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Why Should I Care About Haiti?  
User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7162 times:
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Simple as that. Why should I care? We have our own people in America that are starving and homeless. Why don't we take care of our own before we pour money into another country? I hate seeing my tax dollars go to humanitarian aid to people who aren't American. I travel the world extensively, and spend a lot of time in Africa. I have come to the conclusion that some of us are just not meant to live. I know that most of you will find that last statement barbaric, but until you see dead babies in the streets of N'Djamena, or wild dogs eating the carcass of a man in Brazzaville, then you really can't relate to the things that I have seen. If we took care of our own properly, then I wouldn't be so upset. My rant was inspired by the new "We Are The World" mix that has been released, mainly because it is terrible

[Edited 2010-02-13 18:26:52]


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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8412 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7125 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
you really can't relate to the things that I have seen

So? Why not appreciate the fact that life is pretty good in America, compared to Africa and Haiti. So, it behooves us to consider how we can assist them with their horrible problems. They make $400 a year while we make $45,000 every man woman and child. Some of us don't make that much salary, but our society does produce that much. Should we not share a little...

If anything, it sounds like you have seen horrible things that have rotted your mind and made you give up. Sorry but you wanted our reactions to your views; that's my reaction.

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
My rant was inspired by the new "We Are The World" mix that has been released, mainly because it is terrible

Agree 100%. It was unimaginative and ridiculous.


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7106 times:
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Quoting Flighty (Reply 1):
So? Why not appreciate the fact that life is pretty good in America, compared to Africa and Haiti. So, it behooves us to consider how we can assist them with their horrible problems. They make $400 a year while we make $45,000 every man woman and child. Some of us don't make that much salary, but our society does produce that much. Should we not share a little...

I have no problem with helping out your fellow man. I just don't understand why we don't put our money towards to helping out or own before taking care of others



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6574 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7105 times:
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Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
We have our own people in America that are starving and homeless. Why don't we take care of our own before we pour money into another country?

Because taking "care" of our own would make us a socialist country. The slight mention on taking care of others would brandish you as as pinko-communist lover.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7085 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
I hate seeing my tax dollars go to humanitarian aid to people who aren't American. I travel the world extensively, and spend a lot of time in Africa. I have come to the conclusion that some of us are just not meant to live. I know that most of you will find that last statement barbaric, but until you see dead babies in the streets of N'Djamena, or wild dogs eating the carcass of a man in Brazzaville, then you really can't relate to the things that I have seen. If we took care of our own properly, then I wouldn't be so upset. My rant was inspired by the new "We Are The World" mix that has been released, mainly because it is terrible

You have to be kidding, this is sad that would you think this not to mention post this. Go get some professional help.


User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7079 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
the new "We Are The World" mix

Oh..the way they butchered that song..nothing beats the original though.

I agree with some things you say...its similar to the aid that poured in after the 2004 tsunami..it was almost like a competition among the different 'wealthy' countries. Its the same case here. The US and other 'developed' countries are just expected to give. Just the other day, I received a pamphlet from some organization that was involved with sponsoring disadvantaged Australian children. We have our own problems, but I guess our problems are minor compared to what these people are going through..imagine waking up one day and having nothing, your house is a pile of rubble and your family is dead or missing. I guess its just human nature to help others.

That said..Haiti has a long standing history of corruption, disease, and poverty. Countries like Haiti are of no benefit to the world community. This sounds cruel, I know but that's reality.



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8412 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7073 times:

Another thing is, maybe I like people from Haiti more than I like people in say, Maryland. My family does not live in Maryland, so why should I prefer an American over a Haitian? They are both from outside my town. Who cares about anybody outside my town?

The better answer I have for you is, we contribute far less than Europe does to poor countries. And, we DO take care of our people, with free education, mostly free health care, housing programs, food assistance and other programs. Americans have it good. But, I question why we need to only care about people inside some national border. Maybe I don't care about our country. Countries come and they go. The USA will probably stick around, but it's very possible America will collapse and my town will be ruled by a wonderful king named Lancelot. I really don't worship America, it's just something that works well for the moment.

How about this, why not make Haiti the 51st state. Then we can take care of Americans and suddenly you'll care about them, right?


User currently offlinePhotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2719 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7063 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
Why should I care? We have our own people in America that are starving and homeless.


Hmmmm.... American society hasn't done too good a job at eliminating poverty, starvation and homelessness IN the USA either, has it? How many years has it been and you STILL have homeless after Katrina. How many Americans still don't have health insurance? How many drug addicts are there in the USA? How many illiterate?
I can certainly understand why you have the idea that others don't deserve your help. You've demonstrated that quite well on the domestic front. Heaven forbid you take a wider perspective.

