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The United States Of America And What It Does Best  
User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5108 posts, RR: 12
Posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3828 times:

Many n the world try to hate the US. Many people have many bad things to say about America. But let me say this: maybe America tries to plice the world a bit, but I suppose that if any other country had it's power, they would have been doing the same thing. World Powers have always been like that, whether we are talking about England or Rome or Greece.

But this is where America shines, when there is a problem in the world, like this natural disaster. America does what it does best, help. In all previous natural disaster America has been in the forefront of aid for the people. Here in NY, you would think it is an American city that got destroyed, as Port au Prince is on the news constantly. I am looking at the press conference with Obama, Bush and Clinton, and I feel proud to see these three leaders up there, planning and trying to work together.

Haiti, stay put, America has got you back. This is what America is all about.


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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4650 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3806 times:

Don't get me wrong, the US is doing one heck of a deal in Haiti right now!

Quoting Captaink (Thread starter):
Haiti, stay put, America has got you back.

The question is, why only now, and for how long? Haiti has been a shithole for a very long time, even without the quake, but the US shows up only now. And for how long will they stay before it's left to it's own?

That said, this is true for almost every country, and certainly for mine. Why are we only really doing something in conditions like these, but not when it is really bad, but 'hanging on'?



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5108 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3788 times:



Quoting JRadier (Reply 1):
The question is, why only now, and for how long? Haiti has been a shithole for a very long time, even without the quake, but the US shows up only now. And for how long will they stay before it's left to it's own?

At the end of the day, each country has to run itself, it is not the US job to run Haiti indefinitely. As the old saying goes, “Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime.” It is the receiving country's responsibility to learn. When Clinton was in power he helped restore democracy there. Haiti has to hold it's own reins. In Haiti there were a lot of non profit organizations helping on a day to day basis before this disaster. That is great. But that is not the government of the US job to do. IMHO.

But now they have had an unforeseen terrible natural disaster, and need the extra help and that is where America has been doing a great job in spearheading the relief work.



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User currently offlineBwest From Belgium, joined Jul 2006, 1356 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3789 times:

Well, it's not just like it's just the US that is sending in aid right now is it? Even small and relative poor countries like Serbia are sending over whatever they can.

And maybe it's my pessimistic nature and rather grim trust in humankind, but I have this feeling that in a few weeks or months, delegates from all the countries that were so keen to send help now, will go to Haïti's government and say "you know what would really help you guys now? Companies from our country setting up businesses in yours..."



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5108 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3768 times:



Quoting Bwest (Reply 3):
Well, it's not just like it's just the US that is sending in aid right now is it? Even small and relative poor countries like Serbia are sending over whatever they can.

Well I used a key word, "spearheading." So yes it is a work being carried out by many countries, but without a doubt being led by the US.

As a non American, I reflected on the bad press the US seems to get, and I seemed to me that many forget the world of good the country also does for the world.



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2315 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3735 times:



Quoting JRadier (Reply 1):
That said, this is true for almost every country, and certainly for mine. Why are we only really doing something in conditions like these, but not when it is really bad, but 'hanging on'?

Well there are limits for how much of a difference we can do anyway. We can't save the whole world, but of course we can do our bit to help. Countries need to pull themselves out of poverty like countries in the West have done, but we can give a helping hand when asked to do so.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3705 times:

Its true of most Developed countries....as there is a responsibility on them to get things in order.
Apart from the US,there are other countries chipping in as well.
regds
MEL.



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7637 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3631 times:

I'm failing to see what the US is doing compared to other countries in this natural disaster and others in the past?


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User currently onlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13798 posts, RR: 63
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3602 times:



Quoting Bwest (Reply 3):
And maybe it's my pessimistic nature and rather grim trust in humankind, but I have this feeling that in a few weeks or months, delegates from all the countries that were so keen to send help now, will go to Haïti's government and say "you know what would really help you guys now? Companies from our country setting up businesses in yours..."

Which wouldn´t even be too bad. The main thing Haiti needs is jobs. Haiti doesn´t have many natural resources, the only resource they have is manpower. Unfortunately the country hasn´t been very stable for the last 200 years and for many companies the risk of losing all investments to either crime or a military coup is too big. This also led to the population being relatively uneducated, a vicious circle. IMO, the only way Haiti can go forward is by stabilizing and then offering ítself for manpower intensive production, even if wages at the beginning will be very low. Later, with a higher level of education they can branch out into more brains requiring industries, which will bring more income.
An additional option would be tourism, but again for this the country needs to become stable and to have a decent system of law and order.


