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Canadian Forces Colonel Charged With 2 Homicides  
User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2025 times:

http://www.canada.com/news/Commander...+missing+deaths/2536787/story.html
http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/c...rticle.aspx?cp-documentid=23415543

Col. Russell Williams, commanding officer of 8 Wing Trenton, has been charged with 2 counts of 1st degree murder. In addition, he has been charged with 2 counts of forcible confinement, 2 counts of break and enter, and at least 1 count of sexual assault.

Personally, I find this absolutely revolting. This man is a disgrace to the uniform, and Her Majesty's commission. If found guilty, he should be made an example of and locked away indefinitely.

People used to hang for this sort of thing...


No matter how random things may appear, there's always a plan.
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User currently offlineAF340 From Canada, joined Jul 2007, 2786 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2019 times:

With more investigations (read possible serial killer) into this horrid act, not only is he a disgrace to his uniform and country, but to the human race.


I wish the families of the victims support


User currently offlineSkySurfer From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1999 times:

Crikey!! This is quite shocking, not just for the crimes he's committed but in that it's also a Canadian Military man!!
I've been to Trenton quite a few times as i live in Kingston, 40 mins away so this is almost on my doorstep so to speak.
I hope he gets what's coming to him and my thoughts and best wishes are with those who are affected by this senseless act.

When i look into the sky and see a few F-18's passing over it'll remind me of what he did 

Stu



In the dark you can't see ugly, but you can feel fat
User currently offlinegreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3084 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1986 times:

I think this will be the beginning....He has had a lot of postings and people do not go to home invasion/sex assault to murder with out some warm up crimes first...


I will not be surprised that he is not charged with more sex assault crimes...And I will not be surprised that some of them were reported..


GS



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offlineSkySurfer From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1910 times:

It will be very interesting to see if this evil man had anything to do with the 2003, unexplained death of RMC cadet Joe Grozelle. His death has never been understood, and it turns out that our 'lovely' Colonel was at RMC at the time of Joe's death....i remember a SAR helo hovering over my work searching the woods for signs of him.

I'm still shaking my head in disbelief!

Stu



In the dark you can't see ugly, but you can feel fat
User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1862 times:

Quoting SkySurfer (Reply 4):

Apparently a few cases have been re-opened in light of his arrest.

Quoting greasespot (Reply 3):

I find it hard to believe the CFNIS was totally oblivious to his criminal activities. It's a little strange that OPP have been all over this and the CFNIS seem to be lying low.



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12476 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1855 times:

It must be a massive embarrassment to the Canadian forces; what was his background? Was he a pilot?

User currently offlineYooYoo From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 6057 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

Shocking indeed.

I really appreciate how different levels of law enforcment and the millitary worked together to arrest this high profile commander especially knowing the latter were "getting" one of their own.



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User currently offlineSkySurfer From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1839 times:

I'm just wondering how many heads are going to roll over this?! I'm sure one person or another will be made a scapegoat just for politics' sake, although i would really hope that all lessons can be learned from this and as Yoo said, it's fantastic to see so many different agencies pull together to get the data compiled and the arrest made.
'Tis a sad day indeed, but hopefully some good can come out of it (besides the arrest of the commander!).

Stu

Btw, my boss has a friend who is 'honourary' Lt. Colonel of a certain regiment here in Kingston......he was at my work today and he was saying the chief that visited CFB Kingston yesterday has never been more shook up in his life over this incident.



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User currently offlinescrubbsYWG From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 1495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1824 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 6):
Was he a pilot?

yes. at one point he was flying our gulfstreams, taking our governor general and other high end canadian gov people around.


User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1817 times:

Nice to see 'innocent until found guilty' is still in vogue. Yes, the charges are extremely serious. But his trial, let alone preliminary hearing, hasn't even started yet.


Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1807 times:

Quoting SkySurfer (Reply 8):
I'm just wondering how many heads are going to roll over this?!

There's no reason to court martial anyone else at this point.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 10):

Hence,

Quoting TheCol (Thread starter):
If found guilty



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User currently offlineRonglimeng From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1801 times:

The story is still leading the news broadcasts here in Southern Ontario this evening. Everyone is still shocked. As one of the people in an on-the-street interview said - the man is innocent until proven guilty, but the police must have a good case against him in order to lay the charges.

