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Benefits Of A 2WD Vs. 4x4 Chevy Tahoe?  
User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 22042 times:

I've been looking to get into a Tahoe as my Mini Cooper is growing to be too small.

I've found one that is in great shape and has low miles. But, it's a 2WD. A 2WD Z71 to be exact.

I'm not sure I'd exactly need the 4WD except for future trips to Tahoe which is only a few hours north of here.

Any input would be appreciated especially if you've driven either Tahoe.


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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 22035 times:

Quoting UA777222 (Thread starter):
except for future trips to Tahoe

Do you do a fair amount of driving in snow?

Do you do any off-roading?

If the answer to above-two questions is 'No'; then a 2WD Tahoe should suit you fine. Plus a 2WD Tahoe will get better (and I use the term better somewhat lossely) fuel economy than a comparable 4WD model.

Word of caution: Since you're moving up from a Mini Cooper; either version of the Tahoe will yield some initial sticker shock when fueling.

If the difference in fuel economy (between the Tahoe and Mini Cooper) is too severe for you; you might want to look at smaller SUVs (or even CUVs) as an alternative.



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User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 22029 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 1):
Word of caution: Since you're moving up from a Mini Cooper; either version of the Tahoe will yield some initial sticker shock when fueling.

I actually got into an accident and there was this long drawn out process and was given an 08' Tahoe as a loaner for about 3 months.

I just bought the Cooper in June but I'm putting too many miles on it and want to park a car somewhere and not worry about what's going to happen to it.

I don't do much off roadng and no to the snow for now, but I want to know that if I plop down on the car, I won't be restricted.

Now I get to try to battle a dealership into giving me a used car with a trade-in of a next to new car that's worth about 10k more.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 22022 times:

Quoting UA777222 (Reply 2):
I just bought the Cooper in June but I'm putting too many miles on it and want to park a car somewhere and not worry about what's going to happen to it.

What kind of neighborhood do you live in?

If you're worried about something happening to your Mini Cooper; wouldn't similar hold true for a Tahoe?

Quoting UA777222 (Reply 2):
I don't do much off roadng and no to the snow for now, but I want to know that if I plop down on the car, I won't be restricted.

Restricted in what way? If you have a 2WD model and are that worried about occasionally getting stuck; just put some additional weight in the back and invest in a couple of snow tires during the winter months. Many have done that for years (long before the wide-spread use of SUVs or FWD cars).

Additionally, one can have the best and most snow-worthy vehicle in the land but still have problems if one drives over-confident. During my drive to Massachusetts (from Pennsylvania) the day after the big December (12/20/09) snowstorm; the only 2 vehicles I saw off the side of the road (and appeared stuck) at different locations were either AWD/4WD Subarus.

Something to ponder.



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User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 22018 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 3):
What kind of neighborhood do you live in?

If you're worried about something happening to your Mini Cooper; wouldn't similar hold true for a Tahoe?

It's not that I live in a bad neighborhood, I leave my car parked in San Francisco some nights and during the days. And in SF, you park where you can find it. Also, it isn't just a plain-Jane Cooper, there are about 8k worth of options. The price of the car is my fault, and one of the reasons that I'm looking for something less expensive.

When I bought the car I was using public transit to get to work and now that my job has changed, I am driving over 1,500 miles a month which in the Bay Area is a good amount.

Thanks for your great input.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8840 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 22004 times:

I had a 4WD Tahoe and still managed to get it stuck a few times. The problem with the Tahoe is that it is a HEAVY vehicle with a lot of weight up front, and the tire patch isn't that great. I used to have a Jeep Grand Cherokee - smaller, lighter, but as much power and the same tire patch or thereabouts - it was far, far better in the snow or off-road.

If you never go off-road, fine. But if you intend to drive on snow, I'd be wary of a 2WD Tahoe. The 4WD under-steered like a cow, and while the 2WD might have a slightly better weight balance, it will be neutered by the loss of power to the front wheels.

I'd say a 2WD Tahoe is only good for Soccer Moms living between Southern California and Florida.



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 21947 times:

I don't want to sound rude, but...

