D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10554 posts, RR: 53 Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3707 times:
Dreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 7760 posts, RR: 22 Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3688 times:
I have it set to record later today, so I'll post my comments then. She made some interesting comments last night. I disagree with her that the Tea Party movement should be absorbed by the Republican Party, although it's obvious why she would say that. The Tea Party should be an organized block of independent voters which will lend its support to whichever party deserves that support based on adherence to their beliefs. Obviously they are philosophically closer to the Republicans, but the GOP must never be allowed to take their votes for granted - hence my call for them by continue to be independent.
Dreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 7760 posts, RR: 22 Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3677 times:
Quoting TransIsland (Reply 3): Shallow and without substance. And when she suggests that the tea baggers have simple, common-sense solutions, dishonest.
Back that up. Common sense solutions include things like, if you are out of money, stop spending. How is that dishonest?
TransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2031 posts, RR: 11 Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3668 times:
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4): Back that up. Common sense solutions include things like, if you are out of money, stop spending. How is that dishonest?
Because it does not solve the complex challenges faced today.
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Aaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7627 posts, RR: 28 Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3666 times:
A couple of standout weak points in the interview, though she's more articulate here than we've seen in the past.
Response to Wallace's questioning on abortion: very poor. She's again putting out there that the only correct decision is the one she made, when she has just criticized President Obama for the same type of self-assured arrogance. Note to Sarah: controlling a woman's personal decisions is not a value consistent with a conservative role for government.
Response to questions re resigning in Alaska and Wallace's analogy to Reagan's difficulties in California: pure BS. She wasn't going to take obstructionism and its effect on the people of Alaska?? Reagan had the National Guard on standby because every major university campus in the state was under siege with all manner of protests - not to mention one of the most prominent activist Democratic legislatures in state history. Still hasn't adequately explained vacating her seat and that will haunt her if she runs for anything again, particularly against other GOP luminaries.
Response to the question about her speaking fees: don't insult the intelligence of the audience when you've made yourself out to be a straight-talker. She claims the money isn't going to her because a check will be written...well whatever Sarah, why not just say "that's the sum I've heard and if its given to me it'll be directed toward my PAC". It shouldn't take a long explanation to say what amounts to "it's not going into my bank account". That's called talking like a politician.
Also found it curious that when talking about the 2012 election, she put her fingers up in quotation gesture when referring to Obama "serving" 4 years...
[Edited 2010-02-07 09:19:36]
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ATTart From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 638 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3632 times:
The Tea Party will lose the independents if they go too extreme. That is if they go too socially conservative, also making claims against Obama and comparisons that can't back up with proof. They will lose the independents so fast their heads will spin.
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10554 posts, RR: 53 Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3621 times:
Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 6): A couple of standout weak points in the interview, though she's more articulate here than we've seen in the past.
I agree with this assessment. However, her more articulate moments seemed canned. To be perfectly fair, that is the case with a great many politicians, from both sides of the aisle, and that irks me greatly. When these people are asked a tough question, they enter spin mode and pull a rote answer that diverts attention back to something they feel is one of their strong points.
Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 6): Response to Wallace's questioning on abortion: very poor.
Completely agree. Her answer was not a pro-life answer, it was most definitely a pro-choice answer where she chose to keep the baby. That was completely consistent with what pro-choice people believe. For her to say that because she chose life, everyone else should be forced to (while admitting that she had good reason to choose abortion) is rank hypocrisy.
mt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6352 posts, RR: 7 Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3602 times:
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2): The Tea Party should be an organized block of independent voters which will lend its support to whichever party deserves that support based on adherence to their beliefs.
Its interesting how this group never organized when the last President was running up the budget...
engineergreg From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 38 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3576 times:
Quoting mt99 (Reply 9): Its interesting how this group never organized when the last President was running up the budget...
Although Bush was no fiscal conservative by a long shot, just take a look at how much Obama is spending in comparison. It's staggering when you put it into perspective.
mt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6352 posts, RR: 7 Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3573 times:
Quoting engineergreg (Reply 10): Although Bush was no fiscal conservative by a long shot, just take a look at how much Obama is spending in comparison. It's staggering when you put it into perspective.
Fine, but why not then? Now they claim to be "independent" and all kinds of crap.. You just said that Bush was not a fiscal conservative.. but why not even a peep from them before?
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10554 posts, RR: 53 Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3565 times:
There's a point in the interview where she almost says "bullshit" but changes it mid-word to "bullstuff". What effect do you think that will have on her? What if she had actually said it?
TransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2031 posts, RR: 11 Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3541 times:
Quoting D L X (Reply 8): That's not necessary. Don't let that nasty phrase detract from your otherwise good points.
