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Cadillac Unveils New XTS Full-sized Sedan  
User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10640 times:

Cadillac launched the new 2011 XTS full-sized sedan at the Detroit Auto Show as a thinly disguised "concept" vehicle. GM also released official photos of the car that reflect Cadillac's controversial "Art and Science" design language is alive and well. The luxury sedan will replace the ancient DTS (nee DeVille) front drive sedan and the STS (nee Seville) rear-wheel drive sedan in the U.S. market.

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2011 Cadillac XTS concept sedan


The XTS utilizes GM's Epsilon platform (Chevy Malibu, the Saab 9-3, Opel Insignia, and the new Buick Century and LaCrosse. The XTS is based on stretched version of the front-/all-wheel-drive Epsilon platform— the Buick LaCrosse is truly its closest "cousin". The XTS’s 111.7-inch wheelbase matches that of the LaCrosse, although the XTS is about 6 inches longer in total length. The chassis has not been widened, meaning that 3 across seating will be a tight fit, although loaded with only 4 passengers, the car should have plenty of legroom and headroom.

The XTS also shares the direct-injected 3.6-liter V-6 from the Buick LaCrosse with a plug-in hybrid system; with an estimated total output of 350 horsepower. The concept vehicle is motivated by an all-wheel-drive system that will almost definitely be offered on a production XTS - possibly as the standard powertrain. The suspension will offer adjustable magnetorheological shocks that should allow the driver to choose the ride and handling characteristics.

The car looks good in a stately kind of way, but I think that Cadillac needed to widen the Epsilon platform to make this truly a Cadillac, and not just a longer version of the LaCrosse. Although the all-wheel drive should be excellent in the snow and rain. Thoughts, motorheads?

Source: http://fastlane.gmblogs.com/archives...acs_press_conference_at_naias.html


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User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10625 times:

Not sure about the look. Seems to be an unhappy mix of Holden Caprice and the existing Cadillac cars. But it could have been a lot worse. Would have been nicer if it weren't so tall looking - but that's probably the width doing that.

Also not sure about a front-drive platform for this kind of car.

[Edited 2010-01-15 03:42:21 by cpd]

User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10619 times:

Ok, odd things with this Caddy:

V6 engine, not V8.
FWD/AWD, not RWD.
The car looks a bit Audish, except for the stylish/characteristic Caddy front design.



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User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10614 times:

This is where it gets the roof-line and general side profile from:

Holden Caprice


There you can see the width that is missing from the Cadillac in comparison.Our car is rear-drive though (with magnetic dampers),

I wonder why Cadillac is using a V6 engine in something like this? 8 cylinders is much more suitable for larger cars to provide adequate performance and refinement.

[Edited 2010-01-15 04:20:42 by cpd]

User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10604 times:



Quoting Cpd (Reply 3):

Ah... the beautiful Caprice. God I miss Australian Cars!  cry 



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User currently offlineJJJ From Spain, joined May 2006, 1824 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10592 times:



Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 2):
V6 engine, not V8

A 360hp V6. That's more than a mustang GT's V8 or Chrysler's Hemi on the 300C.


User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10590 times:



Quoting JJJ (Reply 5):
A 360hp V6. That's more than a mustang GT's V8 or Chrysler's Hemi on the 300C.

You misinterpreted the remark. I would have expected that a car this size to include a Northstar V8. I guess (for good), GM is including much more efficient engines, I'm not sure, however, if the American people will like'em.



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User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10590 times:

Quoting JJJ (Reply 5):
A 360hp V6. That's more than a mustang GT's V8 or Chrysler's Hemi on the 300C.

But much less than what we have in GM's Australian lineup (445hp V8 / 6 speed auto). The problem with the V6 engines from GM isn't power, they have lots of that, but they need to be raced to the rev-limit in the large cars in order to provide any sort of reasonable acceleration.

They are very lacking in torque which is essential to motivate these big cars in a quiet manner. The GM 6.0L and 6.2L V8 is much better in that respect. It is barely audible - but has big reserves of performance.

