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Why Do Americans Accept So Much Less Vacation?  
User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6103 times:

I've always found this debate to be interesting.

Of all industrialized nations, it's not a little known fact that Americans work the longest and take the least time off. However, we have some of the lowest worker productivity statistics of the industrialized world. Countless research and studies have proved that a work force that gets more time off is happier, healthier, and ultimately more economically productive.

So my question is, why don't we as Americans take more vacation?

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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6578 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6085 times:



Quoting Cba (Thread starter):
However, we have some of the lowest worker productivity statistics of the industrialized world.

Actually, we have some of the highest productivity in the world.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/03/business/main3228735.shtml

As for why we don't take more vacation, it's largely because most people don't get much vacation. The average American only earns about 10-15 days of paid vacation per year and there are a significant number of Americans (mostly in low wage jobs) that earn no vacation at all.

Here's some numbers from the World Tourism Organization for annual days of paid vacation:

Italy 42 days
France 37 days
Germany 35 days
Brazil 34 days
United Kingdom 28 days
Canada 26 days
Korea 25 days
Japan 25 days
U.S. 13 days


User currently onlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8942 posts, RR: 40
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6076 times:

Maybe they are happier at work:

Are Americans Really Abject Workaholics?



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6042 times:



Quoting PPVRA (Reply 2):
Maybe they are happier at work:

It's sad, but true for me. I got bumped off of two flights today trying to go somewhere. After the 2nd bump, I relented, went home, and asked work to call me if they need me, and they did. So here I am, at work.



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User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6037 times:



Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 1):
As for why we don't take more vacation, it's largely because most people don't get much vacation. The average American only earns about 10-15 days of paid vacation per year and there are a significant number of Americans (mostly in low wage jobs) that earn no vacation at all.

Here's some numbers from the World Tourism Organization for annual days of paid vacation:

Italy 42 days
France 37 days
Germany 35 days
Brazil 34 days
United Kingdom 28 days
Canada 26 days
Korea 25 days
Japan 25 days
U.S. 13 days

You're correct; the fact that Americans earn significantly less vacation is a large part of the problem. This statistic stems from the fact that we seem to value time off much less than other nations.

The 35 hour work week and 5 weeks of paid vacation is a step too far in the other direction, however 3 weeks of vacation, as opposed to the 13 days on average we get doesn't seem like too much.


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6029 times:



Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 1):
Here's some numbers from the World Tourism Organization for annual days of paid vacation:

Italy 42 days
France 37 days
Germany 35 days
Brazil 34 days
United Kingdom 28 days
Canada 26 days
Korea 25 days
Japan 25 days
U.S. 13 days

Is this true, Americans only get 13 days of paid vacation? I can't believe that!  Wow!

In Germany it is usually 30 days (and not 35 as listed above). Personally I have 30 days/year and additionally one so called "AZV" day per month, makes 42 days like the Italians have. Big grin

Patrick


User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5419 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6023 times:



Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 1):
Here's some numbers from the World Tourism Organization for annual days of paid vacation:
Italy 42 days
France 37 days
Germany 35 days
Brazil 34 days
United Kingdom 28 days
Canada 26 days
Korea 25 days
Japan 25 days
U.S. 13 days

What are the numbers for China and India?

Tugg



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6023 times:



Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 1):
As for why we don't take more vacation, it's largely because most people don't get much vacation. The average American only earns about 10-15 days of paid vacation per year and there are a significant number of Americans (mostly in low wage jobs) that earn no vacation at all.

I get 10 vacation days a year and I try to use as few of them as possible by taking long weekends (Thursday or Friday through Monday.), and cash out as many of them as I can at the end of the year (I set aside that money for one of my long weekends.). I could take longer vacations, but being a route driver, I really don't have anyone that can effectively and efficiently cover my routes (I learned this the hard way a few years back when our sales manager at the time covered my route for three days while I took a long weekend off. It took me a month to get all of the accounts he worked straightened out. After that, I decided to bust my hump before a trip and have the sales manager handle as few of my accounts as possible.).

Even if I had more than 10 days a year, I'd probably still use no more than 5 to 7 of them unless my employer required me to take them in certain increments (I've had several jobs where you had to take them in five day blocks.).

