow. They've already made up their minds.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
They already host Huckabee's show - which frankly I hope is cancelled.

Add Beck to that list. Shrill and predictable only go so far. I do like the musical guests that Huckabee has in from time to time though.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11269 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3730 times:



Quoting DXing (Reply 2):
this will be nothing but fodder for Olberman and Maddow.

So? If they say absurd things about her, it will show. If they say on point things about her, it will probably be stuff that is said by others as well.

I personally don't make up my mind based on what Olbermann and Maddow say. It's just more data to me.

Quoting DXing (Reply 2):
Add Beck to that list.

Interesting to hear you say that.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8835 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3711 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 3):
So? If they say absurd things about her, it will show.

Well you have to admit that they have said and done some outrageously stupid things in the past, and their defenders will never even admit it. Like when that Gerofolo (sp?) woman saying that the tea party movement was purely motivated by racism and nothing else, and Olbermann was just agreeing with her all the way?



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11269 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3706 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):
Well you have to admit that they have said and done some outrageously stupid things in the past, and their defenders will never even admit it.

I personally don't have to admit it since I rarely watch their shows.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):
Like when that Gerofolo (sp?) woman saying that the tea party movement was purely motivated by racism and nothing else, and Olbermann was just agreeing with her all the way?

I actually did see that episode, and Garofalo (I think that's right) really disturbed me. As you may know, I hate protests, no matter what position you're arguing, because they are today so obnoxious that that obnoxiousness overpowers whatever point they were trying to make. I feel the same way about Jenneane Garofalo. I mean, it's so intense, that her appearance on 24 (a favorite show) nearly made me not want to watch. (Fortunately, they balanced her with some tasty eye candy.)



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User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3700 times:

Quoting DXing (Reply 2):
this will be nothing but fodder for Olberman and Maddow.



Quoting DXing (Reply 2):
Shrill and predictable only go so far.

You were saying?

Olbermann has a segment called "Worst Person of the Day!?" I mean, if that isn't shrill I don't know what is. I've watched some Olbermann and Maddow, they both, as liberals do, run on sheer emotion. It's like watch petulant, emotional 12-year old children try to debate news.

Look, if the Fox News lineup was "shrill and predictable," I don't think they'd destroy MSNBC in the ratings. You might say, "But, that's because only Republicans watch." Not so, FNC has more diversity in viewership than CNN and MSNBC.

I'm pretty ambivalent about Palin, it will be interesting to see how she does.

[Edited 2010-01-11 14:07:41]


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User currently offlineCytz_pilot From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 568 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3694 times:



Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
Good job, Sarah, and I really mean that. You've pushed all your chips into the pot. Now, the question will be whether you have a good hand, or if you are bluffing.

Yeah that. I don't often agree with her viewpoints but I really admire her charisma and strength of personality, and this is one of the best avenues I think she can take.


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8835 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3687 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 5):
As you may know, I hate protests, no matter what position you're arguing, because they are today so obnoxious that that obnoxiousness overpowers whatever point they were trying to make.

Isn't that part of the point? With all the Tea Party protests that went on around the country, including a couple of very big events in Washington, as I recall, there were no arrests, no burning cars, no vandalism of any kind. In addition after the Tea Party in Washington, the protestors even cleaned up after themselves, and before/after pictures comparing the tea parties vs the Obama innauguration were all over the place. The Tea Party protesters were not out there just as an excuse to trash the town (like G8 protesters). They were responsible, came to make their point non-violently, and tried their best to ensure that their protest did not destroy anyone's property. Do you still find that obnoxious? I wish all protesters were so well behaved.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11269 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3670 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 8):
Isn't that part of the point?

NO!

I had prepared a lengthy response, but protests are completely off topic to discussing Palin's getting a contract.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11269 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3662 times:



Quoting Cytz_pilot (Reply 7):
Yeah that. I don't often agree with her viewpoints but I really admire her charisma and strength of personality, and this is one of the best avenues I think she can take.

It will be very interesting to say the least about what she says and how much she shows off her brains.

