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Obama's Aunt Fights Deportation?  
User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2874 posts, RR: 8
Posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2413 times:

http://www.smh.com.au/world/obamas-a...hts-deportation-20100205-nhjo.html

I've haven't heard anything about this until now.

News takes awhile to reach us here Down Under !!

Should she be allowed to stay or must she go ??


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User currently offlineGatorFan From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 331 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2403 times:

This is a difficult situation. She shouldn't be rewarded for doing something illegal but her argument is strongest now that her nephew is POTUS. I'd deport her but try to find a friendly country to give her asylum.

User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8842 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
Should she be allowed to stay or must she go ??

She entered illegally and flouted the law for years. Put her on the first plane to Kenya.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21642 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2379 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
Should she be allowed to stay or must she go ??

That's for the court to decide. Whatever the court rules, it should be respected.

Quoting GatorFan (Reply 1):
I'd deport her but try to find a friendly country to give her asylum.

I wouldn't. Either her case for asylum is strong and she stays, or it isn't and she has to go. We shouldn't give her any extra aid just because she's got a famous relative.

-Mir



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):

I wouldn't. Either her case for asylum is strong and she stays, or it isn't and she has to go. We shouldn't give her any extra aid just because she's got a famous relative.

The US grants asylum to many people even ones who may have entered the country illegally. So I agree with you, if she has a strong enough case, then she will get it, if not well no. I think it can be seen that the President isn't asking for any favours.



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User currently offlineflanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1638 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
She entered illegally and flouted the law for years. Put her on the first plane to Kenya.

                 



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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
She entered illegally and flouted the law for years. Put her on the first plane to Kenya.

  

Make her feel like a federal criminal that she is. No one gets my respect for entering the US illegally, unless their life is in immediate danger but thats a totally different ball game.


User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4022 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2316 times:

I think the most interesting thing about this is that she has been living in public housing in Boston for the past years even though she was in the country illegally. Makes you wonder what the criteria are to have Mayor Menino give you free room and board.


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21642 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2290 times:

Quoting Captaink (Reply 4):
The US grants asylum to many people even ones who may have entered the country illegally.

Which I don't mind, since if you're going to be given asylum, the conditions in your home country are generally sufficiently bad that it would be a reasonable course of action to do anything possible to get out.

-Mir



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8842 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2273 times:

Quoting Captaink (Reply 4):

The US grants asylum to many people even ones who may have entered the country illegally.

She is claiming political asylum, which is another abuse. You are supposed to ask for political asylum if you fear persecution or arrest if you return home because of your political opinions. She's simply basing her request on the fact that Kenya has a lot of tribal violence. She does not face any difficulties with the authorities there. You can't ask for political asylum because your home country sucks in whatever way. If you want to immigrate because of that, you are supposed to stand in line with everyone else.



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User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2809 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):
She does not face any difficulties with the authorities there.

I'm sure that she'll be treated very, very well, if she returns to Kenya. If she is granted political asylum that will be a disrespect to those who really do suffer from fear of persecution if they return to their native country.


User currently offlinecws818 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1176 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2233 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):
She is claiming political asylum, which is another abuse. You are supposed to ask for political asylum if you fear persecution or arrest if you return home because of your political opinions. She's simply basing her request on the fact that Kenya has a lot of tribal violence.

Are you actually claiming that in many countries politics are not determined, or even influenced, by tribal membership? If so, your assertion is either extremely ignorant or entirely influenced by your opinions on domestic American politics. In either scenario, you can do better.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8842 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2216 times:

Quoting cws818 (Reply 11):
Are you actually claiming that in many countries politics are not determined, or even influenced, by tribal membership?

I never said that and you know it. Are you implying that anyone from a country dominated by tribal politics should be eligible for political asylum? Political asylum is specific: If you go home you have a real expectation that you will be arrested or otherwise attacked. Just being from a primitive country is not enough.



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8551 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

Why must Kenya be deprived of their fine citizen? It seems totally unfair that Kenya not have possession of this wonderful woman.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):
You can't ask for political asylum because your home country sucks in whatever way.

Kenya doesn't suck. It is wonderful. Soon, they will be reunited with their wonderful citizen, as the law requires.  


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 7):
Makes you wonder what the criteria are to have Mayor Menino give you free room and board.

Democrat Mayor, in a heavy Democrat state and city, as well as a Democrat POTUS?

Quoting Flighty (Reply 13):
Why must Kenya be deprived of their fine citizen? It seems totally unfair that Kenya not have possession of this wonderful woman.

You hit the nail on the head, Flighty. Here is her picture..............

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg...sed_doors/srvc=home&position=5


User currently offlineflanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1638 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2141 times:

Wait, if she has been told to leave once and hasn't, why do they need another hearing? Why dont they pack her bags for her and ship her on her marry way? Political asylum from Kenya? Cmon..


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26501 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 2098 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
We shouldn't give her any extra aid just because she's got a famous relative.

We give extra aid (like making them citizens by Act of Congress) to athletes who we want to compete in the Olympics. I'm SURE those screaming for her deportation were fine with that little short-cut for Tanith Belbin.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7704 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2071 times:
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
She entered illegally and flouted the law for years. Put her on the first plane to Kenya.

   Absolutely right.

If her claim is denied, and barring truly exceptional circumstances any claim for asylum lodged two years after arriving in the country should be, then she should certainly be removed from the US.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2064 times:

Somebody tell me why she applied for political asylum? I tried to search for something, but all I find is just tribal issues, for which I can't find anything that would suggest her being persecuted because of the tribe she comes from. Anyway, if her request for political asylum was previously denied, then I'm sorry but she has to go.

