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User currently offlineAg92 From India, joined Jul 2006, 1317 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4428 times:

Well here is the aim, and for some reason I don't think its possible in this day and age, but I am traveling tomorrow night from Asia to America on British Airways with a transit at London Heathrow, and was wondering if there was a way to get my british citizen friends to meet me airside as I am an Indian citizen and not eligible for a transit visa on arrival. Any solution would be appropriate, and we were just thinking of maybe doing a system where they have a noshow on their tickets, but that wouldnt work either because of the price, but if it is reasonable then we would be willing to do it

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User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3376 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4419 times:



Quoting Ag92 (Thread starter):
was wondering if there was a way to get my british citizen friends to meet me airside

No.



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User currently offlineOhthedrama747 From UK - Scotland, joined Jan 2005, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4382 times:



Quoting Ag92 (Thread starter):

Unless they possess a ticket they have no chance, plain and simple.


User currently offlineAjd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4343 times:

The only way is if they have a ticket or you have a visa.

User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4703 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4332 times:

Or if they work at LHR...


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User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5670 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4324 times:

Can you reschedule tickets once you have checked in? I would think so as I have shifted mine to at least the next flight at times. So would it be possible to get a ticket, check in, go to "inside" and then reschedule to a date that you actually need? (I don't know what the airlines can or would do, and how far out they are willing to move a ticket. I am certain there would be a fee)

Tugg



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26593 posts, RR: 75
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4274 times:



Quoting Tugger (Reply 5):
Can you reschedule tickets once you have checked in? I would think so as I have shifted mine to at least the next flight at times. So would it be possible to get a ticket, check in, go to "inside" and then reschedule to a date that you actually need? (I don't know what the airlines can or would do, and how far out they are willing to move a ticket. I am certain there would be a fee)

What are you specifically talking about? The OP's friends going inside? The only way they could really do it is by buying a fully refundable ticket and CXing it, while losing part of their credit line for probably a week.



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User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4266 times:



Quoting Ag92 (Thread starter):
and was wondering if there was a way to get my british citizen friends to meet me airside

Not possible.



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User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5670 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4255 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
What are you specifically talking about? The OP's friends going inside? The only way they could really do it is by buying a fully refundable ticket and CXing it, while losing part of their credit line for probably a week.

Yes, that is what I was referring to.

So it would seem that it is possible to get "airside" and then not travel but there will be some type of financial hit either temporary or a fee for a ticket change (which of course means they need to have a need for a ticket later on or they just lose the cost of the ticket).

Tugg



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8455 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4197 times:
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With the current security situation, buyng a ticket at short notice, checking in with no luggage then "changing your mind" about boarding is going to get you some significant attention.


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User currently offlineVarigb707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4187 times:

Send them postcards. Oh yeah, try not to do what some guy did at EWR. You may get in trouble.
Bye for now.


User currently offlineWestJetForLife From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 814 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4170 times:



Quoting Ag92 (Thread starter):
wondering if there was a way to get my british citizen friends to meet me airside

Not a chance.

When I was doing my stint at UPS working airside, I got a briefing that I was to wear my RAIC (restricted area identity card, similar to a U.S. SIDA pass) at all times while on the ramp or face a $250 fine and possible detainment for 'trespassing on airport property'.

Suffice it to say, unless they have a RAIC/SIDA or whatever the Hell the British call it security cards and/or a job at LHR, they won't get through the security checkpoint.

Nik



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4137 times:



Quoting Andz (Reply 9):
With the current security situation, buyng a ticket at short notice, checking in with no luggage then "changing your mind" about boarding is going to get you some significant attention.

Best post I have read on this thread so far.

Your friends could buy full fare fully refundable tickets to destination X leaving from the same terminal but I would refer to the above post first.

Better you do without going air side. Say goodbye before security and immigration.

I hope you will enjoy your trip.



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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4131 times:
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Quoting Andz (Reply 9):
With the current security situation, buyng a ticket at short notice, checking in with no luggage then "changing your mind" about boarding is going to get you some significant attention.

If they really want to meet, getting "significant attention" isn't a problem - it's not that they're doing anything illegal.

I would buy a fully refundable ticket, go airside, then "change my mind", cancel the ticket and get a refund. And I'd also show up early to allow some time for the extra scrutiny...



