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Obama's SOTU: The Good, Bad, And Ugly  
User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8289 posts, RR: 26
Posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3256 times:

Not trying to be daft with the spaghetti western reference here but there are few similar phrases that can capture the essence of his speech. I think it says a lot about the substance of it all that the thing I was most impressed by was the announcement of the First Lady's new initiative to tackle childhood obesity - something that if successful could save more future health care dollars than anything Congress is juggling now! Between that and her efforts to expand outreach to military families, she's certainly doing better than hubby this week.

As usual, the President delivered the speech well. There were a few good things on the economic and education front - the proposals to reinvigorate small business growth, cut their taxes, pare down capital gains penalties, and expand private alternatives to failing public schools are golden. And he made the point well about the necessity of improving educational performance overall (though I'd like to know how the WH plans to pay for forgiving student loans after 20 years!)

I think he'll have a lot of trouble with fellow Democrats on expansion of nuclear power and offshore drilling, but that's an excellent call to action as well. Of course, eradicating the idiotic DADT policy is long overdue, but he finally seems serious about it. Getting all earmarks on a single website is a fantastic idea, but he knows and we know it'll never happen.

The bad, well, let's just put it out there - this jobs bill stuff is pie in the sky! I'm not at all convinced that his heart is behind winning over the business community in general. Outsourcing is going to continue, market realities will not change the nature of foreign trade negotiations, and there's absolutely no evidence that American business can do the "green revolution" cheaper or more effectively than Asian competitors. There aren't nearly enough infrastructure projects in the lower 48 to generate the job numbers he's hoping for, so that's out as well unless we want to build ourselves into debt-ridden oblivion. These populist fees on banks?? Forget it - just show Geithner the door, and I think plenty of people on all ends of the spectrum will be happy. That rhetoric was completely lost on me.

Now for the ugly - this speech was far more partisan than I expected - and a lot of other independents I've heard from were disappointed by that as well. Presidents always use a little sarcasm in the SOTU when addressing the "other side", but this speech was chock full of it, complete with long lingering looks to the Republican rafters. I think substantive progress on health care is seriously imperiled unless he changes his tone - he still seems to be oblivious to the fact that a couple of changes to the health care plan might bring enough GOPers over to get it done, and the solutions have already been suggested though he claims he's listening.

I also call a harsh foul on his verbal rebuke to the Supreme Court - we have checks and balances for a reason. Congress can not simply pass laws to "get around" USSC decisions. That was pure political bravado and completely uncalled for. I lost quite a bit of respect for him in that moment, and frankly have to wonder who put that in the speech (calling Rahm Emanuel??) and why the President allowed it to stay in.

"Last week, the Supreme Court reversed a century of law to open the floodgates for special interests — including foreign corporations — to spend without limit in our elections," Obama said."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/politi...Justice_Alitos_You_lie_moment.html

The SOTU is not the forum for taking up disagreements with the Court, period.


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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3249 times:

Somebody tell me what the hell Joe Biden was laughing about during much of the SOTU? Everytime I looked, he was laughing about something, even when Obama wasn't cracking a joke or making witty/sarcastic remarks.

User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3242 times:

I have never been one to enjoy the annual political pep rally. It makes me realize how fake most politicians are, with their cheering and opposition by remaining seated and refusing to clap. Hearing more campaign rhetoric and promises, that never seem to be kept. And before I get flamed, I want it to be known this is not directed at President Obama, who I think is an excellent orator, but more at the clowns in the crowd on both sides of the aisle. I think I would enjoy it more if it were just the President giving the speech from the Oval Office.

User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3244 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
Somebody tell me what the hell Joe Biden was laughing about during much of the SOTU? Everytime I looked, he was laughing about something, even when Obama wasn't cracking a joke or making witty/sarcastic remarks.

I wondered a bit about that but worked out he too had memorised the speech and he knew what was coming. I think I too would have smiled a couple of times knowing where the sentence was leading.

We watched the speech here about 6 hours ago, I can scarcely believe that a thread was only started about 16 minutes ago. Well other than an incorrect one on Foxy news not carrying it.

Astonishing. But then again, it will probably be nowhere near as astonishing as what is about to appear on this thread!

Seemed an OK speech to me, except of course for the US style of staged pauses and standing applause drives me mad. But that is hardly an Obama introduction.

The reply seemed rather mealy mouthed.