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 5):
I'd say a 2WD Tahoe is only good for Soccer Moms living between Southern California and Florida.

I'd say a 2WD Tahoe is completely useless.


If you just want space, consider a station wagon or a van.

If you also want off-road / snow capability, then you need a 4WD.



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 21941 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 6):
If you just want space, consider a station wagon

Isn't that what a 2WD SUV essentially is?

Side bar: there hasn't been a full-size station wagon on the market since 1996. Since UA777222's looking for something less than 5 years old; a 2WD SUV may fit his space needs.

One item not yet mentioned (not sure whether UA777222 needs this or not) is that MOST 2WD SUVs (particularly the turck-based models) have higher towing capacities than their 4WD counterparts.

[Edited 2010-02-08 09:49:04]


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User currently offlineeaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1015 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 21936 times:

Snow: 4WD
No snow: 2WD


User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 21916 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 6):
If you just want space, consider a station wagon or a van.
  No point buying a tank, that will handle like crap regardless if its 2WD or 4WD.

Get one of these, AWD is standard:



For $35K it is cheaper than a Tahoe, better built, more efficient, more features, more speed, better handling, and infinitely better looking. And just as capable when it comes to space.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 21888 times:

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 9):
For $35K it is cheaper than a Tahoe

You may want to re-read some of his earlier posts; he's not inquiring about a NEW (2010) Tahoe.

Quoting UA777222 (Thread starter):
I've found one that is in great shape and has low miles. But, it's a 2WD. A 2WD Z71 to be exact.
Quoting UA777222 (Reply 2):
given an 08' Tahoe


That being said, he SHOULD get a much cheaper price w/a 2-year old model; especially a 2WD.

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 9):
And just as capable when it comes to space.

You can't tell me for ONE MINUTE that that Audi wagon has MORE interior room/cargo space as a Tahoe. The Tahoe's shoulder-room for all 3 rows is at least OVER 61" and it's 1st and 2nd rows have at least more than 60" of hip-room. The Tahoe's cargo volume (w/2nd and 3rd row seats folded) is 108.9 cubic feet.

2010 Tahoe specs. (2008 model's probably similar):
http://www.chevrolet.com/tahoe/features-specs/

UA777222's obviously inquiring about something LARGER than a mid-size station wagon..



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8840 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 21886 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 10):
You can't tell me for ONE MINUTE that that Audi wagon has MORE interior room/cargo space as a Tahoe.

Actually I was shocked at how poor the Tahoe is for roominess. Granted mine was a 1998, but it's still the same basic frame isn't it? Rear seat legroom was crap. For adults, it was far more comfortable to ride in the back of the BMW 540 Station Wagon we had at the same time.

Of course the cargo space was bigger. But frankly how often do you fill a station wagon to the roof?



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7361 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 21882 times:

If the Mini Cooper is too small then you need to get a Mini Cooper Clubman, bingo more space and a lot nicer than the POS Tahoe.



PS the Clubman is also a better drive than the regular Mini, the extra length in the wheelbase really does make it a better handling car and its ride comfort is also superior...I love my Mini, I couldn't understand how you could even contemplate swapping a Mini for a truck. You could always trade for a Countryman if you really need a lot more space.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12142 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 21872 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 6):
If you also want off-road / snow capability, then you need a 4WD.
Quoting eaa3 (Reply 8):
Snow: 4WD
No snow: 2WD

Not really, if you have experience driving on snow or ice, you do not need 4WD. I have been buying F-150s for years, and never even considered a 4WD version because it is not needed. Just make sure the Tahoe has a factory tow kit with the limited slip rear end, or even full posi-traction. You can tell this by looking at the rear end and see if it has a metal tag attached, standard one wheel drive rear ends do not have the tag, but all with limited slip or more do have it, It sends power to both rear whells when one begins to slip on snow or ice.

If you buy a 4WD SUV/Truck, and never use it, you still have to pay for the extra maintenance on it. But if you think 4WD brings you peace of mind, then also consider a used AWD vehicle, like a Suberu, or some other make and model.