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
I have come to the conclusion that some of us are just not meant to live.


I'm quite sure Hitler, Idi Amin, Sadam, all had similar ideas. Likewise, thanks for confirming also that some seem to have come from the shallow end of the gene pool.

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
you really can't relate to the things that I have seen.


How presumptuous that you seem to think we haven't seen our share of horrors in the world. Thankfully, most of us aren't so jaded nor cold that we can't still feel the humanity of those less fortunate than ourselves. When the first one dies in your arms, it hurts. When the 2nd, it hurts less, and so on. But perhaps the greatest hurt and tragedy is when you no longer feel the pain.


User currently offlineswiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7043 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
Simple as that. Why should I care?
Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 2):
I have no problem with helping out your fellow man. I just don't understand why we don't put our money towards to helping out or own before taking care of others

No worries. Could you just give all this back please?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...onal_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7035 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
Why don't we take care of our own before we pour money into another country?

Because if everyone would only care about themselves, every time we have a tragedy we would be on our own. Why did people give money for 9/11? why did people help in the aftermath of Katrina? You make it a country issue, but individualism can also happen within the country.

I prefer the US (or any other country) spending tax money on helping out rather than see thousands of billions beiong spent on wars.



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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7026 times:
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Quoting Photopilot (Reply 9):
Hmmmm.... American society hasn't done too good a job at eliminating poverty, starvation and homelessness IN the USA either, has it? How many years has it been and you STILL have homeless after Katrina.



That is exactly why in my original post I said that we should be taking care of our own problems before we help the rest of the world.

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 9):
But perhaps the greatest hurt and tragedy is when you no longer feel the pain.



When you see it enough times it starts to lose it's meaning, and you begin to not care.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 7):
How about this, why not make Haiti the 51st state. Then we can take care of Americans and suddenly you'll care about them, right?



We already have Detroit, East St. Louis, and New Jersey. They are all bigger shit holes than Haiti

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 9):

I'm quite sure Hitler, Idi Amin, Sadam, all had similar ideas. Likewise, thanks for confirming also that some seem to have come from the shallow end of the gene pool.



There is a logic behind that conclusion. As a human race we have become so advanced that we have managed to fend of many forms of death. Things that would have killed us 200 years ago are now an afterthought, but as far as we have come, we still cannot control nature. Thus, there are uncontrollable things that happen, and when they do, some of us aren't going to live. Darwin taught us of natural selection, and I firmly believe that the strongest amongst us survive, thus, some of us are not meant to live. The gazelle with a wound leg doesn't live a long and fruitful life on the Kenya plains does it? No, it gets targeted by the lion, and is made into a quick meal. The same applies to humans

[Edited 2010-02-13 18:46:50]


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User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5490 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7010 times:

Quoting swiftski (Reply 10):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...trina

Never saw that before, thanks for the link.


User currently offlineSkySurfer From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6989 times:

Whilst i see what you are saying AirTran, i also respectfully disagree. Yes i agree that each country has its own problems to deal with and each country has its own shortcomings when it comes to disasters on its own soil. Wy pump money into another country's problem when there are problems at home? Why Help people abroad when people at home need helping? These questions can be asked firmly and honestly but it comes down to a few reasons....

Humanity. Most of us feel sympathy and a need to help those less fortunate. Whilst most of us North Americans (i'm English btw but live in Canada) feel like we're having a hard time right now, compared to what other countries are going through we are having a disco! Haiti is impoverished, and it's very close so it's a natural response to want to help those in need. We don't have to, but we CHOOSE to because it's human nature (hopefully still) to have compassion to other human beings.

Betterment. Whilst it isn't evident, a a lot of people strive to better themselves either through employment, religion, personal beliefs. If that means that they care about what goes on in an environment other than their immediate one then so be it...they are looking after others and in a way making themselves feel better....which leads to...

Compassion. Caring and sympathizing about other human beings and realizing that those is a better position can possibly make a small difference for the good in the lives of those less fortunate.

You could argue that Haiti never tried to get itself out of the position it found itself in, you could argue it tried to.....but right now the main focus should be forgetting what problems 'WE' have domestically (country wise) and trying to follow human instinct to help others and do good.

AirTran....IF the USA was attacked full-on or suffered a devastating natural disaster, would you feel rosy if no-one came to your aid because of your way of thinking? Just a thought.

