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Yulia Tymoshenko - Ukraine's Sore Loser  
User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7688 posts, RR: 21
Posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3478 times:
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The elections in the Ukraine have been comprehensively observed by international independent observers and declared free, fair and totally legitimate. In spite of this, she still alleges fraud and refuses to give in.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8514517.stm

The people have spoken, Tymoshenko. Give up.


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User currently offlinenewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3456 times:

She's really sounded like a whining kid the past week. Pathetic.

Bitches be crazy.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7688 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3444 times:
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Quoting newark777 (Reply 1):
She's really sounded like a whining kid the past week. Pathetic.

Quite right. Problem is, because of what happened the last time people may believe her.



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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3435 times:

Quoting newark777 (Reply 1):


Bitches be crazy.

You say that, but upon further investigation:



I'd hit it. (then promptly quit it) 


User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3427 times:

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 3):
I'd hit it. (then promptly quit it)

Good idea - her eyes are dead, like a black widow spider.



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User currently offlineFabo From Slovakia, joined Aug 2005, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
The elections in the Ukraine have been comprehensively observed by international independent observers and declared free, fair and totally legitimate. In spite of this, she still alleges fraud and refuses to give in.

I am sorry, but is this any news? I would expect that from her.



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User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3367 times:

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 3):
I'd hit it. (then promptly quit it) 

Her daughter es 3X better



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User currently offlinenewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3366 times:

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 3):
I'd hit it. (then promptly quit it)

Those are usually the craziest ones.  



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2038 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3328 times:

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 6):



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3300 times:

The citizens of Ukraine remains deeply split, even though the top Ukrainian politicians keep speaking about a single people and a single country, this very close election has shown that there are - in reality - two very different countries. One tied to Russian customs, politics, and culture, and another highly independent minded viewpoint.


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7688 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3285 times:
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Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 9):
The citizens of Ukraine remains deeply split, even though the top Ukrainian politicians keep speaking about a single people and a single country, this very close election has shown that there are - in reality - two very different countries. One tied to Russian customs, politics, and culture, and another highly independent minded viewpoint.

That is certainly true. However, in the past the balance has swung to the west, now it has swung to the east. Either way, given the level of scrutiny this election has been subject to, she needs to be quiet and accept the result for the good of the country.



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User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1937 posts, RR: 32
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3267 times:

Quoting newark777 (Reply 1):

Bitches be crazy.

Way to make generalizations about all women! And anyway, I don't blame her for digging in her feet when you see what she's up against.

Take the actual winner, Yanukovych, he is sort of Ukraine's George Bush, can't really speak a sentence, or spell, propped up by big business oligarchs. But actually there's more: not only was he jailed twice for violent crimes in the past (once apparently including rape), he also falsified documents, forged the signature of a judge, and committed electoral fraud in 2006 and tried to violently crush protesters who pointed this out. Can you blame Tymoshenko for being skeptical that he will allow free elections in the future, etc.?

[Edited 2010-02-13 17:17:24]


It's people like you what cause unrest!
User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7688 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3256 times:
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Quoting N229NW (Reply 11):
Take the actual winner, Yanukovych, he is sort of Ukraine's George Bush, can't really speak a sentence, or spell, propped up by big business oligarchs. But actually there's more: not only was jailed twice for violent crimes in the past (once apparently including rape), he also committed electoral fraud in 2006 and tried to violently crush protesters who pointed this out. Can you blame Tymoshenko for being skeptical that he will allow free elections in the future, etc.?

The elections have been verified as fair and democratic. She can be as skeptical as she likes, it won't change that fact.



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User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1937 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3252 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 12):
The elections have been verified as fair and democratic.

I don't doubt that really in this case. But I still am amazed at people's lack of long-term thought in politics, like when the US elected Bush (twice), or the Israelis Sharon, or the Palestinians Hamas, or the Venezuelans Chavez. It just seems that people love to shoot themselves in the foot.



It's people like you what cause unrest!
User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3228 times:

Quoting TheCol (Reply 8):
Quoting 757MDE (Reply 6):

Here you go:




http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9288/665small2xa.jpg






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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

Since past elections, I have come to distrust election observers of any kind, as I feel they can be bought for the right price, just as politicians can be bought. Call me a pessimist or a fool, but that's how I feel about election observers today.

That being said, Tymoshenko should stop being a sore loser and just admit defeat. All she'll do is just make a fool out of herself in the international scene, and maybe even make the Ukraine lose credibility in case a judge rules in her favour for some reason.