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7361 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3189 times:
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When did national security become discretionary spending?  confused 

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
As usual, the President delivered the speech well.

Seriously? Teleprompters helped but he still managed to fumble.

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
this speech was far more partisan than I expected

What did he hope to accomplish by calling out the SCOTUS? Alito & Sotomeyer didn't like it one bit.


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3170 times:

I wish I was there so when Nancy Pelosi was standing up and pretending to show support when Obama was thanking the men and women of the armed services, I could tell her to sit down and shut up because I know otherwise that she's a lying scumbag when it comes to caring about the men and women in the military. Anyway...

Yes, he did a good job at delivering the speech. That is one of Obama's best qualities. But after watching this speech, you can't tell me he's not a socialist (at least borderline) in disguise. "We're going to charge big banks a fee to cover for the little banks that haven't paid their money back yet" - so wait Obama - the ones who have paid their money back will now have to pay twice? Where's the incentive to pay off your debts in the first place? And then his "College Debt Forgiveness" - there's another incentive not to pay off your college bills. Did I miss something, or can I go to Duke University now and just take out loans and refuse to pay them off because in 20 years the debt will be "forgiven"? I'm sure banks will just love to loan out to college students now, knowing that the money may have to be "forgiven" and possibly never recovered.

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
I also call a harsh foul on his verbal rebuke to the Supreme Court

I caught that as well - uncalled for. And they looked pissed about it too.

I was also fed up with "When I inherited". "In the previous eight years". "In the last decade". The people are getting fed up with "Blame George Bush", and it's not going to cut it anymore. He's been in office a year. He's in command now, and it's up to him and his administration to do stuff rather than just making excuses and pointing the finger elsewhere. He also ever did mention that the budget surplus of the late 90s was in large part due to a Republican controlled Congress that acted like responsible fiscal conservatives.

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
I think it says a lot about the substance of it all that the thing I was most impressed by was the announcement of the First Lady's new initiative to tackle childhood obesity

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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7361 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3152 times:
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User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3126 times:



Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):

Great post Aaron and I agreed with all of your distinctions between the 'Good' the 'Bad' and the 'Ugly'.  checkmark 

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 5):

Great post  checkmark  Being the brother of a doctor in the Army, I can tell you I wanted to vomit when Nancy Pelosi stood up and clapped for our men in women in service. I absolutely loath that P.O.S. woman.

A few other points. What was he trying to accomplish by playing the defiant hardball and staying on course with his leftist-statist policies that the American people by in large have rejected. NO Cap and Trade. NO Health Care Reform as is stands in both bills. NO more stimulus, porkulus, bogus jobs bills, etc. Oh, and I thoroughly enjoyed his remarks on cutting taxes on '95% of Americans'.  rotfl  Really!? Have any of you fellow American members noticed a cut in your taxes?? And his bloviating about not 'raising' taxes...again  rotfl  He hasn't raised taxes YET. But tax increases most assuredly are coming. The Dems and previous Reps have spent far too much money to not raise taxes.

Also, let me get this straight. Bush ran up a $1T deficit in '08 and the Dems spend another $3T in '09 so that makes it ok?? Please Barry Obama and the Democrats, can't you come up with any better solutions than to just spend more, regulate more, and grow the Federal Government?? I'm also glad Obama is more optimistic than ever about the future...cause most Americans I know certainly don't share his optimism.



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User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2957 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3126 times:



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 5):
Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
I also call a harsh foul on his verbal rebuke to the Supreme Court

I caught that as well - uncalled for. And they looked pissed about it too



Quoting FXramper (Reply 4):
Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
this speech was far more partisan than I expected

What did he hope to accomplish by calling out the SCOTUS? Alito & Sotomeyer didn't like it one bit

So the Supreme Court passed a highly controversial ruling that will affect this country for decades to come and Obama dosen't have the right to call them out on it ? It was better to bring that to the nations attention during this event. I was actually expecting him to mention it.



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User currently offlineMoltenRock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3115 times:

Obama needs to add 6 to 10 justices to the SCOTUS, and the SCOTUS deserved every bit of the lecture and distain. The decision is disgraceful.

That said, I saw the news clips of his speech, and just more blah, blah, blah, blah. Here's a radical idea, go actually do something, then I'll believe Obama. He's run away from his base, who are so angry at him for being a sellout chicken to the RNC that unless something changes drastically in the next 10 months, aren't interested in voting for more great speeches followed up by the President play an impotent rag doll to the Republican hate machine, while the Senate plays Pick-Up-Sticks with their butt cheeks all year.

