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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1786 times:
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Our company is issuing us Blackberries, but they are extremely restricted. We can't install any third party applications, use the blue tooth printing function, or have a non-company email on them. If I were to buy an unlocked Blackberry from ebay would I be able to put my sim card in it and use those functions on the unlocked phone?


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User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2793 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1784 times:



Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
If I were to buy an unlocked Blackberry from ebay would I be able to put my sim card in it and use those functions on the unlocked phone?

Yes, you can. Those restrictions are placed on the BlackBerry itself, and not the sim card. Correct me if I'm wrong though, but that is what I think from my experience.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24893 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

You'd be defeating and potentialy compromising exactly what WOA is trying to do to control and keep a close lid on its data and network.
If you want a personal phone go for it, however I would avoid trying to game the system and use it to access and store company materials which might compromise your employer, be in violation of data security restrictions with its customers (read DoD) and ultimately yourself.



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User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5127 posts, RR: 34
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1724 times:

If you buy an unlocked blackberry you can do what you want with it, add emails, add applications etc. however depending on how your companies systems are configured, you may find they are locked down and only accessible to authorised devices. Therefore if you buy your own blackberry you may not be able to access your work email from it.

All blackberries must be tied to either the public blackberry servers, or your own companies blackberry server if they have one. Your company will probably run their own, and you wont be able to just add any device to it, as such you wont get any work emails from it. Additionally, security restrictions are probably applied from this server, so if you did connect to it, your phone would become locked down again.

If your email account is accessible externally however, you may be able to tie your phone to the public servers, and instead access your email through them.

Personally I would just accept the fact that its locked down, your job may be at risk if you circumnavigate the security procedures. Buy a second phone for personal use.



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User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2793 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1722 times:



Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 3):

Personally I would just accept the fact that its locked down, your job may be at risk if you circumnavigate the security procedures. Buy a second phone for personal use.

Best course of action - many people go this way. Get an Apple iPhone, trust me - with a BB and an iPhone you'll be all set.


User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2994 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1700 times:
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One of 3 things will happen if you try to activate your own BB to you company's BlackBerry Enterprise Server:
1> It won't activate because the PIN/model isn't on the Enterprise Policy
2> It will activate but you will get all the restrictions from the ITPolicy it pushes, and all your own email will be disabled, 3rd party apps will stop working, etc, worse getting rid of an ITPolicy if you ever want off the BES is a pain on it's own (no it doesn't go away simply by wiping the device).
3> It will activate as per 2 but will also generate a security alert and you'll get a nasty phone call/email/deskside chat from your IT/ISec people.

so your options are: run around with 2 BlackBerries, get a non-Blackberry smartphone device (iphone or android would be my recommendation), just settle for the work BB and live with it.

BTW which model are you getting?



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User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2793 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1695 times:



Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
or have a non-company email on them.

A way to work around this, although not very effectively, is just to bookmark your email in the BlackBerry Browser. Some emails like Gmail have excellent mobile sites, so you can just hit the bookmark and check every once in a while, or however often you like.


User currently offlineFxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7197 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1676 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
I would avoid trying to game the system and use it to access and store company materials which might compromise your employer, be in violation of data security restrictions with its customers

Agree 100%.

Companies are very funny about stuff they issue their employees. In my dept. at work last year, security almost fired two globe travelers for using their world wide access with a personal sim card. My advice would be get a cheap refurb off eBay.

You'd look a lot cooler with two phones on your belt.  Silly


User currently offlineVarigB707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1673 times:

You shouldn't have a problem. At work, we are still using the Two-Way phones from Nextel, without any other function, except the (two0way). I bought my own Blackberry and i switched the SIM car and, pronto! I'm a happy camper. I can even browse A.net.

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21418 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1643 times:



Quoting VarigB707 (Reply 8):
You shouldn't have a problem. At work, we are still using the Two-Way phones from Nextel, without any other function, except the (two0way). I bought my own Blackberry and i switched the SIM car and, pronto! I'm a happy camper. I can even browse A.net.

That does not apply when your company actually has a security model implemented on their Blackberries.


User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2525 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1632 times:



Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 5):
1> It won't activate because the PIN/model isn't on the Enterprise Policy
2> It will activate but you will get all the restrictions from the ITPolicy it pushes, and all your own email will be disabled, 3rd party apps will stop working, etc, worse getting rid of an ITPolicy if you ever want off the BES is a pain on it's own (no it doesn't go away simply by wiping the device).
3> It will activate as per 2 but will also generate a security alert and you'll get a nasty phone call/email/deskside chat from your IT/ISec people.

This is pretty much spot on... Assuming you can connect to the enterprise server it will just push the security features to your phone automatically. Any time we get a new BB it takes some time for it to fully activate. During that time we can use BB messenger etc, but the second it becomes active on the enterprise server it's locked down.

Best course of action is to talk to your IT people and ask if there's a way to get the stuff installed. We had a new server installed that blocked out a lot of things, including the best application by far - Google Maps. Contacted IT and they had no problem allowing that.

A BB is not something to lose your job over, it is very easy for them to monitor what you're doing on it.


User currently offlineVarigB707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1631 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 9):
That does not apply when your company actually has a security model implemented on their Blackberries.


we don't use blackberries at work. I am the only one who does. Everyone else's using a regular Nextel set. That's what i meant.


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1542 times:
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Well I came up with the easiest solution. I asked IT if I could buy an unlocked blackberry and have it put on the enterprise server, and they said yes. Therefore I get my phone with apps, and world wide service all paid for by the company.


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