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User currently offlineAF340 From Canada, joined Jul 2007, 2786 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1498 times:

Well in an interesting turn of events, the Australian Mens Mogul Team is preparing a challenge to the historic gold medal win by Canada's Alex Bilodeau in last night's final. The coach of the Canadian born and trained Dale Begg-Smith who now represents Australia claims that Bilodeau's two highest scores were just that -- too high.


http://www.torontosun.com/sports/van...2010/news/2010/02/15/12887346.html



Personally, I thought Bilodeau's run was fantastic, suck it up Australia. Don't be sore losers.

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User currently offlineAutothrustBlue From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1469 times:

One person of a country being a sore loser doesn't mean everybody of that country is a sore loser  

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User currently offlineAF340 From Canada, joined Jul 2007, 2786 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1466 times:

Quoting AutothrustBlue (Reply 1):
One person of a country being a sore loser doesn't mean everybody of that country is a sore loser

Of course, I just mean their Moguls contingent


User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1438 times:

Quoting AF340 (Reply 2):
Of course, I just mean their Moguls contingent

Remember Jamie Sale and David Pelletier? Or, when the Koreans didn't agree that one of their short track skaters deserved to get a penalty against Apollo Ono losing the gold? This happens from time to time in the Olympics. I think part of it is that some sports are "judged" rather than a purely timed event. Figure skating seems like it's the least objective sport to determine a winner. However, that being said, unless it is just blatantly obvious (like Sale/Pelletier) that one person was better than another the complaining group always seems to lose in the court of public opinion.

I thought the Canadian deserved the Gold.



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User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5693 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1413 times:
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Quoting AF340 (Reply 2):
I just mean their Moguls contingent

Don't see many here in Oz complaining too hard.. indeed there would be few that consider Begg-Smith an Australian in any case, certainly he doesn't.

IMO he is a petulant child who took his toys away after a dispute with the Canadian team and Australia was the easiest "flag of convenience" he could find.
His surly monosyallabic attitude endears him to no one.



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User currently offlineAutothrustBlue From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1406 times:

Quoting AF340 (Reply 2):

Ah ok, never mind then.  
Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 3):
I think part of it is that some sports are "judged" rather than a purely timed event.

Agreed. At least with a timed sport (the ball sports most are familiar with) if someone wins or loses, there's usually a reason behind it: playing poor defense, pressing the oppoenents, etc. But with a judged sport, a victory or defeat hinges on the opinions of several people.
Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 3):
However, that being said, unless it is just blatantly obvious (like Sale/Pelletier) that one person was better than another the complaining group always seems to lose in the court of public opinion.

   It just leaves a bad image in the minds of others

Regards



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User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 964 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1398 times:

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 3):
I thought the Canadian deserved the Gold.

Surely whatever happens a Canadian will win the gold?  

But the "sore loser" mentality seems to be a growing one in Ausiie sport (ref. Aussie cricket team)

Kent


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13084 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1378 times:

As done with the figure skating debacle a in a past Olympics, I would assume that an investigation will be done of the judging, it's procedures, the judges and others to make sure there was no major screw ups or 'fixes'. Probably the Canadian won as I recall during the NBC network coverage, they noted that one of his moves off the jumps had a greater difficult factor than the person who came in 2nd.

User currently offlineUS330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3871 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1349 times:

I love how only later in the article the Aussie coach admits that Begg-Smith could have easily just lost on speed--that he wasn't fast enough, and Bilodeau was about .5 seconds faster than the guy.

User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1328 times:

I watched it on TV at work, first thing I have watched from the winter games.

It was FANTASTIC, and he really deserved to get Gold. That run was perfect, the first jump AMAZING, and the last one perfect.


User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 964 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1325 times:

This is a pretty good summation of Aussies' views of Mr Begg-Smith.... http://www.smh.com.au/sport/winter-o...old-20100215-o2zy.html?autostart=1

[Edited 2010-02-15 16:33:07]

User currently offlineKiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1315 times:

Australia has a much greater focus on dedication to excellence in sport than most countries. The level of investment in academies, development programs, etc is very indicative that they see sport as a chance to shine, and generally chase victory, rather than participation.

The end result: they are far more successful in sport, across a broad range of sports than you would expect for such a small population. The other end result is, being more focussed on result than participation, they can be sore losers, (and winners). The cricket team probably being the most obvious exponent of both. This can be a little confusing to some as it's seen as "unsporting" but I think that is being judged from a different perspective, (ie taking part versus winning/losing)

I think most sports fans would happily have their team take Australia's attitude if it also led to better results


User currently offlinePhotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2731 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1310 times:

Bloody hell mate.... The Canadian Won.... Fair Dinkum!!!

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1252 times:

Quoting AF340 (Thread starter):
the Australian Mens Mogul Team is preparing a challenge to the historic gold medal win by Canada's Alex Bilodeau in last night's final.

It's the friggin Olympics! Suck it up, go back to flipping burgers or whatever for 4 years, and try again in 2014.



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User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1246 times:

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 12):
Bloody hell mate.... The Canadian Won.... Fair Dinkum!!!

   Rippa!



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User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6321 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1182 times:

Quoting AF340 (Thread starter):
Dale Begg-Smith

'nuff said. This guy is a little b!t*h, plain and simple. He left Canada because the Canadian team said he wasn't serious enough...fine, so be it, but he pretty much shows he hates Canada, and Canadians, from what I have seen. He absolutely seems like the "I lost, it must be rigged" kind of kid; he'd be a great African politician.

Seems to me the average IQ of the Canadian population went up a few points when this guy left town.


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1152 times:

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 12):
Bloody hell mate.... The Canadian Won.... Fair Dinkum!!!

To paraphrase Bob Hope's 'oldie but goodie' joke about the contribution of German scientists to the Space Race, "I guess their Canadian was better than our Canadian." 

There's certainly no 'groundswell' of public resentmernt here in Oz about this decision - or indeed ANY aspect of the Winter Olympics. Virtually no-one's watching them, for a start. A pal of mine who has pay-TV just told me that Foxtel has abandoned efforts to charge $45 for their coverage and are instead giving it away free!

Doesn't help that we're enduring a heatwave even by Australian standards - temperatures around 30C-plus every day, in all parts of the continent.



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User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 964 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1138 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 16):
Doesn't help that we're enduring a heatwave even by Australian standards - temperatures around 30C-plus every day, in all parts of the continent.

But, of course, climate change is a fallacy (oh no, I'm being a peekaboologist now!).

I was watching at the weekend when it was 90 something degrees and 90 something % humidity - the snow at least made me think it was a little cooler!


User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1123 times:

Quoting sw733 (Reply 15):
'nuff said. This guy is a little b!t*h, plain and simple.

He doesn't endear himself to everyone when he doesn't talk to the media and he owns an email spam company. The reclusive part I can deal with but a guy that fills my inbox with spam I can't.

I kind of thought the US guy that got the bronze did better than Begg-Smith but what does that say about the subjectiveness of scoring? Like I said, at least with luge, bobsled, or curling the scoring is either time or distance based. Anyone can see by how fast the participant goes or how close the stone is to the center, whether you play the sport or not.

I did get a good laugh out of the guy from our area here in Washington that faceplanted on his jump in the mogels competition. From what I've heard he's a good buy but if you're going to fail, fail spectacularly.



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