If she was smart, then she should have contacted her nephew before moving to the US in 2000, so he could try to help her with a possible request for permanent residency in the US. Even if she's the Aunt of the President of the United States, she does NOT deserve preferential treatment.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26501 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2050 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 18):
Even if she's the Aunt of the President of the United States, she does NOT deserve preferential treatment.

The reality is that the President can pardon her of any and all crimes she may have committed and can certainly order the Department of State to issue her a visa if he wants.



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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2044 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
The reality is that the President can pardon her of any and all crimes she may have committed and can certainly order the Department of State to issue her a visa if he wants.

The reality of that is that would create manure of epic proportions.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2044 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
The reality is that the President can pardon her of any and all crimes she may have committed and can certainly order the Department of State to issue her a visa if he wants.

True, I'm aware of that. But nevertheless, he cannot, and must not give a relative preferential treatment. And yes, I also know about Presidents giving, or being suspected of giving relatives preferential treatment in certain things (e.g. the Roger Clinton case, where his brother Bill pardoned him just before leaving office in 2001).


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26501 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2041 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 21):
But nevertheless, he cannot, and must not give a relative preferential treatment.

He can.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 21):
And yes, I also know about Presidents giving, or being suspected of giving relatives preferential treatment in certain things (e.g. the Roger Clinton case, where his brother Bill pardoned him just before leaving office in 2001).

Not to mention political allies, like Gerald Ford with Richard Nixon.



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User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2038 times:

Wait..if she is related to Obama..then can't he sponsor her or something to become a resident of the US? Thats the way it works here..you should see the kind of people who become 'citizens' just because their aunt/uncle/cousin/some distant family member is here. Or..is the immigration system different in the US? I'm sure if she came here she would be granted asylum straight away.


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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
He can.

I didn't mean cannot in the sense that he can't do it because of the law. I mean cannot in the sense of doing the right thing and staying neutral in this matter.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
Not to mention political allies, like Gerald Ford with Richard Nixon.

Yes, I forgot about that example.


25 Maverick623 : She entered illegally and claimed asylum. I'd be ok with just that, but after being refused it, she just stayed. That, I have a problem with. If she
26 KC135TopBoom : She has already been denied once by the courts, and ignored that order. Also, the President has a half brother who still lives in Kenya, he is very p
27 RussianJet : On what do you base such an assertion?
28 LTU932 : That much I know, but the question is still why the hell she applied for political asylum in the first place? I do know that her application occured
29 cptkrell : Well, no decision in the case today via a Boston federal judge, and Zeituni Onyango will be allowed to stay in the US for another YEAR whilst we spend
30 Springbok747 : If she is going to be deported..then why not just deport her? Why prolong this case?
31 LTU932 : I guess it may have to do with all the bureaucracy involved with this case.
32 RussianJet : Probably because she can appeal.
33 KC135TopBoom : This would be a "no decision" order, it cannot be appealed until a decision, one way or the other, is made. All this does is kick the can down the ro
34 LOT767-300ER : AFL-CIO anyone?
35 Post contains images KC135TopBoom :   
36 ipodguy7 : Well, if we are deporting her, can we go ahead and get rid of the Kenyan-born president, Barrack Obama (or Barrack Osama), as well?
37 ATTart : What the, you are joking I hope?
38 2707200X : Get over it, you lost. This is the very bottom of the barrel in conservative stupidity in America
39 Post contains images Springbok747 :   Even though I am no fan of Obama, this statement is just ridiculous. He wasn't born in Kenya. He is not a muslim. What else..oh yeah, he has done
40 Post contains images KC135TopBoom :                Oh yeah, the other nations now see how wonderful we are since Obama was elected. They are so impressed they gave; The Olympi
41 MD11Engineer : Letting the aunt stay per presidential decree is impossible, it not just being nepotism and imoral, but it would be an albatross for him during the ne
42 Post contains links ATTart : Well, if you want to play this game ok..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjtfaLtLT7s
43 2707200X : Holding hands anyone... Bush, Nixon bows to Herohito (spelling)... Beauler.
44 Springbok747 : Like I said before.. Public diplomacy was misunderstood and doomed from the get-go - regardless of who was overseeing it - under the Bush administrat
45 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : Is that why she is your ex-wife?   
46 Post contains images MD11Engineer : One reason of many. Jan  
47 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : Well, at least you are being honest    Theres a Serbian guy I used to work with here 6 years and he went back to Serbia for the summer to marry thi
48 Post contains images L410Turbolet : Did she get a refund  
49 Post contains images MD11Engineer : For me the biggest reason was that she was lazy and a freeloader on the German social welfare system (and later on me, she had the opinion of herself
50 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : I dont know...My guess knowing him is probably that he didnt refund the money to her directly but probably bought her a new car or is paying for the
51 MD11Engineer : Obama needs to realise that due to his success and position he also became the quasi clan chief of a Kenyan family clan. In their eyes he has a respon
52 Slider : Amen. We're either a nation of laws or we're not. Send her packing. I personally would LOVE to see this happen. it would bury his presidency and brin
53 KC135TopBoom : The sooner, the better. She is living off the public dol, and has (apparently) not contributed anything. I wonder if she found a way to vote in the J
54 Slider : Gutless.... Insanity. The judge is a useful idiot who is saving his own skin by deferring. I'd love to see someone push this one.
55 YOWza : Given that this is an aviation website I feel compelled to tell you that there are no direct flights from the USA to Kenya. Are you suggesting she be
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