[Edited 2010-01-15 04:35:40 by cpd]

[Edited 2010-01-15 04:39:42 by cpd]

[Edited 2010-01-15 04:40:06 by cpd]

User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6089 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10587 times:
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Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 2):
Ok, odd things with this Caddy:

V6 engine, not V8.
FWD/AWD, not RWD.

A full size Caddy needs to be rear wheel drive and it needs to be V-8. I bought a Lincoln Town Car because there were no new full size V-8 RWD Cadillacs. The CTS is a nice car, but it is too sporty for me. The DTS is nice, but it is FWD.  Angry



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10531 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
The XTS is based on stretched version of the front-/all-wheel-drive Epsilon platform

That kills most interest I would have in the car.

Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
plug-in hybrid system;

And that kills the rest of the interest I would have in the XTS.

You know, for a while, I thought that Cadillac was on their way to turning it around with the CTS, Escalade, STS and XLR. But now they show up with this, and I don't know what to think.

They need to go back to the drawing board, start with a new platform (  Wow! ) and build a quality luxury sedan with rear and all wheel drive, a standard V8 (optional V-12 anyone?), all the modern features, then build it so it won't fall apart and sell it for $75,000 like the real luxury car manufacturers do.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19617 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10528 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
Cadillac launched the new 2011 XTS full-sized sedan at the Detroit Auto Show as a thinly disguised "concept" vehicle.

How about a thinly disguised ugly vehicle?  yuck   vomit   yuck   vomit 


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10527 times:



Quoting Falstaff (Reply 8):

Bingo.

Caddy just screwed themselves over. What a turd. They also may have just killed their biggest market. The livery/ funeral market. Id like to see them stretch that thing and make it a hearse  sarcastic . And a V6? Seriously?



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User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10521 times:



Quoting Falstaff (Reply 8):
A full size Caddy needs to be rear wheel drive and it needs to be V-8. I bought a Lincoln Town Car because there were no new full size V-8 RWD Cadillacs. The CTS is a nice car, but it is too sporty for me. The DTS is nice, but it is FWD. Angry

Exactly my point!

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 11):
Bingo.

Caddy just screwed themselves over. ... And a V6? Seriously?

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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8231 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10507 times:

I'm still driving an 02 DeVille and think I'll hold on to it. WHile some people hate the FWD it has been great the past week in the snow & ice.

As for the Holden/Caddy look, I'm not that impressed with the look of the car. The Holden looks better and would make a good Chevy Caprice 0 if the price was right.

Sadly GM is still in the clouds in terms of pricing. Sort of the McMansions of the car world.


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10490 times:



Quoting Ken777 (Reply 13):
WHile some people hate the FWD it has been great the past week in the snow & ice.

Exactly. I would love if the DTS was rwd, but the fact remains is that in the winter nothing beats being able to just get up and move with fwd traction. Where I work we have a 96 fleetwood hearse that is awful in the snow when there is no weight on the back tires. I much rather drive our DTS that can just plow thru the same conditions that bog the fleetwood down.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7519 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10472 times:



Quoting Cpd (Reply 3):
I wonder why Cadillac is using a V6 engine in something like this? 8 cylinders is much more suitable for larger cars to provide adequate performance and refinement.

I will give you a couple; and I have mentioned these in past related-threads nearly every time this subject comes up:

1. Mass-produced cars in the U.S. are subject to CAFE standards and have been since 1978. Thanks to the Democrat-controlled Congress and Bush for stupidly signing the legislation in 2007 and Obama (no surprise) strengthening it last year; the CAFE standards will be drastically increasing starting in 2012. A large, V8-powered vehicle will hinder Cadillac from either meeting that standard or keep out of the being fined by the government line. There's no vehicle in Cadillac's current line-up that generates higher than CAFE ratings to offset any penalties incurred by sales of more thirsty V8-powered vehicles.

2. GM now means Government Motors; and in relation with #1 mentioned above, the government is NOT going to offer something that directly contradicts with their legislation.

