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The Health Care Summit  
User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 10 months 1 week ago) and read 1268 times:

The health care summit is underway. I have heard the President remark several times that certain things are in the bill, but never a reference to where in the bill. One of these was interstate insurance sales. Where in the bill is it? Name a page where I can go read it!

The GOP started off well by simply stating that there is at least 150 billion in fraud in medicare. Why not go after that right now and the savings will get passed on. Great idea. We could have been doing that a year or more ago. It does not need a comprehensive medical reform act to achieve.

Rep. Hoyer started off with the same old democratic line....."I know of a woman".....straight to the emontional. Skip the emotional, we all get that, let's hear some facts. Again he, like the Pesident, made reference to things in the bill, but not where in the bill. Give us a page number so we can go see for ourselves!!!

It continues.

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User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1258 times:

I was waiting for this to happen. Rep. Dave Camp started pointing out cost reductions that could be achieved by eliminating the reduction of HSA's and FSA's in the bill and started pointing out the page numbers in the bill and how it could be changed. The Pesident put a stop to that by saying, "if everyone starts pointing out page numbers in the bills we won't get anything done. Fortunately Rep. Camp was not going to be denied and challenged the President that if they couldn't point out where in the bill the problems lie, how could any discussion on cost reduction truly happen? The President then just moved on without answering.

Sen. McConnell finally got around to asking the President if both sides would have equal time at the 76 minute mark. I had been wondering about that myself. Sen. McConnell pointed out that so far the President, who is moderator, had allowed the democrats 52 minutes to speak versus 24 to the GOP. Now that's fair. His response, we went over because of opening statements and because I'm President.

It continues.


User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1257 times:

At 10:56am CST the President just declared that bringing up criticisms of the current bills is not constructive and that comments should be directed to what both parties agree too. What the heck? If you can't bring up basic problems you have with the bill, what's the point?

Meanwhile Sen. Schumer was given a couple of minutes to blast away at the GOP for their supposed failings over the years.

I wish Sen. McConnell would get a little more assertive.

[Edited 2010-02-25 09:06:53]

User currently onlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8299 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1248 times:

Quoting dxing (Reply 1):
if everyone starts pointing out page numbers in the bills we won't get anything done. Fortunately Rep. Camp was not going to be denied and challenged the President that if they couldn't point out where in the bill the problems lie, how could any discussion on cost reduction truly happen? The President then just moved on without answering.

Very disappointing. More and more the blame lies as much with Obama for this mess as the opposition. If it takes pointing to page numbers, so be it - extend the summit however many days is necessary to get substantial savings into the bill that make it more palatable to all involved - namely taxpayers. They're really screwing the pooch. Either you're going to go all the way on a strategy session or not.

Quoting dxing (Reply 2):

Meanwhile Sen. Schumer was given a couple of minutes to blast away at the GOP for their supposed failings over the years.

Embarrassing. How this guy still gets elected is beyond amazing.



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User currently offlinenighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5186 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1237 times:

you just sat and watched over an hours worth of political debate? You need to get out more!

I suggest you head to Las Vegas next wednesday!  



That'll teach you
User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1583 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1235 times:

i think this thread is gonna bring out all the GOP'ers on here from out of the woodwork as usual. Unfortunetly im overseas right now with a slow DSL connection, so i cant watch this live..i'll wait for the aftermath  .

User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1233 times:

I will give the President kudo's for allowing Sen. McCain to point out the promises that the President made during the campaign as it regards to transparency, the cspan, the pharma deal, and such, without interuption. Sen. McCain took his fellow colleagues in the Senate to task as well for the various sweetheart deals that were cut to make the bill acceptable to enough democratic Senators to get the bill passed. Although the President tried to rebutt the Senator, he realized there was no way to deny or change such recent history so took his scolding and moved on.

Time to get ready for work. I've set the dvr to record the rest. So far this has been more of a "why we should just pass this bill" summit from the President as opposed to looking for ways to change or scrap the bill and make it more acceptable to the general public.


User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2755 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1218 times:

Quoting dxing (Reply 1):
Rep. Dave Camp started pointing out cost reductions that could be achieved

When Rep. Camp tried to quantify one area where the facts clearly state the current plans are in error, Obama interrupted him and told him that discussion would take place later! This was after he told Sen. Alexander the numbers he had on a statement had to be proven by the time the end of the session came!

Later Senator Kyl and others corrected Obama by going to the source CBO document that Alexander used. Now Obama is obfuscating the issue. The messiah has spoken.



OMG-Obama Must Go
User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2755 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1215 times:

The latest CNN poll shows 73% of Americans want this bill scrapped. FOX only shows 70%. Maybe FOX News is moving too far to the left! Either way, somewhere between 27% and 30% favor this plan. These being seen on the Tube si i do not have a link


OMG-Obama Must Go
User currently offlineken777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8483 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1215 times:

Quoting dxing (Thread starter):
The GOP started off well by simply stating that there is at least 150 billion in fraud in medicare. Why not go after that right now and the savings will get passed on. Great idea. We could have been doing that a year or more ago. It does not need a comprehensive medical reform act to achieve.

Going after Medicare fraud is an on-going program. Even Bush/Cheney were for investigating, arresting and imprisonment of those committing fraud. As I've previous mentioned, I believe that the most effective approach to improving the reduction rate is to invest heavily in systems that will highlight "abnormal" billing issues. A "new provider" who is suddenly billing a lot? Have the FBI get a couple of agents to drive by and look them over. That stops the mail box companies just collecting checks. Same with doctors or other providers - look for abnormal billing patterns. Cost money for computer systems, programmers and statisticians - but will pay off within a year.