Jan


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15476 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3578 times:



Quoting JRadier (Reply 1):
Haiti has been a shithole for a very long time

The last time we tried to fix a shithole, they dragged our soldiers' bodies through the streets. You can't do longer term, large scale, aid operations without using force as well. That is something that many Americans (and perhaps the rest of the world) is skittish about right now.



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User currently offlineAviationMaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2473 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3465 times:



Quoting Captaink (Thread starter):
But let me say this: maybe America tries to plice the world a bit, but I suppose that if any other country had it's power, they would have been doing the same thing. World Powers have always been like that, whether we are talking about England or Rome or Greece.

While the US deserves some of the criticism it gets from time to time, in the end, I'd rather have them police the world than China or Russia.


User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3453 times:

This is why I love America and more importantly being able to call myself an American. Even here, being deployed almost 7000 miles from home, all you see on TV is coverage of the Haiti disaster and more and more pleas for Americans rich and poor alike to donate their money and their time to help. This does not mitigate the fact that American foreign policy sometimes poses grave questions, but I think that the rest of the world is all too quick to forget what America has done for so many people around the world and instead tend to focus on more tenuous and timely moments. I'm very happy that we have stepped up like we have to help in the aid/recovery process, I know many friends who have already donated to the cause and it was heartwarming to see videos of the USS Carl Vinson and Hospital Ship Comfort being loaded with supplies and preparing to steam off to the rescue.

The Haitians are in my thoughts, the TV coverage paints a picture of utter destruction and extreme sorrow and pain. May the global community continue to respond to this disaster and work together to help these people in a great time of need.



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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3417 times:

It is only natural that the USA spearheads the aid operations in Haiti. Compared to Europe, the USA is a much closer neighbour and has better possibilities of providing aid quickly with its manpower and logistical apparatus. Especially since the airport facilites are limited and aid has to be brought in by ship.

Just like Australia and New Zealand are natural neigbours to rely on qucik help for islands in the Pacific. Such as the recent Samoa earthquacke.

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Right now, most countries around the world is giving aid to Haiti. Many much less than the USA and some more than the USA ( moneywise compared to population ).


When there is an aid crisis around the world, most countries chip in with money, hospitals, search and rescue workers, doctors and surgons.

This was the case during the sunami in Asia, earthquacke in Middle East, famin in africa etc. It would also have been the case with Katrina, had the US asked for international help.


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3416 times:



Quoting Captaink (Reply 2):
But now they have had an unforeseen terrible natural disaster,

Terrible it might be, but unforeseen  redflag   redflag   redflag  . Go to:
http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin/neic_rja6_h.html
you know one of those Federal agencies of the US that many Americans love to hate. While much of the rest of the world applauds what an excellent job THEY do. And if more folk took note of what they say, disasters like this would at the least be slightly less disastrous. This was foreseeable, and by and large was foreseen.

Does not stop it being a tragedy. But a bit less of the hand wringing and more of the "why was not something done"?


User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2784 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3391 times:

The United States has been contributing aid to countries like Haiti for a long time, but only during times of particular hardship - like the earthquake in Haiti - that this fact makes the news. The US sends billions of dollars of aids to many, many different countries around the world.

And the Americans were more than willing to respond. For example, just yesterday at a Philadelphia 76ers game, the 76ers starting center and Haiti-native Samuel Dalembert donated $100,000 to UNICEF. The fans attending the game that night in Philadelphia gave an additional $35,000, and Dalembert matched that by donating another $35,000. So in just a regular season basketball game in Philadelphia, $175,000 was raised for Haitian victims. Truly amazing.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12061 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3381 times:



Quoting Baroque (Reply 13):
This was foreseeable, and by and large was foreseen.

I agree with that. Haiti is just the latest example. There are hundreds of potential future disasters we know about, we just don't know when they will happen. Examples are the new Krakatoa volcano, the brewing Yellowstone super volcano and many know tectonic plates that appear to have massives amounts of pressure building to a future earthquake. These are all around the world. The local authorities should be preparing for these events, but sadly some are but most are not.

Even hurricanes can be prepared for. Katrina is an example where a major US city ignored the infastructure problems for decades, and the results was some 2000 Americans died. This example showed that NewOorleans learned nothing from the 1903 Galveston Hurricane that killed some 8000 people.

America, and the rest of the world have a long way to go to save future lives from disasters.

The answer is not totally the response after the disaster, but some of it is also to prepare for it before it happens with plans, prepositioned supplies, established evacuation routes, better construction of buildings, etc.


User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2784 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3373 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 15):
There are hundreds of potential future disasters we know about

Like the "big one" in California, where a huge earthquake is supposedly going to rock the state some time in the future... scary to think about.


