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Hummer - Why All The Hate?  
User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4254 times:

Who the hell cares if someone has a Hummer? A Land Cruiser, Tahoe, Expedition, Titan, whatever, is the same damn thing.
So why so many pics of Hummers getting fingered? Does it have something to do with Prius drivers?




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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4239 times:

Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
So why so many pics of Hummers getting fingered?

Hummers take up so much of the width space on the road. Most of the Hummer owners are more like they think they own the road and that only Hummers should be the only vehicle on them.

I cannot count how many times a Hummer nearly ran me off the road, especially on Pena Blvd at DEN.

IMO, Hummers belong on off-road tails, not on the paved surfaces on a daily basis. They were not built for daily driving on paved surfaces. I guess the mantra is like "My vehicle is bigger than yours" crap.

Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
Does it have something to do with Prius drivers?

They are a totally different pack, however they are the slowest of the bunch.



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User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4239 times:

I have a personal disdain for Hummers, but it goes beyond the vehicle.

Apart from being f***ugly, to me it's the ultimate symbol of material excess. I can't tell you how many people I know that drive them and don't need them. Should they have a right to drive them? Sure. But I have the right to laugh at them for it. I just think they're incredibly ugly, and everytime I see one I can't help but think "sorry about your penis."

I mean, all of what I say goes with exception to people who have trucks and actually need them. But the truth of the matter is that I know so many that don't, and that think they're tough shit while on the road. Usually that attitude carries over to their driving. Typically the people I know that drive them are arrogant, self-righteous windbags who think their manhood is somehow validated by it. Yeah, I'm stereotyping, and I understand that not ALL Hummer drivers are like that, but the majority I've met are. And I stereotype. Deal.

[Edited 2010-02-25 12:35:08]

User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14139 posts, RR: 63
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4210 times:

The Toyota Land Cruiser is a very capable offroad vehicle (nickname "Bush taxi" due to it´s widespread use in rural third world countries with bad to non-existing roads). The same applies to the Land Rover Defender, the Range Rover (in it´s original form, not the later yuppyized city dweller versions), the Land Rover Discovery 1 (again later models were designed more in favour of road comfort than off road ruggedness), the Mercedes G Class and the older Nissan Patrol. I don´t know enough about the other ones.
The Hummer H1 was directly based on the military HMMWV off road truck, while the later H2 and H3 are based on civilian vehicle (IIRC the Suburban), which were not designed for heavy offroad work and only share a similarity in the bodywork.
As such the later Hummers have become status symbols for a certain type of urban show off (Even though I´m living in the countryside, I often see a yellow H3 driving throug my village, which, after the look of it´s scratchless paint coat and chromium plated wheels has never even seen a dirt road).
You take an H3 into a muddy sandpit it will get hopelessly stuck. The H1 and the military HMMWV wil be able to get through, as will the Toyota and the Land Rover Defender.

Jan

[Edited 2010-02-25 12:58:08]

[Edited 2010-02-25 13:02:05]

User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15833 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4203 times:

Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
Does it have something to do with Prius drivers?

Not Prius drivers specifically, but the ecotards in general.

Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
Who the hell cares if someone has a Hummer?

Exactly. It is their car, and they are paying to put gas in it. If you don't want to pay that much for fuel, the solution is so simple even the greenies can understand it. Don't buy a Hummer!

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
Hummers take up so much of the width space on the road.

So? They are legal. If it is really that big of a problem then the laws should change. Also, what about RV, which are often far larger than a Hummer.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
They were not built for daily driving on paved surfaces.

But people do it. And if they are willing to pay the penalty for the extra capability then I don't see the problem.

Quoting Airport (Reply 2):
Apart from being f***ugly,

Function before form. The windshield on the H1 is actually tilted slightly forward so that light reflecting upwards cannot potentially catch the attention of any aircraft overhead. And the bulges in the doors were to facilitate the addition of a power window system, that was not used on the military variant.

Quoting Airport (Reply 2):
to me it's the ultimate symbol of material excess.

Material excess is wonderful it you can afford it.



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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10338 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4200 times:

Quoting Airport (Reply 2):
and everytime I see one I can't help but think "sorry about your penis."

  

Especially if it's a woman driving!