4WD is better for off road use than it is if you only drive on plowed, or nearly plowed roads.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 7):
Quoting A342 (Reply 6):
If you just want space, consider a station wagon

Isn't that what a 2WD SUV essentially is?

Correct, but it does carry and tow more than a station wagon can.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19687 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 21859 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 6):

I'd say a 2WD Tahoe is completely useless.


If you just want space, consider a station wagon or a van.

If you also want off-road / snow capability, then you need a 4WD.

I agree. You either need the capabilities of an SUV (ground clearance, 4WD, interior space) or you don't. A 2WD SUV makes as much sense as a dryer without a heating element. If you're going to use it go to Tahoe, you need the 4WD or you will be one of the poor schmucks on the side of the Donner Pass putting chains on (which is always a lot harder than you think it's going to be). If you don't need the 4WD capability, get a mini-van, which will give you better space with similar gas mileage.


User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 21848 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 10):

You can't tell me for ONE MINUTE that that Audi wagon has MORE interior room/cargo space as a Tahoe.

I said it was just as capable.

On the same token, you can't tell me for one MINUTE more than 95% of SUV owners use all that interior space. Sure, the A4 may only get 50 cubic feet, but having owned several stations wagons that size I can guarantee it's more than enough for 90% of the OPs needs. I was just in tahoe a few weeks ago. Even with all the camping equipment for 5 people in there it was still not enough to justify the need for it and all that crap could have easily fitted in an A4. In fact, the most common station wagons we saw on the drive to Tahoe were A4s.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 10):
UA777222's obviously inquiring about something LARGER than a mid-size station wagon..

The only mention of that is occasional ski trips, for which the A4 is plenty.

And just like there's used Tahoes, there's used A4s.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 11):
Of course the cargo space was bigger. But frankly how often do you fill a station wagon to the roof?

My thoughts exactly. Heck when I moved from Arizona to Texas I fit ALL my crap in my tiny Dodge Neon. And there was still room for one passenger. My friend did something similar with his GTI after college, and that doesn't even have a trunk for freaks sake!


User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5712 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 21841 times:

Quoting UA777222 (Thread starter):
I've been looking to get into a Tahoe as my Mini Cooper is growing to be too small.

It seems like going from one extreme to another...
Anyway what's the point of driving a car designed to be used off the road, but which you can't even take off the road given the lack of 4WD and has all the negatives of a SUV while ON the road?


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12142 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 21840 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 14):
Quoting A342 (Reply 6):

I'd say a 2WD Tahoe is completely useless.


If you just want space, consider a station wagon or a van.

If you also want off-road / snow capability, then you need a 4WD.

I agree. You either need the capabilities of an SUV (ground clearance, 4WD, interior space) or you don't. A 2WD SUV makes as much sense as a dryer without a heating element. If you're going to use it go to Tahoe, you need the 4WD or you will be one of the poor schmucks on the side of the Donner Pass putting chains on (which is always a lot harder than you think it's going to be).

Like any peice of machinery, if you know how to operate it correctly, you don't need the 4X4, as it is a waste of weight, needs maintenance (whether you use it or not), causes you to use more gas, and will not get used very often.

Just because Cal-Trans will not make you put on chains over Donner Pass in the winter, does not garuntee you will not get stuck because you have a 4X4 (you can get stuck with chains, too). Most people who own them do not know how to use the 4X4 features, anyway.

As I understand it, Cal-Trans only requires chains when it is snowing and snow removal opertions are going on anyway. Even in the Serria Nevadas it does not snow everyday in the winter time.


User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 21837 times:

I had a clubman s when my car was last serviced. It was nice, but it's just a longer version of my current car.

I liked being able to take my lab and throw him into the Tahoe and being able to tote him around. I also seem to be hauling stuff around for both my job and my house. I like the bucket seats in the first row as well.

I'm not going to be buying a station wagon.



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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 21833 times:

I thought this was appropriate for the discussion:



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(Am I the only one getting pissed off with all the AAAAAAs randomly appearing?    )


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 21829 times:

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 19):
I thought this was appropriate for the discussion:

Interesting that the SUV in that pic is actually a Toyota.   

