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McDonald's 'wrong' To Fire Worker Over Cheese  
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27337 posts, RR: 60
Posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3345 times:

McDonald's 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice

A McDonald's outlet in the Netherlands was wrong to sack an employee for giving a colleague a piece of cheese on a hamburger, a court has ruled.
The waitress was fired last March after she sold a hamburger to a co-worker who then asked for cheese, which she added.
The fast-food chain argued this turned the hamburger into a cheeseburger, and so she should have charged more.
But Leeuwarden district court ruled a written warning would have been more appropriate.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8481827.stm

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A bit petty really and typical of McDonalds in their global operations.

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User currently offlineRabenschlag From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3330 times:

In Germany, we had similar cases, the most ridiculous one being that someone was fired because he charged his private cellphone at work (thereby stealing energy). The damage was at the level of a cent or so, but iirc, this was also sacked by a court ruling.

User currently offlineFCA767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1786 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3325 times:

This is a funny thing about mc donalds
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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 9292 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3293 times:

About 25 years ago, my daughter and her lifetime friend went to work for McDonald's while in high school. they were both refused a scheduled 5 cents and hour raise because they would not ask every customer if they wanted cheese on their hamburgers. The customers used to growl back when they did ask "If I wanted cheese, I would have asked for it" I could identify with that, I used to growl the same thing when asked. After enough of that, they would not ask. I guess cheese is still an important item for McDonald"s


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User currently offlineRabenschlag From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3290 times:



Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 3):
guess cheese is still an important item for McDonald"s

And I keep wondering: Is this even cheese?


User currently offlineFlanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1661 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3263 times:

From a point of view of contract, yes they should fire her. She signed the agreement.

Would i have done it that way if i was management? Maybe not.



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User currently offlineFCA767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1786 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3197 times:



Quoting Rabenschlag (Reply 4):
And I keep wondering: Is this even cheese?

Is it even Burger?

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 3):
I guess cheese is still an important item for McDonald"s

Ya know what  Smile I tried picking a bit of meat that wasn't covered by cheese, and it just tasted like Rubber...I think that's why they use cheese to cover the fact that it tastes like sh*t


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3175 times:



Quoting Flanker (Reply 5):
From a point of view of contract, yes they should fire her. She signed the agreement.

Germany, unlike most US states, requires just cause.

Quoting Rabenschlag (Reply 4):

And I keep wondering: Is this even cheese?

Nah. Just Process Cheese Food Product.  Silly



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3102 times:

Should they have fired her for giving the lady a s***ty burger?

Now at In and Out that would have never happened!



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 3014 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3084 times:



Quoting Rabenschlag (Reply 1):
In Germany, we had similar cases, the most ridiculous one being that someone was fired because he charged his private cellphone at work (thereby stealing energy). The damage was at the level of a cent or so, but iirc, this was also sacked by a court ruling.

So stealing is all right then according to you, it just depends how much you steal. A little is ok but anymore is not ?

Quoting Flanker (Reply 5):
From a point of view of contract, yes they should fire her. She signed the agreement.

Well said.
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User currently offlineRabenschlag From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3049 times:



Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 9):
So stealing is all right then according to you, it just depends how much you steal. A little is ok but anymore is not ?

No, it is never ok, but:
(a) it not always clear what constitutes stealing. What, for isntance, if someone eats stuff that would have been thrown away anyways? In the case of the mobile phone, I think it is not clear too. You could also argue that an employee is stealing because he is overheating his office. Or flushing the toilet twice.
(b) the amount matters when it comes to evaluating the consequences. The consequences should be in line with the harm that was done.

The case that I quoted failed in both respects, and that is what the judges thought too.


User currently offlineNws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 926 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3020 times:

Was this her first offense? If so a warning over the .10 slice of cheese would've been sufficient. If this was a chronic issue then yes they should fire her.