My major problem with people who drive SUVs and such (and who don't have any need for them) is that they constantly assume that they are driving a freaking tractor-trailer or something. I can't count how many times I've been approaching an intersection in the 2nd-to-right lane, with an SUV in the right lane who is making a right turn. Invariably, they swing over to the left side of their lane (or even a tiny bit into my lane) before making the turn.

I just want to scream at those people: your car's width and wheelbase are not THAT much bigger than mine. You don't need to make a freaking wide right turn! You will not run over the curb!

Not to mention, if you're that worried about it, drive straight for 2 more feet before starting your turn instead of swinging out wide!



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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4164 times:

Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
Does it have something to do with Prius drivers?

I hate *Hummers as much as hybrids. They both are driven by people who somehow feel superior because of them, people driving them don't seem to know how to drive, both cars claim to be able to do things they don't achieve, they're both fugly, etc etc etc.

*I don't dislike the H1 as an engineering accomplishment one bit, quite the opposite in fact, those can really go anywhere. But those who own the civilian version and never ever take them off the pavement are only flaunting their lack of manhood/taste/intelligence/etc.

But the H2/H3 are just glorified and overpriced Suburbans/Tahoes with some nasty lipstick on.


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15833 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4162 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 3):
while the later H2 and H3 are based on civilian vehicle (IIRC the Suburban), which were not designed for heavy offroad work and only share a similarity in the bodywork.

The H2 and H3 are based off of the Tahoe/Suburban (GMT800) and Colorado platforms respectively, but both the H2 and H3 are quite capable offroad, much more so than their platform mates. This was one of the conditions when GM went about designing the H2. They were simply not willing to water down the Hummer pedigree.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 3):
as will the Toyota

The modern ones? I think that an H2 is more capable than a modern Toyota Land Cruiser.



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4151 times:

My comments that follow are restricted to the H2 and H3. The H1 is an exception, but is not sold anymore.

My problem with the Hummer is that it's not good at anything that it purports to do. It's not good at going off-road. It's not good at hauling things internally— a minivan or station wagon is better. It's not stylish.



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User currently offlinebhill From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1023 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4141 times:

For the same reason we were pissed over the bonuses handed out to the financial Oligarchs this last year...They are gauche...nothing wrong with being confident, but I think the days of "Fxxk You I got mine" are gone. Besides, they are not needed, as previous posters have said, the pretty shiny hummer with chrome wheels probably would'nt do well off road. It also tuns out that in many citys, they are too wide to park legally on the street...residential that is...


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User currently offlineflanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1661 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4136 times:

I don't hate Hummers. and if you can afford to drive one then more power to you.

It is not my business what other people pick to drive, nor should it be any of yours either.

Yes, this even extends to the Eco-tards.

Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
So why so many pics of Hummers getting fingered? Does it have something to do with Prius drivers?

It has to do with the specific far left propaganda thats all.

[Edited 2010-02-25 13:20:39]


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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15833 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4128 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 8):
It's not good at going off-road.
Quoting bhill (Reply 9):
the pretty shiny hummer with chrome wheels probably would'nt do well off road.

Yes, it would. Far better than its more conventional counterparts for sure. Take an Escalade or Lexus RX off road and see how far you get. The H2 and H3 are based on other platforms, but they are not mere badge engineering.

Quoting bhill (Reply 9):
I think the days of "Fxxk You I got mine" are gone.

Not for me.



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4124 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 11):
Take an Escalade or Lexus RX off road and see how far you get.

If I were truly going off-road, I'd not take either of those or an H2 or H3. You have assumed that I was comparing the H2 or H3 to those models.

When I have gone off-road, I've used a Wrangler, but there are other vehicles that would do well, also.



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15833 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4114 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 12):
You have assumed that I was comparing the H2 or H3 to those models.

You didn't specify, so I picked vehicles likely to be cross shopped with an H2. The Wrangler does a great job off road, but I doubt that many H2 owners checked out Wranglers or vice versa. The Wranger could probably do as good or better an H2 off road, but falls short on creature comforts.