I'm reminded of that expression "the higher you climb the pole, the more of your ass people see". I'm surprised that such a high-profile officer would have the freedom and flexibility to behave in this terrible manner without attracting some kind of suspicion, or at least attention?

It is hard to believe this colonel could maintain a complete Jekyll and Hyde persona that would fool everybody.


User currently offlinegreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3084 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1794 times:

Sorry I'm a cop. When I charge your guilty...Sometimes the courts are not smart enough to know that is all..  


They seemed to have moved very fast so I am guessing they have a smoking gun. Plus the second body was found after "interviewing the guy" and then he was arrested. I will bet he gave up the location of her at that time.


gs



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offlinescrubbsYWG From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 1495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

my earlier post said gulfstreams, but should have been challengers.

User currently offlineSkySurfer From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1759 times:

Quoting greasespot (Reply 13):
They seemed to have moved very fast so I am guessing they have a smoking gun. Plus the second body was found after "interviewing the guy" and then he was arrested.

Although i agree with 'The Col', Greasespot (sorry, i don't know your names), has a point! They wouldn't arrest someone unless they had reasonable doubt, and i'm willing to put my neck on the line that they definately wouldn't arrest someone with such a high stature as a military commander UNLESS they had very reasonable cause! The commander deifnately is innocent until proven guilty in court, but they wouldn't arrest him unless they had a case building on him! Before anyone says 'well, the same applies to every citizen', think a bout it. This is a military man, a government employee so to speak......evidence would have to stick like teflon BEFORE anyone even thought about bringing him into custody. I'm not saying he's guilty, but i am saying the authorities know a hell of alot more than they're letting on to the general public.

IF he is innocent, then i hope they catch the person responsible
IF it turns out he's guilty....then i hope every question asked, not just of him but to everyone that had dealings with his personal life...are answered...and i hope he never see's freedom again for the heinous crimes he MAY have committed.

In no way am i being judgmental here.....i'm seeing both sides but the evidence might be stacking up against him. The big question i want to know is.....IF he does plead guilty, and that's a big IF....was he responsible for Joe Grozelles Death?

Stu



In the dark you can't see ugly, but you can feel fat
User currently offlineSkySurfer From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1758 times:

Oh i'm sorry, i forgot to add....when i mentioned about heads rolling, i was just thinking about who knew about his previous 'ambitions' either directly or indirectly. Maybe nobody did, maybe somebody knew he was a wildcat, i was just trying to make a point in that i'm sure somebody is going to be made a scapegoat for this. Either the Belleville police, someone in the military police or someone else! I'm hoping not, but this will turn political before we know it and someone's head will roll.........i don't want to argue, we don't know nearly enough and we're all speculating but that is where i stand and i hope this all gets resolved soon.

Cheers



In the dark you can't see ugly, but you can feel fat
User currently offlinebjcc From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 327 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1704 times:

The status someone holds, counts for a big fat nothing. If there's evidence he gets nicked, simple as that.
Sorry, don't see what the fuss over the rank and position he holds is all about. It's irrelevant. He's not the first high ranking member of an armed force to be arrested and charged, he wont be the last.


User currently offlineA346Dude From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1284 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1690 times:

Quoting bjcc (Reply 17):
Sorry, don't see what the fuss over the rank and position he holds is all about. It's irrelevant.

It's relevant because it is interesting that someone was able to climb so high without being exposed until now. A real life "Dexter" if you will.



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User currently offlinebjcc From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 327 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1683 times:

If he was the first, or was likely to be the last you'd have a point. He's neither. And his ability to climb the food chain has no relevance to it, and is no more relevant to what he obviously classes as a hobby as an ability to make plastic models.
At the moment, he's a person on remand for murder, nothing else. If he's convicted, then he will be convicted and sentenced in the same way as anyone else would be for that offence. Again, his status prior to arrest has no baring on it, so it's utterly irrelevant.
History is littered with the likes of him.


User currently offlineYooYoo From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 6057 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1678 times:

Quoting A346Dude (Reply 18):
A real life "Dexter" if you will.

But Dexter is a good guy.  