User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7345 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3364 times:



Quoting JRadier (Reply 1):
The question is, why only now, and for how long? Haiti has been a shithole for a very long time, even without the quake, but the US shows up only now. And for how long will they stay before it's left to it's own?

There are thousands of US aid workers and missionaries in Haiti - have been there for decades and will be there after this disaster is off the headlines. Several of them died or were injured in the earthquake.

The US government also contributes substantially to anti-poverty efforts, hospitals, drinking water projects, etc in Haiti.

However, like most nations Haiti does not want the US, or any other nation, to come into their country and 'run the show'. We have to work through the local government.

Things like customs officials in the Cape Haitian airport insisting non-government relief flights pay import duty for earthquake relief supplies coming into the country yesterday. Things like the use of non-uniformed private security groups armed with machetes, Things like charges of corruption. Obvious lack of building code standards, lack of an efficient clean drinking water distribution system after tens of millions of dollars in US aid spent on 'research' and no pipe laid.

Haiti has its problems like any country. The biggest being they have a population which greatly exceeds the capacity of the land to support/ feed. And the working age population greatly exceeds any reasonable level of economic activity ability to provide jobs. And the lack of consistent education of their population to qualify them for jobs.

The US and many other nations seek to help, but there is only so much that can be done. The sum is that only the Haitian people can make a real change to their nation. Many choose to leave Haiti and work from overseas to help their families and home towns.

Remember there is a United Nations mission in Haiti, and an armed United Nations Security Force to provide security - both of which had members killed in the quake.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26498 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3356 times:



Quoting Bwest (Reply 3):
Well, it's not just like it's just the US that is sending in aid right now is it? Even small and relative poor countries like Serbia are sending over whatever they can.

Very true. Although credit has to go to the American administration as they acted quickly and I cant help notice that it has alot to do with the new Administration and Obama himself. Long may it last. One wonders how New Orleans would have been handled if only Obama had have been in power at the time.



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User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7345 posts, RR: 32
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3346 times:

Actually I think the initial Obama administration response was amatuerish and rather stupid.

The US Air Force was ready to launch a airport security / ATC team the evening of the quake. The team was delayed when the State Department/ White House found out about the flight. Eventually the Dash-8 have to fly to DC, pick up political appointees from US AID and then fly down.

Several USAF, USCG and USN C-130's which were loaded by their squadron and base commanders were held, not allowed to fly. Some of the cargo had to be flown to DC, where it was transferred to a civilian version of the C-130 - because the Obama Administration wanted the first US relief to be civilian, not military.

The US Navy proposed recalling the crew of the USNS Comfort and preparing it for sailing about 2 hours after the quake hit. That approval was delayed in the White House for 36 hours. Amazingly the crew got their ship out almost 24 hours under schedule - so they made up most of the time wasted.

I'm not criticizing the Obama administration per se. Every new administration makes the same mistakes when they have their first disaster. The Bush II administration had some of the same stumbles with the Christmas Tsunami.

Katrina is a completely different animal. The federal government responsed quickly and accurately. Remember, the federal government and the military were NEVER in charge of anything in the New Orleans area. Everything they did had to be approved by the City Mayor and the local parish (county) governments. That is our way - the feds cannot take over a civilian city.

The breakdown occured in the city, parish and state governments - not the federal level.


User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3317 times:



Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 19):
Katrina is a completely different animal. The federal government responsed quickly and accurately.

Try asking some people who were actually there, i'm sure they'll tell you something completely different.

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 19):
Actually I think the initial Obama administration response was amatuerish and rather stupid.

I think there were things that should have been done better. At one point, the director of the DHS was saying that the reason why US, aid was taking so long is because they had to coordinate. Well, that seemed like a good idea at the time, but now it's looking like a major fail because things STILL aren't coordinated.

But in terms of the abundance of help sent to Haiti, I thought it was really good. However, the condition of the roads in Haiti is making things beyond difficult.

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 17):

However, like most nations Haiti does not want the US, or any other nation, to come into their country and 'run the show'.

I've seen Haitians on T.V. who are singing to a different song. They say their gov't is unreliable, i've spoken to several American Haitians, who say they wouldn't mind if the U.S. played a bigger role in Haiti. And which Haitian wouldn't? They're so poor and have such low morale that at some point, there patriotism goes out the door, and their need for assistance and survival kicks in.



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3290 times:



Quoting Elite (Reply 16):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 15):
There are hundreds of potential future disasters we know about

Like the "big one" in California, where a huge earthquake is supposedly going to rock the state some time in the future... scary to think about.