I hope my post made sense, it's getting late and i felt like i had to respond ito this thread.

Cheers

Stu



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User currently offlineBAKJet From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 743 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6989 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
We have our own people in America that are starving and homeless

But the starving and homeless in America did not just experience a devestating earthquake.

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
I have come to the conclusion that some of us are just not meant to live. I know that most of you will find that last statement barbaric,

I find that statement barbaric because it is barbaric.

I'm am blessed to be able to live the life I do and, since you indicated that you travel often, I assume you are too. Because of this, it is my belief that we should share what we have with our fellow humans who have not been as fortunate as us.


User currently offlineajd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6985 times:

How much tax do you ACTUALLY pay? If you paid... A million USD in income tax then I could understand if all that was donated against your will. But, i will bet your bottom dollar you don't pay that much in tax. Have more faith in your fellow man. I'm sure if you were a starving kid in Darfur or raising a family of 12 kids as the eldest child in some war torn country because your parents died of HIV, you'd be glad of the help. You probably earn what these kids in Africa and Haiti can't even imagine seeing.

There are people everywhere who are less fortunate than others. It's a fact of life. Do you think people like Bill Gates with his billion dollar empire sleeps uneasily at night? No, because he gives to charity. Tax is a charity you can't get out of. If you don't pay tax, you have no right to bitch about anything because you don't pay for it, and Mr. and Mrs. IRS will come and haul you off to jail.

Ok, I'm 17. I don't pay income tax, council tax, poll tax, National Insurance tax, but then again, I don't work. If you have a disposable income (unlike me, might I add because I don't have one), don't be such a tight arse and give a little of it away. You might sleep a little better at night. I don't like how my local area is, but I don't go claiming it's worse than an earthquake hit hell hole in the Caribbean. It's certainly nicer than there. Still a shithole, but that's subjective.

Also, I will bet you Haiti and Africa are far worse than Detroit, New Jersey and East St. Louis. You don't see Africa holding a concert for Detroit do you?

  Problems don't go away if you ignore them. In the back of your mind there are still people starving to death even if you're not thinking about them.


User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6574 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6983 times:
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Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 12):
There is a logic behind that conclusion. As a human race we have become so advanced that we have managed to fend of many forms of death. Things that would have killed us 200 years ago are now an afterthought, but as far as we have come, we still cannot control nature. Thus, there are uncontrollable things that happen, and when they do, some of us aren't going to live. Darwin taught us of natural selection, and I firmly believe that the strongest amongst us survive, thus, some of us are not meant to live. The gazelle with a wound leg doesn't live a long and fruitful life on the Kenya plains does it? No, it gets targeted by the lion, and is made into a quick meal. The same applies to humans

So why even help "our own" then? Our own are not meant to survive either. Why does your first post talk about helping ?

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
We have our own people in America that are starving and homeless

Let them starve and freeze. Thats what Darwin taught you.



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User currently offlineSkySurfer From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6979 times:

I forgot to add.....

You mentioned about wild dogs and dead babies.....but that's not a natural disaster that CAN'T be prevented! The governments can try and prevent that, but you cannot prevent an earthquake or a hurricane or a Tsunami etc. Zimbabwe people are starving, but you know who to blame that on.....it can be prevented with effort but only if it's asked for, but most of the time it's the powers that be that are causing it.

Stu



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39706 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6890 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
We have our own people in America that are starving and homeless. Why don't we take care of our own before we pour money into another country? I hate seeing my tax dollars go to humanitarian aid to people who aren't American.

Aren't you the same guy that was adamantly against the proposed health-care plan?
So much for your concern about helping your fellow American.  



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User currently offlinemdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6884 times:

Have you considered the many homeless here in the US that remain that way because they actually prefer it? I've come across a fair share of homeless patients, and many of them tell me they would rather be on the street than be in the shelter system. To a certain degree, they are homeless by their choosing. The resources are there for them if they choose it.

The poor and homeless in every country exist for a multitude of reasons, but not as a result of a natural disaster which took everything away from them in a matter of seconds.



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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6879 times:

Just in case the ***OP isn't aware of it already...



[Edited 2010-02-13 20:21:56]

User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6854 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 12):
We already have Detroit, East St. Louis, and New Jersey. They are all bigger shit holes than Haiti
http://www.arrakeen.ch/usaaug98/106%20%20view%20to%20East%20St.Louis.JPG


Hmmm....

http://media.ft.com/cms/e50cbb40-0027-11df-8626-00144feabdc0.jpg
http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/gallery/100112/GAL-10Jan12-3542/media/PHO-10Jan12-198344.jpg

I'll let the pictures do the talking.


