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A Nation Of Ingrates  
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Posted (14 years 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1066 times:

Following is an excerpt from my local papers editorial section from today. I could not have said it better myself. Two thumbs up to the lady that wrote it, and I salute the San Gabriel County Tribune for printing it.
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Where are patriots?
If you remember the 1960 election, Nixon vs. Kennedy, then you know that this is different. Vice President Nixon met with Sen. Kennedy, he decided to put the country first, not contest the fraud. The circus in Florida is more of the same with the Clinton-Gore administration, the bimbos, lies, impeachment etc.

Both Nixon and Kennedy served in the Navy and grew up in another time. The words of President Kennedy, "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" are lost on this nation of foreigners, illegal aliens and ungrateful Americans. Where have all the patriots gone?

Our immigration policy of "all come" has changed America, but not for the better. Will our grandchildren and great-grandchildren live in the United States of the Third World, with crowded schools, crowded cities, roads and highways, shortage of water, housing, etc., etc.? In election 2000, the most important thing was one-party-rule and abortion rights. Shades of the Soviet Union, 1917.
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Like I said, I couldn't have agreed more had I wrote it myself.
This of course is what I've been saying all along.
Todays youth, immigrants, and people that just don't care should be ashamed of themselves.
If they don't like it here, I'll give them a ride to the airport.
And let's close our borders once and for all, shall we?
I know that America was built on people fleeing their homelands to escape persecution, and hopes of becoming better people. But that was 1885. Now it's 2000. Th difference now is that nobody comes here for the reasons that they did a century ago. Oh sure maybe a miniscule handful do, and even more SAY they do, but the overwhelming reality is that they come here, don't even bother to learn the language or culture. They sit on their ass, demand that we subsidize them. they pop out kid after kid, choking up our schools, roads, and hospitals. Wages have been in a freefall here in CA. Wonder why? Many of them never even finish high school, and far fewer of them attend college. They disrespect our country in more ways than I have time to write. And when taxpayers such as myself that pay for those loafers finally say enough is enough, we are instantly labelled as rascist and intolerant.




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User currently offlineMirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (14 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 982 times:

"And let's close our borders once and for all, shall we?"
Matt D, this is a fascist ideal, I hope you're not so angry as you look. The USA as the number one economic power in the world has to deal with immigrants, you have to live with that.


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (14 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 975 times:

Personally, I feel that the US, number one economic power of not, has to start doing something to at least limit immigration. America needs to take care of Americans first and foremost before the rest of the world. How is it that the US spends billions apon billions of dollars in foreign aid, yet there are starving kids in the U.S.? Its time the US looks at its own, and less about the rest of the world. The Anti-American sentiment worldwide is strong, because these other nations are jealous of the U.S., and the quality of life most Americans enjoy. Any country with Anti-US sentiment should be left off the US's foreign aid list.

User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 3, posted (14 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 977 times:

True. Maybe saying we should close it off entirely is a bit extreme. I agree with what you said. But by the same token, we need to somehow curtail this unlimited one way flow into this country that is causing more harm than good. There needs to be some standards in place, and some rigorous follow up in such areas as self sufficency (that means no hand-outs from the government-not for more than 90 days anyway), competency in the language (this would be a requirement for green cards and/or citizenship), and so on.
I understand that Australia has some of the strictest immigration policies in the world. Some may see them as being harsh. But at the same time, I don't imagine that they have the immigration issues that we do. Maybe if we adopt a system like theirs.


User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4795 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (14 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 973 times:

Although I do not live in the US, Matt D is expressing an opinion which is also heard in Canada but seldom expressed.

Lets take the example of my boyfriend's mother. She immigrated to Canada from with her children at the end of 1993, being sponsored by her husband. Until this day, she knows very little English and has not been employed - and has no desire to. Her earnings are derived from a business in her former home country. She has never recieved any form of government handouts available to immigrants, and is now studying to become a Canadian citizen (her English is improving  ). She pays her taxes and supports the local economy.

Why is it so important that she conforms immediatley to the white culture, as Matt D suggests? There are plenty of things to do for people who speak only Cantonese. She is proud of living in Canada and will soon be a citizen despite her limited language skills. She is in no way harming anyone in her adopted home and has given her children many opportunities that they never would have had if they had not immigrated.

This is the story relevant to many immigrants these days. Even those who do temporarily use government assistance usually contribute greatly to the economy and culture of their new homeland. Before you think of locking the gates, put yourself in a similar situation.


User currently offlineAvion From Bouvet Island, joined May 1999, 2205 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (14 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 964 times:

Australia has probably the least strict immigration policy in the world. I think they give you the passport after you lived there for just one year!

