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Air America Off The Air, To Liquidate Under BK  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25741 posts, RR: 50
Posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3112 times:

Another example of liberal media ideas, they simply dont sell.

Quote:
Air America Radio closing, filing for bankruptcy

LOS ANGELES - Air America Radio, a radio network that was launched in 2004 as a liberal alternative to Rush Limbaugh and other conservative commentators, on Thursday shut down abruptly due to financial woes.

The network once boasted hosts such as Al Franken and Rachel Maddow, but struggled from the outset, including multiple management shake-ups, a bankruptcy in 2006 and sale for $4.25 million the following year.

Air America ceased airing new programs Thursday afternoon and said it will soon file to be liquidated under Chapter 7 bankruptcy. It began broadcasting reruns of programs and would end those as well Monday night.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34983018/ns/entertainment-arts_books_more/


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3104 times:

....and I'm pretty sure this was the second attempt at Liberal radio Air America. In a free market society if you make, sell or offer something the people want it will sell... if not you run out of money and shut down.


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User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3089 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Another example of liberal media ideas, they simply dont sell.

Not quite. Liberals have the internet, so we don't need talk radio. And MSNBC is doing just fine.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25741 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3081 times:



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 2):
And MSNBC is doing just fine.

 Confused
MSNBC trails both CNN and FOX in cable news.
Overall MSNBC is even worse, coming in at the bottom, 30 out of 30 for 2009 Cable networks for viewer draw. The Animal channels draws more viewers.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/1...ews-2009-ratings-rec_n_406325.html

Fox on the other hand rocks, sweeping all 10 top news show spots in 2009.



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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3073 times:

I'm sure there is at least one member who will advocate that if only radio stations had been forced to carry their programming they would have been a success.

If you don't offer what people want, you go out of business, pure and simple.


User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4949 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3030 times:



Quoting DXing (Reply 4):

If you don't offer what people want, you go out of business, pure and simple.

That's fine. That's what the free market is all about. I'm as liberal as they come, you know that, but if Air America couldn't get a big enough audience to become profitable, then this is what's supposed to happen.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3020 times:



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 2):
And MSNBC is doing just fine.

I wonder how MSNBC would do if it was a stand alone network and not drawing off NBC and GE...?



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3631 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3014 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 6):
NBC and GE...?

Comcast bought NBC last year.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13138 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3008 times:

I find it very distubing that there is few if any good centerist, balanced and even liberal political commentators, especially during the prime daytime hours when the Conservatives rule. With the collaspe of Air America, it will be more difficult to offer alternative views that will make people think rather than follow.

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2980 times:



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 8):
I find it very distubing that there is few if any good centerist, balanced and even liberal political commentators, especially during the prime daytime hours when the Conservatives rule.

National Public Radio (N.P.R.)
That is the news radio station I prefer. In depth thorough coverage of a given topic without any bias, spin or attitude. Just plain & simple news coverage.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2976 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
coverage of a given topic without any bias

Most of the NPR stuff I have heard has been pretty left wing.


But back to Air America.

If you spend your days preaching against the same industries that you need advertising dollars from, this is going to happen.

This should be a lesson in business school. There was a reason they model was going to fail.



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User currently offlineSCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5555 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2940 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
National Public Radio (N.P.R.)
That is the news radio station I prefer. In depth thorough coverage of a given topic without any bias, spin or attitude. Just plain & simple news coverage.

While it's silly to suggest that NPR lacks bias, the fact is, they produce by far the best news programming in the USA. Reportage is crisp, thorough and calmly-delivered.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2928 times:



Quoting SCCutler (Reply 11):
While it's silly to suggest that NPR lacks bias,

I think they spend too much time talking about global warming/climate change. Other than that, they are a great source for news.

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 11):
they produce by far the best news programming in the USA. Reportage is crisp, thorough and calmly-delivered.

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Well said!



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5306 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2914 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Another example of liberal media ideas, they simply dont sell.