While it is probably that the preparation for the big one in California could be better, it is streets ahead of most places for most disasters. There is a question of how much you WANT to spend before the disaster. But if not being willing to spend enough is a major cause of the extent of the disaster when it comes, then sympathy levels should perhaps be at the least restrained.

There are endless places where one can point to building problems. And they all get worse as more and more population is packed into megacities the world over.


User currently offlineQantasistheway From Australia, joined May 2008, 309 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3275 times:



Quoting Mortyman (Reply 12):
This was the case during the sunami in Asia, earthquacke in Middle East, famin in africa etc. It would also have been the case with Katrina, had the US asked for international help.

Well actually Kuwait donated 500 million USD and U.A.E. and Qatar donated 300 million each! I wonder why.......

Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 19):
Katrina is a completely different animal. The federal government responsed quickly and accurately. Remember, the federal government and the military were NEVER in charge of anything in the New Orleans area. Everything they did had to be approved by the City Mayor and the local parish (county) governments. That is our way - the feds cannot take over a civilian city.

It wasn't exactly handled "quickly and accurately" there are still roads and roads of destroyed houses and therefore many people still homeless. The initial response wasn't the greatest considering the US is the richest country in the world. It took quite some time for things to get moving and the fact that there were food riots and people were stuck in their houses for days supports this. After all if it had been delt with properly, maybe the national guard would not have to have been deployed.


User currently onlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13798 posts, RR: 63
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3247 times:



Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 19):
Katrina is a completely different animal. The federal government responsed quickly and accurately. Remember, the federal government and the military were NEVER in charge of anything in the New Orleans area. Everything they did had to be approved by the City Mayor and the local parish (county) governments. That is our way - the feds cannot take over a civilian city.

This is a big problem during disasters. Every smalltown fire chief thinks that he is in command of everything and that it is now the hour he´s been waiting all his life to stand in the limelight.
We had similar issues in Germany in 1976, when a wildfire devastated several counties in Lower Saxony. Each local fire chief or mayor insisted that he would be in charge. The result was a total chaos, which caused the federal government to step in. They brought the army, which not only used combat engineer tanks to bulldoze fire clearing in the affected forests and CH-53G helicopters to dump water on the fires, but also took over signals and the coordination. From this moment on the fire got under control.

Also during the surge flood in Hamburg in 1961, it took later chancellor Schmidt (at this time minister of interior of Hamburg State) to break the constitution to order the military to provide helicopters to evacuate people trapped on top of their houses (this led to a change in the constitution, which from then on allowed the military to operate inside Germany for disaster relief only).

Jan


User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7345 posts, RR: 32
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3237 times:

The federal government response was quick and accurate - except for one problem - the press conference by the political idiot in charge.

But he was actually very smart for a political appointee. He understood he knew nothing about the FEMA job and disaster relief operations - so he let the professionals on the staff run the operations. Unlike a great many political appointees he did not try to run the organization, just wanted to be the front man.

Yes, it takes time to get things moving. The city government of New Orleans, the parish governments and the state government all knew they had to have plans and people in place to support the first 48-72 hours of relief work. Those plans were not executed and the people to implement them were evacuated before the people they were supposed to support.

By that point - FEMA will start having supplies pouring in. That is FEMA's job - bring in supplies and provide assistance to the state, county and city officials. Especially to provide experience in how to deal with problems.

Two states suffered critical damage in Katrina - one responded to the plan and got people help, got them housed, got the damage repaired where possible - Mississippi. Remember Katrina hit Mississipp harder than Camile hit Mississippi.

Louisiana dropped the ball - and even today several years later, the Louisiana and New Orleans politicians are fighting against sound relief plans and efforts.

Also the Governor of Louisiana should have called up and deployed the National Guard to help evacuate New Orleans. The city has a fair evac plan using city and school busses. Unfortunately that plan was never implemented, nor were the drivers of the busses told that it would be their job to carry people out. By the time someone tried to get it organized (with the Mayor already out of town) - the bus drivers were found to almost all have evacuated with their families in private vehicles.

Quoting Qantasistheway (Reply 22):
the fact that there were food riots and people were stuck in their houses for days supports this.

Unfortunately we have a set of laws in the US which prevent the city, county or state government from removing people from their homes in these situations. With Hurricane Ike in Galveston in 2008, many of the 100+ killed in Texas and the over 200 still missing were those who refused to evacuate. After the storm, the several thousand others who were left in badly damaged homes had the same problems as the stay-behinds in New Orleans. No food, no water, no electricity, no reliable shelter from the elements.

Just like New Orleans, after the storm many of the people on Galveston Island told rescue teams they would not leave - for the rescuers to bring them food, water and shelter. But they were not going to leave their homes. There were some nasty incidents as people 'scavenged' for food while shop owners and police tried to stop 'looting'. Things were not as bad on the Bolivar Peninsula because the storm basically wiped the area clean.