I am so smart, i am so smart... S-M-R-T... i mean S-M-A-R-T
User currently offlineRonglimeng From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1660 times:

Quoting bjcc (Reply 19):
If he's convicted, then he will be convicted and sentenced in the same way as anyone else would be for that offence

bjcc, I think you are missing the point that some people here are trying to make.

In Canada, everyone is equal in the eyes of the law (well..lll, more or less, anyway!). There's very little question or concern that this person will get preferential treatment. That's not the point.

The part that people don't understand is how an officer in the air force, obviously on the fast track, who would have been subject to so much scrutiny when he joined up, everytime he faced a promotion board, and who is under continuous review his performance, could apparently be so successful at leading such a double life?

The question that is being asked is "Where there any warning signs that were missed during this officer's rapid rise to where he was?"


User currently offlineSkySurfer From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1639 times:

bjcc,

This isn't the UK...this is Canada! We're not naiive to things like this, we also don't expect it because it's completely out of line with what we're used to. You can argue that this is just another person committing a crime, but this man held a respected position, and a position of trust and stature. Are you telling me that you wouldn't be shocked if Gordon Brown or Tony Blair was arrested for the same crime? You just don't expect it to happen, that's why everyone here is in disbelief! This isn't liverpool or London my friend, where people get stabbed so often that people get numb to it.....this is Canada and unless you live here and know this country then i suggest you think more carefully before you comment on affairs in other parts of the world. This country has its fair share of crime, but nothing like the UK experiences, and cetainly not from someone with such a stature as a base commander, who is basically a government employee.
History might well be littered with 'people like him', but there are no wars in Canada and no need to go out and satisfy your urges by murdering people for some kind of sadistic gratification....so if you are 'pissed off' by this thread then get your arse over here and tell it to Canadian people or even better, to the people that repected and trusted this man.....i am sure they would love to hear from you. Otherwise, i suggest you think before you speak as Canada is nothing like the UK, and this is a complete shock to us BASED ON HIS STATUS! No wonder i left the UK....all the knifings, stabbings, idiotic people with nothing better to say other than 'f**k you and no-one hardly smiling anymore.

Not so happy Cheers from Canada

Stu



In the dark you can't see ugly, but you can feel fat
User currently offlinebjcc From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 327 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1624 times:

My father was an investigator in the RAF Police for 30 years. He investigated crime committed by servicemen. I spent nearly 20 years in a Civilian Police force, and also investigated crime. I've seen and experienced therefore crime committed by people of equal and higher rank/status than this chappie.
One of the first things you learn, in any police service is that crime, is cross 'class'. It's not just yobs, kids, the poor or those in manual jobs that do it, it stretches all the way up the tree. All occupations, from Politicians to Service Officers to Police Officers, will have a proportion of them who commit criminal acts. Some get caught, some don't, but it happens. That always seems to come as a shock to the public in whatever country they happen to be in.
It matters not what rank or status in what organisation someone works, they all have personal freedom, outside working hours, during which time they are free to pursue any activity they like, if that includes murder, it is no more obvious in working hours than cross dressing.
Those that are shocked that any vetting, or testing during his Military career didn't pick up on his activity, are deluded and expecting too much from a system which has never been designed to pick up on that sort of thing. Even where it is designed to do that, it's fallible, because it involves humans.
I understand the shock at the severity of the crime, but not the fact that it was committed by Senior Military Officer. It would be a fair bet that he is not the only senior Canadian, or officer of high rank in any Country that has committed a serious and shocking crime.


User currently offlineSkySurfer From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1516 times:

I saw another poster tonight of another Belleville girl that's been missing since late January.......It might be a knee jerk reaction to what has gone on, but it might turn out to be ugly. Female, 27, 140lbs.....this is almost carbon copy of the Jessica situation. Lets hope this lady is safe and sound and not in a field somewhere.

Stu



In the dark you can't see ugly, but you can feel fat
25 scrubbsYWG : reports are saying they have found 'momentos' from women like underwear and stuff in his house, and that he actually led police to the body of one of
26 Post contains links and images YVRLTN : This article says he confessed... http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/100210/canada/canada_murder_police He flew the Challengers, so was responsible for to
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