Nasty phrase? There are more dictionaries out there than the urban one.
Tea Bag:
Tea Baggers
Even so, if you think the coincidence of a second, urban, definition pokes fun at the tea party movement, then I put it to you that they deserve the ridicule for choosing such a poor analogy:
The American Revolution, amongst other issues, addressed the lack of representation that put in place a government that taxed the colonists regardless. (Though it can be argued that the taxation was actually reasonable; this point can also be made for today.) Today's tea baggers refuse to come to terms with the outcome of democratic elections (remember, November '08) that put in place a representative government that is now, well, what term should I use... governing.
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D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10554 posts, RR: 53 Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3495 times:
Quoting TransIsland (Reply 13): Nasty phrase? There are more dictionaries out there than the urban one.
I think it's pretty clear which one you meant considering your derogatory tone towards them.
But moving on, do you have any comments about her appearance on Fox News Sunday? (Not a Tea Party question.)
TransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2031 posts, RR: 11 Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3467 times:
Quoting D L X (Reply 14): I think it's pretty clear which one you meant considering your derogatory tone towards them.
You read too much into my use of the term. I simply find it flows easier in speech than "members of the tea party movement" or even "tea partiers."
Quoting D L X (Reply 14): But moving on, do you have any comments about her appearance on Fox News Sunday? (Not a Tea Party question.)
As I said before, shallow and without any substance. She keeps suggesting that the "tea partiers" (happy?) have simple common sense solutions, a phrase she's used ever since she became involved with them, but to date I have not heard a single example of one solution to one problem. That is because in a world as complex as this one, there are no simple solutions. I fear, however, that this is too complex for Mrs. Palin.
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D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10554 posts, RR: 53 Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3387 times:
Okay, my assessment is officially in. I maintain my stance from months ago. Take a look at this: at the Tea Party Speech, after railing on Obama as "some guy with his teleprompter," Palin gets caught with notes on her hand, like she's a 9th grader about to cheat on a math test.
Dreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 7760 posts, RR: 22 Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3369 times:
Quoting D L X (Reply 16): Okay, my assessment is officially in. I maintain my stance from months ago. Take a look at this: at the Tea Party Speech, after railing on Obama as "some guy with his teleprompter," Palin gets caught with notes on her hand, like she's a 9th grader about to cheat on a math test.
It could have been a phone number. Any evidence of what was written on her hand?
cws818 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1167 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3366 times:
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 17):
Quoting D L X (Reply 16):
Okay, my assessment is officially in. I maintain my stance from months ago. Take a look at this: at the Tea Party Speech, after railing on Obama as "some guy with his teleprompter," Palin gets caught with notes on her hand, like she's a 9th grader about to cheat on a math test.
It could have been a phone number. Any evidence of what was written on her hand?
Dreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 7760 posts, RR: 22 Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3361 times:
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10554 posts, RR: 53 Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3345 times:
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 19): Fine - has nobody here never used notes to ensure that certain points were made? What's the big deal?
1) She many times assailed President Obama for using a teleprompter, and 2) she used the cheat sheet on her hand to answer questions that she knew were coming. She doesn't know policy, she was reciting talking points.
JBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4459 posts, RR: 22 Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3342 times:
Quoting TransIsland (Reply 3): And when she suggests that the tea baggers
Pot. Kettle. Black.
Devolving the debate into petty name-calling cheapens the debate and shows a lack of maturity on your part.
Quoting TransIsland (Reply 13): Today's tea baggers refuse to come to terms with the outcome of democratic elections (remember, November '08) that put in place a representative government that is now, well, what term should I use... governing.
"Refuse to come to terms?" Since when has standing idly by and accepting the status quo been a part of American life?
So you think those who disagree with Obama's fiscal policy should just sit on their hands and accept it because he won the election? That's not how this country works, and it never has been.
MoltenRock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3342 times:
Good Christ!!!
This woman is flipping nuts! She's talking about going to war with Iran as a way a President can win reelection. The USA would be completely destroyed going to war in Iran, and this is the clueless wench wingnuts want? Additionally, she's also happy as a clam that Obama is carrying out a "secret" war in Pakistan.
The current Republican party and their view of America has become a joke, and a dangerous one at that for the vast unwashed masses that know more about their American Idol TV show contestants than they do about which person they vote for.
Paul Krugman is right in his article he recently wrote. America really does seem like Poland of 17th and 18th century today as it dissolved into nothing.
25 mirrodie: WElll...... While I wanted to let it go, it doesnt make a whole lot of sense in light of her teleprompter Obama attacks.
