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US Imprisonment Rate 9x (!) Higher Than Germany  
User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10766 posts, RR: 9
Posted (4 years 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 3651 times:

Please dont read this as Anti-Americanism. I´m not anti-US, I just read a shocking number in a trustworthy and neutral source that I think must be shared.

751 out of 10.000 US citizens are in prison, a figure 9 (!!!) times higher than Germany (82). Almost unbelievable.

According to the reputable "Süddeutsche Zeitung", one of Germany´s leading newspapers, actually no country in the world has imprisoned so many of its citizens (in percentage that is).
This figure shows up in an article about a man who was freed 6 weeks ago after 35 years in prison - proven innocent. The long time didnt break him fortunately. The court didnt apologize to him, the boy who´s wrong accusation brought him to prison did. At least he´ll be getting 50.000 $ for every year he suffered, 1,75 million all in all - his luck is that he´s from Florida.

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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 3646 times:

15% of the inmates incarcerated in the State prisons of California are illegal entrants from Mexico, if we emptied the prison systems of the inmates here illegally we would reduce the prison population dramatically.


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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8969 posts, RR: 39
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 3623 times:

And growing. .

http://www.drugsense.org/wodclock.htm

(scroll down)

edit: note this is only slightly more than one month into the year

[Edited 2010-02-03 13:10:42]


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26626 posts, RR: 75
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 3613 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
15% of the inmates incarcerated in the State prisons of California are illegal entrants from Mexico, if we emptied the prison systems of the inmates here illegally we would reduce the prison population dramatically.

California almost certainly has a greater proportion of undocumented inmates than most other states.

You really want to know how to reduce the prison population? Legalize marijuana.



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3110 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 3596 times:

The US had the most people in prison anywhere in the world. More than China, India, or Russia.

The war on drugs is a big part of this. There are mandatory minimum sentences for many drug-related offenses, giving judges no latitude in sentencing. Some have a misguided notion that this will reduce crime, but in reality I think it makes things worse. There's also three-strikes laws where you get put away for life if you commit three felonies. Puts more people in prison, and additionally, has been shown to increase violence. Under these strict, no flexibility, sentencing laws, there's no additional penalty to say, killing someone in prison or having a shootout with police. Irrational laws like this increase violence.

I think a lot of it has to do with the way of thinking in the US: "if we don't like it, we'll make it illegal and lock people up". As an American living in Holland, I see a big contrast, where Holland typically lets things go if it doesn't hurt anyone. How much money do Americans waste by prosecuting drug laws and jailing offenders? What about other relatively harmless vices such as prostitution?

What will it take to change things? Good question. I think reform of drug laws is a huge and necessary step. I also think that mandatory minimums and three-strikes laws tend to increase violence, and that judges should again have flexibility in sentencing depending on the circumstances. I do worry that as the rift between rich and poor continues to widen, we'll see further increases in crime, so I think you have to look at the social factors influencing crime as well. Finally, I think it's time to do away with private prisons. I don't think it's right to have private companies making money from locking others up. This provides powerful corporate interest in stricter laws that put people in prison.

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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3549 times:



Quoting NA (Thread starter):
US Imprisonment Rate 9x (!) Higher Than Germany  

What's your point? We have a much larger population than you.



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User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3379 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3534 times:



Quoting Flanker (Reply 6):
And then again the US has quite a bit more people as well.



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 7):
What's your point? We have a much larger population than you.

He means per 10.000 citizens. He clearly said so in the original post.



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User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3534 times:

I think part of the reason is that sentences tend to be much longer than in Europe. Take murder for example, in most of Europe, one can be out of prison in 20 years. In most of the US, that's 25 years to life imprisonment (or death). I'd rather have longer prison sentences and have more perps locked up than the opposite.

[Edited 2010-02-03 13:34:06]


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User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3532 times:



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 4):
The war on drugs is a big part of this.