But hey look on the bright side, Presidents can spend endless billions & trillions with the enthusiastic RNC to go wage war and send soldiers to far off places.  boggled 


User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11797 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3102 times:



Quoting FXramper (Reply 4):
Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
As usual, the President delivered the speech well.

Seriously? Teleprompters helped but he still managed to fumble.

I guess Bush would have done well without his teleprompters....

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 5):
I was also fed up with "When I inherited". "In the previous eight years". "In the last decade". The people are getting fed up with "Blame George Bush",

So, Obama is the only one to blame for the deficit, all the wars, failing banks, no health care.....

It was a good speech, overall. He sounds like he is starting to cave to the right. Watching his policies over the past few months makes me think he actually is a rightie and last nights SOTU address just confirmed that.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3099 times:



Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
Outsourcing is going to continue

Of course they will because the DNC doesn't believe in decreasing the burden on them by slashing taxes at a time when we need to get businesses both big and small hiring. It is the fundamental that is killing us and will kill his political career. Stop listening to Nancy Pelosi and pass legistlation that rewards businesses that hire and give health care by lowering their operating costs. Not the other way around.

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
this speech was far more partisan than I expected

Everyone needs to realize that this bi-partisan stuff is a sham. The second Pelosi mouthed the words "we won" it was in stone. The DNC does not want any input from the GOP. They don't want to hear their ideas, they don't even want them in the discussions. Which is why Nancy Pelosi does not want CSPAN anywhere near the debates. They want things done their way and their way only. All this stuff on CNN and MSNBC is propaganda. It is why states and counties are voting in Republican candidates in droves now. It's a total power grab and Rachel Maddow can only fool a small percentage of people when she constantly blurts out "obstructionists!" and why she wants the DNC to try to get rid of the filabuster. There is a good reason for that filabuster Rachel. To prevent the power grab that is being attempted. Which is why your health care bill crashed and burned. Obama can deliver us the talking points as good as anyone and can give a good speech but watch congress closely and how they act. Night and day.

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
The SOTU is not the forum for taking up disagreements with the Court, period.

I think Obama had to throw that out there on the heels of a very bad election looming for his party. Once the bloodbath is over he needs a way to blame someone (you know instead of admitting any Dem Sen or Rep that loses sucked) for the mass losses. This is just another step in the propaganda war against big business.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
Somebody tell me what the hell Joe Biden was laughing about during much of the SOTU? Everytime I looked, he was laughing about something, even when Obama wasn't cracking a joke or making witty/sarcastic remarks.

Him and Pelosi did the same thing. I think it is a tactic used by the Dems to try to portray a positive image at a time when Pelosi has incurred an embarrassing and crushing defeat to her health care bill and the party was handed a huge loss in MA with Teddy's seat going to the GOP. I think it's just a way to make the general public think they are in a good position when in reality their wheels are flying off at highway speeds on an unpaved road.

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 2):
I think I would enjoy it more if it were just the President giving the speech from the Oval Office.

I agree, last night smelled too much of a campaign stop and not a sitting president speaking to us.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 5):
That is one of Obama's best qualities. But after watching this speech, you can't tell me he's not a socialist (at least borderline) in disguise. "We're going to charge big banks a fee to cover for the little banks that haven't paid their money back yet" - so wait Obama - the ones who have paid their money back will now have to pay twice? Where's the incentive to pay off your debts in the first place? And then his "College Debt Forgiveness" - there's another incentive not to pay off your college bills

This was part of the speech I found very interesting. I mean as far as the banks go if you catch a bank that you lended money to giving big bonuses I agree they should have to pay the bailout money back ASAP or face huge fees or taxes. For the banks that have paid the bailout back well it has to be hands off. Wasn't the college debt forgiveness for people who took certain public jobs? I don't think that is such a bad idea.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 5):
I was also fed up with "When I inherited". "In the previous eight years". "In the last decade". The people are getting fed up with "Blame George Bush", and it's not going to cut it anymore

Well this tactic will be in use till the bitter end. You need to remember that the DNC is in serious trouble and never thought a year ago that they would be in this position. Obama has been exposed not following through on his promises, health care is dead in the water and they are about to get trounced in the mid terms basically rendering their super majority gone. They have to pull out all the tricks and you can count on blaming Bush and Cheney and an even worse propaganda campaign from CNN and MSNBC. Matthews was in rare form last night acting like the speech was some sort of religious thing fom him. Once the polls start to come out the far left will be in full attack mode.