And dont think this is a problem that only the US has. Western Europe is overflowed with immigrants from Eastern Europe and Turkey. It is happening to all first world countries.

Avion


User currently offlineFrequence plus From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 108 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (14 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 957 times:

Interesting how a white person can complain about immigration as though any of us(African, European, Asian or Arabic) are indigenous to this part of the world.
Get a clue.


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (14 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 954 times:

I think we are getting a bit off topic here. This was not really meant to be a focus on immigration. Please read the text that I quoted.

User currently offlineDG_pilot From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 856 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (14 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 954 times:

While realizing you were not focusing on immigration, I have a few things to add myself.

I strongly agree to having much, much stricter immigration policies. The people that come in here, take up space, get handouts, and then pop babies out left and right simply have to be stopped. Sometimes the right thing to do is not the nicest thing to do. But then again, are they themselves being nice?

Matt D, I'm surprised you haven't, if not yet, been called a racist or even been associated with a racist. Anytime anyone on here posts their opinions on another group of people, folks like Frequence plus rush to call them a racist and a bigot. Its amazing how much whining he does himself.

Good post man. You are a patriot.
Dustin


User currently offlineUNC #1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (14 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 946 times:

Matt D That Coment Was very true so all my respect shall go to you

User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 948 times:

With all do respect, you don't see a huge influx of immigrants to African, Asian, or Arabic countries. They are the ones that are moving into the the U.S. and Western Europe.

User currently offlineAlmbluzman From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 182 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (14 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 943 times:

okay matt -
i have put off responding to your posts for as long as i could. i understand and actually agree with the point that the article tries to make in asking "where all of the patriots went?". what in the freakin' crap do immigrants have to do with this? let me ask you this - you post an article that starts out with a noble idea and ends up bashing immigrants and you expect no one to go ahead and question the article? you obviously have not spent much time looking into the issue of immigration and have founded your beliefs on some idea that this country should not allow, and was not founded on, the theory that people should have the opportunities to chase after their dreams and find those proverbial "streets paved with gold". go ahead - tell me again how you like mexicans and how you have friends who are immigrants - i find it hard to believe because if i had a friend who was willing to practically stab my family in the back because some of us were not born here, that friendship would be over pretty quickly. i have sat through several threads like these of yours and i have always bit my tongue and let it go. no more. i'm gonna just wait now for you or someone else to trash me...don't worry, cause i'll be re-loading for the next round.

respectfully signed by the son of an immigrant,

almbluzman


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (14 years 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 942 times:

You guys are missing the point of Fréquence Plus' remark.

While I am anti-immigration, Fréquence was simply stating that no race in the United States, except Native American's are from here. At one point or another, every non-Native had family come from another part of the world. Me, my family came to the US as Irish, British, Scottish, and Canadian immigrants. I, while being white, am a part of the "Melting pot". But I do think that the US has gotten to the point where it's time to curb immigration. I think the quota system works well, just so long as there are provisions made for political refugees. During WWII, 20 000 Jewish children were sent back to Nazi Germany because the German quota, or number of immgrants allowed for that year, had been reached. So there is a need for revision, but a set limit on immigrants, proportional to a countries population is best.

LH423



« On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux » Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
User currently offlineJderden777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1757 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (14 years 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 928 times:

that's a powerful statement...makes ya think doesn't it?? anybody read 1984 or Fahrenheit 451?

jderden777



"my soul is in the sky" - shakespeare
User currently offlineGreeneyes53787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 844 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (14 years 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 925 times:

That's pretty harsh Matt.

But it is true that we might need a better control of the influx of new Americans.


G

Ps-didn't read anyone's posts yet.


User currently offlineRealHigh From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1022 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (14 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 924 times:

RE: CPDC10-30
Matt D can't put himself in someone else's situation because Matt D is perfect!  
Matt D was sent down from God as an angel and is flawless!

Actually Matt D is a closet homosexual with a lot hate build up inside of himself. He is so insecure of himelf, he lives behind a computer screen spewing out his racist rhetoric!

Matt D, come on up to San Francisco!
I have lots of male friends who would just love to turn you out! 


User currently offlineN766AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (14 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 923 times:

RealHigh... that was UN-CALLED FOR. If we only had a disrepected users option.....

User currently offlineDeltaRNOmd-80 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (14 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 912 times:

hmm, thats an interesting assumption you got there, RealHigh. Seeing as you have never seen or met Matt, and you can already almost tell his life's story. That is truly amazing!   I agree partly with closing the borders, that is, the south borders of California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas  

User currently offlineAerLingus From China, joined Mar 2000, 2371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (14 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 911 times:

I support US immigration.
I am not saying that to be politically correct.
Some will argue that there are too many unproductive immigrants. Well, the simple and plain truth is that there are many unproductive 'Americans' as there are new arrivals.
My only complaint is that drivers exams, citizenship exams, and other forms should only be in English. I think that before immigrants come stateside, they need to be fluent in the English language.