Why didn't they fire the co-worker who apparently tried to save a few cents by getting a hamburger instead of a cheeseburger to begin with?


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2914 times:

Where is the world going to.......... 
get the homly feeling back.....
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User currently offlineJJJ From Spain, joined May 2006, 1891 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2898 times:



Quoting Flanker (Reply 5):
From a point of view of contract, yes they should fire her. She signed the agreement.

Well, a private contract can't contradict national law so in the end that slice of cheese cost McDo's 4.000 euro.

The judge is clear that a written reprimand would have been enough or even charging her for the slice of cheese (what, 0,02? 0,05? euro).


User currently offlineFCA767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1786 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2892 times:



Quoting JJJ (Reply 13):

The judge is clear that a written reprimand would have been enough or even charging her for the slice of cheese

Although I bet she's happy to take 6 months wages than working there  


User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3848 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2875 times:



Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 9):
So stealing is all right then according to you, it just depends how much you steal. A little is ok but anymore is not ?

Stealing is never ok, but the punishment for stealing should be commensurate with the amount stealed.

Surely stealing a few cents worth of consumables does not justify being fired, just as you probably would not find fair being fired for stealing a paper clip at the office.



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User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2874 times:

If this had happened in the USA, she would have gotten her job back, a promotion, $10, 000,000. and a lifetime supply of apple pies........................Land of the free lottery ticket, if you have a good enough lawyer!!  banghead 

User currently offlineFCA767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1786 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2842 times:



Quoting Mudboy (Reply 16):
lifetime supply of apple pies

HAHA! Apples Pies were the only real thing I used to go into Mc Donalds for, once I had gone off Rubber burgers 


User currently offlineFerengi80 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2830 times:
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If this happened in the UK, I would imagine the courts would have thrown it out straight away. She would have won a case of unfair dismissal straight away. I cannot believe that in this day and age a global corporation such as McDonald's can be so petty... all for a slice of yellow plastic.

I hope she takes the bastards to court and sues their asses off!



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User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3848 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2803 times:



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 15):
stealed

I believe I meant stolen... Or is it 'stealationed'?

 ashamed 



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User currently offlineAirtrainer From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 1559 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2799 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 12):
Where is the world going to..........

This is exactly what I was wondering...



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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3012 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2790 times:
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Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 9):
So stealing is all right then according to you, it just depends how much you steal. A little is ok but anymore is not ?

Charging a cell phone on the employer's electricity isn't "stealing". I think the keyword here is "common sense". Stealing requires an intention. An average person wouldn't even remotely think that charging a cellphone is "stealing electricity". It's not that he's doing it maliciously, as in "hey cool, I'm taking so-and-so many electrons away from my employer". Also, the effective cost involved in charging a cell phone is so low that it's barely measurable. Probably the 30 seconds required to plug in the charger are worth more (in work-minutes) than the actual power drawn.

What employer would complain because the employees charge a cell phone? How ridiculous can this be?



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7846 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2743 times:



Quoting OA260 (Thread starter):
A bit petty really and typical of McDonalds in their global operations.

I wonder if it was actually McDonalds who fired the girl or the local franchise holder?


User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1708 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2722 times:



Quoting ManuCH (Reply 21):
Charging a cell phone on the employer's electricity isn't "stealing". I think the keyword here is "common sense". Stealing requires an intention. An average person wouldn't even remotely think that charging a cellphone is "stealing electricity". It's not that he's doing it maliciously, as in "hey cool, I'm taking so-and-so many electrons away from my employer". Also, the effective cost involved in charging a cell phone is so low that it's barely measurable. Probably the 30 seconds required to plug in the charger are worth more (in work-minutes) than the actual power drawn.

What employer would complain because the employees charge a cell phone? How ridiculous can this be?

Exactly. I bet that same employee uses the washroom facilities as well, thereby 'stealing' water. It's ridiculous, IMHO.