The United States imprisons people for the dumbest things, such as smoking weed. It's so pathetically stupid that I can't even comprehend it. We spend billions to fight the war on drugs, and spend billions more to imprison the so called "criminals" that we catch.

The prison system in the U.S. is nothing more than a business. The more prisons we build, the more construction companies get work, the more fabric companies can make prison jumpsuits, the more correctional officers get hired etc. The more people we put in prison for petty crimes, they go back because they learn more ways to be a criminal in prison rather than how to be rehabilitated. And correctional officers pretend that they care, and they don't. We just recycle the same guys back into the system, and numerous companies make money off it at taxpayers' expense.

I once heard from a friend that the department of corrections was counting the amount of children that are in elementary school now, so that they can figure out how many prisons they will need to build in the future  no , it makes no sense.



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3110 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3521 times:



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 7):

What's your point? We have a much larger population than you.

I guess the point is that you don't understand what fractions or percentages are...


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3517 times:



Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 10):
He means per 10.000 citizens. He clearly said so in the original post.

Thanks for telling me what I already knew. I mean what is the point of this whole thread? So we have more people in prison. So what. At least in this country (for the most part) if you commit a crime, and you're caught you're put in prison where you belong.



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User currently offlineA346Dude From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1289 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3492 times:



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 14):
Thanks for telling me what I already knew. I mean what is the point of this whole thread? So we have more people in prison. So what. At least in this country (for the most part) if you commit a crime, and you're caught you're put in prison where you belong.

 banghead 

Not just more people in prison. Nine times more people in prison, per capita. And you're willing to just shrug that off?



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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7792 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3483 times:



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 14):
Thanks for telling me what I already knew. I mean what is the point of this whole thread? So we have more people in prison. So what. At least in this country (for the most part) if you commit a crime, and you're caught you're put in prison where you belong.

Because it is under the false guise of being hard on crime that makes politicians look good. Policies like three strikes have frankly been disastrous as more and more of the population is incarcerated. We are literally wasting billions upon billions of dollars warehousing people. People that could have been otherwise productive members of society. Go look at what your state spends on corrections. Then look at what they spend on primary and secondary education, higher education, transportation, health care, etc..... If those dollars could be used elsewhere imagine what could be possible.

This doesn't mean I believe that people who commit crimes should not face consequences for what they do. But you have to look at what we do and do not criminalize in this country and what penalties are attached. Further we need to understand what impact mandatory minimum sentences and repeat offender laws have.



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3110 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3478 times:



Quoting A346Dude (Reply 15):
Not just more people in prison. Nine times more people in prison, per capita. And you're willing to just shrug that off?

This is how Bill O'Reilly does math also ... at first come up with some excuse like, "oh, it's a much bigger country". Then, when that doesn't work, the second step is to say that "well, they do statistics differently there"...

Just keep that head in the sand ...


User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3085 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3470 times:

Perhaps if we had a more secure border and actually enforced immigation laws already in place, this number would go down.


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User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3085 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3464 times:



Quoting DesertJets (Reply 16):
People that could have been otherwise productive members of society.

I'm sorry, but once you have commited three felonies, you have proven to society that you are NOT capable of being productive. Three strikes, while expensive, makes sense.



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3110 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3460 times:



Quoting JetsGo (Reply 18):
Perhaps if we had a more secure border and actually enforced immigation laws already in place, this number would go down.

Right, blame it all on others. No point in looking at the underlying societal issues. Ignore the difference between rich and poor, which is usually a big indicator of crime (look at crime stats for Brazil and South Africa if you don't believe me). Ignore the impact of mandatory minimum sentencing. Ignore the many things that are illegal in the US that are legal in other countries. Ignore America's culture of glorifying violence.

It's really just the illegal immigrants! Man, if we could get rid of them, just think ... no crime, government not bankrupt; just a paradise of rainbows and unicorns!  


User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3085 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3454 times:



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 20):
Right, blame it all on others.