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 19):
(Am I the only one getting pissed off with all the AAAAAAs randomly appearing? )

The only time I've seen those appear is when I select a smilie, preview the post, then go back and edit it for some reason.

What has worked for me (thus far) once that happens, I edit the post (prior to it being initially posted) and replace the smilie. It's a bit of a pain but it has worked for me thus far.



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 21820 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 7):
Isn't that what a 2WD SUV essentially is?

No, a SUV is much heavier, is less efficient and handles worse.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 7):
Side bar: there hasn't been a full-size station wagon on the market since 1996. Since UA777222's looking for something less than 5 years old; a 2WD SUV may fit his space needs.

Depends on what you consider full size. A Volvo V70 or Dodge Magnum is certainly not small. Same goes for an A6 Avant, E-class T-modell or 5-series Touring.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 13):
Not really, if you have experience driving on snow or ice, you do not need 4WD. I have been buying F-150s for years, and never even considered a 4WD version because it is not needed. Just make sure the Tahoe has a factory tow kit with the limited slip rear end, or even full posi-traction. You can tell this by looking at the rear end and see if it has a metal tag attached, standard one wheel drive rear ends do not have the tag, but all with limited slip or more do have it, It sends power to both rear whells when one begins to slip on snow or ice.

Starting from a standstill on a steep icy slope is often almost impossible with 2WD (just snow is fine), even if you have traction control or limited slip differentials. Only chains or 4WD will help you then. (Note: winter tires are a must anyway!)



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 21810 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 11):
Granted mine was a 1998, but it's still the same basic frame isn't it?

The body (& platform) has changed twice since then: once in 2000 (GMT800 platform) and again in 2007 (which is the current model is based from, the GMT900 platform). It usually changes within a year or two following the full-size pick-up truck line (Silverado) platform changes.

Your '98 model was from the GMT400 platform.

Granted, it's from Wiki; so take for what it's worth:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevy_Tahoe

Quoting A342 (Reply 21):
Depends on what you consider full size.

Time to post some true full-size wagons to drive the point home:

1996 Buick Roadmaster Estate


1996 Chevrolet Caprice Estate


Going back a little further,

1991 Ford Country Squire


1991 Mercury Colony Park
http://www.auto-visuals.com/images/steve/mercury.jpg

These wagons (with all the rear seats folded) could easily fit a stack of 4x8 sheets of plywood (placed flat).

Quoting A342 (Reply 21):
Dodge Magnum is certainly not small.

When one compares the cargo carrying capacities of a Magnum wagon vs. the 4 above-listed examples (despite the Magnum sporting a longer wheelbase); the Magnum (while certainly a nice vehicle) can't quite cut it. The rear roofline's a tad too raked, it's overall length and width is too short and narrow to make it make it a spacious cargo hauler.

Among today's vehicles, if one wants the equivalent room of a true full-size station wagon of yore; full-size SUVs like the Tahoe, Expedition, Sequioa and Armada seem to best meet that category. If wants more room; then there's always the longer Suburban and Expedition EL model.

Back to the topic at hand, the only reason why UA777222 is even asking or considering a 2WD Tahoe is because he's been driving a loner for a while and the owner may have made him an offer to buy it (guess on my part).



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 21796 times:

Quoting UA777222 (Thread starter):
I'm not sure I'd exactly need the 4WD except for future trips to Tahoe which is only a few hours north of here.

Have you looked into a Chevy Traverse? Its just as big as a Tahoe inside, have a much more fuel efficient V6 engine, and has all of the latest safety equipment? A brand-new one will cost about $26K-28K USD. I personally think the Traverse is a MUCH better buy than a Tahoe - and yes, the Traverse come in 2WD and 4WD versions. The Traverse will not make a terrific tow-vehicle though - if you are planning on towing a camper or boat, then go for the 4WD Tahoe.



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User currently offlinecptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 21794 times:

I like the Tahoe. 2WD will give you better mileage but remember with the 4X4 you have the option of venturing into worse-off sojourns. Don't forget you'll get great traction up those San Francisco hills in wet slippery weather! If you really like the 2WD, go for it, though.