Did you guys notice the first lady? Boy does she seem like she harbors a lot hate. She didn't smile and had a scowl most of the time. I guess she still isn't proud of her country huh?


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3084 times:



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 5):
I know otherwise that she's a lying scumbag when it comes to caring about the men and women in the military.



Quoting EA772LR (Reply 7):
I can tell you I wanted to vomit when Nancy Pelosi stood up and clapped for our men in women in service.

I'll get off both of your backs once you provide some sources for you claims about Nancy Pelosi not supporting our troops. Until then, your claims are meaningless.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3074 times:



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 10):
I guess Bush would have done well without his teleprompters....

Doubtful. Dubya never got a whole sentence right when he was forced to talk policy on his own, without notes and without teleprompters. I still recall that even with the teleprompter, he was the least articulate politician I've ever seen in my entire life.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 11):
Him and Pelosi did the same thing. I think it is a tactic used by the Dems to try to portray a positive image at a time when Pelosi has incurred an embarrassing and crushing defeat to her health care bill and the party was handed a huge loss in MA with Teddy's seat going to the GOP. I think it's just a way to make the general public think they are in a good position when in reality their wheels are flying off at highway speeds on an unpaved road.

Not to defend Pelosi, but I saw her more restraint. At most, she smiled a lot, while it was Joe who was laughing his ass off.


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3068 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 11):
For the banks that have paid the bailout back well it has to be hands off. Wasn't the college debt forgiveness for people who took certain public jobs? I don't think that is such a bad idea.

There were two parts to the debt forgiveness as far as I could tell. Yes, one was for public service and I think it's a good idea as well. However, the second part (well, the way I interpreted it) was that all unpaid debt would be forgiven 20 years after college because "no one should be broke just because they chose to go to college".

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 7):
Being the brother of a doctor in the Army, I can tell you I wanted to vomit when Nancy Pelosi stood up and clapped for our men in women in service. I absolutely loath that P.O.S. woman.

She is awful. I've posted it on this forum before but I don't feel that I can post it enough - my mom watched her lie straight faced to wounded soldiers while Pelosi was on a "Kodak Moment" tour over in Germany.

Quoting FXramper (Reply 6):
Where was Hillary and who was the cabinet member in Dick Cheney's secret location?

Secretary Shaun Donovan (Housing and Urban Development)

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 7):
Also, let me get this straight. Bush ran up a $1T deficit in '08 and the Dems spend another $3T in '09 so that makes it ok?? Please Barry Obama and the Democrats, can't you come up with any better solutions than to just spend more, regulate more, and grow the Federal Government?? I'm also glad Obama is more optimistic than ever about the future...cause most Americans I know certainly don't share his optimism.

What I just find amusing is how when Obama does many of the same things that liberals ripped on Bush for, they still praise Obama. "How is Bush managing to cut taxes?!?!?!" Well, Obama's "cutting" taxes but the liberals aren't up in arms about that. "Bush ran up huge defecits!" But the liberals aren't mad about Obama's defecits that are making Bush's look like pocket change.

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 8):
So the Supreme Court passed a highly controversial ruling that will affect this country for decades to come and Obama dosen't have the right to call them out on it ? It was better to bring that to the nations attention during this event. I was actually expecting him to mention it.

So just what can he do or is he going to do? The only way around the SCOTUS is a constitutional amendment because if Congress passed a law trying to over-ride the Supreme Court, they could just declare it unconstitutional.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3061 times:



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 14):
the second part (well, the way I interpreted it) was that all unpaid debt would be forgiven 20 years after college because "no one should be broke just because they chose to go to college".

There has to be conditions on that. Maybe if the debtor was making payments of has paid some of it back etc. Def need more info on that one.


User currently offlineLuckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3055 times:



Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 9):
Obama needs to add 6 to 10 justices to the SCOTUS,

I'm sorry, could you explain that further...because on the surface it would appear that you are oblivious to the fact that the SCOTUS only has 9 members, and it's been that way since 1869. If you're suggesting otherwise, be aware that the last time a president attempted to expand that was FDR in 1937 in if you ask me one of the most disturbing attempts at grabbing power in the United States I've ever read about. It was an understated disaster for him being defeated 70-20 in a Senate comprised of 69 Democrats. Given the rocky political situation at the moment it would be political suicide for Obama to even suggest a similar motion. That doesn't mean it can't be done, but there's no way in hell that would not be filibustered even if it came close to the requisite number of votes.