Quoting Cpd (Reply 7):
But much less than what we have in GM's Australian lineup (445hp V8 / 6 speed auto).

My guess is that Australia has no CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) equivalent that forces auto manufacturers into maintaining a certain fuel economy range fleetwide. That's why they can offer a more powerful engine down under. Either that or the vehicles that offer such are NOT as widely produced/sold compared to samller vehicles.

Outside of Corvettes, Shelby Mustangs and the top-powered Camaros, Chargers and Challengers; there are either very few or no large mass-produced sedans powered with such potent engines among US manufacturers. Such vehicles (even the above pony and muscle cars) would be hit with Gas Guzzler taxes.

As far as the XTS is concerned, it is too small and too narrow to be a flagship model. Even the awful-looking Lincoln MKS has a longer wheelbase than the XTS.



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8498 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10453 times:

I dunno guys, the new Cadillac looks pretty good to me.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 14):
I much rather drive our DTS that can just plow thru the same conditions that bog the fleetwood down.

You should not drive a classic LT1 Fleetwood in the snow anyway!  hissyfit 

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 11):
And a V6? Seriously?

These days, a V6 is good for over 350 horsepower. It's more powerful than muscle cars. Check out the Ford line. They will be doing the exact same thing over at Ford/Lincoln.

As a country, we decided to do something about energy security. Part of that is increasing the fuel mileage of cars sold in the USA. Of course, there is still a truck loophole IIRC.


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10443 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 16):
You should not drive a classic LT1 Fleetwood in the snow anyway!

Do you have 70k for a new hearse? We dont  . Besides, it only has 50k miles, mostly at low speed  biggrin . Speaking of LT-1's, I had a Roadmaster estate that decided it had enough New England winters and its frame rotted out. I'll miss that car. On the hunt for a replacement thou.

[Edited 2010-01-15 11:49:36]


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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8498 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10398 times:



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 17):
Speaking of LT-1's, I had a Roadmaster estate that decided it had enough New England winters and its frame rotted out. I'll miss that car. On the hunt for a replacement thou.

Oh fabulous, those were pretty special. Some had the Vista glass roof in back! Yours rusted out, huh?

Take care of that hearse, sounds like a beaut.


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10380 times:



Quoting Flighty (Reply 18):
Some had the Vista glass roof in back!

Ours did  crying . That car was great. 5.7L V8, still got 25mpg highway. they don't build em like that anymore.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39861 posts, RR: 74
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10365 times:

Another disappointment from GM.
My guess is that their will be a V8 option within a few years. Just as the CTS received one a few years after it's release.
For a full-size, the V8 should be standard.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8840 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10360 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
The car looks good in a stately kind of way, but I think that Cadillac needed to widen the Epsilon platform to make this truly a Cadillac, and not just a longer version of the LaCrosse. Although the all-wheel drive should be excellent in the snow and rain. Thoughts, motorheads?

GM's styling department - particularly the one working for Cadillac, needs to taken out and shot.

Cadillac is supposed to be the flagship brand. The brand that is supposed to attract sophisticated (and wealthy) customers away from BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar, and so forth. There is far too much chrome. Every time I walk by a Caddy I am shocked at the big shiny emblems the size of dinner plates. And the car was designed using only a ruler... Yuck.

It's a pity, because in the past few years, Cadillac appears to have been making some cars that mechanically appear to be quite impressive.



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User currently offlineAsuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2371 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10337 times:

I think it looks pretty hot. It's a shame that it is front wheel drive but I guess the target audience doesn't care and frankly I think much of the FWD vs. RWD argument is a little overplayed.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 21):
Cadillac is supposed to be the flagship brand. The brand that is supposed to attract sophisticated (and wealthy) customers away from BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar, and so forth.

BMW and MB designs are cold and boring. The new Jag XF is pretty hot though.


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8840 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10329 times:



Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 22):
BMW and MB designs are cold and boring. The new Jag XF is pretty hot though.