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User currently offline747438 From UK - England, joined Jan 2007, 838 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4098 times:



Quoting ManuCH (Reply 13):
And I'd also show up early to allow some time for the extra scrutiny...

Yes and allow some serious extra time afterwards too. This is a highly irresponsible action.


User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4097 times:
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Quoting 747438 (Reply 14):
Yes and allow some serious extra time afterwards too.

I'm trying to picture all this. If I am airside then re-exist, at what time will they "bust" me? What people do you meet in LHR when going from airside to landside? Will the customs official ask me "where are you coming from?", and when answering "from nowhere" I will be taken to secondary screening?



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8455 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4091 times:
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Quoting ManuCH (Reply 15):

You arrive at the airport and buy a ticket.
You then present yourself for check in with no luggage.
Assuming there are no alarm bells, you go through security and have your pointless little jolly with your friends.
The flight is called, they are a passenger short, the flight eventually leaves.
Little social visit over, you go back through security and ask for a refund.
The flight has left without you but you checked in, why should you be entitled to anything?

Even if you pulled this move with a flight leaving much later than the end of your visit and you manage not to inconvenience the rest of the passengers on your "flight", I think it is a stupid pointless plan.



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User currently offlineSignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 3014 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4087 times:

With some advance notice, the best option might be for them to buy a return ticket to the closest destination, eg Manchester, from LHR, then go through security, spend some time with you, take their flight and have a quick turnaround before coming back to London. Or get a one-way and a train back, as there are some cheap one way book in advance train fares out there too...
If this is at short notice, how much is a walk-up fare to MAN? There's a oneway tomorrow for £85, departing in the evening...

signol



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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4064 times:
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Quoting Andz (Reply 16):
Even if you pulled this move with a flight leaving much later than the end of your visit and you manage not to inconvenience the rest of the passengers on your "flight", I think it is a stupid pointless plan.

Of course you'd have to do it with a flight leaving much later, so that you can un-check yourself in, free up the space on the flight and get a refund. Or is the refund void from the moment you check in, even if you "un check yourself" later?

Stupid and pointless, yes. But if it's the only solution, why not.

Quoting Signol (Reply 17):
With some advance notice, the best option might be for them to buy a return ticket to the closest destination, eg Manchester, from LHR, then go through security, spend some time with you, take their flight and have a quick turnaround before coming back to London.

That's not any different from a security point of view.

The only reason why someone has to do this "stupid and pointless" plan is because airports don't allow people to go airside without a ticket. As you can see, it can be with a ticket but without leaving the airport - a waste of resources. So why not change it?

[Edited 2010-01-15 07:40:17]


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User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5670 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4047 times:



Quoting 747438 (Reply 14):
This is a highly irresponsible action.

Why is it "highly irresponsible"? If it follows the rules, i.e. they have a ticket and go through security, what is so bad about it? So what if people want to meet someone airside, they went through security so their is no risk to the airlines, airport, or passengers. And if they bought a ticket and then reschedule (or refund it if that is an option) they are doing the same as thousands of others do on a daily basis.

Quoting Andz (Reply 16):
The flight is called, they are a passenger short, the flight eventually leaves.

As I envision it this would not happen. After you meet with your friends you then go to any gate desk and ask for your flight to be changed or whatever. As long as you have enough time prior to flight, (say six hours?) they should do it. I know for a fact that you can at least reschedule your flight, for a fee.

Quoting Andz (Reply 16):
Even if you pulled this move with a flight leaving much later than the end of your visit and you manage not to inconvenience the rest of the passengers on your "flight",

HOw does it inconvienience the other passengers? The flight isn't being delayed because of this.

Quoting Andz (Reply 16):
I think it is a stupid pointless plan.

We do lots of stupid and pointless things as humans: We like to go to airports and take pictures which apparently scares the heck out of a lot of people and security is sometime overly concerned by. We like to take short flights in rented planes for a lunch somewhere and then come straight back. We like to jump out of perfectly good airplanes just for a few moments of joy and freedom in the sky. How many unnecessary things does any person do just because it is enjoyable?

If it can be done legally and safely why does anyone care if it is "pointless"?

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 18):
Or is the refund void from the moment you check in, even if you "un check yourself" later?

I am wondering this same thing. My only guess is that it is likely not refundable and one should plan on having to just reschedule to a day when you actually need to fly.

