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Japanese Hypocrisy Again: Photographer Arrested  
User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7951 posts, RR: 26
Posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2881 times:

An old story in Japan, but the selective prosecutors in Tokyo are at it again with their double standards. How about going after some real criminals? Or perhaps the hundreds (if not thousands) of porn producers who are shooting public blowjobs and exhibitionist fetish materials in broad daylight all over Tokyo on a regular basis? No, they pick on the 69 year-old established artist who doesn't have any mob connections like the aforementioned  

Tokyo police will likely soon send papers to prosecutors on renowned photographer Kishin Shinoyama and two female models over the shooting of nude pictures in public areas for a book, sources said.

Shinoyama allegedly took photos of the two models late at night in places in central Tokyo, including the Akasaka and Aoyama districts, between July and September 2008.

Shinoyama, 69, and the two women are suspected of indecent exposure...

The photos were taken for a 60-page book, titled "No Nude by Kishin 1 20XX Tokyo," published in January 2009. The models were photographed at cemeteries, wedding halls and on JR railway tracks, among other locations.


http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/20100124TDY02302.htm

For anyone unfamiliar with him, this is probably one of his most well-known photographs:



[Edited 2010-01-25 02:17:21]


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User currently offlineTU204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1103 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

I am assuming public exposure is illegal in Japan, if so, he broke the law. Period. The other day I was stopped for speeding near moscow going 109 in a 100. Two cars passed me in the left lane going atleast 120. My fiance started pointing this out to the inspector when I told her to be quiet. I was guilty of speeding regardless of what anyone else was doing on that highway at the time. PERIOD.


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User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3238 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2850 times:
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Quoting TU204 (Reply 1):
My fiance started pointing this out to the inspector when I told her to be quiet.

Are you still engaged?  Cool



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5225 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2846 times:



Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
Or perhaps the hundreds (if not thousands) of porn producers who are shooting public blowjobs and exhibitionist fetish materials in broad daylight all over Tokyo on a regular basis?

Seriously? As in you can just be walking down the street and happen upon a porn shoot?



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7951 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2838 times:



Quoting OA412 (Reply 3):
Seriously? As in you can just be walking down the street and happen upon a porn shoot?

In five years here I've seen it at least three times myself. Most people pretend it's not happening. Pretty suspicious when a guy and gal exit a restroom with video camera equipment!

Quoting TU204 (Reply 1):
I am assuming public exposure is illegal in Japan, if so, he broke the law.

It's only illegal if it causes nuisance or offense to others. The photos were all taken at night so pretty hard for that to be the case. At any rate, it's stupid. There are clubs where couples can have live sex in front of others in major cities, there are bars where men can get coffee from women standing on mirrored floors in crotchless skirts, a quick google search will yield hundreds of exhibitionist websites of housewives and office ladies posing all over the countryside for their husbands or anyone who will pay - there's an entire blog network supporting such activity. Where are the arrests??



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12058 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2775 times:



Quoting TU204 (Reply 1):
I am assuming public exposure is illegal in Japan,



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 4):
It's only illegal if it causes nuisance or offense to others.

If this is only nudity, and no sex, why is it illegal in Japan? Don't the Japanese still have public baths where entire families go and also get naked?


User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2823 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2738 times:



Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
the hundreds (if not thousands) of porn producers who are shooting public blowjobs and exhibitionist fetish materials in broad daylight all over Tokyo on a regular basis

Funny how on the outside Japanese society seems all stiff and conservative and traditional, but some of the weirdest porn in the world comes from there. Stuff that makes 2 girls and a cup look like sesame steet.



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User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7344 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2717 times:



Quoting TU204 (Reply 1):
I am assuming public exposure is illegal in Japan, if so, he broke the law. Period.

Unless things have changed drastically, it is not prosecuted as illegal. Japanese culture is to not see such things unless forced to confront them. It was quite common to have a car pull up and park at the beach. See young men and women step out and disrobe and put on their swimsuits. Families, old farts, etc. It was not nudity, it was just what someone needed to do and was "not seen".

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 4):
It's only illegal if it causes nuisance or offense to others.

That is my experience.

Quoting TU204 (Reply 1):
The other day I was stopped for speeding near moscow going 109 in a 100. Two cars passed me in the left lane going atleast 120. My fiance started pointing this out to the inspector when I told her to be quiet. I was guilty of speeding regardless of what anyone else was doing on that highway at the time

Tell her the old US redneck joke.

Driver - Why did you stop me and not the other guys.

Cop - Ever go fishing? Ever catch all of them?


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2660 times:



Quoting TU204 (Reply 1):
The other day I was stopped for speeding near moscow going 109 in a 100.

Considering how fast people drive in Russia you were pretty unlucky to get caught.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 3):
Seriously? As in you can just be walking down the street and happen upon a porn shoot?

Yup Jap porn is damm kinky stuff, loads of on the street, in trains and busses stuff.

What really annoys me about Japanese porn is all the crying, can't Japanese girls get shagged without crying, I thought it was only something they did for the movies then I found out that that is just what they do, I wonder why?


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7737 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2646 times:



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
What really annoys me about Japanese porn is all the crying, can't Japanese girls get shagged without crying, I thought it was only something they did for the movies then I found out that that is just what they do, I wonder why?

All Japanese women are into rape fantasies???

