AF340 From Canada, joined Jul 2007, 2786 posts, RR: 4 Posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1367 times:
Well in an interesting turn of events, the Australian Mens Mogul Team is preparing a challenge to the historic gold medal win by Canada's Alex Bilodeau in last night's final. The coach of the Canadian born and trained Dale Begg-Smith who now represents Australia claims that Bilodeau's two highest scores were just that -- too high.
canoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2728 posts, RR: 12 Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1307 times:
Quoting AF340 (Reply 2): Of course, I just mean their Moguls contingent
Remember Jamie Sale and David Pelletier? Or, when the Koreans didn't agree that one of their short track skaters deserved to get a penalty against Apollo Ono losing the gold? This happens from time to time in the Olympics. I think part of it is that some sports are "judged" rather than a purely timed event. Figure skating seems like it's the least objective sport to determine a winner. However, that being said, unless it is just blatantly obvious (like Sale/Pelletier) that one person was better than another the complaining group always seems to lose in the court of public opinion.
StealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5547 posts, RR: 47 Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1282 times:
Quoting AF340 (Reply 2): I just mean their Moguls contingent
Don't see many here in Oz complaining too hard.. indeed there would be few that consider Begg-Smith an Australian in any case, certainly he doesn't.
IMO he is a petulant child who took his toys away after a dispute with the Canadian team and Australia was the easiest "flag of convenience" he could find.
His surly monosyallabic attitude endears him to no one.
If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 3): I think part of it is that some sports are "judged" rather than a purely timed event.
Agreed. At least with a timed sport (the ball sports most are familiar with) if someone wins or loses, there's usually a reason behind it: playing poor defense, pressing the oppoenents, etc. But with a judged sport, a victory or defeat hinges on the opinions of several people.
Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 3): However, that being said, unless it is just blatantly obvious (like Sale/Pelletier) that one person was better than another the complaining group always seems to lose in the court of public opinion.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12670 posts, RR: 13 Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1247 times:
As done with the figure skating debacle a in a past Olympics, I would assume that an investigation will be done of the judging, it's procedures, the judges and others to make sure there was no major screw ups or 'fixes'. Probably the Canadian won as I recall during the NBC network coverage, they noted that one of his moves off the jumps had a greater difficult factor than the person who came in 2nd.
KiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2139 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1184 times:
Australia has a much greater focus on dedication to excellence in sport than most countries. The level of investment in academies, development programs, etc is very indicative that they see sport as a chance to shine, and generally chase victory, rather than participation.
The end result: they are far more successful in sport, across a broad range of sports than you would expect for such a small population. The other end result is, being more focussed on result than participation, they can be sore losers, (and winners). The cricket team probably being the most obvious exponent of both. This can be a little confusing to some as it's seen as "unsporting" but I think that is being judged from a different perspective, (ie taking part versus winning/losing)
I think most sports fans would happily have their team take Australia's attitude if it also led to better results
'nuff said. This guy is a little b!t*h, plain and simple. He left Canada because the Canadian team said he wasn't serious enough...fine, so be it, but he pretty much shows he hates Canada, and Canadians, from what I have seen. He absolutely seems like the "I lost, it must be rigged" kind of kid; he'd be a great African politician.
Seems to me the average IQ of the Canadian population went up a few points when this guy left town.
To paraphrase Bob Hope's 'oldie but goodie' joke about the contribution of German scientists to the Space Race, "I guess their Canadian was better than our Canadian."
There's certainly no 'groundswell' of public resentmernt here in Oz about this decision - or indeed ANY aspect of the Winter Olympics. Virtually no-one's watching them, for a start. A pal of mine who has pay-TV just told me that Foxtel has abandoned efforts to charge $45 for their coverage and are instead giving it away free!
Doesn't help that we're enduring a heatwave even by Australian standards - temperatures around 30C-plus every day, in all parts of the continent.
"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards.." - Leonardo da Vinci
canoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2728 posts, RR: 12 Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 992 times:
Quoting sw733 (Reply 15): 'nuff said. This guy is a little b!t*h, plain and simple.
He doesn't endear himself to everyone when he doesn't talk to the media and he owns an email spam company. The reclusive part I can deal with but a guy that fills my inbox with spam I can't.
I kind of thought the US guy that got the bronze did better than Begg-Smith but what does that say about the subjectiveness of scoring? Like I said, at least with luge, bobsled, or curling the scoring is either time or distance based. Anyone can see by how fast the participant goes or how close the stone is to the center, whether you play the sport or not.
I did get a good laugh out of the guy from our area here in Washington that faceplanted on his jump in the mogels competition. From what I've heard he's a good buy but if you're going to fail, fail spectacularly.