26 Dreadnought: There is a difference between a teleprompter and 4 words written on your hand. I've done it. Haven't you?
27 TheCommodore: Remind me NOT to switch the TV on Sunday morning ![Edited 2010-02-08 20:43:44]
28 Mir: If I'm going to use notes for something, they're going to be a bit more detailed than three talking points. If I can't remember three talking points,
29 MoltenRock: Yes there is a difference. It's pathetic a public speaker writes on her hand like some 12 year old school girl when she can't remember 6 words, and e
30 D L X: I'm not sure what is worse, that Palin used hand notes to outline the most basic of things that she should commit to memory, or that Fox News refuses
31 seb146: But, there were pleny of "peeps" out of them before. That whole chorus standing out saying "Support the president! Support the troops! We want to be
32 11Bravo: How anyone can take this woman seriously is beyond me; I just don't get it. She is ambitious and attractive, but that seems to be just about all she h
33 Dreadnought: Don't complain too much. She's a moderate. If I were to become president, my platform would mainly consist of dismantling Federal Government agencies
34 11Bravo: Thankfully, I am not presented with such an unpleasant choice.
35 D L X: I agree, but as I noted in a previous thread (FlyDeltaJets took note) I promised that I was going to give her a fair chance now that she was hired as
36 mt99: "If [senior Republican] Mitt Romney had notes on his hand, wouldn't we take it pretty seriously?" she said on MSNBC's Daily Rundown show on Monday."
38 mt99: Sorry missed the link to story http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8505701.stm NBC journalist Andrea Mitchell
39 EA772LR: Can you name those common-sense solutions that are dishonest? Oh ok, so you steal from generations not yet born to pay for your mistakes now? I guess
40 D L X: She's not pro-life. That much can be gleaned from the Chris Wallace interview, linked in Reply 1. She made the CHOICE to have the baby, and detailed
41 EA772LR: Then the whole 'Pro-Life/Pro-Choice' argument is moot, and is reduced to semantics. Every woman has a 'choice' to go through with her pregnancy. But
42 mirrodie: Yes. AS noted, I stopped in 6th grade. That pretty much sums up my point as well. The Palin supporters have to admit, there is something very weird a
43 11Bravo: Which is exactly the problem. With unusually rare exception, most "normal" Americans have no business running for high office. Our leaders should be
44 ken777: I watched her Tea Party speech to see what $100,000 could get you and was fairly impressed with her delivery. As one analysis later said, she has foun
45 Aesma: Yeah, cause of course other presidents didn't do it. Pro-life/pro-choice is about law, more specifically the concept of a law that would forfeit the
46 EA772LR: No that is the problem. We stopped having regular people who are actually in touch with what's going on with 'average' Americans' lives. You see how
48 EA772LR: Come back and show me that debt map after the Obamassiah leaves office. ÃÂ Here's a few for you: Notice the letter G because of Obama's borrowi
49 11Bravo: This is a thread about Palin, not current or prior administrations, and the fact is she is woefully unprepared to be president. She is poorly educate
50 ken777: Republicans do tend to add to the national debt while chastising the Democrats. Always been a queer trick that they play and the people actually beli
51 Dreadnought: It didn't stop Obama, did it? His election ended the argument that one needed to have relevant experience and intelligence to be President. All you n
52 mt99: So you are saying Palin would be just as good as Obama?
54 EA772LR: Or as bad? Not nearly as bad. Aesma brought it up, so I thought I'd bring up how much more Obama is spending. Are we talking about Palin or Obama
55 mt99: You dont understand do you? Using paper makes you an elitist.
56 TransIsland: There's a difference between criticism and obstructionism. The opposition should do itself a favour and drop the revolutionary rhetoric. No, I can't.
57 mt99: But you agree she would be bad... Now,, this is funny White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs took a swipe at Sarah Palin Tuesday, mimicking the for
58 D L X: I think you too are mistaken on what it means to be Pro-life. Pro-life means that you want the government to ban abortion, not just for yourself, but
59 DucatiRacer: Hmmm. B.A. from Columbia, J.D. from Harvard. If Obama is "uneducated" you guys must all be Nobel Laureates. I think the guy has been a pathetic POTUS
60 ken777: Now that one was funny. Sarah is going to live with that hand "thing" for a long time.
61 TransIsland: LMFAO - Here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktTFtqK_XwQ
62 D L X: Bullschnitzels, man. There were no teleprompters when Obama went toe to toe with the GOP last weekend in Baltimore. This idea that Obama's an idiot w
63 srbmod: Yet again, some of you take yet another political thread so far off-topic that it is beyond repair. If folks cannot stay on topic when it comes to pol
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