The next question will be however, does this mean she's out for 2012? No journalist has ever gone from journalism/punditry to the presidency. The closest I can think of was Al Gore, who obviously didn't win. We'll see what happens to Lou Dobbs.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21561 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3618 times:

Are we seeing the start of a new trend where political hopefuls get their own shows on the 24-hour "news" networks in order to build their personas for future election? Part of me says that it might be useful, but another part of me says that it's only going to lead to further polarization.

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 6):
Olbermann has a segment called "Worst Person of the Day!?" I mean, if that isn't shrill I don't know what is.

Yeah, it's shrill. So is O'Reilly's "Patriot and Pinhead" segment.

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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8222 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

I think Sarah might wear even some conservatives out. She does have the ability to talk for 15+ minutes and not really say anything - the debates clearly showed that.

And there will probably be some dumb statements that she'll make. But look at Harry Reid. That's nothing new for a politician.

And I would bet that her contract includes a wardrobe allowance.  laughing 


User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3584 times:

This has to be the funniest story of the day. I will be looking forward to plenty of laughs from her. Good luck to her at Faux, it couldn't be a more perfect fit.  laughing   rotfl  . And they say they're not an arm of the republican party. It's kind of like saying if it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, then it's cat.


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User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2584 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3570 times:

Does this mean she's going bottle blonde and getting breast implants?

I mean...it IS Fox News after all....... Silly


This is a role she was born for.....to be in front of a TV camera.


User currently offlineUsair320 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 991 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3556 times:



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 13):



This has to be the funniest story of the day. I will be looking forward to plenty of laughs from her. Good luck to her at Faux, it couldn't be a more perfect fit. . And they say they're not an arm of the republican party. It's kind of like saying if it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, then it's cat.

As a Republican I acknowledge Fox has a pro-GOP bias. Now will you acknowledge MSNBC (and to a lesser extent CNN) has a Pro-Democrat bias??????


User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3542 times:

Quoting Usair320 (Reply 15):

As a Republican I acknowledge Fox has a pro-GOP bias. Now will you acknowledge MSNBC (and to a lesser extent CNN) has a Pro-Democrat bias??????

Obviously.

I have to admit that I like Fox's coverage because the love denying it, but it's so clear to see their bias, which is funny to me. So when I see them using misleading footage or seeing Beck go off on another of his chalkboard conspiracies, I find it funny. But they would defend it to death that they don't have a bias. I'm pretty sure MSNBC would do the dame thing.

Quoting Johnboy (Reply 14):


This is a role she was born for.....to be in front of a TV camera.

I was thinking of a different camera
 bouncy   Big grin

[Edited 2010-01-11 16:41:52]


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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13076 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3525 times:

Why am I not surprised at this. She only has to work a few days a week at most, probably gets paid a lot more than being a Governor, maybe good benefits for her and her family and will be among friends. It's too bad she doesn't have the intellectual status to really contribute to the political debates of our times.

User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3511 times:



Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
I'm surprised it's Fox News, since the word on the street was that she would host a talk show. Her role at Fox will be as a pundit.

Not terribly surprising to me. Palin has shown that she's decent at public speaking when she knows in advance/is told in advance what she is going to say, so the commentator job is perfect for her. She can't really speak off the cuff in the way that you need to be able to do in order to conduct interviews and such.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8835 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3500 times:



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 19):
Palin has shown that she's decent at public speaking when she knows in advance/is told in advance what she is going to say, so the commentator job is perfect for her. She can't really speak off the cuff in the way that you need to be able to do in order to conduct interviews and such.

Huh? Commentators generally are off the cuff. They may have gotten enough time concerning the subject matter to put together maybe 40-60 seconds of prepared remarks, but the rest of the time on the air, they have to improvise.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 17):
It's too bad she doesn't have the intellectual status to really contribute to the political debates of our times.

We will see, although you seem to have already made up your mind.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3484 times:

Perfect marriage if you ask me. All the righties who buy her mindless crap now can get more of the crap every day. And the rest of us know where to avoid her mindless crap.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 20):
Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 17):

It's too bad she doesn't have the intellectual status to really contribute to the political debates of our times.

We will see, although you seem to have already made up your mind.