I can understand that. But some people like it - they both have their traditions. My point is that a luxury car should have good styling and impeccable engineering. For years, Cadillac had good styling, but the engineering was at the same level as a cheap Chevrolet. Now that they've spent some money on engineers, their styling has gone to hell.

BTW, I agree on the new Jags. Beautiful cars.

Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 22):
I think much of the FWD vs. RWD argument is a little overplayed.

FWD feels very different from RWD. You can instantly tell the difference, and FWD just feels... wrong. It's unbalanced. Combined with the knowledge that the only reason most cars are FWD is that they are cheap to build, means that it does not belong in a luxury car.



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User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10323 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 15):
. Mass-produced cars in the U.S. are subject to CAFE standards and have been since 1978. Thanks to the Democrat-controlled Congress and Bush for stupidly signing the legislation in 2007 and Obama (no surprise) strengthening it last year; the CAFE standards will be drastically increasing starting in 2012. A large, V8-powered vehicle will hinder Cadillac from either meeting that standard or keep out of the being fined by the government line. There's no vehicle in Cadillac's current line-up that generates higher than CAFE ratings to offset any penalties incurred by sales of more thirsty V8-powered vehicles.

The Federal Government's Corporate Average Fuel Economy will increase by five percent each year, building on the 2011 standard, until we reach 2016. This means an Industry standard of 35.5 mpg by 2016, an average increase of eight mpg per vehicle from 2009 fuel economy levels. Thus, we need to get used to V6 (perhaps turbocharged ) power in luxury and large cars, and 4 cylinder motors in other cars, and a lot more hybrid systems (and even some clean-burn diesels) under the hood. One good thing - large SUVs will never make a comeback because of this increase in CAFE standards.

[Edited 2010-01-15 17:16:20 by stasisLAX]

[Edited 2010-01-15 17:16:57 by stasisLAX]