User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6841 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 12):
We already have Detroit, East St. Louis, and New Jersey. They are all bigger shit holes than Haiti

Seriously dude. As if your original post wasn't horrific enough. You just lost any chance at credibility. You claim to have travelled the world extensively but you'd compare these places to Haiti? Troubled.


User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6839 times:

I think the OP poses a reasonable question, and provides good reasons why he has come to that his conclusions.

There are several reasons mentioned as to why we should help Haiti - humanitarian, political, and America's own perception of its role in the world as a great power. Americans are frustrated, however, that there is little appreciation for these acts of kindness. For all the help and aid distributed around the world, the goodwill generated in return has been minuscule.

The first reason, Humanitarian, is an extension of basic human feelings of compassion and altruism. However, if you indeed have been to Darfur, you can just throw up your hands in despair and say let charity begin at home. I think Americans still find it hard to stand by when bad things happen, and the will of the people is such that we will still end up helping in places such as Haiti.

The other argument, about needlessly extending the lives of those that are unable to thrive is a good question. Every time you feed a starving girl in Sudan, she will grow up to be a mother of several more starving children. When does it end? China adopted a one child policy succesfully. India tried that but the people did not allow that for long. So the question becomes, should you indeed feed that starving child?

The rational answer is No. Nature is merciless, and Humans are perfected from eons of heartless evolution. We have however stopped the evolutionary clock, and no longer weed out the weaker amongst us. In America too, the well to do procreate reluctantly, and the gene pool is dominated by those that have the most children - again, the poor.

Don't forget that Darwin was more about diversity, a precursor to selection. It's not the best genes that win, but the best mutations that win.

As for Hitler and Eugenics, it's hard to argue against it from a rational point of view. However, our humanist genes reject his doctrine. Somehow our brains have evolved to where we feel good about helping our weaker brethren, so there must be a good evolutionary reason for that.


Don't flame the OP - these are good questions.


User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6779 times:

Just from a journalistic point of view the whole Haiti thing has passed me by. I get any update on the situation through colleagues at work.

The trouble is that I know no one who's been there, I have never had plans to go there and I know too little about the place. I find it very hard to emotionally connect with their loss.

In comparison I chase up all information about any seismic activity, of whatever magnitude, in Japan. A country I like and have been to.


User currently offlinecws818 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1176 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6774 times:

Quoting TheCol (Reply 31):

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
I have come to the conclusion that some of us are just not meant to live.

Who are we to play God?

More to the point, who is he (AirTran737) to play God?