Get your patchouli stink outta my store!
User currently offlineAlmbluzman From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 182 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (14 years 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 908 times:

so what? no one has anything to say in response to my post? what's the matter? i finished reloading a while ago...just give me a target - how 'bout it?

almbluzman



User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 20, posted (14 years 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 904 times:

It's not that we CAN'T say anything. It's just that we WON'T.
Why humor you like that when the idea that you are looking for a fight is about as subtle as a slap across the face with a steel pipe?


User currently offlineAlmbluzman From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 182 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (14 years 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 899 times:

hey matt -
what gives you the idea that i'm looking for a fight? i'm just hoping that you can give me some justification why hard-working tax-paying people like the ones in my family aren't supposed to be allowed into this country? what do you say matt - does that sound like a steel pipe being rapped across your face? i don't think so...

almbluzman


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 22, posted (14 years 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 895 times:

I think what we have a failure to communicate here-which incidentally is part of the problem-LANGUAGE!
I'm not opposed to letting people who can and will be self suficient in. It's the multi-generation welfare recipients that I have an issue with.
What gives me clout to say that? Because they are living off of my money...that I worked for, and am not seeing a dime of. Quite frankly, I'm too stingy and selfish to want to share it with those people.


User currently offlineFrequence plus From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 108 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (14 years 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 895 times:

No whining here DG Pilot...
Did I call Matt D a racist?
No
Did I say that he doesn't have the right to post his opinions?
No
Do I agree with his opinions?
No
However, he does have the right to have them, no matter how twisted and backwards they may seem to me.
Patriot?
You gotta be kiddin me
Was Matt's post all about lambasting 'other immigrants'?
Absolutely! The quote went in that direction and so did Matt's conclusions.
Me whining?
Hell no
You maybe just ego stroking Matt?
hmmm...Yes
You have life and all its mysteries 'squared away'?
I think not!
When you're finished popping the zits on your face, you can open your chute and come back down to Earth.
nuff said!



User currently offlineAlmbluzman From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 182 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (14 years 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 885 times:

okay so you don't want to pay for the lazy ones with your hard-earned dollars? that's cool. i don't want to pay for any lazy people either - whether they are immigrants or "natives." as far as assimilation goes, let me provide an example of an irish-catholic family that assimiliated very well. the kennedy's. they emigrated here and have gone on to become one of the most powerful and influential families in this country. it may not have happened overnight, but i don't know why anyone in their right mind would believe that it does happen overnight. so apparently the idea that immigrants refuse to assimilate has been around for quite awhile and has been used to promote ill-feelings toward immigants from all over the world.

close the borders? how about this fact - contrary to popular belief, most aliens do not cross the border illegally but enter legally and remain after their student or visitor visa expires. so i guess that building a wall at the border won't solve the "problem". i wonder why it is that we would only build a wall along the southern border with mexico?

