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U.S. Soldier 'waterboarded His Own Daughter, 4  
User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3940 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

U.S. soldier 'waterboarded his own daughter, 4, because she couldn't recite alphabet'

Read more:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...phabet.html?ITO=1490#ixzz0extabLNA


What the hell was he thinking of ??!

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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
What the hell was he thinking of ??!

Sounds like alot of mental health issues. Which is a serious problem with some guys coming home.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26995 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 1):
Sounds like alot of mental health issues. Which is a serious problem with some guys coming home.

Very true , this guy sounds like he needs to be taken away from his family and some kind of rehab for his own good and his families.


User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5032 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2703 times:

What's the problem? Waterboarding's not torture, right?  

User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2704 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 3):
What's the problem? Waterboarding's not torture, right?

Took about as long as I thought it should...



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2697 times:

Sounds like the guy is a Section 8, and needs to be waterboarded himself.

User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2664 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 5):
Sounds like the guy is a Section 8, and needs to be waterboarded himself.

Yep. Thats the answer. Torture someone who has mental health problems from fighting for his country. Really dude?



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User currently offlineMoltenRock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2566 times:

Any update on if the little girl can now recite the alphabet?  

Is it really any surprise? When you justify torture at every opportunity, and prescribe it for anyone arrested for anything remotely linked to or could be linked to "terror" as Republicans did, and force troops to carry this practice out on others, those who use and practice such become animals themselves.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7391 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2563 times:

My 4 year old can count to 20 in two languages, but as for the alphabet he sucks, but I sure as hell won't be waterboarding him, the wife wouldn't stand for crap like that.

User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2559 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
My 4 year old can count to 20 in two languages, but as for the alphabet he sucks, but I sure as hell won't be waterboarding him, the wife wouldn't stand for crap like that.

I cant help but   



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19708 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2510 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
My 4 year old can count to 20 in two languages, but as for the alphabet he sucks, but I sure as hell won't be waterboarding him, the wife wouldn't stand for crap like that.

*sigh* don't you know ANYTHING about child development? Waterboarding isn't torture, so it's not motivating enough. You have to use REAL torture to get your kid to say the alphabet. I recommend lit cigarettes between the fingers, first.

  

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 7):

Is it really any surprise? When you justify torture at every opportunity, and prescribe it for anyone arrested for anything remotely linked to or could be linked to "terror" as Republicans did, and force troops to carry this practice out on others, those who use and practice such become animals themselves.

   Couldn't have said it any better..


User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1798 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2502 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 6):
Yep. Thats the answer. Torture someone who has mental health problems from fighting for his country. Really dude?

Naaaaa....just throw him in jail



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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2480 times:

Quoting Marcus (Reply 11):
Naaaaa....just throw him in jail

So thats what you suggest you do with our ill vets? Throw them in jail? Christ even after Vietnam we didn't do that.



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User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1798 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2460 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 12):
So thats what you suggest you do with our ill vets? Throw them in jail? Christ even after Vietnam we didn't do that.

If he committed a crime he should pay......unless he gets a good lawyer and is able to prove temporary insanity



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User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3647 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2414 times:

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 7):

Is it really any surprise? When you justify torture at every opportunity, and prescribe it for anyone arrested for anything remotely linked to or could be linked to "terror" as Republicans did, and force troops to carry this practice out on others, those who use and practice such become animals themselves.

Uhh, waterboarding was being used long before the "war on terror". If one really wanted to place blame, maybe those who screamed about it and put it front page in the media should get some of it.

Anyway, my daughter can identify every letter at the age of 2. Electricity is much more motivating.

[Edited 2010-02-08 14:48:45]

User currently offlinetbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
*sigh* don't you know ANYTHING about child development? Waterboarding isn't torture, so it's not motivating enough. You have to use REAL torture to get your kid to say the alphabet. I recommend lit cigarettes between the fingers, first.

Follow that with a shot of vodka.... for the four year old.

((just kidding folks, I don't condone the torture of children, only my own))



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2873 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2374 times:

Ever heard of Guantanamo Bay


Send him there...... forever !



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8542 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2371 times:

What's next, using an aerial drone to mug somebody? Sadly, I wish I were kidding.

User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 7):
Is it really any surprise? When you justify torture at every opportunity, and prescribe it for anyone arrested for anything remotely linked to or could be linked to "terror" as Republicans did, and force troops to carry this practice out on others, those who use and practice such become animals themselves.

Nice throwing politics into this.

This guy may have PTSD and all, but don't forget, when the military is millions of people big, you'll have stuff like this happen eventually. Has nothing to do with Republicans/Democrats.