User currently offlinetk747 From Australia, joined Sep 2009, 339 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3140 times:

Tymoshenko and Yushenko pretty much ruined the whole country according to my family in Ukraine (Who were pro orange revolution and now regretting that it ever happened).

Through mass privatisation and the selling off of state resources she along with Yushenko have pretty much destroyed the Ukrainian economy. Naturally people want to go back to happier times hence this election result.

Tymoshenko needs to stop whining and move on


User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2038 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3125 times:

Quoting N229NW (Reply 13):

  

I doubt things would be much better under the "Man of Moscow". I wouldn't trust any of Putin's friends farther than I could throw them.

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 14):

Well, that would have bought my vote.  



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User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3121 times:

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 14):

Wait...is this turning into a 'would you hit it thread...?'

I'd hit that BTW..   



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User currently offlineTu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1163 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3060 times:

I cant use the quote function on my mobile, so this is a blanket reply to anti yanukovich posts. What is wrong with him being pro-russia? Russia is by far Ukraine's largest trading partner. Even Timoshenko turned more toward Russia recently. Only thick-headed Yushenko kept pissing Russia off. Look where it got Ukraine- they are poorer, their unemployment rose, they are worse off than before him. Picture Canada pissing off the US, establishing close ties with Russia, close military cooperation. Stupid, eh?


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User currently offlinetk747 From Australia, joined Sep 2009, 339 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3045 times:

Quoting Tu204 (Reply 19):

Exactly! And the majority of Ukrainians feel close to Russia and want closer ties, although this is never reported in the Western media.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7688 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3009 times:
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Quoting N229NW (Reply 13):
I don't doubt that really in this case. But I still am amazed at people's lack of long-term thought in politics, like when the US elected Bush (twice), or the Israelis Sharon, or the Palestinians Hamas, or the Venezuelans Chavez. It just seems that people love to shoot themselves in the foot.

Ukraine has really suffered over the last few years. It is natural that many people will be wanting to vote for the next viable alternative. Closer ties with Russia could actually bring some much-needed and pretty swift improvements.



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User currently offlinetk747 From Australia, joined Sep 2009, 339 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 14):

There is much hotter Ukrainian girls than this 


User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2038 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2904 times:

Quoting Tu204 (Reply 19):
Russia is by far Ukraine's largest trading partner. Even Timoshenko turned more toward Russia recently.

There's a big difference between being a trading partner and a proxy.

Quoting Tu204 (Reply 19):
Picture Canada pissing off the US, establishing close ties with Russia, close military cooperation. Stupid, eh?

Only a fool would agree to a military pact with Russia.

Quoting Tu204 (Reply 19):
Only thick-headed Yushenko kept pissing Russia off.

That isn't a difficult thing to do. If the Ukraine doesn't tow the line, Russia will make them regret it. Even more reason to join NATO.

Bottom line: the Ukraine can't have their cake and eat it too. The West may welcome that kind of cooperation, but Russia expects them to bow to the "motherland".



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7688 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2895 times:
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Quoting TheCol (Reply 23):
That isn't a difficult thing to do. If the Ukraine doesn't tow the line, Russia will make them regret it. Even more reason to join NATO.

Bottom line: the Ukraine can't have their cake and eat it too. The West may welcome that kind of cooperation, but Russia expects them to bow to the "motherland".

That's mighty simplistic. Believe it or not, Russia does not want a 'proxy' in the Ukraine, just an ally and a government willing to cooperate rather than antagonise. Please try not to swallow too much propoganda and spin from either side of the extremes of argument.



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25 757MDE : Undoubtedly... but I'd still hit it. ------ On the topic, it may be true the orange revolution may not have turned as expected, but rigged or not, th
26 TheCol : Russia's definition of "ally" differs from that of the West. It's similar to Bush's defunct "with us or against us" policy, but Putin tends to follow
27 tk747 : Yushenko got 4 or 5% of the vote, he was most Anti Russia and was clearly rejected by the majority of Ukrainians. Tymoshenko received a greater perce
28 L410Turbolet : Improvements like in a Belarus? In terms of freedoms and polictical rights, in particular? You can't think of any country tied closer to Russia than
29 Tu204 : Replying to TheCol. Only a fool would join a military pact with NATO when you DEPEND on the country that NATO is against. Yushenko's election results
30 TheCol : A. When Putin plays nice, NATO's current form will cease to exist. B. The Ukraine isn't a Russian proxy. C. Given the way Putin treats his "friends",
31 RussianJet : Belarus is notionally close to Russia of course, but Russia does not decide how far Lukashenko chooses to screw the country up. The Russian influence
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