With reference to Obama threatening to veto, as with every veto he better be assured 2/3 of Congress won't override. Considering how catty things are in the Democratic ranks right now he's really walking a tight line in his own party.


User currently offlineMoltenRock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3047 times:



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 14):
So just what can he do or is he going to do? The only way around the SCOTUS is a constitutional amendment because if Congress passed a law trying to over-ride the Supreme Court, they could just declare it unconstitutional.

Actually there's a number of things that can be done. 1.) The President can expand the court by adding judges, with the consent of a majority vote from Congress. 2.) They can change a few laws that will compensate for unfettered corporate cash. 3.) States themselves can force the issue as each state has their own rules on how candidates may run, be funded, etc... If the candidates don't like it, they won't be able to run, period. 4.) The federal govt can do similar steps by eliminating all soft money from politics, public financing for campaigns, and other measures.

Will anyone do anything about it? I doubt it. America is simply impotent until the country can rally around something that threatens them. In the meantime Rome burns as the status quo and vested interests snipe at each other over the proper proununciation of tomato / tomatoe.


User currently offlineLuckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3043 times:

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 10):
no health care....

Because of course we had an excellent comprehensive Health Care plane before Bush came into office that the evil Hitler incarnate blew up...Seriously, it's laughable to blame the supposed lack of health care on Dubya. It's also laughable that the financial crisis rests solely on Bush when a nice chunk of the blame needs to be set squarely on a Congress in the late 1990's that for all intents and purposes forced banks to lend money to people who were never going to be able to pay it back and people not reading their damn mortgages and not using that lump three feet above their ass when they signed ARMs or living off of their credit cards because they just had to have that Acura when a Honda would have sufficed...

[Edited 2010-01-28 09:45:51 by luckyone]

User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11569 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3019 times:



Quoting FXramper (Reply 4):
What did he hope to accomplish by calling out the SCOTUS? Alito & Sotomeyer didn't like it one bit.

I don't know, but it puts them on notice that their actions will be called out in the highest arenas when they opine something strongly counter to the President's (and possibly the country's) view. I imagine that if Obama were a SCOTUS justice, he would have delivered a sharp dissent to that opinion.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3017 times:



Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 17):
The President can expand the court by adding judges, with the consent of a majority vote from Congress.

I guess that would require a 2/3 majority from both the house and the senate? And even if this goes through, adding most justices to the SCOTUS is easier said than done. Apart from nominations being often political, let's not forget how long those confirmation hearings in the Senate are. It could even take years for all nominations to be confirmed and by then Obama could have lost the 2012 elections and be on the way out.


User currently offlineLuckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3010 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 19):
I don't know, but it puts them on notice that their actions will be called out in the highest arenas when they opine something strongly counter to the President's (and possibly the country's) view. I imagine that if Obama were a SCOTUS justice, he would have delivered a sharp dissent to that opinion.

Ah yes, but, opinion doesn't always mean it's constitutional. The Supreme Court has a long history of delivering "unpopular" rulings, which IMHO is why we have them, to make sure we don't get carried away in the populace movement of the day. Obama might not be doing the wisest thing by picking a public fight with arguably the nine most powerful people in the country. Why, do you ask? Well, and at this point it's purely my conjecture, but they could possibly see what many people see as just arrogance and detachment as overstepping his Constitutional bounds.


User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2996 times:



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 14):
What I just find amusing is how when Obama does many of the same things that liberals ripped on Bush for, they still praise Obama. "How is Bush managing to cut taxes?!?!?!" Well, Obama's "cutting" taxes but the liberals aren't up in arms about that. "Bush ran up huge defecits!" But the liberals aren't mad about Obama's defecits that are making Bush's look like pocket change.

Typical Liberal 'do as I say, not as I do' rhetoric  liar  . I can't stress again how surprised I am that Obama is sticking to his far left agenda, knowing full well that the Dems lost in Virginia, New Jersey, Massachusetts mostly due to the crap going on in D.C. He needed to move back toward the center, but he didn't. And to be honest, I am glad he didn't cause he'll continue to fail in his agenda. I wish I could support him, but his policies are absolutely disastrous, and he and his cronies are just too arrogant, greedy, or stupid to see it.    banghead   irked   thumbsdown 

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 13):
Not to defend Pelosi, but I saw her more restraint. At most, she smiled a lot, while it was Joe who was laughing his ass off.