My 1WD S-10 is a good economical grocery-getter, although I mostly use my 4X4 Silverado because I like the versatility, especially when unexpectedly needed, much more. Regards...jack



all best; jack
25 UA777222 : I guess I'll see what's out there and jump. I was with a friend today and she got a flat tire and had to call for an auto guy to come out and change h
26 BMI727 : ...and also make you look like one of those thirty something losers who has already given up on life and shows it by wearing socks with sandals, usin
27 Post contains links LOT767-300ER : what do you mean "or" 4WD. That is the most vague solution to a problem ive ever heard. Winter tires are not a must on a SUV, you can get good MT or
28 Dreadnought : Trust me, as someone who has spent months at a time in the snow, While you might be OK with all season tires and 4WD, you will get a huge advantage b
29 LOT767-300ER : And what are you talking about here? I never said anything about All season HT tires and 4WD. I said M/T (although I admit not all in this category)
30 Pellegrine : Driven a 2WD Suburban and I have a 4WD Yukon Denali right now, so... I'd say the 2WD is good on dry, but I've also burned rubber and fishtailed in the
31 Post contains images A342 : I mean what I said. Starting from a standstill on a steep icy slope, you mostly need either chains or 4WD. What part don't you understand? They are a
32 Post contains images PHLBOS : No offense but you don't need to tell me that. I've been pile-driving the CAFE issue (especially w/regards to full-size cars and wagons) on these thr
33 A332 : You can't even get a 2wd Tahoe in Canada... they are only available in the US and obviously because there are numerous sections of the US where you ar
34 EA CO AS : Ok, I'll throw out my $0.02 worth - - If you feel you might want the 4x4, then get it. Better to have it and not need it than to need it at some point
35 Post contains images A332 : BTW... I should add that I used to own a 2002 Yukon SLT 4x4 and it was a great truck all around, never any issues. I upgraded to my current Chevy Aval
36 TSS : Are you 100% sure (as in looked underneath and saw no half-shafts going to the front wheel hubs) that it's a 2WD Z71? The Z71 package is (or at least
37 BMI727 : My grandparents' Equinox is a less snug fit in their garage than the Venture they had before. On a side note, my grandpa had to make small cutouts in
38 A342 : That may be true, but in the end, it is up to the thread starter to decide. Like some other posters, I find the jump from a Mini to a Tahoe to be som
39 Post contains images flanker : OH hell no you didn't go there! I will put my old B5 up against anything. Even a tank.   
40 PHLBOS : Agreed, but as you stated earlier: And as I mentioned earlier, UA777222's only inquiring about a Tahoe, because he's driven a loaner model for a whil
41 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : The "or" and "mostly" part. You will go nowhere on a steep slope with all 4 tires touching ice with 4WD UNLESS youve got 4WD with chains or studs. Ju
42 UA777222 : I believe in 05' on it became an option to have 2WD. I'm trying to get away from that right now. MB is going to cost me money down the road. MX is ex
43 Post contains images LOT767-300ER :    The R Class is one of the most impractical cars out there, which is why it completely failed to sell. I think in like the 5 years they sold less
44 Post contains images flanker : B5 is 50/50 split. The newer gens. are 40/60. If only the A4 was higher like the allroad, I could take on quite a few heavy duty winter vehicles. Bigg
45 Post contains images EA CO AS : True - the 4Runner is far more reliable.    Pardon? How do you figure? 278 lb·ft of torque on the V6 4Runner compared to 305 lb·ft of
46 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : Yes, its 50/50 split but only can transfer 17% back and forth. The new ones can transfer 80% to the front axle, and 100% to the rear and vector 90% p
47 Post contains images flanker : 8 FEET DEEP!!! O SNAPP   
48 Post contains links and images LOT767-300ER :   It snowed mad here in Chicago today. I went to Winnetka and I saw a poor soul in a Mercedes GLK 4Matic who couldnt get out of his long driveway
49 Post contains images flanker : Yeah everyone up there tells me this. had only about 1.5 inches here in Carbondale. LOL YOUD HAVE TO GET IT STUCK FIRST!!!! Good luck with that.  Sa