Duh, Charles-most of us made up our minds after we watched, with horror, the Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric interviews a year ago, and how inept she was.


User currently offlineMoltenRock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3484 times:

Just another empty headed, pretty face, to serve up Republican Puppy Chow for their loyal followers I suppose.

The fodder from her gaffes should be amusing.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19549 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3478 times:

I'm debating whether watching her is going to be more amusing or more painful.

User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3477 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 21):
the Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric interviews a year ago, and how inept she was.

In all seriousness, I was beyond shocked when I saw the Couric interview. It wasn't sad to me, but I couldn't believe the republicans would even nominate her for VP. I thought it was a joke. I hope she says more funny stuff on fox. But, as I said, this is all a front for her for 2012. Getting her rating up with conservatives so she can get their full support in 2012.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8835 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3471 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 21):
Duh, Charles-most of us made up our minds after we watched, with horror, the Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric interviews a year ago, and how inept she was.

Which is a pretty dumb thing to say. The "Bush Doctrine question" was intentionally vague (I could list a half-dozen different policies that have been called "the Bush Doctrine" at various times). If Gibson had asked me that question, I would have asked back, "Which one?". Palin's response was no different. Couric's "what do you read" was an incredibly stupid question. But you guys believed the spin and swallowed it hook, line and sinker. It speeks very poorly of you to hold those up as your decision points.

[Edited 2010-01-11 18:11:27]