Did I say it would be fixed? NO! I simply said the numbers would go DOWN. Reading comprehension fail.

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 20):
illegal immigrants!

Illegal aliens.



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User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1987 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3447 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
You really want to know how to reduce the prison population? Legalize marijuana.

No kidding. Most drug offenses should carry much lighter sentences. Marijuana shouldn't even be illegal. Minimum sentences for this sort of thing are ludicrous.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 7):
What's your point? We have a much larger population than you.

Uh. Other people commented and then you kept going. Sigh. Just... Oh well.


User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3438 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
15% of the inmates incarcerated in the State prisons of California are illegal entrants from Mexico, if we emptied the prison systems of the inmates here illegally we would reduce the prison population dramatically.

So we'd drop from 9 times the incarceration rate of Germany (which I'm guessing is a representative Western democracy) to... 7.7 times the incarceration rate of Germany. Not a dramatic drop...



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User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3431 times:



Quoting JetsGo (Reply 19):
I'm sorry, but once you have commited three felonies, you have proven to society that you are NOT capable of being productive. Three strikes, while expensive, makes sense.

If that third felony is for something like, say, shoplifting, then I'd bet the cost to society of imprisoning that felon for 25 to life is quite a bit higher than the cost to society of their crime habit.



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User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 967 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3441 times:



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 23):
So we'd drop from 9 times the incarceration rate of Germany (which I'm guessing is a representative Western democracy) to... 7.7 times the incarceration rate of Germany. Not a dramatic drop..

I disagree - a very dramatic drop, by anyone's standards.

But that doesn't change the fact that even the 7.7 times is still ridiculously high.....

Kent


User currently offlineRabenschlag From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 1017 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 18 hours ago) and read 3431 times:



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 24):
If that third felony is for something like, say, shoplifting, then I'd bet the cost to society of imprisoning that felon for 25 to life is quite a bit higher than the cost to society of their crime habit.

What? The three strikes may include shoplifting? Wow!

So if I steal three snickers bars and get cought three times, I may end up in jail for the rest of my life?

If so, this is really out of proportion. And not wise for society.

Jesus tought us to be forgiving.


User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 18 hours ago) and read 3424 times:

What is the outrage for that it is 9x higher than in Germany? There are different laws in place and different kind of sentences. If you cant follow laws and then face their consequences then get out.

People sit in jail here for murders, rapes etc. that they did 30-40 even 60 years ago. Half these people probably would have already let out in Europe.

Heres a great idea, maybe we can just do what Singapore or China does since their prison population is so little so you guys stop bitching. We can execute people for even small amounts of drugs within months of them being caught. Hell, we would probably go 9x less than Germany if we just did that.

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 4):

I think a lot of it has to do with the way of thinking in the US: "if we don't like it, we'll make it illegal and lock people up". As an American living in Holland, I see a big contrast, where Holland typically lets things go if it doesn't hurt anyone. How much money do Americans waste by prosecuting drug laws and jailing offenders? What about other relatively harmless vices such as prostitution?

Im in the USA from a European country too. Half the population of Poland should be sitting in jail for half the things they do on an everyday basis. In the USA they would have already been caught and put in the slammer. Id rather have a high prison population than these idiots be out on the streets.

You dont just get put in prison for a month with a gram of marijuana people, you just get a ticket. If you got a whole lot of it youre probably selling it and thats when you go to jail. Sure I agree it should be legalized at such small amounts but this is some overly stated BS that we have people in US jails sitting there for months at a time because they had a bud on them.

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 20):
Ignore the impact of mandatory minimum sentencing. Ignore the many things that are illegal in the US that are legal in other countries

Id like to hear what exactly those things are that are illegal in the USA that are legal in other countries that you go to prison for. Dont give me that crap that Amsterdam is "other countries" and even for underage drinking you dont go to jail for you just get cited.