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User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3188 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4097 times:

Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
So why so many pics of Hummers getting fingered

Same reason a painter always gets fingered. It is pretty easy to spot a painter.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7):
The H2 and H3 are based off of the Tahoe/Suburban (GMT800) and Colorado platforms respectively, but both the H2 and H3 are quite capable offroad, much more so than their platform mates

My H2 seems to get through 18-20 inches of snow without any problems and busts right through 48 inch drifts just fine. You just have to manage your way through the maze of other stalled 4 wheel drive vehicles to get to the particular person you are there to assist. They never seem to have any disdain.

I find it interesting that so many people have emotional opinions of people based on the vehicle they drive. I glad I do not have to waste my time on such endevors.

Okie


User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3772 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4047 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
Hummers take up so much of the width space on the road. Most of the Hummer owners are more like they think they own the road and that only Hummers should be the only vehicle on them.

Saw a hummer trying to do a u-turn on a city street a few blocks away from my apartment the other day. Not a very wide street to begin with, it was even narrower due to the plough-walls of snow on both sides. Suffice it to say, the hummer ended up not being able to turn around, and, to my delight, was unable to turn back to the original direction. Lot of pissed drivers, who all had to back up. Not a single person offered to help either, which might be a little harsh, but the idiot shouldn't have been trying to do a u-turn in the middle of a street anyway...

Quoting bhill (Reply 9):
For the same reason we were pissed over the bonuses handed out to the financial Oligarchs this last year...They are gauche...nothing wrong with being confident, but I think the days of "Fxxk You I got mine" are gone.

Reminds me of one of the GTA 3 radio commercials, for the Maibatsu Monstrosity SUV. "Maibatsu: Because mine's bigger".   

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User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3945 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):

I cannot count how many times a Hummer nearly ran me off the road, especially on Pena Blvd at DEN.

What about school busses, garbage trucks, ambulances, and firetrucks?

Quoting Airport (Reply 2):
Apart from being f***ugly, to me it's the ultimate symbol of material excess

Who cares about how much someone spent on a Hummer?



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20343 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3929 times:

Quoting Airport (Reply 2):

Apart from being f***ugly, to me it's the ultimate symbol of material excess. I can't tell you how many people I know that drive them and don't need them. Should they have a right to drive them? Sure. But I have the right to laugh at them for it. I just think they're incredibly ugly, and everytime I see one I can't help but think "sorry about your penis."

The material excess cheese me off a bit, but the sheer impracticality of it is what really gets me. Here we have an enormous, difficult-to-drive vehicle with comparatively little interior space. It was designed as a military vehicle that could go over unprepared regions and could basically traverse almost everything a tank could. For that purpose, it is fantastic, I'm sure. But as a car meant to drive on the roads and get you to work, the gym, the store, pick up the kids, drop off the kids it makes no sense. It offers gigantic blind spots, it's susceptible to winds, it consumes fuel like Ron White consumes booze, and it offers nothing that a smaller SUV doesn't offer except for the fact that you can drive a hummer over some sorts of terrain that most SUV's can't handle. I'd say that fewer than 1% of Hummer drivers use it for such terrain.

So yeah, it's just flashiness. But it's also a free country, so if you want to have one, get one.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3896 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 4):
Also, what about RV, which are often far larger than a Hummer.

RV's are not driven as an everyday vehicle. Not a very good comparison, BMI.

Quoting flanker (Reply 10):
It is not my business what other people pick to drive, nor should it be any of yours either.

It will become my business when a Hummer totals my car, especially with a woman in it! Some people just cannot drive, I tell ya!   

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 16):
What about school busses, garbage trucks, ambulances, and firetrucks?

All of those have a purpose and is doing a job while for hire. Again, bad comparison. But those people who drive those vehicles KNOW how to drive, thankfully.



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User currently offlineflanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1661 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3892 times:

Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
So why so many pics of Hummers getting fingered? Does it have something to do with Prius drivers?
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 18):
It will become my business when a Hummer totals my car, especially with a woman in it! Some people just cannot drive, I tell ya!  

lol.. i gotta tell that one to my gf.. good stuff.



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 13):
The Wranger could probably do as good or better an H2 off road, but falls short on creature comforts.