My grandfather when he retired, had nearly four months of vacation and sick days banked and his retirement did not become official until all of those days were used up. His last day on the job was in December, his official retirement date was in March.


User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6022 times:

I think it's just one of those things in American business that for whatever reason, has never changed. However, as our businesses become more multi-national, I think we will slowly see more American QOL bastions broached.

If I ever get one of my companies off paper and into existence will offer four weeks of vacation and a 9-4 schedule. A slightly shortened work day tends to make workers a lot more happy and productive (as opposed to wasting hours around the watercooler or on the internet).



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6003 times:



Quoting JCS17 (Reply 9):
A slightly shortened work day tends to make workers a lot more happy and productive (as opposed to wasting hours around the watercooler or on the internet).

But what about those whose job is to test water coolers and scour the web?  duck 



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User currently offlineA333TS From Canada, joined May 2008, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6004 times:



Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 1):
Here's some numbers from the World Tourism Organization for annual days of paid vacation:

Italy 42 days
France 37 days
Germany 35 days
Brazil 34 days
United Kingdom 28 days
Canada 26 days
Korea 25 days
Japan 25 days
U.S. 13 days

I personally don't know anybody (non of the people that I have met) that have 26 days of paid vacation in Canada. (I get 2 weeks which is 10 working days)


A333TS


User currently offlineSbworcs From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 836 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5990 times:

I get 27 days plus 8 Bank Holidays in the UK.


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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4626 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5979 times:

In Ireland you get anything from 20-30.

My last job was 20 for my level, then increased to 23. Higher levels were 25. They also introduced long service leave at 1 extra day per 2 years service. Previously you got 5 days at 10 years service, but with most people not staying that long (as there has been a historical change - no longer "job for life") they changed it for the better imho. Annual leave was capped at 30 days.

In Australia, I always had 20 days.

This of course is not including all the usual public holidays (Easter, Christmas, New Year, and about 4-5 other days thrown in).

I couldn't deal with less than 20 - with 20, I'd take a week off every 3 months. Nowadays I'll shove 10 days together with public holidays to take just over 2 weeks to go to Australia to see my family and use the others as convenient.



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User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5968 times:



Quoting JCS17 (Reply 9):
If I ever get one of my companies off paper and into existence will offer four weeks of vacation and a 9-4 schedule. A slightly shortened work day tends to make workers a lot more happy and productive (as opposed to wasting hours around the watercooler or on the internet).

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I couldn't agree more. We should switch to task-based work schedules as opposed to strict hours in as many jobs as possible. If anything, we're wasting resources by keeping someone in the office an extra hour (and their lights and computer on) or two per day if they've finished everything that they can do that day.

I realize that this wouldn't work everywhere, but many jobs could be shifted to this model.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8188 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5950 times:

I have to admit that the time I spent in Australia was some of the best working years I had. Not only was there a month off, but there was also "holiday loading". And more national holidays.

In terms of performance, I don't really believe that workers in the US are any more productive on an individual level than the Australians. Maybe fewer health issues, certainly a better quality of life in the work/family balance areas.

On the other side of the coin, working for myself provided BOTH the need to work longer days many, many times AND the ability to take time off when available without looking at the calendar. That's why, after getting my little company going, I was able to take my time in overseas travel - going earlier to avoid travel related delays and returning slower in order to avoid jet lag.


User currently offlineIH8BY From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1141 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5923 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 10):
But what about those whose job is to test water coolers and scour the web?

Do they waste their days surreptitiously playing around on Excel and going to meetings? Do they amass huge backlogs of Facebook profiles to check and cups of water to drink, and have to recruit temps to catch up?



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 36
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5924 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 5):
In Germany it is usually 30 days (and not 35 as listed above).

Thats what I got in Germany as well, but I also banked my over time, so I usually had a good 45 days off each year (not including all those long weekends).