Quoting Rabenschlag (Reply 26):
What? The three strikes may include shoplifting? Wow!

So if I steal three snickers bars and get cought three times, I may end up in jail for the rest of my life?

If so, this is really out of proportion. And not wise for society.

Jesus tought us to be forgiving.

Do you know what the difference between petty theft/misdemeanor and a felony is?

Stealing a snickers bar isnt a felony. Educate yourself. Stealing a car from a dealer lot isnt the same as stealing Tic-Tacs.  faint 

[Edited 2010-02-03 14:34:33]

User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 18 hours ago) and read 3396 times:



Quoting Rabenschlag (Reply 26):
What? The three strikes may include shoplifting? Wow!

So if I steal three snickers bars and get cought three times, I may end up in jail for the rest of my life?



Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 27):
Do you know what the difference between petty theft/misdemeanor and a felony is?

Stealing a snickers bar isnt a felony.

I should probably clarify. California law states that if the defendant has previously served time for theft or related crimes, the prosecutor may request that a petty theft charge (normally a misdemeanor) be upgraded to a felony. There is at least one case of a repeat offender being sentenced to 50 years to life for stealing $150 worth of videos from a rental store.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockyer_v._Andrade



Hydrogen is an odorless, colorless gas which, given enough time, turns into people.
25 LOT767-300ER : Actually I was just replying to the German who apparently had the notion that stealing a $1.50 candy bar will land you in jail. BTW, why shouldnt he
26 Post contains links RwSEA : Not if there's zero discretion for the judge. I think there are circumstances where a life sentence is not warranted. The war on drugs is a big part
27 Post contains images JetsGo : Ignorance is bliss. and One case. Most of those locked up for three strikes do not fall under this category. Therefore fix this loophole, but do not
28 JetsGo : And that is what YOU think. Thankfully a majority of Californians do not think that way. Plain and simple, if you are dumb enough to commit not one,
29 LOT767-300ER : The hell you talking about that its "effectively legal." No, its not legal except for 1 or 2 countries. Just because a country decriminalized marijua
30 MaverickM11 : Tough on crime seems to always win over smart on crime, although in the most recent mayoral election here in Houston, it seemed like smart on crime w
31 Yellowstone : Of course he should go to jail, just not for 50 to life.
32 LOT767-300ER : IMO if he was stupid enough to escape from jail, transport marijuana (which means a crapload of it) and burglarize I dont care if he sits there for 1
33 Post contains links FlyPNS1 : I'm sorry, but these numbers can't possibly be right. Otherwise, it means that 7.5% of the U.S. population is currently in jail. Since the U.S. has a
34 RussianJet : Oh dear. I suppose you don't actually understand the word 'rate'.
35 Post contains links A346Dude : Looks like he did miss a zero, but the 751 to 82 ratio (9x rate) appears to be accurate. Edit: A quick look at the data in http://www.kcl.ac.uk/depst
36 Connies4ever : I'm not sure you understand the point of the OP: why is it that an advanced society like the USA send 9 times as many people to jail per capita as ma
37 Post contains images Superfly : Very sad and disgusting. A vast majority of prisoners aren't even violent. Prison should be for the murderers, assault & rapist. Very well said! Many
38 JBirdAV8r : I understand that you are just pointing out one example of a "feel-good law," but this is one I happen to like. I know a guy that hasn't paid a lick
39 Superfly : ...and I am sure many would agree with you.
40 LTBEWR : I think one of the main reasons for a much higher incarcaration rate in the USA vs. much of the developed world, is economics. Generally in Europe the
41 Post contains links and images CGKings317 : It is absolutely stunning about the numbers of people that the United States locks up both on a federal level and at the state and local levels, which
42 Post contains links JetsGo : Not that this is 100% on topic since most are discussing drug charges, but here's what can happen when you release prisoners early. Originally arreste