50 LOT767-300ER : Im pretty sure youd get stuck just in 7-8 inch mud. Its a car, not a XJ with a 2" lift and MTs hehe. How did you go from B5 to a Saab 9000? Good god.
51 flanker : LOL.. yea you can get it stuck in that much. Btw, I went from the B5 to a 450$ 96' Neon which i sold for 600$, to the Saab which i picked up for 500$
52 LOT767-300ER : Again, why?
53 Post contains images flanker : Had to go to school and still owed money on the car   had to sell it.
54 LOT767-300ER : So you never owned it. The bank did. Hehe. All joking aside....thats a truly depressing event.
55 DeltaMD11 : I have an '05 Tahoe Z71 4X4 and it's been nothing but awesome. Bought it used in December of 2008 with only 31,000 miles. It's been a great vehicle, r
56 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : A convert? unreal. [Edited 2010-02-10 04:22:54]
57 A342 : Or when you've got winter tires. Seen it with my own eyes in Switzerland. WALKING on the road where the quattro-equipped Audi (take note!) launched f
58 UA777222 : Actually, most of the cars that are exactly what I'm looking for I won't touch because they've been lifted or post-purchased modified in some way. Co
59 A342 : Good thing to stay away from them. Substantially larger rims+tires alone can sometimes be a reason to double-check such a car. Due to their heavier w
60 cptkrell : Quting A342: "...Substantially larger rims+tires...might ovgerstress the shock absorbers." Overstressing the shocks are the least of the worry. Every
61 flanker : Technically yes! I didnt think twice before using the word "owned". Sorry!
62 Post contains links mham001 : It would be a smart move considering the reputation they have as the worst car in N. America for initial quality and somewhere in the worst 10 for de
63 Post contains links and images LOT767-300ER : Rubber compound will do nought to stop you on pure ice. You need chains or studs. The only thing that will stop you is something that will physically
64 Post contains links flanker : WHOAAA that thing is awesome!!! Love the height!!!! LOL on a lighter note, this is where its at... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXo2qoP3cEc[Edited 2
65 cptkrell : In reference to LOT767-ER's (reply 63) to my (reply 60) being "a bunch of garbage", I won't spend a lot time with such a response that is in some case
66 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : self-contradictory? Could be just that you live around people who dont know what they are doing, around here I dont know of anyone that would attempt
67 mham001 : So now you're saying he needs 4wd for a wet road? I'm not going to comment, the only thing I have to say about that would get the post deleted.
68 LOT767-300ER : No, didnt say he needs it, said he doesnt have to worry about gunning it and slipping. The cost of owning a 4WD vs 2WD Tahoe arent that much. 1mpg in
69 cptkrell : LOT767-300ER; My comments were in reference to A342's mention of "substantially larger rims/tires... overstressing shock absobers", which they will. I
70 mham001 : Part time 4wd is not meant for rain slicked roads. No manufacturer recommends engaging 4wd for rain. There is still plenty of traction and you will d
71 Post contains links and images LOT767-300ER : Yes. I know its an ANTI-sway bar hence I said you will roll like a ship on high seas. An Anti-Sway bar is just another name for a Sway-bar. http://en
72 DeltaMD11 : I know, hard to believe huh? Long time no type Roley. I'm not kiddin though, that thing is rockin. Can't wait to get back home to actually be able to
73 LOT767-300ER : Hehehe touche. I havent been on here for like at least 2 years just until maybe last week.
74 Post contains links A342 : Well, and day to day driving is what it's all about, isn't it? Such as...? No. I said inches, and I mean inches, not cm. Even in the metric tyre desi
75 Post contains images BMI727 : The mixed designations for tires standard in America as well. A tire may have an inscription like 245/45Z-18 where the first number (245) is the widt
76 WildcatYXU : You have an error there. The second number is the sidewall height expressed as percentage of the width. So the sidewal on this tyre would be 245x0.45
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