A bit of a personal question, you don't have to answer. In your romantic interludes w/ Japanese women was it all pixelated down there too?  Wink



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11572 posts, RR: 61
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2639 times:



Quoting DesertJets (Reply 9):
In your romantic interludes w/ Japanese women was it all pixelated down there too? Wink

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7951 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2522 times:



Quoting Alberchico (Reply 6):

Funny how on the outside Japanese society seems all stiff and conservative and traditional, but some of the weirdest porn in the world comes from there.

That's precisely my point - and why this kind of selective prosecution picking on an artist pisses me off.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
What really annoys me about Japanese porn is all the crying

That's what the male audience wants to see to fulfill their domination fantasies. It's just a tad screwed up.

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 9):
All Japanese women are into rape fantasies???

No, though I've encountered some innnnnteresting ones all the same.  hyper 

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 9):

A bit of a personal question, you don't have to answer. In your romantic interludes w/ Japanese women was it all pixelated down there too?

Luckily, no! That was a good one though.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2416 times:



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 11):
That's what the male audience wants to see to fulfill their domination fantasies. It's just a tad screwed up.

Maybe Japanese males but not kiwi ones.

My theory goes something like this, the average Japanese male according to my ex Japanese girlfriend has a tiny penis, so to make said Japanese male (with the small penis) think he's a stud the Japanese girls cry so it makes the Japanese male feel he's the boss and his penis is a whopper and is causing a bit of pain. Just putting it out there.


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5225 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2413 times:



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 12):
My theory goes something like this, the average Japanese male according to my ex Japanese girlfriend has a tiny penis, so to make said Japanese male (with the small penis) think he's a stud the Japanese girls cry so it makes the Japanese male feel he's the boss and his penis is a whopper and is causing a bit of pain. Just putting it out there.

Wow that's some seriously twisted stuff. They need to do what those in the US with small penises do, buy every gun known to man.  Big grin



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12058 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2361 times:



Quoting OA412 (Reply 13):
Wow that's some seriously twisted stuff. They need to do what those in the US with small penises do, buy every gun known to man.

Now that is truly a twisted thought.


User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1201 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2262 times:



Quoting OA412 (Reply 13):
They need to do what those in the US with small penises do, buy every gun known to man.

Or drive big gas-guzzler cars. Big grin


User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2550 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2250 times:



Quoting TU204 (Reply 1):
I am assuming public exposure is illegal in Japan, if so, he broke the law. Period. The other day I was stopped for speeding near moscow going 109 in a 100. Two cars passed me in the left lane going atleast 120. My fiance started pointing this out to the inspector when I told her to be quiet. I was guilty of speeding regardless of what anyone else was doing on that highway at the time. PERIOD.

That's bad luck !

Slightly off topic

I was in Moscow about 4 years ago with a Russian friend who works for the interior ministry,he is a crazy driver at the best of times, however when he drove me back to the airport the on the day I was leaving I think we were doing about 134/40 through the streets of the capital. He said that 99.9% of the time such things were possible in the USSR and if you do get caught all you do is reach for your wallet!!!



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39477 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2250 times:



Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
hundreds (if not thousands) of porn producers who are shooting public blowjobs and exhibitionist fetish materials in broad daylight all over Tokyo on a regular basis?

I really need to spend more time in Japan.  Smile
Not sure why Kishin Shinoyama was singled out.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
Yup Jap porn is damm kinky stuff, loads of on the street, in trains and busses stuff.

Cool.  Cool

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 4):
There are clubs where couples can have live sex in front of others in major cities, there are bars where men can get coffee from women standing on mirrored floors in crotchless skirts,

Sweet!  bigthumbsup 

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
What really annoys me about Japanese porn is all the crying, can't Japanese girls get shagged without crying, I thought it was only something they did for the movies then I found out that that is just what they do, I wonder why?

I picked up a Japanese movie and it has a lot of crying. I simply didn't get it but at the same time, I am not trying to figure it out either. I just hit the mute button.
None of the Japanese women I've slept with were crying. It was the usual moaning and calling out my name like all other women.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39477 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2241 times:



Quoting Afterburner (Reply 15):
Or drive big gas-guzzler cars.

I think you meant to type big gas-guzzler SUVs.
Technically those aren't cars.



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User currently offlineZentraedi From Japan, joined Jun 2007, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2197 times:



Quoting TU204 (Reply 1):
I am assuming public exposure is illegal in Japan, if so, he broke the law. Period. The other day I was stopped for speeding near moscow going 109 in a 100. Two cars passed me in the left lane going atleast 120. My fiance started pointing this out to the inspector when I told her to be quiet. I was guilty of speeding regardless of what anyone else was doing on that highway at the time. PERIOD.

The big problem is that in Japan, the laws and enforcement are fairly arbitrary. That's upsets people and rouses cries of "hypocrisy". Pornography with public sex acts is actually quite common, yet you'll never see persecution of this. It's also not hard to come across sub-18 porn /soft-core porn being sold in the open. As long as it maintains a low profile, people look the other way.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 12):
My theory goes something like this, the average Japanese male according to my ex Japanese girlfriend has a tiny penis, so to make said Japanese male (with the small penis) think he's a stud the Japanese girls cry so it makes the Japanese male feel he's the boss and his penis is a whopper and is causing a bit of pain. Just putting it out there.

Another thing we have to look at is that Japanese men are incredibly undersexed compared to the rest of the world. In how many other countries is it considered perfectly normal for a married couple to sleep in separate rooms? When men are frustrated and undersexed, we will turn to more fetish/rape/domination material to feed unfulfilled fantasies--and that's exactly what you're seeing.


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