Quoting A333TS (Reply 11):
I personally don't know anybody (non of the people that I have met) that have 26 days of paid vacation in Canada. (I get 2 weeks which is 10 working days)

Most people in Canada get the 4% or 10 days off a year, unless your work contract has better vacation time. Right now I'm up to 15 days a year and I'll hit 30 days in about 20 years or so ...  cry 

However, since we have 12 hour days, most of us have 3-5 day weekends depending on hour shift rotation. So if you plan your holidays right, you can get 14 days off with only using 3-4 of your holiday days Big grin

The one thing I dislike about Canadian vacation pay, is that you have to "earn" it, so in other words, you have to work full time for one complete year before you've "earned" the 10 days. I like the way I had it in Germany, once you're probation was up you get your 30 days a year that kicked in the first day, so you don't have to wait a whole year to take a reasonable amount of time off.

[Edited 2010-01-11 15:10:42]


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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5905 times:



Quoting PPVRA (Reply 2):
Maybe they are happier at work:

I know I am.

Last year my annual vacation got bumped from 2 to 3 work weeks as part of my annual review; this year I got two extra "bonus" vacation days making for 17 work days of vacation that I have to use by December 31st (or forfeit), not including a decent number (but by no means "government level") of company/state/national holidays. I'd much rather have two weeks and more $$$ but....

Last year I found myself with four days of vacation left at the end of December. So the last two weeks looked like

12/23 - Vacation
12/24-25 - Company Holiday
12/26-27 - Weekend
12/28-30 - Vacation
12/31-1/1 - Company Holiday
1/2-1/3 - Weekend

So twelve full days out of the office. I swear, had it been 13 I would have lost it; as it was I can honestly say that I've never been happier to go back to work. If I'm in the same situation at the end of this year, I'd much rather "throw away" a few days than put myself through that again.

Lincoln



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3354 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5859 times:



Quoting A333TS (Reply 11):
I personally don't know anybody (non of the people that I have met) that have 26 days of paid vacation in Canada. (I get 2 weeks which is 10 working days)

10 days is the legal minimum for full time employees

Your bosses probably get at least 20 days (mine do) plus banked overtime, and my parents get 5 and 6 weeks respectively. That number is for the most senior people I think and I bet it includes Stat Holidays in which we get about 10 plus 3 weeks vacation.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 17):
Most people in Canada get the 4% or 10 days off a year, unless your work contract has better vacation time. Right now I'm up to 15 days a year and I'll hit 30 days in about 20 years or so ... cry

I get 10 days as well but I can bank up to 20 days of overtime and if I'm not sick I get half my sick days allowed which is 10 so add another week as well to a max of 7 weeks technically. This sounds well but since I am a construction inspector almost all of this has to be used in the winter and even getting one day off from May to November is not always possible, also 7-7 or longer days are expected every day if we are busy enough.



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User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5848 times:

Quoting Cba (Thread starter):
Of all industrialized nations, it's not a little known fact that Americans work the longest and take the least time off.

I think Australia is quite high on that list too.

My leave per year (called Recreation Leave, or REC for short) accrues up to a maximum amount, where I must take the time off. If I hit the limit (which is 40 days if I remember right), automatic notices in the Employee Self Service system start and someone comes along as says you must take leave because you have too much.

After 7 years of service, I start to accrue LSL (long service leave).

I also have other types of leave:
Sick Leave
Extended Leave
Long Service Leave
Family & Community Service
Study Leave
Paternity leave
Concessional
Banked Time
Public Holiday
Military Leave
Leave Without Pay
Flexileave
1/2 Day Flexileave
Special

Military leave is a special one. It is not allowed for employers to forbid that - they can be in serious trouble with the law if they do try and forbid it. It typically covers military reserve people who are deployed. This one doesn't cover me as I don't serve in the armed forces (only civil service for me).

Flexileave (or flex for short) is the time you accrue when you work in excess of the normal 7 hours per day (or 420 hours in the 3 month settlement period). We don't get overtime, but these hours accrue as flex time once you get over 420 hours in the 3 month period. For example, if I work 425 hours in that period, I have 5 hours flex that accrues.

However, if I work 437 hours, then that is 17 hours extra, and I can only carry over 10 hours. So you have to then "bank" the rest. So what you'd do is accrue 10 hours of flex, and bank the 7 hours left-over into your banked time. You can save a maximum of 42 hours of banked time. If you approach that limit, you take a day or two off as Banked Time.