Yeah, but her eyes had the usual 'doped up' look. She looks high as a kite, and the botox isn't helping...As for lapdog Joe Biden, when he smiles, he just looks like a total creep. The kinda of $hit talking smile a used car salesman gives you just after you bought some beater that he rolled the odometer back on.

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 17):
America is simply impotent until the country can rally around something that threatens them.

Our 'impotence' has worked out fairly well for us over the last 2 and quarter centuries.  yes 



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User currently offlineMBMBOS From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2993 times:



Quoting FXramper (Reply 4):
Seriously? Teleprompters helped but he still managed to fumble.

From Wikipedia:

"Psychological projection or projection bias (including Freudian Projection) is the unconscious act of denial of a person's own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, such as to the weather, the government, a tool, or to other people. Thus, it involves imagining or projecting that others have the same feelings or motives, rather than what they really think.
Projection is considered one of the most profound and subtle of human psychological processes, and extremely difficult to work with, because by its nature it is hidden. It is the fundamental mechanism by which we keep ourselves uninformed about ourselves. "

Your implication that Obama is so intellectually challenged he must rely on scripts at all times is absurd in the extreme and demonstrably false. On many, many occasions he has spoken extemporaneously and in doing so has demonstrated a very keen intellect.

Perhaps you are confusing him with our prior president who had difficulty forming complete sentences, making proper word choices, recognizing Slobovia isn't really a country and most likely wearing some sort of listening device during one his debates with Senator Kerry.

Perhaps you're projecting?

But then again, keep repeating this meme. Say it long enough and you'll convince a portion of the population that it's true. At least that's how the right wing media plays it.


User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2970 times:



Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 23):
But then again, keep repeating this meme. Say it long enough and you'll convince a portion of the population that it's true. At least that's how the right wing media plays it.

 rotfl  That's how Obama and the Democrats pulled the blinders over the American public in 2008...they told the same lies enough that it became the truth. That almost sounds like something Rahm Emanuel would tell Obama as advice when addressing the public.