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25 Aaron747 : You've got it backwards. They destroy everyone in the ratings because they're the most controversial. Controversy always sells in media, regardless o
26 MoltenRock : Yup. The cost of manufacturing said controversy however is truth, and the American public is worse off for it.
27 Falcon84 : What the hell is so vague about answering: "Charlie, I am for pre-emptive action to stop terrorism before it hits the U.S. That is why I supported th
28 NIKV69 : Oh please.. You watch Rachel Maddow, Matthews and Schutlz then watch O'Reilly, Greta and Hannity. It's not even close who is more controversial. Fox
29 MoltenRock : Although I will say, using ratings as some sort of "winner" and claiming 1 or 2 million is a lot. How many people are there in the USA now, 305 millio
30 Dreadnought : The following policies were called the Bush Doctrine in the press: 1. The trend toward unilateralism, starting with Bush's renounciation of the ABM T
31 Mir : You are absolutely correct. It's not even close. Just because something claims to be a "no spin zone" does not make it so. There's plenty of spin com
32 Falcon84 : Steeeeerike One!!! Steeeeerike Two!!! Steeeeerike Three!! NIK is outta there! None of the above, NIK. Sorry. I don't loathe the woman. I pity those-l
33 Falcon84 : Absolutely. No brainer. Bullshit, Charles. She said to Gibson "In what way, Charlie", and never did ask for any clarification. And, again, if you can
34 Usair320 : Thank you. Now on to the new Palin gig.........I hope she get's a multi-million dollar contract at FOX to host her own show and stay there. Let me te
35 FuturePilot16 : Please don't say that dude. Ya just sound ignorant. FOX DOESN'T SPIN AND SPEW THINGS??? Oh my goodness. I mean seriously, I know you didn't type that
36 D L X : Well, I'm sure that if Gibson had asked you you would have come up with at least one possible definition, possibly many. Palin produced none. That's
37 Sv7887 : I have to agree. Initially I thought the Palin pick was a great one. But the more I saw of her, the more I realized she's at best an amateur. I wasn'
38 Rara : Brilliant. I hope she runs in 2012! It'd be extremely entertaining to watch. Comedy galore.
39 Baroque : Gotta disagree there. I have no idea what it is she is trying to do, but it is a really professional job.
40 Falcon84 : Funniest line in the whole damn thread. There isn't a shred of truth to it, but it does make one
41 Elite : While I'm glad that at least some people out there are willing to admit the biases towards the Democratic party from channels like MSNBC and CNN, Fox
42 Johnboy : It's my understanding that she's hosting a series of shows on a somewhat irregular schedule, a la Ollie North's "War Stories." She'll have plenty of t
43 D L X : That would be too bad, because that is how she could really show off the fact that she has a brain. The BIGGEST knock against her is that people don'
44 Dreadnought : Well, that's what she needs to do to come off as believable. It would be an excellent forum to show that she can articulate her thoughts on the fly.
45 NIKV69 : Irrelevant? Could have fooled me? 2012 will be fun pal. Just because Palin isn't a Havard eduacted elitist with book smarts doesn't mean she isn't fi
46 D L X : I expect a huge bump in ratings tonight then. Everyone wants to know if there's anything between her ears. My question now is, will it be like an int
47 Seb146 : Here is the thing that bothers me about FOX vs MSNBC: When a right-winger quotes FOX, we are all just supposed to lie down and take it; believe every
48 MoltenRock : It's the only place she's qualified to possibly be. As the American people proved just a year ago, they were tired of ignorant, uneducated, untravele
49 FuturePilot16 : I might actually peek in, while watching TYT
50 D L X : Are you really saying that it's not required to be smart to be the President? I think most people fundamentally disagree with you, including many (mo
51 AGM100 : It may be more related to our universities becoming simply left wing Marxist propaganda factories. Not unlike high-schools ! Last night my son once a
52 FuturePilot16 : Well, on MSNBC, they actually check facts, and as one person pointed out, they are sort of left leaning. The right would have been irate, and Palin w
53 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : D L X, I have to say I'm impressed as I was opening this thread expecting a Palin and Fox News bash fest. I hope your anaylsis and opinion of how she
54 Dreadnought : It's the assumption that if you graduated from Harvard you must be smart. I have an uncle who graduated #1 in his class at University of Texas Law Sc
55 D L X : Did you go to one of these "marxist" schools? I happened to go to a conservative leaning school in the northeast. So, yes, I take offense at your par
56 Aaron747 : What you're describing has to do with character and has absolutely zilch to do with what level of education either relative achieved. On the opposite
57 AGM100 : Correct .... I went to public school , but it was nothing like it is today. The level of "social engineering " type of idealism was not prevalent. I
58 FlyDeltaJets87 : So does Fox News Oh come on D L X. We all know you call 5,000 lawyers at the bottom of the sea "a good start" and that sharks don't eat lawyers becau
59 FuturePilot16 : Listen, as I said, I find the woman way too amusing to take seriously, it happens when the woman believes in death panels. I do believe it's a perfec