almbluzman


25 Matt D : You're right. Building a wall along the southern border won't curb the flow. They will dig, or parachute their way in. Seriously though, if we just el
26 Almbluzman : immigrants come here for a "free handout"? do me a favor and define "free"? nothing is free especially in the good old u.s.a. let me qoute george borj
27 Matt D : Explain how that is possible. How can you take 1 billion in handouts and yield a return spending level that chimes in to the tune of 5 billion? You ca
28 DG_pilot : You throw around that racist term like a sandlot baseball. Don't say you don't. If anyone ever says anything about some other race, you are one of the
29 Frequence plus : What racist term did I use? What planet are you on currently? "Maybe you need to climb out of your shell and realize the world isn't going to be hande
30 Mx5_boy : Again Matt, You have suceeded again. lol. May I add the following, if the "white rich society" only approach was to take place in the United States, w
31 L-188 : MX5....I'm a eratz Republican (Alaska Independence Party actually but our platform is similar) Anyway. I don't have a pool. I wash my own car. (pressu
32 Almbluzman : i had a feeling that i would get questions over my numbers. like i said earlier - i was qouting an economics professor at the university of california
33 DG_pilot : I wasn't specifically blaming problems on any group, but I said that criticism from other types of people is not always racist rhetoric, as many of th
34 AerLingus : Where would we be without our immigrant population? We would be missing out on many hard working, decent people who developed this country into the po
35 Avion : Well said AerLingus. Avion
36 Matt D : You're absolutely, positively 150% right. This country was built on immigration. and I wouln't have been here either had my ancestors not come here. B
37 AerLingus : So what do you suggest the INS do about it, Matt D?
38 Matt D : The solution does not lie with the INS, and I don't suggest they do anything about it. The problem lies with our overly generous Social Services Syste
39 AerLingus : What are these freebies?
40 Matt D : Food stamps Welfare cash payouts Subsidized housing and health care The list goes on, but those are the big 3 Those are what I would love to see aboli
41 RealHigh : RE: Matt D America is changing just like the entire world! Love it or leave it ! If you can't embrace the changes taking place here, then you leave!
42 Matt D : Aint gonna happen cupcake. Rolling with the changes is one thing. But when those changes involve dragging me down to their level instead of encouragin
43 DG_pilot : I support your statements Matt D. You are the one in control here, you have the opportunity to change things. People like RealHigh are simply people t
44 Almbluzman : hey matt - you still haven't refuted my evidence and you still haven't given me anything to argue against except for your - dare i use the word? - "ra
45 Ctbarnes : All I have to say is I find the lack of compassion expressed by some here to be disturbing. Charles
46 Almbluzman : hey charles - i have long wanted to add you to my "respected users" list but have been waiting to see your outlook on "things". i am interested to see
47 Matt D : explain to me what this 'evidence' is. My argument is clear and unambiguous. This country gives handouts ranging from food to housing to cold hard cas
48 Almbluzman : hey matt - what is racist about it is that you have decided to single out the immigrants - you haven't made an argument against the "natives" or anyon
49 Matt D : Evidently you seem to have selective reading (which is not an unusual trait for those arguing in favor of such issues). I did not single out immigrant
50 Almbluzman : well, i guess that you must be right... you know, after all, you have more people supporting you in the "respected user" column. the bottom line is th
51 Mx5_boy : Charles, It's frightening. mb
52 Matt D : First of all, explain to me what these 'facts' are that you are so neurotically after. Why do I need to 'prove' that I don't want my money being hande
53 AerLingus : Me gusto mucho el Estados Unidos. Yo soy Estadunidense.
54 Post contains images AerLingus : I'm not confident enough in my Spanish to try anything more ambitious.
55 Matt D : I stated: "When I worked at the cable TV company, I would sometimes make collection calls if they got backed up. More than half of our delinquent cust
56 N863DA : Technically, it's Me gusta mucho los Estados Unidos. (porques hay mejor de una estada en los Estados Unidos) Just to clear it up! Y yo tambien soy est
57 Almbluzman : no really; please do go on. the bottom line is that you aren't the only person who has seen people abuse the system. however, you are one of the only
58 N863DA : My apologies, my last post should have read (jeez, I'm supposed to be fluent - HA! What a joke.) Me gusta mucho los Estados Unidos, porque hay más de
59 Ctbarnes : almbluzman: If my outlook on "things" is your criteria for including me in your respected users list, I think I would be happier if simply left me off
60 Almbluzman : hello charles - my criteria for whether or not you belong on my "respected user" list really does not have much to do with your opinion on this thread
61 Ctbarnes : almbluzman: Sorry if that sounded harsh. I guess I was a little defesnsive when I wrote it. I really am grateful for your complement; I've noticed you
62 Almbluzman : hey charles - no blood, no foul. my point is that i'm just trying to let matt d. know that i'm a little tired of sitting here and listening to him and
63 Post contains images HermansCVR580 : Matt D I have yet too meet a person who is a true American other than the Native Americans. So remember you to are related to someone who is not form
64 L-188 : If you trace native americans back far enough you can find out that they also imigrated to this side of the planet.....They are no different then the
65 Louis : Actually, you're right! You're the first person I've ever heard mention this fact! *lol*
66 DG_pilot : Almbluzman wrote: ""my point is that i'm just trying to let matt d. know that i'm a little tired of sitting here and listening to him and his "cronies
67 Ctbarnes : DG_Pilot: Ya know what I'm getting tired of listening to? People like you who have this "anyone, everyone, and all their ideas belong" thinking proces
68 Almbluzman : okay - the first thing that i am going to do is apologize for some of the name-calling that i have done. not too cool; not too mature. sorry. "anyone,
69 DG_pilot : What I am talking about is when people have this "everything, everyone, and all their ideas belong" thinking, and then one speaks out against one of t
70 Ctbarnes : St. Augustine probably said it best: Hate the sin, not the sinner. While you may not agree with the ideas people have, or the choices they have made,
71 Post contains images Brissie_lions : I have stayed out of this pointless debate up until now. And I know that DG_pilot will respect my views. He thinks I am an expert you see DG_Pilot You
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