The Flex time can be taken as Flexileave (7 hours) or a half-Flex (3.5 hours). Or you can use it to have flexible working hours, so long as the core working hours are covered by adequate amounts of staff. So one day, I might work 6 hours, and another I might do 8 hours, etc. Or I might come in to work late, and leave late, or the reverse, etc.

[Edited 2010-01-11 16:42:54 by cpd]

User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5669 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5845 times:



Quoting Sbworcs (Reply 11):
8 Bank Holidays

What if the date of the bank holiday happens to be Saturday or Sunday? Tough luck or do you get the Friday before or Monday after respectively off?


User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1688 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5844 times:

At my part time job, I get quite a bit of time off compared to other part time jobs. I get all bank holidays off, which is something I haven't heard of at any other part time job other than tellering at a bank.

My parents are both salaried, and get quite a bit of paid time off. My dad get 28 paid days off, and 5 floating holidays. That doesn't include sick-time, and I don't know how much of that he gets. My mom gets 14 days paid, 3 floating holidays, and all bank holidays off. Once again, that doesn't include sick-time.



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User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5830 times:



Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 20):
What if the date of the bank holiday happens to be Saturday or Sunday?

That's the one thing I don't get - but in place of the bank holiday, I get a public service holiday on 29 December.

If our public holidays fall on a weekend, then the following Monday is taken off.


User currently offlineFr8Mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5350 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5802 times:

Quick question: Is the vacation mandated by law in countries outside the US? That could answer your question.

For the record, with 20 years, I have 5 weeks of vacation, 8 holidays and 5 days of personal time.



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5797 times:



Quoting Lincoln (Reply 17):
So twelve full days out of the office. I swear, had it been 13 I would have lost it; as it was I can honestly say that I've never been happier to go back to work.

About six years back at my old job, I took my week's vacation for that year and at the time, I worked Monday through Friday. So by the time I returned to work, I had been off nine days straight, and had been home from my trip for three days. Those three days I was bored out of my gourd.


Years back, my department at the store I worked at tried working the full time employees four days a week, working a 10 hour shift and giving us three days off each week (Two of them would on occasion be back to back.). Each week, two of us within the department worked this schedule, one on the opening shift and one on the closing shift. It lasted about two months before they scrapped it, as all four of us who were on this schedule all had the same complaint. By that third off day, you didn't know what to do with yourself. I had friends a few years later whose jobs put their positions on a four day work week with three off days in a row and the novelty wore off rather quickly.