[Edited 2010-01-17 09:30:20]

25 RFields5421 : The sad truth is that in any wide spread disaster - getting relief to the impacted people quickly is impossible. Normally tornado's are small enough t
26 MD11Engineer : I´ve been serving for almost 20 years in a German civil defense heavy rescue platoon as a voluteer (we all were volunteers) and got trained in locati
27 Pilotsmoe : I just have to wonder how much of this aid money is going to end up in some corrupt politician's pocket. Haiti is one of the most corrupt countries in
28 Post contains links DeltaMD11 : That is the exact reason why I dont donate money or blood to the Red Cross, they always take a bit off the top. Always look for other alternative NON
29 Pilotsmoe : " target=_blank>www.clintonbushhaitifund.org What happened to Bush senior? Bill Clinton was his best friend, lol
30 DeltaMD11 : Hah I know I had the same thought, but I think that it actually is a very good statement to have Clinton and W. working on it given the vast foreign
31 Texan : As Elite said, we have actually been actively involved in Haiti for quite some time. We send many millions every year, and have for at least the two
32 Post contains links TheCol : The US is not the only country involved. Norway probably responded the quickest with their field hospital, which was invaluable to the Red Cross. Can
33 Post contains links Elite : The United States has just announced that it will send 3,500 troops over to Haiti to help with the deteriorating situation. It's northern neighbor, Ca
34 RwSEA : The US has dumped billions into that shithole over the last decades, with nothing to show for it. Even as a person who is appalled by the situation i
35 MD11Engineer : Actually the US occupied Haiti back in the 1920s under a "Good Neighborhood" program and tried to forcibly develop the country. Unfortunately they wa
36 Mudboy : This is coming from someone that has no idea how Gov works in the US. If you want to cast blame, you should start first with the Mayor, then with the
37 OA260 : I gained my knowledge from people from New Orleans who were on the ground. Also a few Anetters who were also caught up in it. Various documentaries a
38 Mudboy : And exactly what was the knowledge you gained from these people on the ground? Because if they are still trying to blame GWB and not the Mayor of NO,
39 JJJ : Spain's were some of the first boots on the ground as well. The Spanish International Cooperation Agency keeps a disaster relief logistics base in Pa
40 OA260 : You could say that about every administration but you have had enough presidents now to have learnt. Im not biased at all. If a decent President with
41 Mudboy : Yes, but subject at hand was about the US Government's response to Katrina, and although we have had 40+ Presidents, we have had only one Katrina.
42 MD11Engineer : What happens in the US if a city, county or state government proves to be grossly incompetent following a major disaster or emergency or gets incapac
43 Mudboy : It would depend on what state it was. Example- Law Enforcement A County Sheriff, can take over an investigation from a city's Police Department that
44 RFields5421 : Most states have laws and the state constitution which prohibit the state government or the county government from overruling the city government on
45 Mudboy : Excellent Post RFields!!
46 DXing : Age takes it's toll not only on him but Barbra as well. I think they may have decided to scale back their public appearances and projects to spend so
47 Post contains images FCA767 : Quite right! I've started listening to New York Radio online back in UK and I hear it alot, I think alot of people do care over there, even though so
48 Texan : Yep, from 1915-1934 I think. Not the smartest of ideas. In the past two decades, though, we've done a pretty good job of simply trying to invest in i
49 MD11Engineer : THis reminds me of the mess we had during the wildfires, which affected several counties (Landkreise) in 1976. Each county firechief thought that he
50 RFields5421 : With all respect, my first trip to New Orleans was in 1957. I have family there and have been to the city many, many times over the years. I was in N
51 RFields5421 : Most people in the United States have an amazing capacity to help those less fortunate, especially those striken by natural disasters. The few loud n
52 Post contains links Mortyman : The USA has asked Norway about it's possibilities in providing ships for service to the crisis in Haiti. Norway has one of the largest merchant fleets
53 TheCol : Hopefully Spain and Norway will be included in the conference on the 25th. France isn't the only country in the EU with significant assets in Haiti.
54 Par13del : The current Federal Government has Obama as the President, so ultimately, it's his call and cross to bear, someone in his administration wanted civil
55 Mortyman : ????
56 D L X : The US has been sending aid for years. This is nothing new.
57 RFields5421 : We have 'invaded' Haiti in the past few decades. Having a civilian leadership helps. Of course many people around the world are claiming the US milit
58 Flighty : The US is not necessarily the most generous country in every way, but I agree we are generous and we will help Haiti. The amount of help, and of carin
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