Cadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9081 posts, RR: 34 Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2293 times:
Cadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9081 posts, RR: 34 Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2227 times:
Quoting Scorpio (Reply 3): What's the problem? Waterboarding's not torture, right?
Took about as long as I thought it should...
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Cadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9081 posts, RR: 34 Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2187 times:
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 5): Sounds like the guy is a Section 8, and needs to be waterboarded himself.
Yep. Thats the answer. Torture someone who has mental health problems from fighting for his country. Really dude?
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MoltenRock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2089 times:
Any update on if the little girl can now recite the alphabet? Â
Is it really any surprise? When you justify torture at every opportunity, and prescribe it for anyone arrested for anything remotely linked to or could be linked to "terror" as Republicans did, and force troops to carry this practice out on others, those who use and practice such become animals themselves.
KiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 5306 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2086 times:
My 4 year old can count to 20 in two languages, but as for the alphabet he sucks, but I sure as hell won't be waterboarding him, the wife wouldn't stand for crap like that.
Cadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9081 posts, RR: 34 Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2082 times:
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8): My 4 year old can count to 20 in two languages, but as for the alphabet he sucks, but I sure as hell won't be waterboarding him, the wife wouldn't stand for crap like that.
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DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16831 posts, RR: 57 Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2033 times:
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8): My 4 year old can count to 20 in two languages, but as for the alphabet he sucks, but I sure as hell won't be waterboarding him, the wife wouldn't stand for crap like that.
*sigh* don't you know ANYTHING about child development? Waterboarding isn't torture, so it's not motivating enough. You have to use REAL torture to get your kid to say the alphabet. I recommend lit cigarettes between the fingers, first.
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Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 7):
Is it really any surprise? When you justify torture at every opportunity, and prescribe it for anyone arrested for anything remotely linked to or could be linked to "terror" as Republicans did, and force troops to carry this practice out on others, those who use and practice such become animals themselves.
Cadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9081 posts, RR: 34 Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2003 times:
Quoting Marcus (Reply 11): Naaaaa....just throw him in jail
So thats what you suggest you do with our ill vets? Throw them in jail? Christ even after Vietnam we didn't do that.
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mham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3001 posts, RR: 3 Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1937 times:
Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 7):
Is it really any surprise? When you justify torture at every opportunity, and prescribe it for anyone arrested for anything remotely linked to or could be linked to "terror" as Republicans did, and force troops to carry this practice out on others, those who use and practice such become animals themselves.
Uhh, waterboarding was being used long before the "war on terror". If one really wanted to place blame, maybe those who screamed about it and put it front page in the media should get some of it.
Anyway, my daughter can identify every letter at the age of 2. Electricity is much more motivating.
tbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 28 Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1915 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10): *sigh* don't you know ANYTHING about child development? Waterboarding isn't torture, so it's not motivating enough. You have to use REAL torture to get your kid to say the alphabet. I recommend lit cigarettes between the fingers, first.
Follow that with a shot of vodka.... for the four year old.
((just kidding folks, I don't condone the torture of children, only my own))
Flighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 7451 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1894 times:
What's next, using an aerial drone to mug somebody? Sadly, I wish I were kidding.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5318 posts, RR: 47 Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1890 times:
Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 7): Is it really any surprise? When you justify torture at every opportunity, and prescribe it for anyone arrested for anything remotely linked to or could be linked to "terror" as Republicans did, and force troops to carry this practice out on others, those who use and practice such become animals themselves.
Nice throwing politics into this.
This guy may have PTSD and all, but don't forget, when the military is millions of people big, you'll have stuff like this happen eventually. Has nothing to do with Republicans/Democrats.
johnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2472 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1864 times:
Jesus F'ing Christ.......how bad must the mother have been if they gave custody to this walking time bomb?
Yellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 7 Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1837 times:
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 18): This guy may have PTSD and all, but don't forget, when the military is millions of people big, you'll have stuff like this happen eventually. Has nothing to do with Republicans/Democrats.