60 D L X : Agree completely. In fact, it might have been better for her to go on MSNBC with her buddy Pat Buchannan. That way, she would be exposed to an audien
61 Tommy767 : Obermann and O'Reilly are pretty much the same type of host but on completely opposite sides of the political spectrum. The main difference is Olberm
62 DXing : Well that's one persons opinion. All one has to do though is look back at the various threads that seem to show that at least some other individuals
63 D L X : Please explain.
64 FuturePilot16 : I think he meant in terms of success running for President, not for his controversial racial remarks.
65 DXing : Pat Buchanan owes his public existance and small hard core base to his exposure on "The Capital Gang" and "Crossfire". As was shown in the 1992 prima
66 Superfly : However I'd rather see her on naked news. Amen to that! If this jobs gets to tough, I am sure she'll quit. Jast as she did as governor of Alaska.
67 D L X : If she quits, she's done in politics. She already has a track record of quitting. Right now though, she only has one public quitting. If she quits a
68 Superfly : I think she's already done in terms of elected office. She'll still go on an squeal about conservatism but that's about it.
69 FlyDeltaJets87 : That's one of the biggest hurdles Palin will face in 2012, if not the biggest. The Republicans better know that her stepping down as Governor mid-ter
70 DXing : She will always have a fan base since she has the charisma that some people look for. She never had, and will never have, the broad based support nee
71 Superfly : I could see Palin challenging Senator Mark Begich in 2014, but that's about it. That's about it. She has no chance of winning a national office.
72 DXing : U.S. Senator is a national office but I know what you mean. However I think she has burned her political bridges with the electorate in Alaska.
73 Falcon84 : It may happen everywhere, perhaps, but MSNBC and FOX are the most openly biased. CBS is to the left in some degree. I really don't see a whole lot of
74 Post contains links Dreadnought : Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 73): And it does show that the right is anti-education. Probably because of the fact that, once people do get an education, an
75 Mir : About the only objectionable thing about that is that it's the 3rd time. There is absolutely nothing wrong with teaching children about the Undergrou
76 Falcon84 : Most of the masses go to college in some form or another, Charles, do they not. So if they are left-wing institutions, how do you figure the left wan
77 DXing : ??? Do you know the three main reasons the revolutionists fought for our freedom from the British? Do you? They weren't liberal ideas. The Union in t
78 Falcon84 : Really? Getting away from England wasn't a liberal idea? It was the conservatives that wanted to remain with the Crown, DXing, not the liberals of th
79 Falcon84 : I have a college degree. Owned again.
80 Dreadnought : The issue is choice and competition, provided by the voucher program, versus the monopoly structure endorsed by the Democrats. Do not confuse the ter
81 FlyDeltaJets87 : Liberal by standards then or liberal by standards today? And again - would they be considered liberal or conservative by TODAY's political standards?
82 Falcon84 : That has absolutely nothing to do with what I asked you. Answer the question: if liberalism is the political mantra for change, and if "the masses" (
83 D L X : You guys are straying far from the topic of Sarah Palin on FOX...
84 Post contains links FlyDeltaJets87 : Colorado? Idaho? Montana? Utah? Arizona? Are those states not in the "West" too Falcon? That's a big chunk of what I was refering too. Even in the el
85 Falcon84 : Did I not say "the mountain states"? That falls under those. At least I mentioned those, FDJ. You didn't even bother to mention that the Westernmost
86 Usair320 : That makes me want to use a "Senator, You're no Jack Kennedy." kind of line. I may disagree with Pat on the social issues and trade, but on Foreign p
87 TheCol : Normally I think you're way out in right field, but I agree that it's foolish to underestimate politicians. In any case, I'll still avoid Fox News li
88 Superfly : Falcon84 was simply addressing FlyDeltaJets87. Regardless of all the bickering in the non-aviation forums, Washington D.C., the media/big business an
89 Cws818 : Just out of curiosity, how many minutes have you spent on the campus of any one of "our universities"? Just because you distrust science does not mea
90 Superfly : Why do you have a problem with this part of US history?
91 Cws818 : Apparently, he finds it difficult to spell.
92 TheCol : They answer to us, and will do whatever it takes to get our money and votes. That is one of the most irrational posts I've seen so far on here. What
93 Post contains images Superfly :    I've had liberal to conservative professors and everything in between in when I was in college. Exactly! Worth noting, the Communist governments
94 Cws818 : Could it be that they see African Americans that way because many are Democrats?
95 Superfly : I don't think they give a darn what political persuasion many Blacks vote. The kind of conservatives I speak of felt this way back when Blacks were m
96 Cws818 : Which is even worse
97 Superfly : Exactly!
98 Elite : Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.... just look around this forum, or try to bring up Fox News in any discussion you have with other people. Citing Fox here