Nah it's just that we can make up our own minds on issues rather than having somone do it for us.  Big grin

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
National Public Radio (N.P.R.)
That is the news radio station I prefer. In depth thorough coverage of a given topic without any bias, spin or attitude. Just plain & simple news coverage.

I think that this is a big part of why "liberal" talk radio doesn't work. A lot of left-wingers already listen to NPR so why switch?



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User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11718 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2852 times:



Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
Most of the NPR stuff I have heard has been pretty left wing.

Why? Because they don't tow the Republican party line to the letter?

The parent company for Rush Limbaugh filed for bankrupcy, too, but that was NEVER announced ANYWHERE. So much for "liberal" bias in the media!

And, yes, I do believe people should be forced to hear both sides of an issue instead of hearing the right side over and over and over and over while being told that any other positions on an issue are communist, socialist, nazi, libearl, and terrorists......



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User currently offlineUsair320 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 991 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2834 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
In depth thorough coverage of a given topic without any bias, spin or attitude. Just plain & simple news coverage.

Uhhhhh. C'mon now superfly.....that's like saying Fox (and I'm a conservative saying this) is actually fair and balanced.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
If you spend your days preaching against the same industries that you need advertising dollars from, this is going to happen.

I agree. And back to reality who wants to listen to a latte sipping, tree hugging liberal like Richard Greene or Thom Hartman whine and cry when they can listen to Dr. Savage scream into his mic about his bad lunch at a chinese place.
I will admit the one liberal show I like is the Stephanie Miller show. Not for the show's political slant, but it is pretty entertaining.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):


Most of the NPR stuff I have heard has been pretty left wing

Any station that has Amy Goodman on it's lineup is pretty damn left wing.


User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11718 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2814 times:

Another thing I find interesting is the right-wing is saying that the SCOTUS ruling on campaign contributions should contribute to an informed electorate because we the people should not believe the campaign hype or take just one side at their word. Yet, they are positivly giddy as little school girls that the opposition voice is, effectively, gone. So, what they are really saying is: the electorate should be informed as long as they listen to only the right wing. Could someone please explain this to me?


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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2801 times:

I listen to NPR to get my news.

No other radio or television station in this country is worth paying any real attention to when it comes to news, although I do like Fareed Zakaria GPS on CNN which I think does a good job discussing international issues.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 13):
I think that this is a big part of why "liberal" talk radio doesn't work. A lot of left-wingers already listen to NPR so why switch?

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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2778 times:



Quoting Usair320 (Reply 15):
Stephanie Miller

Amy Goodman

I don't know anything about them

I listen to Fresh Air, All Things Considered, The News Hour with Jim Lehrer and California Report.
I don't bother listening to their 'entertainment' shows.
I do like Car Talk but it comes on waaaaaay too early for me to ever catch it. 10:00AM on the weekends? I sleep to noon on days off.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2757 times:



Quoting Usair320 (Reply 15):
Thom Hartman

I like Hartman because his show tends to make you think, regardless of what side of the political spectrum you're on. Miller is, well, hilarious.

The rest of talk radio seems top be nothing more than a wall of (vapid) noise.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25741 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2683 times:

Just read a piece(in print, sorry cant/copy paste) with a business take on why Air America never prospered.

1) I'll defined market placement. Was to be a liberal answer to conservative talk radio, but its program content and delivery poorly defined lacking focus.
2) Market demographics. Democrats reside in greater numbers in large urban centers with noisy media markets. Had very hard time building listeners against all other media forms. Republican tend to be in rural areas more where radio is a much more central form of news and information.
3) Poor business office management.
4) Marginal on-air talent, and several like Montel Williams and Rachel Maddow into self-promotion and not focused on Air America.
5) Failed to learn the basic lessons behind initial 2006 BK

So combined, lack of listeners = lack of advertising = lack of revenue = no Air America.



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2681 times:



Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 7):
Comcast bought NBC last year.