43 Superfly : Actually that is very much on topic. Sounds like this man learned to be more violent in prison. Had he not gone in the first place, he probably would
44 Flighty : Building jails is just a very expensive way to handle crime, after you have already failed to prevent it. Why does this happen? Other countries are mo
45 JetsGo : I doubt it. From the article... Peterson has a criminal history including a 2008 conviction for assault with a deadly weapon. He pled guilty to a mis
46 Superfly : Sorry I missed that part of the article. I agree, he was a pos. What bothers me about these early release is that it they aren't taking in to conside
47 LOT767-300ER : Multiple DUI, Burglary, Assault, Mega Corruption, Methamphetamine production, Cocaine trafficking, Prostitution/Human trafficking from the Balkans, G
48 Post contains images Superfly : Sounds like here in the US. Would you say Poland is any safer or more violent than the US? I doubt Poland is going bankrupt to house these losers in
49 Post contains links LOT767-300ER : Take a look at which states for the most part run a budget surplus vs. which ones run deficits. California and Illinois along with Chicago and Detroi
50 Post contains images Superfly : What state is swimming in a surplus? Sounds like Poland is doing something right and maybe we can learn from them. Perhaps we should scrap some of ou
51 ThegreatRDU : One of the problems is we spend to much on them....now this couldn't be possible in SoCal but look at some prisons in the deep south..they grow their
52 IliriBDL : Amazing, the biggest democracy in the world with the biggest prisons. (go figure lol)
53 STT757 : I've thought about that but legalizing Marijuana will not have any affect, the people who grow / sell/ deal pot are in it for the money. If Marajuana
54 FlyPNS1 : Maybe, but the population willing to use these drugs is far smaller, so there simply won't be enough room for all the dealers. I know lots of kids in
55 Kappel : Correct. Crime rate also seems to be high in the US. For example the homicide rate in the US in 2007 was 5.5 per 100,000. In Germany in the same year
56 Baroque : Quite the contrary because as these guys have already worked out, incarceration is doin' fine: All the growth indices for the State of Penitentiary (
57 FRAspotter : There is a big difference between being sentenced to 50 to life and actually doing 50 to life. Most likely he'll be out on parole within a much short
58 Aesma : I agree that drug laws in the US seems ridiculous, and their enforcement even more. Here it is also illegal to smoke pot, but in practice officers who
59 Jush : Wow that clearly tells us alot. Not about the topic or the study but alot about you. Topic: The strange thing is I'm not suprised about the high impr
60 N1120A : CA law creates an expungable misdemeanor offense for this type of "crime" with no sex offender registration.
61 Flanker : The worst is when they serve a shitty sentence and are let out to do exactly the same. In BG they implemented a new law where you dont get points on
62 N1120A : Not sure where BG is, but you know WHY they did that right? So people would be less likely to fight tickets. If you just have to pay the fine and don
63 Flanker : "Bulgaria". Nobody fights tickets. Before, You could just give some money to the cop and be on your way. If anything its a way to stop that. But i se
64 N1120A : Ah. Now that you clarify that it is Bulgaria, it changes things.
65 flanker : Same back-door people that own dealers that sell you cars control insurance as well. If you don't buy it your car will be gone tomorrow. I was there
66 Post contains images Cadet57 : Why? Because I don't enjoy being talked down to by complete strangers? Because people seem to know so much about me because I have a dissenting opini
67 thegreatRDU : I want to reiterate that this a great country.. Kappel....guns are everywhere here
68 Post contains images FLY2HMO : Only in Uhmericuh!   
69 LOT767-300ER : North Dakota, Montana, Texas, Indiana etc...Rep. controlled states. Actually its hard for Western Europeans or Americans to know just how bad the cri
70 Superfly : Montana has a Democratic governor and two Democratic US Senators. Indiana is about to lose it's surplus.
71 LOT767-300ER : Werent the 3 or so Gov. just before this one Rep when they were running a surplus that led to this, and isnt the Montana Upper Legislature controlled
72 cws818 : You would complain even less if your driving maneuvers did not trigger the traffic cameras that you obviously know are there.