We often judge others by their actions, but ourselves by our intentions.
25 MoltenRock : No it doesn't require a 2/3 majority at all. Only a Constitutional amendment needs that many, and the Constitution doesn't set the number of judges a
26 MBMBOS : Ah! More projection. Congratulations!
27 NIKV69 : Well so far it seems only the far left is mad about it. So before you include the country I would wait for a little evidence. Schumer, Maddow, Schult
28 MoltenRock : Only in the delusional world of wingnut talk radio can Obama be considered "far left". But hey, wingnuts think letting the country continue to crumbl
29 EA772LR : Only in the delusional world outside of America could those who don't live here not consider Obama far left and his policies. Since you speak of thos
30 San747 : Absolutely. Conservative talk radio is entertaining. I'm as liberal as they come, and I've listened to Rush, Michael Savage, O'Reilly and local conse
31 FlyDeltaJets87 : Ah yes, one of the many lies of the left. Blame solely the Republicans in the Senate for the filibuster when the Democrats had the Super Majority, bu
32 MoltenRock : I am a naturalized citizen of the USA, but hold 2 citizenships & my resident status of Singapore. Fortunately, there's this thing called the internet
33 Dreadnought : HHas he ever written anything of legal import? He's no judge, and while he has a law degree he has almost no experience as a lawyer either. If Obama
34 Luckyone : FDR most certainly did try. See the Judiciary Reorganization Bill of 1937. He even gave a Fireside chat (no. 9) about it. I feel safe in saying that
35 EA772LR : Really? Well I can only hope those on here who claim to be Liberal can back up why they claim to be. I believe I could sit across a table with you an
36 Yellowstone : Ah, but you're forgetting what happened in between FDR's announcement of the court-packing plan and the plan's defeat in the Senate--the court moved
37 FlyDeltaJets87 : Bush did indeed inherit a recession that started in 2000. From what I remember, his early tax-cuts were starting to turn things around when Sept. 11t
38 Cws818 : In London for the Afghanistan conference. What has she done to you, pray tell? One would think that you could at least be somewhat pleased about not
39 MoltenRock : It's remarkable how short people's memories are. Every modern day President has had them, and are nothing more really than advisors regardless of wha
40 San747 : Well for me (and hopefully others), I realize that there's only so much I can do. And I also realize that the other side has validity (which I wish s
41 EA772LR : I completely agree San747. I don't think many people would admit what you posted either.
42 MoltenRock : You'll probably like this Op/Ed by Thomas Friedman:
43 Post contains links DXing : Dum dummmmmm...we whoaaa.... Whatever happened to the Presidents Council on Physical Fitness? Don't know about that. Maybe from a grammatical sense b
44 Yellowstone : Typo on my part - I meant to type "near depression." Sorry about that!
45 San747 : Upon reading the entire column, yes, I do like it a lot. There is very little consensus by politicians, talking heads, and regular people over the bi
46 MoltenRock : The only thing the American people understand and like is a showy display of power from a leader that gets things done, and crams what he/she wants d
47 San747 : True. And it's very disheartening to me. Obama is stuck between a rock and a hard place. He's been trying to transcend that kind of pettiness and neg
48 EA772LR : I respectfully disagree. He's been one of the most divisive presidents we've ever had. He's broken all promises on transparency, on earmarks, his bac
49 Post contains links Seb146 : It is just strange to me that when Obama speaks, the right starts shouting about "He's reading off the tele-prompter! He can not think for himself!"
50 MoltenRock : LMAO! Riiiight. I predicted the wingnuts would be saying this within weeks of his inauguration. I was wrong, it was 2 days after his election and 2 m
51 Luckyone : It was pretty much split, I'm well aware of that. Scan my post, and since you're capable of reading I'm sure you can see that I didn't point fingers
52 San747 : I didn't say he was successful at transcending partisanship. I don't know if he is any more divisive than other presidents, because in this political
53 MoltenRock : The only way he can gain goodwill is to make sure he does what he promised his base, his supporters, and his individual donors he would do. He has ru
54 DfwRevolution : The Good: It's over The Bad: - Spent 11 months on healthcare, not economic recovery - Lost ground in the WOT - Critical of one of the best Supreme Cou
55 Baroque : I suppose you will demonstrate this to be true, because we would not want to be lead to believe that it could be you that is doing that. If you canno
56 Post contains links MoltenRock : LOL! I'm sure you were just as upset when Carter, Reagan, Bush, and a number of previous Presidents all openly "attacked" (aka... was critical of) th
57 Baroque : I know it is not entirely on topic, but since teleprompters have been raised as an issue in this thread can someone explain to me how they worked in t
58 Seb146 : Since you, too, are capable of reading, go back to my post #10 and see that I am responding to someone who decided to blame Obama and the Dems for th
59 Alberchico : We're all dying to know how this ruling can possibly be good for democracy ......
60 EA772LR : You're kidding right? How bout the lies of his 'new era of transparency'...CSPAN anyone? How bout his claim that he cut taxes this past year for 95%
61 Post contains images Baroque : Not kidding at all. You stated he lies ALL the time. Ergo, everything he says in not correct. I would have thought that was palpably untrue, but you
62 DXing : Wrong. After the 2008 elections the democratic party could claim 59 seats outright and the unqualified support of at least one independent, Sen. Sand
63 Mudboy : Fighting terrorism is like being a goalkeeper. You can make a hundred brilliant saves but the only shot that people remember is the one that gets pas
64 Cws818 : Wrong. After the 2008 election, and before the party switch of Sen. Specter, the Democrats held 57 seats. Adding Sen. Sanders (I-VT) results in 58 se
65 Baroque : By Jees, Obama is nowhere in the lying stakes. Lot of it around it seems.
66 Mrocktor : The president telling the Supreme Court they are wrong about a constitutional matter, in public, as if it were fact and not his opinion, and then call
67 EA772LR : Absolutely He's a King in his own small mind. The fact that you understood me to be absolutely literal when I said that Obama lies all the time is ra
68 DXing : I don't know where you are getting your figures from but the count of straight up democrats immediately after the 2008 elections were completed was 5
69 PHLBOS : Including Obama, 43. Grover Cleveland served 2 separate (non-consecutive) terms as the 22nd (1885-1889) and 24th (1893-1897) President.
70 MoltenRock : And Joe Liberman is officially and (I) Independent and an insane old bat that can't be counted on to give his party an up or down vote by allowing cl
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