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25 Cpd : And yet, you can get 7.75L/100km (approx. 30.4mpg) out of a 445hp 6.2L V8. And when we do a 3.0L V6 large car, it does 37mpg. The average, just betwe
26 Cadet57 : Which is why I wish we could get your cars here. Not only do you people build a dam good lookin car, you make a dam fuel efficient car. However, are
27 Cpd : US MPG numbers. I'm not an imperialist.
28 Cadet57 : Hell, then those numbers are even better. First car I want, Vauxhall VXR-8 Bathurst Edition
29 Asuflyer05 : I agree with your perception of RWD vs. FWD. However, the target audience can't tell the difference. Performance enthusiasts aren't looking at overwe
30 Zippyjet : It's a nice looking ride. At least someone is desining a regular car. Latley, it seems fugly SUV's and Crossovers have been all the rage and in my opi
31 BMI727 : My dad had a Roadmaster Limited Sedan (with the neon on the C pillar) and it was a pretty good car. Nice seats, but most of the luxo-bits went bad as
32 Zippyjet : At least their advertising and marketing has improved. I remember no too long ago, Cadillac used an outdated song from the 50's or earlier called Mak
33 Post contains images Cpd : They aren't allowed to do that anymore, right? Government Motors must build boring, bland cars. Perhaps they can buy the license to build these: Stic
34 BMI727 : It isn't like it used to be, but it is still bad. It seems that all Cadillac drivers either wear their pants at their armpits or their knees. Not a l
35 Cpd : That's the problem. The shackles have to come off to allow the big-name brands to build competitive cars. It's never going to work when other countrie
36 BMI727 : The got a new lease on life from the government, but the car industry is a product based business, and their products haven't changed. Some people ap
37 Cpd : You'd be surprised - a lot of Audi A8s in Sydney are A8L 3.0L TDI and A8 4.2L TDI, same with the A6 and A4. Don't see the non-diesel ones often. But
38 Post contains images StasisLAX : Unless we can get the Italians (FIAT) to bankroll production of this model: This is the proposed 2011 Chrysler 200C RWD sport sedan, meant to replace
39 BMI727 : Diesel doesn't really give up a whole lot to get their efficiency, unlike other alternative fuels (diesel is really only alternative in America) whic
40 Asuflyer05 : I saw that car at an auto show, I want to say it was Detroit last year. It is absolutely awesome in person. They really need to build it.
41 Dreadnought : I think the chrome wheels are God-awful, but otherwise I think that's a good looking car.
42 PHLBOS : Most vehicles usually have more than one type of styled wheel or wheelcovers available; so disliking a vehicle just because of its wheels is usually
43 Revelation : Yeah, but in its traditional use, isn't there always weight over the back wheels? Well, at least for the way out to the grave... Time waits for no ma
44 Superfly : Not sure if government ownership has something to do with that. Excellent point! I'll talk more about that later.
45 Ken777 : LOL! I wear mine about halfway between the top and the bottom of the scar from prostate surgery. When looking to Australia for ideas in the auto sect
46 StasisLAX : RWD is what is planned - the 200C is based on a shortened 300/Charger platform, although no V-8 will be offered. However, the newly designed "Phoenix
47 Superfly : I'd like to see an up-market Chrysler version of the Dodge Challenger convertible and call it the Lebaron.
48 Post contains links and images Dreadnought : Let me guess... You'll want wood paneling and center mounted spare, right?    http://memimage.cardomain.com/member...6000-2416999/2416491_2115_full.
49 Superfly : " target=_blank>http://memimage.cardomain.com/member...l.jpg Wood grain side panels, yes! Spare tire mounted on the rear, NO! That spare tire looks t
50 WildcatYXU : I'm afraid it wouldn't be a HEMI anymore.
51 Cadet57 : They guys at the car wash tend to get creeped out when I show up with a guest in the back when I take it to get washed
52 Zippyjet : It looks a little bit nicer but it still has some resemblance to the Godawful 4 door Sebring. I agree with Superfly about bringing back a Le Baron mo
53 Dreadnought : I'm watching the Mecam Auto Auction on HDTheater right now, and it just strikes me once again on how good and innovative car designers were back in th
54 Cadet57 : You know, for a Chrysler product, thats not THAT bad looking. And coming from a Ford/ GM guy, that was hard to say.
55 Superfly : Sadly today they're all too concerned about CAFE/global warming bull$hit. The best looking faced car of that era would be the 1958 Edsel Citation.
56 Cws818 : If that's true then why is Daimler increasing production of the S Class hybrid to meet rising demand?
57 Post contains links and images Zippyjet : Besides the obvious classics of the 50's (T-Bird, Vette etc) one of the best lookers at least for the land yachts was the 1955/1956 Lincoln Mark II.
58 BMI727 : GM needs to build a great car, not a great hybrid. Build something worthy of the title, and then hybridize it. I think that Cadillac is banking on th
59 Revelation : Thanks for sharing, Ken! That's because they were designed in the days of free love, before the 80's AIDS scare...
60 Post contains images StasisLAX : Gorgeous - especially given the excesses in styling in the 1950's. It predated the elegant "Kennedy" Lincoln Continental of the 1960s.