I find it curious the passions that this question has stirred. Its as if people think this is something bad or dangerous. Its not like this is talking about skirting security. And if this is a problem for the airlines then they will have policies in place to protect themselves (as I mentioned, I don't think they will refund the money, they will likely charge a fee, and they may not even allow a significant change once you are checked in).This is just discussing the best, safe way to meet someone airside at an airport.

Tugg



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User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4027 times:



Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 1):
No.



Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
Not possible



Quoting WestJetForLife (Reply 11):
Not a chance

Simple as that.

Quoting Andz (Reply 9):
checking in with no luggage then "changing your mind" about boarding is going to get you some significant attention.

A very valid point.

Basically,
Drop the whole idea as it might cost you and your friends h*ll of a lot more then your were asking for.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden



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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3969 times:
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Quoting Sudden (Reply 20):
Drop the whole idea as it might cost you and your friends h*ll of a lot more then your were asking for.

At this point I'm really curious why everyone thinks this is such a big deal. I actually want to do it myself and find out "just because" and report back... unfortunately I can't do it in LHR (as I'm not really close to that airport). Would ZRH be any different?



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7710 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3937 times:

You could go airside for a flight, miss it on purpose, explain to security that you missed your departure, and you will be escorted back out. Simple as that.

All of this 'attention' people are referring to is massively overstated. Missing a flight is not a criminal offence. Lots of people do it every day. It is unlikely to raise a single eyebrow.

Alternatively, as others suggest, your friends could actually take a short round trip to somewhere.

But, back to the original question, there is otherwise no way of getting them airside to see you.



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User currently offlineTLG From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

This can easily be done in the US (and has been done, at least some form of it), and as far as I know with no repercussions. Is the procedure any different in the UK? Buy a fully-refundable, full fare ticket, go airside, and after leaving simply get a refund. Not a big deal, here in the US.

There is one thing different about the US though, in that there is no immigration/customs to worry about; only security.

-TLG


User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3917 times:



Quoting ManuCH (Reply 21):
At this point I'm really curious why everyone thinks this is such a big deal. I actually want to do it myself and find out "just because" and report back... unfortunately I can't do it in LHR (as I'm not really close to that airport). Would ZRH be any different?

The "because" is there as you are not allowed access to airside if you don't have a (valid) boardingcard.

Quoting Sudden (Reply 20):
Quoting Andz (Reply 9):
checking in with no luggage then "changing your mind" about boarding is going to get you some significant attention.

Andz said it pretty good here.
Why on earth buy a ticket, check in, go through security, and then deliberately miss your flight?
When you are on your way out and customs might ask you where you come from and purpose of your stay, you just gonna say that you didn't come from anywhere and that you just checked in to be able to catch up with a friend!? Trust me, customs will not let you off easy in that case.

And no, ZRH would not be any different.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

Aim for the sky!
Sudden



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25 ManuCH : The whole point of this discussion is that I want to try to book a flight, get a valid boarding card and go airside, then go back out and get a refun
26 Fbgdavidson : +1 This is an everyday occurrence. My father has had instances where he has checked in for his flight to travel for a business meeting and waiting in
27 ManuCH : Hah, now *that's* something even my convoluted mind didn't think about
28 AirstairFear : Ok, so is the consensus that it is easily done? (Even though many feel that it is silly/irresponsible/take-your-pick) You are allowed to make changes
29 ManuCH : Don't boarding passes have barcodes? I don't think you can photoshop the barcode to create a valid one. At least in ZRH with LX, to go airside they s
30 AirstairFear : Unless security's scanner has realtime communication capabilities with the airlines' systems, I could do it rather easily. For what it's worth, our s
31 Leezyjet : You would have to stand in line at Immigration, then clear customs where you could be stopped, but simply saying you fell asleep and missed your flig
32 RussianJet : No, you would not have to go near immigration or customs. if you do, someone has royally screwed up. Whilst it's true you can't just re-exit by yours
33 Maverick623 : This whole thread is gonna get him some attention. I clicked on it because it just sounds wrong. See: The OP will not be clearing HM Customs, and if
34 Tugger : But the same exists with any traveler departing LHR, you go through the same security and have to go through the same end point customs clearance. If
35 Leezyjet : Well from what I'm aware of in T3, you would have to - that's the way the airlines I've worked with have to do it. In T1 or T5 I suppose you could go
36 RussianJet : I believe I already stated that.
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