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User currently offlinejohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2592 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

Jesus F'ing Christ.......how bad must the mother have been if they gave custody to this walking time bomb?

User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2314 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 18):
This guy may have PTSD and all, but don't forget, when the military is millions of people big, you'll have stuff like this happen eventually. Has nothing to do with Republicans/Democrats.

Yes and no. On the one hand, I certainly wouldn't say that this incident reflects on the soldier's personal political leanings. On the other, I doubt that this individual came up with the idea of waterboarding all on his own. Certain government officials over the past several years--most of them Republicans--have tried to normalize waterboarding, and that effort may have contributed to this man's actions (regardless of his personal politics).



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2873 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

Quoting johnboy (Reply 19):
Jesus F'ing Christ.......how bad must the mother have been if they gave custody to this walking time bomb?


There are some people out there who should NEVER have been allowed to have children, EVER !!

And unfortunately were surrounded by them.   

[Edited 2010-02-08 17:20:52]


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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6658 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

He put her head in a bowl of water. That's not waterboarding in my book.


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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3940 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2154 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 22):
He put her head in a bowl of water. That's not waterboarding in my book.

This is a 4 year old child we are talking about here. No doubt close enough and without a doubt totally uncalled for.

Also:

She told them about the alleged torture and the terrified girl was found hiding in a closet, with bruising on her back and scratch marks on her neck and throat.
Asked how she got the bruises, the girl is said to have replied: 'Daddy did it.'
During a police interview Tabor allegedly admitted grabbing his daughter, placing her on the kitchen counter and submerging her face into a bowl of water.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...phabet.html?ITO=1490#ixzz0f4VKgsth


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6658 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

I didn't say it was alright, just that it seems more like drowning. You forgot the part about the fact that she was afraid of water to begin with. And how they found the guy shouting in the street with his military helmet. He clearly looks insane.


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25 falstaff : I don't think many troops were involved with water boarding. It isn't like soldiers were waterboarding every person they came across. I bet this guy
26 mham001 : I don't talk about it but I have stories from childhood along those same lines, and worse. It happens all the time, all over. Trying to tie this in to
27 RussianJet : I thought waterboarding was a standard technique in US primary schools??
28 Post contains images afterburner : ... as a prisoner, not as a guard.
29 JMackey : Are " Section 8 " and " 51/50 " one in the same ?
30 MCOflyer : This guy ought to be ashamed of himself and be thrown in the brig. How can his lawyers prove temporary insanity when he was in full control of himself
31 AverageUser : I think you should talk them out with someone.
32 Mudboy : First off, I don't think what he did, qualifies as water boarding, I think it is the media, doing what they do.. I do not in anyway condone what he d
33 sudden : I don't think his daughter cares jack...about where he was deployed. It's freakin scary how you guys forget the fact that a 4 year old girl was tortu
34 DeltaMD90 : I kinda want to volunteer for it... everyone makes such a big deal about but from what I heard it's not too bad. Then again, I'm kinda into that chal
35 Fabo : I guess its kinda worse when you know those doing it could not care less about killing you.
36 EA CO AS : No. IIRC, a "Section 8" is where you're discharged from the military based on mental illness whereas a "5150" is a term for an involuntary psychiatri
37 Post contains links MoltenRock : Really? Like who? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUkj9pjx3H0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LPubUCJv58
38 DeltaMD90 : Well obviously not these guys. I'm talking about some SF guys. If my dad did SERE school a little later in life, he'd probably have had to do it, wis
39 Aesma : As Fabo pointed to, a big part of torture in general and that involving life-threatening treatment in particular, is that you really fear for your lif
40 Mudboy : What you don't understand is while going through the training, you are telling yourself, "they cannot hurt me", but they keep you so sleep deprived,
41 DeltaMD90 : Yeah actually I do see what you mean. I mean basic training wasn't all that bad but they would do a pretty good job of messing with your mind even th
42 Aaron747 : To get my three year-old son to do anything, I merely threaten no trip to the park. I've made good on it several times, so he knows papa's for real.
43 Post contains images ACDC8 : And such a fine young man the military molded him into ... seriously thats such a cop out
44 sudden : Now that comment is worth an oscar on it's own. Aim for the sky! Sudden
45 DeltaMD90 : I'm pretty sure this guy had lots of problems before he went in. Yeah, there are some strange people in the military too. But overall, I've seen it b
46 ACDC8 : I agree with you completely, personally, I think military service can be very productive and beneficial to many people. For example, we have a large
47 DeltaMD90 : Oh ok. Yeah I agree, no matter how good you are you should be punished/tried to reform. If anything, he should be put into a mental hospital. PTSD af
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