FSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 13 Reply 5, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1068 times:
Well stated Cba. Unfortunately that this isn't so obvious to people. The Israelis are using the holocaust as an excuse to impose a holocaust of the Palestinians. Apartheid, Holocaust, whatever you want to call it, it's all the same. Oh well........
This thread isn't going to last too long for sure however.
FSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 13 Reply 7, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1058 times:
Oh yeah, before all of you flame me (before this thread gets deleted again, i didnt even know it was deleted before), just remember I am entitled to my opinion. Alpha 1, a verbal attack from you is inevitable, so I'll just tune that out.
-A very tired FSP (Anyone taking the SAT's or SAT II's this Saturday?)
FSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 13 Reply 10, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1041 times:
Alpha 1, apologies for my post, I didn't mean to attack you first! I just expected an attack from you. anyways, define Israeli-hater? If your implying anti-semetism, then I can't comment for Cba, but I don't think anyone here is an Israeli-hater. The correct term should be: Anti-Occupationist
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1032 times:
I am not an "Israel hater". I am simply condeming their actions toward Palestine! They are terribly wrong, using F16s and Apaches to attack civillians!
And what of these innocent "civilians" attacking the Jewish people with these suicide bombings, cba? What about those? Without those, you have nothing to condemn Israel with do you? Why don't you damn up and down those murderers who started this nonsense back in March? What about the Palestinian actions? Condemn them for once? Or does that blow the image you're trying to pull up here?
FSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 13 Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1027 times:
Alpha, no one here supports the suicide bombers, and neither does BA. I for one condemn killings of any children. But in the same respect, before you ask BA to question his opinions, take the time to ask yourself if you ever condemn isreal for their brutal acts of terrorism (and don't deny them)
Twaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1024 times:
They are terribly wrong, using F16s and Apaches to attack civillians!
Would you have preffered Israel flattened Jenin into a parking lot like the Syrians did?
This post upsets me a lot, simply because it stems from lack of knowledge and thats what causes racism.
The Israelis took tremendous precautions in Jenin to avoid civilian deaths, moving slowly and precisely with ground troops to achieve their stated aim of destroying a terrorist infrastructure in a United Nations administered camp. The Israelis could simply have flattened with their air force. Fighter jets were never used against Jenin. Israel could simply have flattened it with their artillery. Artillery was never used against Jenin.
I will not vote for deletion becuase I don't believe in censure, but this thread is putrid.
Cba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4530 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1022 times:
I do condemn the suicide bombers. However, Palestine is clearly an underdog. They use suicide bombers because that is all they have! Israel is coming at them with brand new tanks and helicopters, while Palestine has nothing!
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1007 times:
80 billion of our tax dollars as a matter of fact.
Jesus H. Christ, you certianly know how to inflate numbers for the dramatic, don't you. Try $3 billion a year.
And guess where the Palestinians are getting the funding for the suicide bombings? Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq. You know, all those wonderful, peace-loving Arab nations who have tried, as we all know, for 50 years to make peace with Israel, right?
And why in the hell is this thread still here, for God's sake. This is shameful.
BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11150 posts, RR: 60 Reply 22, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1001 times:
And what of these innocent "civilians" attacking the Jewish people with these suicide bombings, cba?
One question for you. You know how New York City has areas (such as Harlem) with poverty and misery. What else do those areas have? High-crime rate. The high-crime rate is as a result from the poverty and the misery of the people.
Similar situation in Israel. Now I hate killing of any kind from any side. Like I said in several of my posts, I want to live in a world full of peace where there is no need for a weapon, tanks, missles, bombs, or any of man's creations that kill and destroy.
The Palestinians are miserable. They've been miserable for the past 60 years living under occupation and oppression.
The Israeli's have not offered a deal to the Palestinians that is NEAR fair enough. Think of America before 1776. The colonists were trying to free themselves from British control. We fought a war to have that.
Palestinians are fighting a war by unfortunately targetting civilians (which is bad). They are angry, so they let out all there anger at once by strapping a bomb to themselves and blowing themselves up infront of civilians.
However do not say that the Israeli's are the only victims. Each day the Palestinians suffer MUCH worse pain and violence than the Israeli's do every day. Not only that, but Israel uses F-16s, and Apache helicopters against civilian targets. They force people out of there homes, and buldoze them down.
Have you seen what's happened to Jenin? It's been basically destroyed. There are very few buildings standing like they were before the Israeli attack.
Have you ever seen Palestinians destroy an entire city? I don't think so.
My post is not justifying violent actions from the Palestinian side. My post is showing you that the Palestinians suffer 10 times more than the Israeli civilian's do each day.
So don't tell me "And what of these innocent "civilians" attacking the Jewish people with these suicide bombings". You're making it sound as if the Israeli's are the only victims and the Palestinian's aren't suffering a bit.
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran