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Cheney In Hospital With Chest Pains!  
User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2874 posts, RR: 8
Posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2362 times:

Wonder if its got anything to do with the Generals Peteraus and Powell criticizing him, maybe its all getting to much for him ?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news...ticle.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10628005


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User currently offlineken777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8278 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
Wonder if its got anything to do with the Generals Peteraus and Powell criticizing him, maybe its all getting to much for him ?

Probably just indigestion from having to eat his own words after 2 internationally respected Generals basically said he was wrong.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2255 times:

Former VP Cheney has had heart problems for years. I doubt this has anything to do with Gen.s Powell and Peteraus comments. I hope and pray he recovers.

  


User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2203 times:
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
Former VP Cheney has had heart problems for years.

I didn't think he had a heart.   

Much as I dislike the man, I too hope he recovers from this. Does he have health insurance?



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2146 times:

I wonder if his implanted pacemaker is wearing out.....

Quoting Arrow (Reply 3):
Does he have health insurance?

   Seriously?!



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2874 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2141 times:

Quoting Arrow (Reply 3):
Does he have health insurance?

My God I hope so.

A friend of mine had a heart attack in the states 4 years ago, ended up having to sell his house to pay for it..

Not a good situational to be in  Wow!



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User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

Quoting ken777 (Reply 1):
Probably just indigestion from having to eat his own words after 2 internationally respected Generals basically said he was wrong.

Which they're free to do, but doesn't make them right.

It was a mild heart attack, his fifth, and he is expected out of the hospital in a few days. Here's hoping for a speedy recovery.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_cheney_hospitalized


User currently offlineken777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8278 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2127 times:

Quoting Arrow (Reply 3):
Does he have health insurance?

Of course - the taxpayers will be taking care of him for the rest of his life.

Quoting dxing (Reply 6):
Which they're free to do, but doesn't make them right.

And fortunately they are speaking. It's nice to hear the open views of people who have earned the respect of both sides of the political spectrum.


User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2102 times:

Quoting ken777 (Reply 7):
Of course - the taxpayers will be taking care of him for the rest of his life.

I rather doubt that. Even Presidents aren't quite that fortunate.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepre...ntandcabinet/a/presidentialpay.htm

Former Presidents and their spouses, widows, and minor children are entitled to treatment in military hospitals. Health care costs are billed to the individual at a rate established by the Office of Management and Budget (OMB). Former Presidents and their dependents may also enroll in private health plans at their own expense.

Former VP Cheney is a wealthy person in his own right. I'm sure he has his own policy.


User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2874 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2077 times:

Quoting dxing (Reply 8):
Former VP Cheney is a wealthy person in his own right.

Being on his 5 th heart attack, he'll need to be wealthy, VERY VERY wealthy.

Karmic justice catching up perhaps.... I wonder ?   



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2064 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 9):
Being on his 5 th heart attack....

Has anyone ever really survived after their 5th...let alone their 6th heart attack?? The heart can only take so much abuse.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 9):
Karmic justice catching up perhaps

Lets keep politics out of this as this has absolutely nothing to do with it. The man has a health problem and that's the topic. He has had heart problems long before he became the VPOTUS.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 10):
Has anyone ever really survived after their 5th...let alone their 6th heart attack?? The heart can only take so much abuse.

Good question. I wish I knew the correct answer.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 10):
Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 9):
Karmic justice catching up perhaps

Lets keep politics out of this as this has absolutely nothing to do with it. The man has a health problem and that's the topic. He has had heart problems long before he became the VPOTUS.

Correct, When Sen. Kennedy was diagnosed with brain cancer, just about every conservitive here wished him well. As a cancer survivor myself, when he died, I was sad.


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8153 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2034 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 10):
Has anyone ever really survived after their 5th...let alone their 6th heart attack?? The heart
can only take so much abuse.

Absolutely - a heart attack is a blood clot that causes oxygen deprivation and tissue damage, no more or less. The location of occurrence is what determines their severity, among other things. As far as I know, most people who die of heart attacks don't have previous symptoms and/or have dangerous changes in their heart tissue that make them more susceptible to fatal rhythms a heart attack can trigger. Since he had his first at 37 and was a heavy smoker, it's likely he's had regular testing for awhile. As long as people have frequent testing, it's less likely to have fatal attacks as doctors can recommend appropriate changes to your activity level and prescribe medications to lower blood pressure and reduce clotting. My uncle has also had four attacks and is still in great health now at 64 after making some big life changes - he just simply wasn't capable of managing stress in his life and it manifested in his heart.

Obviously for genetic or lifestyle reasons, Cheney is unable to keep his coronary arteries clear. He also had abnormal heart rhythm problems for awhile, and had to have a catheter ablation procedure to correct it.