61 Superfly : Believe it or not, none of those cars you posted were 'land yachts'. The cars from the 1970s were about a foot longer.
62 Post contains links and images Zippyjet : I saw somewhere online, the 1960 Continentals were the longest cars ever.
63 Post contains images StasisLAX : And almost as ugly as the Chrysler Imperial from the same time frame! This is what I meant by the "Kennedy" Lincolns - the suicide door sedan....
64 Post contains links and images Superfly : Yes those were long. However, these were longer. 1971-1976 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham Series Seventy Five The longest non-limo production line car w
65 PHLBOS : The '58-'60 Continentals (the lost Marks III, IV & V) and Lincolns had the longest wheelbase of any non-limo Lincolns and Continentals; 131". The ove
66 Dreadnought : Not any more. The Maybach 62 is 243 inches long. It also has a 600-hp V-12, and without the limiter, will top out just short of 200 mph. Try that in
67 PHLBOS : Okay, I forgot about the Maybach. But then again given its price; there's good reason to forget about one. Worth noting: it's wheelbase is 150 inches
68 Post contains links and images Zippyjet : And here is another FUGLY hippo wagon from the late 50's! I tried posting one earlier but the photo didn't take; so without further adoo, I bring you
69 Superfly : That is a modified 'lowered' car. Those are some beautiful Lincolns you have posted! I do like the 1957-1960 Lincolns because they were body-on-frame
70 PHLBOS : Given what was out there at the time; that's a very accurate statement. Such then-modern styling cues (shared w/the 1961 T-Bird BTW) would be mimicke
71 Cptkrell : Been gone for a long while but still lurking...this car thread caught my eye. Just a mention on "reverse vent windows" creating the "dog leg" (re: Zip
72 A342 : From what I know, more than half of all A8s / 7series / S-class sold in Germany are equipped with the baseline six-cylinder diesels. Just as a remind
73 Superfly : Great to have you back! Cars of today seem to have really wide A-pillars which can block visibility. Passengers are always confused when they press d
74 LOT767-300ER : One wonders if there will be a XTS-V, perhaps with AWD and a LSA engine (or perhaps a replacement?) Im not totally opposed to the idea of Turbochargin
75 Cptkrell : HI, 'Fly; good to be back. Forgot to mention you still own one of the nicest Lincs built. The newer wide (thicker) A-pillars are a function of structu
76 A342 : Turbo problems mostly occur in conjunction with unprofessional chiptuning. Turbo problems on modern stock engines are quite rare.
77 LOT767-300ER : I would say that Turbo problems occur for a variety of reasons. Everything from bad construction to improper usage. You cant possibly say that the li
78 PHLBOS : Bigger, in what way? If the 2010 Buick LaCrosse measures 196.9", then the 2011 Cadillac XTS will measure about 202.9". 2010 Cadillac STS has a wheelb
79 Cadet57 : And they deserved to be beaten with that block as they are idiots. Ever since I got my 1.8T VW. Dealing with it has been a whole different beast comp
80 LOT767-300ER : Whats wrong with copper spark plugs because im guessing thats what he had? There is absolutely no performance difference between Platinum/Iridium etc.
81 Cadet57 : I found both my car-a jetta and a friends Passat as well as the A6 (friends father has one) is pretty temperamental when it comes to plugs. I bought
82 JJJ : Those were marine engines adapted to road car usage fast and cheap. They were bound to give problems from the start. Worst of the lot was the earlier
83 Post contains images StasisLAX : 'Fly, I think Cadillac did a really good job with the XTS interior - leather, wood, and suede. Here's the first official pic I've seen of the interio
84 Post contains links and images Zippyjet : It's a Buick and a 1958; but, this looks like a "stock" version of this hippo on wheels. The iconic 1955-1957 Chevys demonstrate the panoramic windsh
85 Cptkrell : Zippy, your last post (reply 69) illustrates the difference in reverse and non-reverse vent windows for panoramic windshields with the graphics you su
86 KiwiRob : Agreed and it's actually a nice looking car. Not the only reason, you get much better packaging in a FWD car and they crash better. That's complete B
87 Superfly : Thanks! So do older cars with thinner A-pillars such as mines twist more? HUH?! I never said that? Damn it, where is the column shifter?!?!?!?!?! May
88 BMI727 : In the garbage where it belongs.
89 Post contains images Dreadnought : 3 points to you...
90 PHLBOS : I meant to ask this earlier but are those fuel economy figures you posted highway ratings or a combination city/highway? My guess would be highway on
91 Superfly : So I guess you guys like total isolation from your passenger? You like the difficulty of climbing out and making acrobatic moves to get out when park
92 StasisLAX : OK, but check out the cool instrument panel!!!
93 JJJ : Sure, there's now place under the hood to put a front trunk
94 Post contains images Zippyjet : Jack: Kind regards to you It was confusing but must have been fun to say the least back in 1957. I wouldn't know as I was an infant. Check out the 57
95 Cptkrell : Thanks for the additional photos, Zippyjet. They got me to thinking and I unpacked some old stuff I ferreted out of MoTown before I retired South whic
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