25 PVGAMS : I can tell you that China's holiday policy as published by the government is "115 days including weekends" In 2010 this equates to 15 official vacati
26 Aeri28 : let's not generalize American's vacation days. I get 20 v days per year, plus 5 "do what I want" days at my present job which I've been at 4 years now
27 LTBEWR : In Europe, I think there is much more dominace of unions as well as a much stronger concept of workers rights vs. employers than in the USA to push fo
28 LTU932 : In Costa Rica, you only get 10 days of vacation, if you're lucky maybe even a bit extra over Christmas. It's similar with kids who go to school, they
29 Luckyone : That is indeed what I would see as the norm. After my 90-day period of whatever it's called I had two weeks prorated vacation on hire, at age 22. Now
30 Lincoln : I think that's tough to generalize: For example, when I started my current position 4-ish years ago I started June 20th. I was immediately given a fu
31 Falcon84 : I don't have to accept less. I get 4 standard weeks off, and can basically "purchase" two more, which I think is worth doing. That's 6 weeks, far more
32 N1120A : A lot get just 10 days. Or none at all. People in non-service industry jobs get plenty of holidays as well. Same in the US, though some places let yo
33 YooYoo : when i started my current job 13 years ago i got 10 days, now i'm up to 20 days.
34 Nws2002 : As other's have pointed out we actually have some of the highest, but I question exactly how those numbers are reached. I also question how they come
35 Post contains links Elite : 17 days plus every Sunday is listed as a "General Holiday" here in Hong Kong... nice little breakdown list provided by the government website: http://
36 Lincoln : Sadly, I know... it make "wasting" vacation (either not using it, or using it by lounging around the house) that much more painful. When my dad left
37 Andaman : I have 33 days now, goes up to 39 days next year (after 15y of service), plus the public holidays, 9? this year. Sorry if I repeat myself, but last ye
38 Falcon84 : Maybe this is stirring the pot, but with all these vacations days around the world-which are nice-how does any meaningful work get done? Everyone alwa
39 TristarAtLCA : You do indeed get the holiday carried over to the next available weekday, usually a Monday, like our Boxing day bank holiday this year fell on a Satu
40 Cpd : Easy, we work very productively when we are at work. You need a break sometimes - otherwise you won't work in a productive fashion.
41 Pellegrine : I need at least 6 weeks vacation a year, if not 8. I don't live on anyone else's clock. I also like to see my family and friends spontaneously and oft
42 WildcatYXU : It depends on the company and/or your own arrangement with it (or on the collective agreement, if you're unionized). When I started the previous job,
43 Aeri28 : I should have mentioned as well, as some others have, that we get holidays off which adds 6-7 days per year depending on your state. In Hawaii, we get
44 Ken777 : And that almost gets you up to a Year 1 employee in Australia. I'd forgotten about the long service leave. Wife's brother & his wife both work in med
45 Asuflyer05 : I think a lot of it stems from the fact that there is always someone willing to do your job for less pay and less benefits in this country.
46 Cactus739 : I've been with my employer since October of 2001. I get 20 days of vacation per year. 9 or so holidays off per year. 2 personal days per years. That's
47 Elite : That problem has to be present in other areas as well... especially in Western European countries, now with the EU and the ability of people to move
48 AerorobNZ : I couldn't work like that.... It'd drive me insane... I'm currently sitting on 42 days leave + Rostered days off = 62 days paid leave/ almost 9 weeks
49 ACDC8 : Our previous management had "coupons" for a short period of time, but they went back to the standard system after a few years of that. It does depend
50 TurkishWings : Talking about paid vacations, do you guys work 5 days a week or 6? I think this is an important point to consider... Here in Turkey (in service indust
51 ManuCH : Everyone gets at least 20 days of vacation (mandatory) in Switzerland. Government jobs usually get you 25, and when you turn 50 it adds another 5 days
52 LAXintl : I think 10 days, or 15 days max for a tenured employee annualy is plenty. Having worked overseas, the amount of time off, and seeming business time lo
53 Pellegrine : Which is exactly why I work for myself and sign my own checks. I'm not about to have someone tell me 10 days is plenty, and if you're sick or need a
54 Post contains images Cpd : They might find it annoying if you are observing a national holiday as well. The fact that the process falls over when a "key player" isn't available
55 Post contains images AA757MIA : Are you an employee or an employer? Which is the reason why we get less vacation time, I believe, it's not required by law as far as I know. It is in
56 JJJ : Here the law is 30 natural days which means that if you discount weekends, it's 4 weeks + 2 days. Some companies can negotiate with their workers for
57 ManuCH : If I might add something to this: I am an employer, but at the same time of course I work for my company. I know I need all the 20 vacation days our l
58 Dragon6172 : I always find that I run out of money before I run out of vacation.
59 Post contains links Nighthawk : In the UK you now must get a minimum 5.6 weeks of paid leave (28 days for someone who works 5 days a week). this includes bank holidays, of which ther
60 WildcatYXU : The general length of the work week around here is 5 days. However, I had many 12 day work weeks...no, I don't work in service industry.
61 Aaron747 : Utter nonsense. This kind of attitude demonstrates unfortunate ignorance of the proven benefits of things that improve employee morale and productivi