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User currently offlineMoltenRock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2023 times:

Most expected him to croak in office due to his numerous heart problems when elected. It just goes to show you the miracles that are accomplished everyday when you have federal healthcare insurance where every procedure is available to you regardless of cost.

I expect him to make a speedy recovery.


User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2014 times:

I'll leave the politics out of it and simply wish Mr. Cheney a speedy and full recovery.


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User currently offlineSkySurfer From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

My heart bleeds for him! heh  


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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1938 times:

Think about it - Dick Cheney has had FIVE heart attacks (along with several other heart related procedures) and HE STILL HAS HEALTH INSURANCE!!!!! If it were you or me, regardless of how wealthy we were, NO health insurer in the marketplace would COVER US!!! Hope the ex-VP gets better, and immediately changes his political rantings.  


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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2874 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1930 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 16):
Think about it - Dick Cheney has had FIVE heart attacks (along with several other heart related procedures) and HE STILL HAS HEALTH INSURANCE!!!!! If it were you or me, regardless of how wealthy we were, NO health insurer in the marketplace would COVER US!!!

You gota be kidding, so you mean after accepting your premiums for years and years the minute something goes wrong with you the (the insurer) can cancel the policy, isn't that discrimination ?      

Anyway as I said, he must be very wealthy because maybe he's being charged extra for the cover ?



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User currently offlineMoltenRock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1899 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 17):
You gota be kidding, so you mean after accepting your premiums for years and years the minute something goes wrong with you the (the insurer) can cancel the policy, isn't that discrimination ?      

Absolutely.

A more effective way of getting rid of sick people after they've paid for years is to double or triple their premiums. For a self-employed person to have family insurance coverage for health people runs $1200 to $1500 a month. Triple that it's $3,600 to $4,500 a month, or even if they "only" double it's $2500 to $3000 a month +/-.

You also have to take into account lifetime maxs that usually are offered with a $1 million max payout over a person's lifetime. Sometimes they are $2 million in lifetime caps. Most people who haven't used America's healthcare system very extensively find out very quickly a "simple" surgery easily runs over $100,000 by the time all the various bills start flowing in from the hospital, the multiple doctors who see you, surgeon, follow up care, etc...

I was in a very serious car accident a few years ago that put me in the ICU and hospital for a few weeks. That bill would easily exceed $600,000 to $700,000 today all over 1 incident. Until you've either been thru it yourself, or know first hand from watching a loved one in your family go thru it and hear the costs can you even probably wrap your brain around it. It really is just insane.


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day ago) and read 1897 times:

Quoting ken777 (Reply 1):
Probably just indigestion from having to eat his own words after 2 internationally respected Generals basically said he was wrong.

Very droll, but ken, this is not funny. Actually in the clip of what purported to be him toddling into hospital, he looked better than I feel. Anyway, his best moment will for ever be the epic performance at the Inaugurieties of 2009 appearing as Dr S.


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5279 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day ago) and read 1895 times:

You don't often hear of people suffering their 5th heart attack and living to tell about it.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 17):
You gota be kidding, so you mean after accepting your premiums for years and years the minute something goes wrong with you the (the insurer) can cancel the policy, isn't that discrimination ?

Hell yes they can. Those who are part of group policies are usually, though not always, safe, but those who have individual policies often have their policies canceled when they are diagnosed with a terminal illness or have their premiums increased to ridiculous levels. Many insurance policies also carry pre-existing condition clauses which basically means that if you take out a new policy after you've been diagnosed with an illness (say diabetes), the insurer has the right not to cover that particular illness (for a given period of time or forever) under your new policy and you are stuck paying all costs out of pocket. But hey, we don't need healthcare reform in this country...

[Edited 2010-02-24 02:49:25]


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User currently offlineMoltenRock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day ago) and read 1887 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 20):
Hell yes they can. Those who are part of group policies are usually, though not always, safe, but those who have individual policies often have their policies canceled when they are diagnosed with a terminal illness or have their premiums increased to ridiculous levels. But hey, we don't need health care reform in this country...

What's sadder still is the so called conservatives think having an option for a public run program for those who choose it is losing their freedom somehow, as they are currently hauling around a ball and chain of not having the freedom to just change jobs, start their own company, or go to bed terrified of losing their job thus losing coverage. That is "freedom" to them. Slaves to the insurance industry to be sure.

[Edited 2010-02-24 03:43:34]

User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2874 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day ago) and read 1880 times:

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 18):
Absolutely.

A more effective way of getting rid of sick people after they've paid for years is to double or triple their premiums. For a self-employed person to have family insurance coverage for health people runs $1200 to $1500 a month. Triple that it's $3,600 to $4,500 a month, or even if they "only" double it's $2500 to $3000 a month +/-.