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25 CanadianDC10 : No one said you HAD to care about Haiti. Okay, then go help those in your country who need you instead if that is your point. No one cares what you ch
26 Springbok747 : One question to all the people here who are criticizing the OP.... Did you give one iota of a s*it about Haiti until this earthquake hit?
27 Post contains images Pellegrine : How disgusting. Some people actually care about others and will give of themselves expecting nothing in return. Some people don't care about anyone bu
28 RussianJet : Yes. I care about all people in poverty. I was aware of Haiti, have given to charities involved there and many other places. Could I have done more?
29 Springbok747 : Good for you..but I still think... Billions of dollars will flood into Haiti from this crisis. Most of it will go into corrupt politicians' pockets..
30 TheCol : Our Governor General was a Haitian refugee. She has brought a lot of national attention to Haiti, long before the earthquake. Per person, Canada and
31 BO__einG : Despite the fact that the assistance to that country has costed a ton of money that could of been used elsewhere, IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO! Haiti i
32 Pellegrine : I have a problem with "most". And just because horrible corruption exists, does that mean people should not give of themselves? I'm sorry? You said m
33 RJ111 : What happened in Haiti did not discriminate between the strong and the weak and had nothing to do with genetics or evolution. I agree, it's important
34 Tu204 : I partially agree with the oiginal poster. I believe that there should be an international response to any large NATURAL DISASTERS be it in Haiti, Rus
35 EZEIZA : but with that mentality "your own" problems are what happen in your house, not your country. If your house gets flooded or whatever and you need assi
36 seb146 : We do try to take care of our own. But, some people get in the way and say we should not because that type of care would just be used for drugs and a
37 Post contains images OA260 : Yep might be a good thing. Take all your troops back home and other ''help'' that you are giving abroad and save yourself Billions $$$ Might save a f
38 Aaron747 : Gee, I don't know, because we're all on this rock together? Rich or poor, east or west, a mother's anguish is the same. And what, exactly, do you wis
39 NIKV69 : What a foolish question, just because we don't go around bemoaning the fate of the poor of the world doesn't mean one should show a little respect fo
40 Airport : I don't get this phrase... So say your house is on fire, and the fire department isn't getting there quick enough. You need the assistance of neighbor
41 Airport : That logic doesn't really apply in this case. It doesn't matter how much people cared about Haiti before the earthquake, because the earthquake signi
42 MoltenRock : It's called Compassion Fatigue Syndrome or Secondary Traumatic Stress Disorder, and you should look into it as it's a red flag indicator doctors, nur
43 Post contains links and images Mortyman : Charity single for Haiti by a sellection of Norwegian artists: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2jQ-i3MhxY It's in Norwegian but it's a nice melody and
44 chrisair : Best. Post. Ever.
45 ajd1992 : Or not. Ok, so there's gun violence and murder and all the other things, but it is not a 3rd world nation hit by an earthquake without the funds to g
46 KiwiinOz : I think it's a question of your perspective of, "our own people". In terms of "humanity" I see it as just that. Bound by the common human species. Na
47 KCMike : with all the money were pumping in to Haiti (which I believe we should help as long as we have the means to do so) we should just make it our 51st sta
48 Elite : Heard that one before... $1 billion to Israel per year, plus much more indirect aid... then there's Taiwan, then Puerto Rico... But seriously - much
49 Post contains images EZEIZA : 53rd, because by now, Afghanistan and Iraq should be in the list too
50 comorin : Pellegrine, I have to assume that the OP posed the questions in good faith, rather than out of heartlessness. This is why I tried to answer his quest
51 AM744 : Let's not forget that, from a very pragmatic POV, it's a good idea to help people not doing too good, for they could become a problem to your own saf
52 cytz_pilot : I understand what the OP is asking, although in fairness, wording it as "Why does everyone care about Haiti so much?" probably would not have turned t
53 AAORY : Because they are human and they need our help. Simple as that.
54 Post contains links chrisair : Have you ever been to New Jersey? Let's see...there's Sewark, Patterson, Jersey City, Camden, Atlantic City. Oh and who could forget Passaic? Having
55 EZEIZA : you are comparing a couple of blocks of a couple of neighbourhoods with an entire country, devastated before the quake, and flattened after. Did you
56 chrisair : Actually, I wasn't comparing anything to anything. I was merely pointing out that Airport didn't necessarily post accurate photos of Detroit, New Jer
57 ajd1992 : Not specifically no, it's not really a tourist destination but it's not the same as a 3rd world impoverished nation. I've been to some real rough are
58 Post contains images AutothrustBlue : How is posting one picture of Camden an accurate representation of the rest of NJ? Meadowlands, Princeton, Newark from top to bottom These photos, yo
59 Flighty : On a tangent I would also suggest Iraq was devastated by the United States directly. Before helping Haiti, we have a unique responsibility to fully re
60 Post contains images kingFriday013 : First two are Detroit and St. Louis... the rest is New Jersey? On a more serious note, the devastation in Haiti is truly terrible. However, I saw a U
61 DanVS : It's too naive to think that the USA is helping Haiti exclusively out of humanitarian reasons. No country in the world helps another because they are
62 Post contains images comorin : Agreed 100%. We got hit on 9/11 and struck out in rage at the nearest target. It's not discussed because that would be deemed unpatriotic. Back to Ha
63 luckyone : And the original was an exercise in narcissism to begin with. Which reminds me of the idiotic Dutch (I think) politician/mercenary saying the West wa
64 ajd1992 : Usually it runs like the farm needs hands to run it, pop out 10 kids because a few might die, then they have farm hands. Not hard to work out. I lear
65 EZEIZA : but they are misleading. The fact that there are "good" pictueres of those cities already tells us the difference with Haiti.[Edited 2010-02-17 15:07
66 lukeyboy95 : hmmm quite a contaversial post indeed... I think the attitude is one of selfishness that the OP has - but still think its a little way of Idi Amin and
67 Flighty : True and false. France did desecrate Haiti by demanding war reparations. However, Haiti would be very well off today if they had somehow become part
68 Pellegrine : You know what? It is only an emotional thing for me because I have known many Haitians and have been cognizant of their plight for many, many years b
69 GDB : Well apart from the moral element, it might help if you actually bothered to try and find out how Haiti was so much more affected by this sort of disa
70 MD11Engineer : The problem was that back in the early 19th century France´s ideas about Haiti was the return of the white plantation owners with their black slaves
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