Historically, some of the bigger Jeeps did well off-road also, and were a lot more comfortable. Then, of course, there's the Land Rover. The VW Touareg has also done well. Just look at what the Touareg has accomplished in the DARPA Grand Challenge and Dakar Rally.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):
Here we have an enormous, difficult-to-drive vehicle with comparatively little interior space. It was designed as a military vehicle that could go over unprepared regions and could basically traverse almost everything a tank could.

You're talking about the H1, which hasn't been for sale on the civil market for years. The recent attempt at selling the Hummer brand mainly revolved around the H2 and H3, and that's what most of the rest of us were discussing. The H1 technology would remain with MacAndrews & Forbes.



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User currently offlineGatorFan From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 331 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3863 times:

I'm surprised that Summer's Eve didn't enter into a sponsorship deal with Hummer because very person I've ever seen driving one is a douche.

User currently offlinefbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3713 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3842 times:

I think Hummer H2s and H3s are rubbish because they are designed and sold as status symbols, however, they're ugly, don't perform well off road, are unreliable, closely related to platforms that aren't any good on their own!

The H2 is a Chevy Tahoe with a faux macho body. The H3 is based on a pick-up truck! People pay a premium for garbage...and look like a douche at the same time. I worked with a guy who had an H3 and he gave me a ride somewhere once, I asked if he had a paper bag I could put over my head so nobody could see me in it.

The H1, as far as I know, is very closely to related to the HMMWV which is a great and very capable vehicle. It's a shame that GM bought the rights and sold garbage vehicles under the auspices they were somehow related to the military. A few years ago I was on my way home from work and needed to pop into the local grocery store to get a few things. On my way back to the car I see a bright yellow Hummer H2 parked next to my car. A guy of about 40yrs old in army uniform approached the Hummer, the only thing in the parking lot in the direction he was walking. Politely I said to him in my British accent, 'Being in the Army I'm surprised you didn't get the H1'. He smiled and said, 'Oh no, I'm not in the army at all. I just wear the uniform to go with the car, they drive these in the military over here'. Says it all really...



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User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3820 times:

Hummer H1 Curb weight 7608 lb.

Landcruiser curb weight 5390.

etc. It weighs as much as a Landcruiser and another car together. I had a neighbor whose high school kid drove himself to school in one everyday. One kid. In an H1.

Every Hummer other than the H1 was a compromise between being a "real" hummer and being a realistic street vehicle. The H1 has no business on the road. In fact, at that weight it is illegal on many roads.


User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3188 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3816 times:

Quoting fbgdavidson (Reply 22):
I think Hummer H2s and H3s are rubbish because they are designed and sold as status symbols, however, they're ugly, don't perform well off road, are unreliable, closely related to platforms that aren't any good on their own!

The H2 performs above and beyond off road, maybe you should do a little research.
Reliable? I have never had any problems. Gas, Oil, Filters and Tires.

Planning on buying a 2nd one before the selection runs out. The new ones have the Obama, Pelosi, & Reid 100K mile warranty covered by the taxpayer, thank you all.

Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
Does it have something to do with Prius drivers?

I have never had any problems with Prius drivers.

The only problem I have with Prius is they occasionally get struck in the fenderwells of my H2 and I have to carry a stick to dislodge them. 