No, that's not true. Comcast signed an agreement with NBC to merge its broadcasting assets with NBC Universal, and Comcast and GE will jointly own the resulting firm (to also be called "NBC Universal.") However, regulatory approval is still pending and there is a little bit of doubt surrounding that (though not a huge amount.)

Until that approval is granted, the agreement states that GE will continue to exercise full control.



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2667 times:



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 8):
I find it very distubing that there is few if any good centerist, balanced and even liberal political commentators, especially during the prime daytime hours when the Conservatives rule.

I don't find it "disturbing" at all. I see it as the free market taking its course. San747 hits the nail on the head here.

Quoting San747 (Reply 5):

That's fine. That's what the free market is all about. I'm as liberal as they come, you know that, but if Air America couldn't get a big enough audience to become profitable, then this is what's supposed to happen.

LTBEWR, if you want these radio stations, its up to you to do a better job of supporting them when they are in business.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 16):
Could someone please explain this to me?

Could someone explain why you're discussing the SCOTUS decision on campaign contributions when there is currently an entire thread dedicated to it right now?

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 16):
So, what they are really saying is: the electorate should be informed as long as they listen to only the right wing.

We're saying that if your (liberal) radio stations aren't good enough to stay in business, well, they shouldn't stay in business. If your message doesn't attract an audience (or the people delivering your message can't attract an audience), that's your problem, not the successful conservative talk stations.


User currently offlineFlanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1641 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2650 times:

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 14):
And, yes, I do believe people should be forced to hear both sides of an issue instead of hearing the

Very sad.

[Edited 2010-01-24 01:12:28 by flanker]


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User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11718 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2601 times:



Quoting Flanker (Reply 23):
Quoting Seb146 (Reply 14):
And, yes, I do believe people should be forced to hear both sides of an issue instead of hearing the

Very sad

It is very sad that any other opinion from what the right-wing is throwing out there is simply dismissed as propoganda and anti-American. Anyone speaking out against the right wing gets this kind of treatment. The whole "no opinion is not worthy unless it is a right-wing opinion."

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 22):
If your message doesn't attract an audience (or the people delivering your message can't attract an audience), that's your problem, not the successful conservative talk stations.

One of the problems I have seen, from growing up in a rural/conservative area of the country is: they have no where else to get other sides of the story from. My brother, his neigbors, co-workers, and in-laws are all die-hard conservatives. Not a big deal. However, the way they make their point is the exact way points are made by the righties anywhere else in the country: Keep pushing and pushing louder and louder the points the right-wing talkers have been repeating. Any other facts or angles are simply propoganda and not worthy of considering.

I noticed, looking back, the whole right-wing talk radio think really took off under the Clinton witch hunt. Doing everythign they could to discredit the then-president. They were doing everything in their power to remove him from office no matter what. "Conservative" radio hosts like Limbaugh just happened to be there. Everyone kept hammering away until Clinton was brought up on impeachment charges. Any time anyone pointed out "is what he lied about really a good reason to remove him from office" the response from every rightie is "He lied!" because, IMO, that is how they are conditioned to respond to that whole era. And, it continues to this day.