User currently offlineFCA767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1786 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2667 times:

I wouldn't work for a large employer if I don't get a free drinks machine  

RAC Gave us free drinks, Duty Free gave us free tea...Royal Mail didn't...and they charge you 40p for this tiny cup size if an airliner tiny glass thing...
I can tell when a company has respect from free drinks  
Burger King I did work for 2 days and got free food  


25 Aeroflot001 : How sad! I know that if I owned a McDonalds I would let the employees have a daily free meal if they wished. Most employees probably wouldn't want to
26 Post contains images FCA767 : LOL Don't go to mcdonalds...Don't You would be a good employer
27 AR385 : I worked in a consulting capacity with McDonald´s on a big energy project back in 2000. We had to learn a lot about their processes and machines. I
28 N1120A : Could be either. McDonalds has one of the highest percentages of corporate ownership of a heavily franchised brand out there. They are not at all lik
29 TheCommodore : Read reply 1 by Rabenschlag
30 Post contains images Signol : Once with a mate we were in McDo in Australia (I think) and they had an offer - buy a quarter pounder meal and get a free cheeseburger. My mate doesn'
31 Post contains images Leezyjet : Funnily enough with this being an Aviation forum, Ryanair are well known for not allowing employee's to charge their mobile phones on company propert
32 N1120A : All of these would quickly land Ryanair in a world of hurt if they operated in the State of California. Only the type rating thing, which can be seen
33 TheCommodore : Thank god were not in America then, because I see nothing wrong with it and as an employer I would do the same. I couldn't agree more, I think its ou
34 N1120A : Really? Making someone pay for what you REQUIRE them to have to keep their job? That is abusive. Good for morale. More to the point, it is bad for mo
35 Post contains links and images VarigB707 : Typical of a big corporation. That's why we all need the Unions. Go Local 745!
36 TheCommodore : I didn't say that you did. If the employer requires them to have a mobile phone for the job they are employed to do then they should provide it. I sa
37 N1120A : Look at what you quoted again. It had nothing to do with mobile phone charging. Given the nature of air travel, private mobiles are a necessity.
38 Allrite : Funny how a corporation can get upset with an employee "stealing" a pen, a little electricity etc, but will probably see no issue with making an empl
39 TheCommodore : You've lost me there. I was talking about charging an employee's private mobile while at work. Not a mobile that is given to the employee by the empl
40 N1120A : What you quoted had nothing at all to do with mobile phones. Read it again. You did this before. Again, as you said, that is petty.
41 TheCommodore : I must be having a blond moment, what was I quoting then?
42 N1120A : Please read the portions that I quoted and noted would be against the law. None of them had to do with mobile phones. The only thing I said about ban
43 Post contains images TheCommodore : I was referring to the last quote by Leezyjet+Ryanair which was in your post 33. He was referring to Ryanair charging there personal mobiles on compan
44 MoltenRock : I think the last time I ate at a McDonalds was 15 years ago (maybe more). Gross.
45 Maverick623 : Yea, right: Even in right-to-work states, if it can be shown the manager fired her directly, and only, as a result of putting a single piece of chees
46 MoltenRock : It's called contingency, aka ambulance chasing. You obviously have very little exposure to the legal system and its realities. Consider yourself luck
47 Post contains images Mudboy : You have such a better way with words than I do!
48 Post contains images HAWK21M : Soon companies will pay employees on the quantity of calories burned on the job. You did not burn xyz calories today so heres a deduction in your sala
49 Nws2002 : Might fix that little problem with have with obesity. Win-win.
50 Post contains images HAWK21M : depends on what the company standards are Could end up having dehydrated & skinny people. regds MEL.
51 Post contains images Leezyjet : Because airline crew are often required to be on Standby which requires them to be contactable at all times, however the airline does NOT provide the
52 Mudboy : HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You don't have to worry about that in the States!!
53 Post contains images HAWK21M : Blame the cheese Burger & fries regds MEL.
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