99 Falcon84 : On the contrary. MSNBC gets attacked by those on the right who can't stand it; and conversely, FOX gets attacked by those on the left who can't stand
100 D L X : Really? That really surprises me coming from you. Selective amnesia?
101 DXing : Can you answer the question? Evidently not so let me carry your water again. Since you completely fail at essay, and true false wouldn't quite work h
102 FlyDeltaJets87 : Okay Falcon, let's look at the Governors of California list since 1900. I would say a combination of Gubernatorial voting trends and Presidential Ele
103 Seb146 : You failed to add "During war time." What, exactly does that have to do with quartering soldiers? And the "liberals" expanded government? Look at Cli
104 FlyDeltaJets87 : Let's be fair, and remember that part of the reason Clinton was unable to expand the government was because a Republican controlled Congress stopped
105 Superfly : All of those governors would fall in to the liberal wing of the Republican party today or would be Democrats today. The first environmentalist were a
106 DXing : Not necessary since they believe in lower taxes all the time. Services rendered without pay. Small potatoes compared to taking control of 1/6 of the
107 AverageUser : Congratulation to Ms. Palin! Journalism is hard work. Hope you have a lot of assistant researchers doing your homework for you. Will your ghostwriter
108 FlyDeltaJets87 : Indeed I did. Thanks for catching that. Where have I denied it 'Fly? The point I have been bringing up is that the parties did not just switch overni
109 Falcon84 : Thinking in 2010 terms, aren 't you? There's your problem, right there. You're thinking like a man in 2010, not a man under British rule in 1776, who
110 Dreadnought : For someone who pretends to have a history teacher for a father, it is either a testament on how poor our teachers have become, or else you did not l
111 DXing : Which is why she wasn't hired as one. She was hired as a "contributor" which means pundit. She is being paid for her opinions, not to pound the pavem
112 Falcon84 : I don't pretend, Charles. He taught American History at two high schools for 30 years in this area. Now, since you don't know a thing about my family
113 ATTart : Please, Sarah don't play the victim!!!
114 Dreadnought : Apparently not. Who is it that championed statism (the idea that rights flow from the government - that a "benevolent" government looks after the peo
115 Falcon84 : You just hit it on the head. What the political landscape was made of in 1776 or 1789, or 1865, is NOT the landscape of today. Party's have changed,
116 Dreadnought : And there is your problem. I've told you what you need to do, I can't help you any more. Do yourself a favor and look past the surface. Otherwise you
117 AverageUser : Which come dangerously close to her becoming hired because only she can act the part of Sarah Palin, and the actual current affairs part of the servi
118 Seb146 : "Read my lips: No New Taxes!!!" Where, exactly, in either health care bill does it say anything about covering illegals? How well did the immigration
119 Yellowstone : Dreadnought - you're misrepresenting liberalism. Falcon is essentially correct in his definition of conservatism; it is a position that generally adv
120 Airport : Now I'm not much a political person, I'm not really a democrat, and I'm not really a conversative. There are viewpoints I highly agree and disagree w
121 TheCol : I agree, you Americans need to think outside the box a little. For some reason, which is irrelevant, the tenants of Conservatism and Liberalism were
122 Dreadnought : Ah, finally somebody who thought about it - although I don't necessarily agree with your conclusions, I appreciate your taking a step back. Classical
123 Post contains links Johnboy : In the spirit of the original topic, Palin makes the rounds on Fox starting with Glenn Beck. Beck (putting on serious face): "Who's your favorite foun
124 Dreadnought : I have my own issues with that interview - namely that she let Beck guide the subject matter rather than taking control and offering topics and insig
125 Johnboy : We'll have to agree to disagree on that......her body language alone shows that she panicked. She frequently glanced down, averting his gaze to try t
126 AverageUser : I don't know if panicky is the right word, but she was hesitant and obviously at pains to say something that would be even slightly meaningful. I'd l
127 Seb146 : I agree. She did not sound or look "panicky" but rather trying to find a way to express her thoughts. Neither are Palin, Boener, Gingrich, Bush, Chen
128 Dreadnought : And that's precisely what she needs to learn to do, and this job at Fox is an ideal place to learn it. I want to see her develop that skill so that s
129 Airport : Personally, I very much disagree with her politics and I would rather not see her win in 2012. That being said, the American people will decide with
130 DXing : Which is all she needs to do since how Sarah Palin acts is evidently what a lot of people like about her. You cannot compare opinion and journalism.
131 AverageUser : So you cannot compare what Ms. Palin gets paid for to journalism. If a person is over 40 and still "developing her skills to formulate her thoughts",
132 Dreadnought : Articulate, not formulate. I have a problem in that I think much faster than I can speak or write, so I have difficulty in debate situations in that