And, like some of the major drug investigations,

Quoting dxing (Reply 1):
His response, we went over because of opening statements and because I'm President.

Actually he is the President and he is the one to make the opening main statement. Then both sides got their opening statements. BFD.

Both sides are getting their comments in - fairly clearly I think. The simple issue is that there are two sides that disagree on the basics of health care reform. The political grandstanding (and props) won't move the issues closer and I doubt if the Republicans even want to get closer. This is their start of the campaigning for the November election.


User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2755 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1173 times:

President Obama ended Thursday's daylong White House summit with a bang, threatening to push for passage of health care reform without Republican support if a bipartisan agreement remained out of reach.

"If we're unable to resolve differences over health care, we will need to move ahead on decisions," he said, alluding to using reconciliation, a controversial maneuver that prevents a GOP filibuster by requiring only 51 votes to pass legislation.

Obama added that if voters are unhappy with results, then "that's what elections are for."


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...et-televised-health-care-showdown/

Oh well he tried. But Barry and the gang still have their agenda. He did not score any points today. This was a win for the Republicans.



OMG-Obama Must Go
User currently offlineken777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8483 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1165 times:

Quoting windy95 (Reply 10):
President Obama ended Thursday's daylong White House summit with a bang, threatening to push for passage of health care reform without Republican support if a bipartisan agreement remained out of reach.

There is a huge difference between a "threat" and a clear definition of the road ahead. Obama made it pretty clear that health reform has been debated for half a century and would not be pushed back another 5 decades.

He also made it pretty clear to the politicians in the room that now is the time to work together to get the job done if they want to work together.

But it is pretty clear that Health Care is going to be the Republican's key force in the November Elections. No way will they work in any manner that doesn't increase their efforts for Obama's Waterloo.

As for that big, bad Reconciliation - it worked for the Republicans when they wanted to get something passed. Why shouldn't the Democrats go for it.

Who won today depends on which choir you're in. John Boehner had his tan in full swing and looked darker than Obama - the funniest thing I've seen today.

Republicans spent a lot of time saying, "let's start over" even though they knew that wouldn't fly.

There were a handful of surprises, but mainly to do with statistics.

Quoting windy95 (Reply 10):
This was a win for the Republicans.

Again, that depends on which choir you're singing in.


User currently offlineflanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1661 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1159 times:

Quoting windy95 (Reply 10):
President Obama ended Thursday's daylong White House summit with a bang, threatening to push for passage of health care reform without Republican support if a bipartisan agreement remained out of reach.

AHAH okay good. Obama is an idiot. I really hope they push with this. Ill send over some shovels. They are going to need them.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8965 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1146 times:

Quoting ken777 (Reply 11):
There is a huge difference between a "threat" and a clear definition of the road ahead. Obama made it pretty clear that health reform has been debated for half a century and would not be pushed back another 5 decades.

He had a chance to do it, with a significant mandate in Congress and his own approval ratings, and he pissed it away in a special-interest-driven monstrosity of a bill 2700 pages long which laid all the blame on the insurance companies and did nothing to lower costs driven by anything else - including the government. Virtually everyone agrees that reform is needed, yet Obama blew it.

Tonight he showed how ideologically driven he is. He had a chance to ask, "what part of the bill do we agree on", strip out ALL the rest, and pass it. He could have included one extra part part of the bill - that 1-2 years after the bill becomes law, a panel would be named to examine its effects, and propose next steps to further reduce costs and increase health-care coverage.

It would have been a huge victory for him, but he is unable to compromise.



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User currently offlineken777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8483 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1129 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
special-interest-driven monstrosity of a bill 2700 pages long which laid all the blame on the insurance companies and did nothing to lower costs driven by anything else - including the government

We keep hearing of the thousands of pages. How many of these pages are basically required references to other laws, with any necessary modifications, like changing "may" to "will".

Give me a comparison, how many pages was Medicare Part D? The original prints, not the final print that might be condensed. There were some large stacks that the Republicans had for "props". Surely they were printed on both sides to save some trees. Surely the Republicans wouldn't have printed on one side - double spaced - just to make it look overwhelming.  

And the insurance companies didn't get all the blame. Medicare Fraud got a high profile and I think we can all agree that insurance companies are not the only ones to blame for that.


User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1117 times:

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 4):
I suggest you head to Las Vegas next wednesday!

I'd better be heading to Los Angeles next Thursday else wise you will have to try and drive out of LA yourself and wouldn't that be a hoot?   

Quoting ken777 (Reply 14):
How many of these pages are basically required references to other laws, with any necessary modifications, like changing "may" to "will".

The GOP's plan is 216 pages long and accomplishes many of the same things as the democratic plan, just with less bureaucracy. Since that doesn't give the liberals more power of ordinary citizens it just won't do for them.


User currently offlineken777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8483 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1067 times:

Quoting dxing (Reply 15):
The GOP's plan is 216 pages long and accomplishes many of the same things as the democratic plan,

The difference between a "plan" and a "law" is that the law needs to put in links to existing laws that are impacted and establishes the changes that are needed to the existing law.

Sort of the difference between talking the talk and walking the walk.

Quoting dxing (Reply 15):
Since that doesn't give the liberals more power of ordinary citizens it just won't do for them.

No, the Republican plan would give more power to the health insurance companies, screwing the ordinary citizens, and that suits those receiving the political contributions from insurance just fine.


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