Okie


25 Post contains images Superfly : Same for the Lexus LX470, LX550, Infiniti QX56, Mercedes G-class, Range Rover, etc.... Let's be consistent. NO! The best vehicle for that would be th
26 Post contains images Alias1024 : Maybe that explains my biggest gripe about the H2 and H3. There's no other vehicle on the road with such consistently bad drivers.
27 Post contains images AirframeAS : YES! Hummers were originally built for the military and were off-road vehicles and they should remain as such. The H2 and H3 are not even Hummers...
28 Post contains links Baroque : Part of the answer is at http://www.peakoil.net/ But heck, burning more petroleum than you need to is fun. Just wish they would would make it more ex
29 okie : My H2 gets 3 more mpg than my 3/4 ton pick up and is a heck of a lot smaller. I bought one of the electric cars for $9,000 last year, took the $4,500
30 cptkrell : I think that most people who equate driving a Hummer (talking H2, here) to male insecurity probably have their own insecurities, real or subconcious.
31 KiwiRob : Or even better a Land Rover Defender, or Land Cruiser 70 Series, another really good offroader is the Suzuki Jimny, the little buggers can get into s
32 Superfly : I wasn't talking about the H1.
33 BMI727 : It is perfectly valid. If you complain about Hummers because they are large and the drivers are not trained in how to drive them, then you should als
34 Post contains images ShyFlyer : I see that behavior a lot, and it isn't limited to Hummers. Even though I'm an unapologetic SUV owner, I too just don't get the desire to own a Humme
35 N328KF : I call BS on this one. GM had 100% control over the Hummer brand (MacAndrews & Forbes, the owner of the AM General brand, sold it to GM years ago
36 BMI727 : The Hummer brand name was sold to GM before the launch of the H2. But as discussions about the potential H2 progressed, GM wanted to make sure that t
37 LOT767-300ER : You can hate the H2 and H3 and its drivers all you want but to say that the H2 and H3 are not capable off-road is just a blatantly mis-informed state
38 vikkyvik : Yep. But learn to drive properly! That's why I said:
39 Post contains images ken777 : Forget the ecotards - when the price of petrol went through the roof the Hummer (and other large SUVs) looked like dumbmobiles. I don't think Hummer
40 AirframeAS : No, it is not...far, far from it still! RV's are not driven to and from work, grocery store, taking kids to soccer, etc etc on a daily basis. You can
41 BMI727 : If you don't want to pay for the gas drive something else. Some people didn't want to pay to fill their H2 and got something else, but I don't think
42 Post contains images N328KF : What are you talking about? I dunno about Moab, specifically, but the Touareg is pretty well-known for its ability to run off-road. Stanford ran one
43 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : You should come to Florida then and see all the old folks in their Lincolns and Buicks. The motorcycle drivers down here are pretty bad too. If you w
44 MD11Engineer : I´d prefer the predecessor Suzuki Samurai or SJ413 to the Jimny (I used to drive one for several years). They seem to be tougher and mechanically si
45 Post contains images AirframeAS : Thankfully, I don't drive a Prius at all and never will. Now if a Hummer with a woman in it plows through a red-light intersection and hit me and I s
46 Springbok747 : Cool..thanks for all the replies..I didn't check this thread yesterday..was caught up with stuff. If you watch series 14 of Top gear, the episode wher
47 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : Did you read what I wrote? Dont joke around that a Touareg would even attempt 90% of hardcore off-road terrain. It doesnt have the suspension to even
48 MD11Engineer : LOT767-300ER, You´d be surprised what terrain an old 1970s Volkswagen van can handle. When I was a boy my family did quite a few trips to remote plac
49 Starbuk7 : OK, I have seen plenty of drivers in everything from a prius to a SUV to a Hummer to a mini-van of which they shouldn't have a license because they re
50 JakeOrion : I'm with Starbuk7 on this one. I personally do not care if your driving a Ford Pinto or a suped up Chevy 16 inch lift monster truck (though those do p
51 StealthZ : They used to and may do so again soon The Australian Army seems to think so, they are currently taking delivery of 1200 of them to begin replacing th
52 Post contains links and images seemyseems : I didn't see this posted anywhere: link Sad news.
53 N328KF : I don't see why. The H1 (in military guise) lives on, and AM General lives on. It's just the silly GMT models that are dying.
54 BMI727 : No, I'm not. People aren't complaining about how much they are driven. People have been complaining about how big they are and how they are driven, w
55 Post contains images AirframeAS : For once, you are correct.
56 Post contains images Superfly : Besides, GM already has existing models that are superior to everything else offered in the Hummer line. The existing GMC 3500, Yukon and Suburban ar
57 DeltaMD11 : Don't know what kind of military HMMWV you've been driving lately but they're sluggish and pretty damn easy to get stuck if you're not careful. Espec