73 Baroque : What, you mean that folk murdered in the USA are not really dead? Otherwise you have a problem with the stats and that argument.
74 Kappel : Yes it does. That is the number of carjackings, not the number solved. No, that's a different statistic, the crime solving rate. I have no idea what
75 Superfly : Many states were running surpluses back then. This global recession has hurt many states. I totally agree with you there. However if I someone was ca
76 Post contains links LOT767-300ER : Actually no, they have taken down cameras because people kept getting pissed off for idiotic tickets that no cop would ever write. Read here: http://
77 Baroque : That is because (WADR) you are looking in the wrong place. You need to look under "the proportion of undetected crime". And good luck there too. Star
78 LOT767-300ER : Exactly. Just because a crime goes unreported does not mean it does not occur. Back to my example and carjackings, I know for a fact that alot of peo
79 thegreatRDU : Good...that's comforting to know....
80 Baroque : And the title of the thread is USA stats vs Russia - NO, Colombia another bad guess - Germany it is. GERMANY. Care to tell us how slack the Polizei a
81 thegreatRDU : We also do to much dumb stuff here when it comes to law enforcement...to catch a predator, bait car, etc. That's really entrapment...I mean honestly t
82 474218 : I quess the statistics show that there is a larger percentage of criminals walking around free in Germany than there is in the US. Shocking!
83 Superfly : (checkmark} That is another problem too. What is with these TV shows that sensationalizes this? It's as if it's entertainment to some people. I think
84 prebennorholm : Since there are 300 million people in the US, then it means that 22,530,000 are in US jails right now. Twentytwo and a half million people. That's th
85 thegreatRDU : Oh yeah....no kidding... That seems too high but I could be wrong....
86 474218 : Its 751 out of 100,000 or 2,250,000.
87 Post contains links and images NA : I am so afraid of all these free running criminals here I have a pumpgun under my bed   Actually I m living in Germany´s longtime "crime capi
88 Baroque : Bingo, and you win a coconut. There are other factors too, but work on from there.
89 Superfly : Thanks but what is the answer to may question?
90 Baroque : Not in the UK or Aus. Here is a partial explanation of what Germany does with judges In the Bundesländer of Bavaria, Mecklenburg-West Pomeran
91 Post contains links LOT767-300ER : http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...rcap-crime-total-crimes-per-capita I dont think that that is that much higher. Considering that you have countr
92 Post contains images Par13del : Where in the world does the government run an effective and efficient prison system for less than a private entity? Take an example of national healt
93 Superfly : That's not what I was referring too. Besides, you don't go to the penitentiary for public intoxication.
94 LOT767-300ER : Thats the whole point. These guys sitting in US jails arent there because they stole a Snickers bar or pissed in public. Therefore all this crying th
95 Superfly : They may not go to prison but they are often held in custody and in jail over night. That would be India and they aren't bankrupting their country to
96 LOT767-300ER : Well yea, but that figure doesnt take people in the drunk tank into account. People dont even go to jail for petty theft or half the time even public
97 prebennorholm : This is the best example of - Lies - Damn lies - Statistics I have seen for a long time. In Azerbaijan (#58) they probably count all murderers, excep
98 Superfly : Grand theft?
99 LOT767-300ER : Here in America if you dont shovel your footpath then one cant sue. But if you shovel it and dont do a good job and someone slips then you sue. Haha.
100 Kappel : True. My point is that IMHO you used the statistic you used in your example wrong. From personal experience, I have witnessed one carjacking in the U
101 thegreatRDU : From what I heard South Africa has some big time problems....it's not a question of if world cup spectators will be mugged attacked etc.....but how m
102 Baroque : What does not help is that effectively all of your links are to: Which has a header you forgot to mention: [/]FACTOID # 13: The United States puts 0.
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