133 DXing : I don't see how you can compare "paid" to "journalism" to begin with. One is compensation, the other is an occupation.
134 Yellowstone : Correct, perhaps, on the limited government part, but today's liberals are as dedicated to the preservation of individual freedom as ever. Remember R
135 Seb146 : Funny how things change; Republicans are unwilling to compromise (the party of NO) and cheerleaders like Beck, Hannity, Rush and so forth claim they
136 Dreadnought : A society can either be free or equal, but it cannot be both. Certainly, in the center there can be some semblance of compromise, but any such bargai
137 AverageUser : I'm doing no such comparison, I said: "So you cannot compare what Ms. Palin gets paid for to journalism." (The phrase is in bold) I'm writing the phr
138 D L X : Okay. Update now that I've seen a little bit of Palin on Fox. WHAT THE F? Okay, now she can't complain about the "liberal media" throwing gotcha quest
139 Dreadnought : What's kinda funny is that this is a sort of coming home for her. Wasn't her bachelor's degree in broadcast journalism or some such? We dealt with th
140 Yellowstone : And lengthy A.net threads! I think you exaggerate the problem. Yes, the achievement of true equality would require a loss of freedom, but no one in t
141 DXing : How you can say that with a straight face when the liberals are championing a bill that for the first time in our nations history will force and ordi
142 AverageUser : Was it? Need to do that background research. Let's see... She began college at Hawaii Pacific University, a private, nonsectarian school in Honolulu.
143 DXing : You can say "So you cannot compare what Ms. Palin gets paid for journalism" or "So you cannot compare what Ms. Palin gets paid to journalism" but "for
144 AverageUser : That's a different meaning. That's a different meaning as well. "What she gets paid" is a sum of money, whereas "what she gets paid for" means the ac
145 D L X : Sorry. I couldn't find it while wading through the 50 or so off topic posts. It was such a poor answer that even Glenn Beck had to call it what it wa
146 Yellowstone : The right to control all the money one makes is not a fundamental right--we established that back when we introduced the income tax. You're required
147 Seb146 : I see.... So, immigration (those coming from FOREIGN countries) is not the same thing as having troops in foreign countries? Further, speaking an OPI
148 TheCol : No, you are forgetting the transition point of American politics. The key colonists weren't traditionalists from either side of the spectrum. How on
149 Yellowstone : I agree that the particular positions that liberals endorse have changed over time, but if you look at the core ideas liberalism holds - securing hum
150 DXing : Those services are purchased with property taxes in most communities. I don't have to own property if I don't wish too. Never before has the governme
151 Post contains links Seb146 : How does speaking out against a war give comfort to the enemy? You realize, then, that those opposed to Vietnam were also giving comfort to the enemy
152 Dreadnought : To some extent, yes. How do you feel if the Pakistani, Iraqi or Afghan populations started protesting loudly against Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and other
153 Yellowstone : By that logic, any service funded by income taxes is voluntary, since you don't have to have an income if you don't want to. Of course, if we're not
154 D L X : Do any of you think that Sarah Palin could have this conversation? (A desperate attempt to bring you guys back from your WAY off topic side conversat
155 Post contains links DXing : And they too were also wrong to do it. As to your first question, that should be self evident. If the enemy hears our political leaders calling for t
156 Yellowstone : If my neighbor starts using a new fertilizer that makes his lawn thicker and greener, should I not go next door and ask him where he bought it?
157 D l x : If you haven't noticed, I haven't commented on your (plural) off topic posts. Now if you scroll up to the top of the page, it tells you what the topi
158 DXing : If you find out that the cost of that fertilzer outweighs the worth of the green lawn do you still buy it? Or do you look for a product that you can
159 Yellowstone : No, you don't, but you don't know that that's the case until you ask your neighbor about the fertilizer. Breaking out of the metaphor here, I'm not s
160 DXing : And they might also save us a bundle of money we don't have. Fix the 15% that doesn't work, leave the 85% that does alone.
161 Seb146 : But, there were American private contractors accused of that exact thing. Should we support them, as well? Hell, why should we even speak out against
162 Dreadnought : Nobody's talking about contractors. Kerry was talking about "soldiers", i.e. US Troops. Yes. That does not mean you must never do it, but you had bet
163 AGM100 : The anti war antics displayed by the democrats from 2003 forward can not be forgotten. And now their plea for unity around the president's health-car
164 Cws818 : If that is the best reason that either of you can come up with for supporting Palin, that doesn't speak too highly of her qualifications.
165 Srbmod : Since this thread has strayed well from the original topic and removing all of the off-topic posts would result in a large number of posts being delet
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