Yes and no. On the one hand, I certainly wouldn't say that this incident reflects on the soldier's personal political leanings. On the other, I doubt that this individual came up with the idea of waterboarding all on his own. Certain government officials over the past several years--most of them Republicans--have tried to normalize waterboarding, and that effort may have contributed to this man's actions (regardless of his personal politics).
Hydrogen is an odorless, colorless gas which, given enough time, turns into people.
Mortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3231 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1677 times:
Quoting Aesma (Reply 22): He put her head in a bowl of water. That's not waterboarding in my book.
This is a 4 year old child we are talking about here. No doubt close enough and without a doubt totally uncalled for.
Also:
She told them about the alleged torture and the terrified girl was found hiding in a closet, with bruising on her back and scratch marks on her neck and throat.
Asked how she got the bruises, the girl is said to have replied: 'Daddy did it.'
During a police interview Tabor allegedly admitted grabbing his daughter, placing her on the kitchen counter and submerging her face into a bowl of water.
Aesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 4800 posts, RR: 9 Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1645 times:
I didn't say it was alright, just that it seems more like drowning. You forgot the part about the fact that she was afraid of water to begin with. And how they found the guy shouting in the street with his military helmet. He clearly looks insane.
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25 falstaff: I don't think many troops were involved with water boarding. It isn't like soldiers were waterboarding every person they came across. I bet this guy
26 mham001: I don't talk about it but I have stories from childhood along those same lines, and worse. It happens all the time, all over. Trying to tie this in to
27 RussianJet: I thought waterboarding was a standard technique in US primary schools??
28 afterburner: ... as a prisoner, not as a guard.
29 JMackey: Are " Section 8 " and " 51/50 " one in the same ?
30 MCOflyer: This guy ought to be ashamed of himself and be thrown in the brig. How can his lawyers prove temporary insanity when he was in full control of himself
31 AverageUser: I think you should talk them out with someone.
32 Mudboy: First off, I don't think what he did, qualifies as water boarding, I think it is the media, doing what they do.. I do not in anyway condone what he d
33 sudden: I don't think his daughter cares jack...about where he was deployed. It's freakin scary how you guys forget the fact that a 4 year old girl was tortu
34 DeltaMD90: I kinda want to volunteer for it... everyone makes such a big deal about but from what I heard it's not too bad. Then again, I'm kinda into that chal
35 Fabo: I guess its kinda worse when you know those doing it could not care less about killing you.
36 EA CO AS: No. IIRC, a "Section 8" is where you're discharged from the military based on mental illness whereas a "5150" is a term for an involuntary psychiatri
37 MoltenRock: Really? Like who? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUkj9pjx3H0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LPubUCJv58
38 DeltaMD90: Well obviously not these guys. I'm talking about some SF guys. If my dad did SERE school a little later in life, he'd probably have had to do it, wis
39 Aesma: As Fabo pointed to, a big part of torture in general and that involving life-threatening treatment in particular, is that you really fear for your lif
40 Mudboy: What you don't understand is while going through the training, you are telling yourself, "they cannot hurt me", but they keep you so sleep deprived,
41 DeltaMD90: Yeah actually I do see what you mean. I mean basic training wasn't all that bad but they would do a pretty good job of messing with your mind even th
42 Aaron747: To get my three year-old son to do anything, I merely threaten no trip to the park. I've made good on it several times, so he knows papa's for real.
43 ACDC8: And such a fine young man the military molded him into ... seriously thats such a cop out
44 sudden: Now that comment is worth an oscar on it's own. Aim for the sky! Sudden
45 DeltaMD90: I'm pretty sure this guy had lots of problems before he went in. Yeah, there are some strange people in the military too. But overall, I've seen it b
46 ACDC8: I agree with you completely, personally, I think military service can be very productive and beneficial to many people. For example, we have a large
47 DeltaMD90: Oh ok. Yeah I agree, no matter how good you are you should be punished/tried to reform. If anything, he should be put into a mental hospital. PTSD af
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