58 MD11Engineer : I haven´t driven any HMWV, my offroad experience is with Land Rover Defenders and Suzuki Samurais, but I grew up beside an US Army barracks and knew
59 BMI727 : They didn't have a whole lot of choice since the alternative was always repairing transmissions due to careless GIs. They wanted to have a true succe
60 Post contains links and images LOT767-300ER : Those VWs have simplicity going for them. Ive also seen them drive through some rough terrain, however the physical limitations prevents them though
61 DocLightning : Wait, everyone is arguing about how the Hummers do off-road. You're missing the point: Think of the last ten examples you saw. How many of them were a
62 Post contains links and images LOT767-300ER : How much do you go off-roading. Last 2 people Ive known with Hummers, Ive off-roaded constantly: You can say that for every car DoLightning. Think of
63 asuflyer05 : I'm not a big fan of the way the H2 drives. Visibility is pretty crappy and the steering is vague. I found it tough to maneuver in tight spaces. I'm n
64 MD11Engineer : Well, in the German Land Rover forum I frequent we quite often make jokes about the Range Rover Sports, Discovery 3s and Defenders with chromium plate
65 Post contains images AirframeAS : The time I have ever seen one off-roading was the military version at Ft. Lewis when my sister's ex-husband was stationed there. A lot, especially in
66 LOT767-300ER : Its all about what kind of terrain you're in. A Samurai is great for mud because it weighs almost nothing and great for tight spaces, but it has down
67 Springbok747 : Wow..didn't know that. Good for the Army! It'll be nice to see some camo G-class vehicles on the road!
68 BMI727 : Why is that a problem? They aren't spending your money or mine to fill up the tank. That is driven by necessity. If there were less play in the steer
69 MD11Engineer : The Germans go the other way. The Bundeswehr has recently based a huge order for Nissan patrol trucks, possibly because MB became too cocksure of alw
70 cptkrell : Not stealing the thread here, but wouldn't the Bundeswehr going to Nissan arouse the same outcry as the USAF considering Airbus vs Boeing for purchase
71 cws818 : That's not a particularly apt comparison, since offroading is legal, whereas driving 130mph in the U.S., generally, is not.
72 MD11Engineer : No. In the next smalltown near the village I live in there is a Bundeswehr barracks (a signals regiment). I always see the soldiers on the roads arou
73 LOT767-300ER : No, they dont. People in the US do not drive fast in fast cars. Apart from a few isolated instances the masses drive horribly slow. And going to the
74 cptkrell : cws818; LOT767's comparison may, in fact, be a li'l bit apt if one wants to take your "...since offroading is legal..." at face value. Seeing as how o
75 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : That would be nice.
76 Post contains images Aaron747 : I really don't care what people drive either, but I'd personally never buy a Hummer either. They are surprisingly popular in Japan, which only further
77 LOT767-300ER : Correct me if I am wrong, doesnt the Hummer H3 have something like a $2,800USD government credit in Japan now for "fuel efficient vehicles" ?
78 aerorobNZ : Because dynamically and build wise they are shit compared to their competition. They consume fare too much fuel without the benefit of it going into a
79 Post contains images AirframeAS : Obviously, you have never been to Arizona nor have you ever lived there for a long period of time.
80 LOT767-300ER : Ive been to Arizona, and 46 other states plenty of times. I dont remember people speeding en masse down interstates. What I do remember is your idiot
81 Post contains links and images Aaron747 : Yep - but that still doesn't resolve the issue of Governator and others failing to adequately fill those tighty pants. I agree - who wants some lame-
82 AirframeAS : I do. I lived in Arizona for 5 years before moving out to Colorado where I reside now. Anyway, up the 17 between PHX and FLG is a haven for those who
83 DeltaMD11 : Well said Peter, exactly what I'm talking about. Anyone who has driven a military HMMWV will understand this. They can haul and bear loads but in term
84 Pyrex : What about RVs towing Hummers? Saw that on a highway once. It is like that person was trying to get into low single-digits mpg.
85 Post contains links and images Fly2HMO : I've experienced the same as AirframeAS. Having lived in the area for quite a while as well you did get to see decent sports cars going pretty quick
86 Post contains images AirframeAs : I guess Scottsdale changed them up in the last couple of years to the combo. I lived in Chandler and Ahwatukee and we did not have the combo. Just th
87 Alias1024 : I lived in Florida for about 5 years. The old folks are bad, but not as bad as the H2 and H3 drivers in California. The are oblivious and aggressive,
88 Post contains links Fly2HMO : And then you got stupid cases like these: http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/18/hot-rodder-to-take-on-the-system/ I remember in PRC they paved over the
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