My God, what a disgusting situation. That truly is appalling.   
I had no idea that Insurance in the US was that bad, Have heard the usual sad stories about the cost of operations etc, but had know idea that the premiums were that high, who the hell can afford that every month ?   



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 23 hours ago) and read 1867 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 22):
My God, what a disgusting situation. That truly is appalling.
I had no idea that Insurance in the US was that bad, Have heard the usual sad stories about the cost of operations etc, but had know idea that the premiums were that high, who the hell can afford that every month ?

Lucky Oceans spelled out his recent brush with the US health system.
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/healthreport/stories/2009/2509059.htm#
He managed to clock up a USD240,000 bill in about two weeks. Astonishing. But in his case the travel ins covered it. Still the link gives a sobering tale for those of us who grumble about Medicare from time to time.


User currently offlineAverageUser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 22 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 10):

Has anyone ever really survived after their 5th...let alone their 6th heart attack?? The heart can only take so much abuse.

It depends on how much of the heart muscle tissue has been damaged and where. Each attack will leave behind it more nonfuctional scar tissue, but since the diagnostics and awareness has been improved, people might seek and receive medical help with lesser symptoms. His primary heart complaint might be unstable, but less severe. I wonder if any invasive treatment has been performed on him?


25 dxing : As stated, he's a wealthy man in his own right so I would not be surprised if he can afford a policy or if he isn't self insured with no problems. Al
26 Baroque : Actually a lodestone (sometimes less incorrectly spelled loadstone) is rather high gravity and therefore heavy, but it is more noted for giving a sens
27 Post contains links dxing : http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Loadstone?jss=1 Which side of the road do you drive on? Is it the wrong side?
28 MoltenRock : That would not have ever been the case had Reagan not consolidated the budgets of Social Security with the general funds so his outrageous deficits a
29 KC135TopBoom : Nice attempt at revisionest history. President Reagan's SS plan was to stabilize SS in the 1980s through 2017, and the then Democratic Congress did j
30 Baroque : If you go to the origin of the term, it comes from Middle English means 'course stone' or 'leading stone' - hence lode not load. But if you drive on
31 dxing : Better check your history books. The unified budget was adopted in 1968 when a liberal democratic President that couldn't make up his mind how to fig
32 Post contains links Arrow : We have travel insurance, but my wife's instructions -- should I get sick on US territory -- are to get me the hell back over the border by any means
33 Baroque : Seems sound advice. I think Lucky lived up to his stage name. Nice prose from the Glode & Mail. It would be interesting to get the memos about Ch
34 Post contains links MoltenRock : You're dead wrong. The main change was in 1983 & some smaller tweaks followed 1985 and 1987 all under Reagan's watch. Ever since those rounds of
35 Post contains links dxing : That's why cheap lawyers, like former Sen. Edwards, take cases based on a percentage of the award. Any time I have used an example from Canada I have
36 Post contains images TheCommodore : So you spend the next 3 years in court fighting a massive insurance company...... That would be enough to give you another heart attack..... NO thnak
37 Post contains links dxing : Yes...how do you spell it? http://www.irrationalsigns.com/road-signs/aussie2.jpg or minimize?
38 dxing : And then you're a multi-millionaire set for life since we don't have tort reform nationally here. So let me get this straight....we're supposed to ba
39 Post contains links MoltenRock : More like 5 to 6 years given how clogged the courts are. Then another 2 years if win as the insurance company appeals the decision. And then you stil
40 Post contains images TheCommodore : Really, provided you win, and there is NO guarantee of that fighting these sorts of insurance companies. And there is nothing to say your going to be
41 dxing : There is nothing to say they won't and most cases don't even get to court. There is an out of court settlement and both parties walk away. Sure, we c
42 Post contains images OA412 : Yeah that sounds like a load of fun. As opposed to the urban legend/boogey man stories posted here all the time about how god awful healthcare is in
43 AirframeAS : IIRC, the his docs did install/implant a pacemaker in his chest. I don't know if that means anything or not as I don't know squat about medicine.
44 dxing : As I said in reply # 35... The same would be true of any other country as well. If I can't back it up I don't use it. As to what others do, that is t
45 Baroque : Has it really taken until now for you to notice differences in US spelling compared with forms used in the UK, Can and Aus?? From Wiki Use of "ise" d
46 MoltenRock : Don't fall for the "conservatives" that desperately try to change the subject so people notice they have no retort and no answer for the charges lodg
47 Post contains links and images dxing : And now a second person has to chime in and try and make it sound as if I started it!!! Looks like all is well as can be with the former VP. Discharg
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