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25 National757 : What a bad week for Liberals I agree about NPR though.. by far the best news reporting on the radio in the US. No one else comes close IMO
26 FlyDeltaJets87 : What's sad is that you think people should be forced to hear your opinion and that you think people being forced to hear your opinion will change the
27 OA412 : He absolutely did, but are we really going to argue that the reason behind the "witch hunt" was the fact that he lied under oath? Perhaps it was for
28 FlyDeltaJets87 : Well I guess it's up to you to prove if you want to make that point. But since we in the military can be subject to court-martial for adultery (Artic
29 OA412 : You're too kind! My sense from what was going on at the time is that more people were interested in the sex part of the equation than in the perjury
30 FlyDeltaJets87 : Touche.
31 Seb146 : Perfectly played into my hands. Listen very closely: We all know he lied. We all accept that. However, did the punishment fit the crime? Should a cas
32 FlyDeltaJets87 : OA412 and I have moved on from this topic since it's not on topic with the OP. Besides, with that logic you're using, it's not even worth a thought-o
33 Sasd209 : I agree with this statement; the audience ultimately decides what is a viable business venture.
34 Flanker : Okay Chavez take it easy. Your ideology can never succeed without lies,deceit and what you call "force". No wonder liberal radio fails. Whether its l
35 CirrusDriver : Its Bush's fault.....(sarcasm) Whaa?? That is it? Come on man, you have to pull out bigger guns than that if we are going to win this argument!
36 Texan : Or that some people prefer not to get their news from fear-mongering talking heads. I tried listening to it a couple of times, but all I ever heard w
37 Seb146 : That's it. Stoop to charicter assasination when you want to feel superior. Substitute the word "liberal" for "conservative" and we can talk honestly.
38 JBirdAV8r : All straw men. The correct comparison: What would happen to me, in court, if I perjured my testimony?
39 FlyDeltaJets87 : Says the guy who's comparing perjury to leaving a wrinkle in the bed or parking the airplane 5 minutes late at the gate. A point you failed in making
40 CALTECH : Nobody listens to it. What is so ironic, is that no one wants to listen to it, but when liberals talk and move to the center to get elected, some peo
41 OA412 : Yeah absolutely no one does. Last I checked, it's not liberals voting against gay marriage in droves. Would you not consider banning gay marriage to
42 Luckyone : I am waiting for the "too smart for the market" or "they just didn't get it" or "victim of bad marketing" blah blah blah excuses instead of just admit
43 Maverick623 : And it's very sad that you think people should be forced to carry another viewpoint, namely yours. Bull honky. Ever hear of the internet? Guess what.
44 BAKJet : But, the Rachel Maddow Show and Countdown with Keith Olberman were the only 2 cable news show to exceed expectations in 2008 (at least thats what Kei
45 Flanker : Don't get your balls all twisted up. It was a joke. I was poking fun at the fact that you want to force your views on someone else.
46 Seb146 : Well, when anyone even thinks about saying FOX news is even slightly biased, the howls from the right of all the knickers getting in a twist is deafa
47 Seb146 : I think that is simply what you see or hear. I assume you have only heard Mike Malloy. He does that way too often. He is very irritating. I have hear
48 JBirdAV8r : I've never heard a right-wing host launch into a massive stream of ad hominems like Keith Olbermann the other day, calling Scott Brown an "irresponsi
49 DXing : Gosh, if they had only picked up a couple of corporate sponsorships, duh what am I thinking, you have to have listners for that to happen!
50 Maverick623 : No. There is no excuse for forcing anyone to listen to anything. With maybe two exceptions, I don't think I've seen anyone on this forum try to sugge
51 Post contains links ATTart : Here is O'reilly saying that Pelosi and Reed should be kidnap by the CIA and waterboard.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMlU9GgUiCU Or, comparing th
52 Seb146 : So, then, you have never listened to O'Reilly, Hannity, Rush, Drudge..... Which is where Bush and Cheney were smart: they were never under oath. If t
53 DXing : What is the connection between being forced to listen and being criticized for objecting to their opinion?
54 Maverick623 : I'd like to know that as well, especially since he's given up the argument that people are already forced to watch FOX and listen to Rush. And they s
55 CALTECH : Exactly, that is why they are bankrupt. well, maybe two or three people here and there. How is that 'meddling in others' lives ? Rather it is those p
56 ExFATboy : I can't help but think the biggest problem with Air America was in the basic concept - they had a mission to be liberal, not to be good, to be enterta
57 ATTart : Well, they are not letting this tax paying Gay American have the same rights as straight Americans have. How are gay Americans meddling in straight A
58 Cws818 : Would you agree, then, that those seeking to outlaw abortion are "meddling in others lives'"?
59 Post contains images OA412 : You clearly don't understand sarcasm. How exactly are they meddling in your life? Are they forcing you to go out and marry a man?
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