62 WildcatYXU : Well, if they're happy with scraping the bottom of the barrel - all power to them.
63 WrenchBender : You get what you pay for I get 3 months, yes MONTHS paid vacation a year. Over here it varies from contract to contract whether paid leave, paid trav
64 AM744 : In Mexico, by law it's 6 days after 1 year, 8, 10, 12 for the next years. 14 from the 5th to the 10th year. Some companies do award 10 days from the f
65 Max999 : On the federal level, there are no laws which require any vacation days. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I also believe there are no state/local
66 LAXintl : Well luckily, we only really have 3 or 4 majorly observed national holidays in the US. Companies are free to pick and choose what they observe. No no
67 Kappel : In the Netherlands, the minimum by law is 20 working days per year, assuming a five day workweek. So if somebody works 4 days, they get 16 working da
68 JJJ : You're self-employed. You chose to take a risk by depending only on yourself for salary and job schedule, but also you'll directly reap benefits. Emp
69 WildcatYXU : Regardless of the business sector, with such employment policy the employees will permanently look for something better for them. Only the ones unabl
70 Aaron747 : I'll take the work culture benefits and revenue rewards of employees with high motivation and morale any day over offices full of frustrateds showing
71 LAXintl : Yes I am self employed running a business now, but this does not mean I was never an employee. My views of the adequacy of 10-15days vacation max in
72 Bhill : I would guess that unions are stronger or more politically savvy outside the US?
73 Flighty : Several issues here. Some researchers think that the French tax structure, for example, strongly discourages working. It's more proper for a French pe
74 Flipdewaf : Weekends off though! T Think of all those people who have to work 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year! You don't have it so bad. Fred
75 Kappel : I work in the field of taxation in an international sense. And so do my US colleagues. So yes, it is their job to understand treaties. I understand t
76 OA412 : Just because people are willing to work for bare minimum benefits because they have bills to pay does not mean that they are happy to be doing so. Wh
77 Post contains links Aa757first : http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20572828/ The U.N. divided GDP by the number of people currently working. So then you have to take a vacation and let stu
78 Post contains links MoltenRock : Why Do Americans Accept So Much Less Vacation? So they can pay their Visa credit card bills racking up at 29.99% interest on their average debt of $10
79 Cpd : Well, they make you take leave as soon as is convenient. If you do take leave, arrangements are in place so that work doesn't pile up. If someone goe
80 Cpd : I forgot to reply about this one. What I would say is that everyone must remember that workers are not robots - they need to be looked after as well.
81 Ken777 : It's amazing how much something like that can help improve individual performance. At the same time employers want people who will work hard for them
82 4holer : Couple of observations: I'm a Chemist, and whatever field I've worked (pharmaceutical, municipal, chemical manufacturing, analytical), I've never pers
83 AerorobNZ : Woah... By comparison... Since 2004/5 I've taken 28 Weeks worth of paid annual leave (overseas holidays). I see what you mean about being conditioned
84 JJJ : That's the key. It's your decission on how you value your time off. You can't expect a whole country to live by your standards. There's many people h
85 AerorobNZ : True, but at least it sits waiting for you if you ever need it, and can be cashed out when you leave the company. Over time I know some people in my
86 JJJ : Can't be done here. The law is you take your yearly vacation allowance by Jan 15th of the following year (either cashing it or actually taking vacati
87 Post contains links AverageUser : At least with the State it's now 38 days, and can now be used throughout the year. "Kun lauantai ei enää vie lomapäivää, enimmillään lomapäiv
88 Post contains images Racko : I sure as hell need my 6 weeks of vacation. Gives me the power to work at 100% when I work. And the fact that even the "laziest", the Italians manage
89 LAXintl : Good point. Take too much time off and two things could happen. 1- Company realizes it can live without you happily and your position is eliminated 2
90 CasInterest : Wow, I feel blessed, I work in the US and get 25 days of vacation/sick time 2 days of floating holidays, and 8 normal holidays ie Labor, memorial, 4th
91 JJJ : I didn't mean the two weeks std but rather what you told you took: I am sure there are lots of Americans who value time off much more than you, and w
92 Racko : That's another thing, in Germany sick leave has nothing to do with vacation. By law you get 6 weeks of paid sick leave, then the health insurance kic
93 FlyPNS1 : It is possible, though varies by employer. Some employers have a short-term disbability feature that would kick in...usually after 5 or more days of
94 LAXintl : Actualy remember there is no mandated Federal requirement to provide you with any paid sick or vacation time whatsoever in the US. Whatever employers
95 CasInterest : Short term disability would probably apply, but it depends.
96 Lincoln : State law can affect this, though. As N1120A pointed out earlier, for example, under California law vacation time is considered an earned benefit and
97 N1120A : And the payment must be made at the current rate of pay, not the rate when earned.
98 Flynlr : oddly enough this thread made me look up the benefits I currently earn, base vacation is 160 hours a year sick leave if I use it 100 hours a year, Pai
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