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MLB Realignment For The 2011 Season?  
User currently offlinedragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3982 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4798 times:

A story on FOX sports proposses that MBL should realign the teams into new divisions. The new divisions would look like this.

AL Atlantic:
NY Mets
NY Yankees
Orioles
Nationals
Blue Jays

AL Great Lakes:
Pirates
Tigers
Indians
Reds
Twins

AL Pacific:
Giants
Athletics
Dodgers
Angels
Mariners

NL East:
Red Sox
Phillies
Braves
Marlins
Rays

NL Midwest:
Brewers
Cubs
White Sox
Royals
Cardinals

NL Southwest
Rockies
Diamondbacks
Padres
Rangers
Astros

What do you think of this realignment idea? You think it will work in the long run? I like the idea, but it would kill some real good rivalries.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/r...enthal-realignment-proposal-022510

[Edited 2010-02-26 15:31:02 by srbmod]


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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4781 times:

I wouldn't be surprised to see the leagues and divisions balanced out so that there are 15 teams in each league and 5 teams in each of three divisions - but to take away the Yankees - Red Sox? Come on! I doubt the MLB would ever go for that.

User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9897 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4778 times:
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Quoting dragon-wings (Thread starter):
AL Atlantic:
NY Mets
NY Yankees
Quoting dragon-wings (Thread starter):
NL East:
Red Sox

Yeeaaah......No way.



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User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4275 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4750 times:

Won't happen. Rangers won't go to the NL. Yanks and BoSox won't be split up.

What I could see is the long overdue move of the Rangers to the AL Central -- promised many moons ago to help cut down travel time. The problem then is finding out who else to put in the West.

I can't remember where, but on some ESPN or FoxSports blog they discussed realigning the divisions. Pretty sure it was ESPN. They discussed basically having rotating divisions. Some teams would stay in a specific division no matter what, but other teams could move around. For example:

AL East: always have Yankees and Red Sox; rotate between Baltimore, Cleveland, Detroit, Tampa, Toronto
AL West: always have Mariners, A's, and Angels; rotate between Twins, Royals, White Sox, and Rangers
AL Central: rotate between Baltimore, White Sox, Cleveland, Detroit, Kansas City, Minnesota Tampa, Texas, and Toronto

NL East: always have Mets and Marlins; rotate between Phillies, Nationals, Braves, Reds, Pirates, Cubs, Cardinals, Brewers (or move the Brewers back to the AL to even the divisions)
NL Central: rotate between Phils, Nats, Braves, Reds, Pirates, Cubs, Cards, Brewers, Astros, and Rockies
NL West: always have San Fran, L.A., San Diego, and Arizona; rotate between Colorado and Houston.

ESPN's guy recommended having a drawing after the Super Bowl to determine which teams would play in which divisions. Not sure if I like the plan, but it is innovative!

The most logical thing to do to create even leagues, if you were inclined to realign, is to move the Brewers back to the AL Central and then move the Twins to the AL West. Either that or move the Astros directly to the AL West.

Texan



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User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4734 times:

Quoting dragon-wings (Thread starter):
AL Pacific:
Giants
Athletics
Dodgers
Angels
Mariners

All they need to do is replace the Mariners with the Padres and the state of California would be guaranteed a playoff spot every year. Even with the Mariners, the state has a very good chance at a playoff spot.

The Giants and the Dodgers in the AL?    Say it ain't so.   


User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2311 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4734 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 1):
15 teams in each league and 5 teams in each of three divisions

That means you have an inter-league game every day, or one team is off every day.

I don't see any way the realignment proposed by Fox Sports can work, especially for 2011. Right now, the AL teams use the designated hitter, the NL doesn't. They would have to either adopt the DH for all teams, or eliminate it entirely. Either way they went, it would cause headaches and heartaches.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21552 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4701 times:

Quoting moose135 (Reply 5):
That means you have an inter-league game every day

Not a bad idea IMHO - at least that way you can treat the games as regular games and not as just some exhibition that counts in the standings. It would also fit well with the idea of NFL-style scheduling, which I'm not opposed to.

But as far as putting the Red Sox in the NL, and the Dodgers and Giants in the AL...   

-Mir

[Edited 2010-02-26 18:32:57]


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User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2311 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4661 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
Not a bad idea IMHO - at least that way you can treat the games as regular games and not as just some exhibition that counts in the standings.

And on the other hand, I think they should eliminate inter-league play until the World Series, making it something special, but I know that ship has sailed.



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13547 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4658 times:
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If it ain't broke...   


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 76
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4649 times:

Quoting dragon-wings (Thread starter):
A story on FOX sports proposses that MBL should realign the teams into new divisions. The new divisions would look like this.

Every year you see some stupid story like this.

Quoting dragon-wings (Thread starter):

What do you think of this realignment idea?

I think it is terrible. The Dodgers (yay) and the Giants (boo) should never, ever be in the American League.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 8):
If it ain't broke...

Precisely. I think the current format, with the Wild Card and traditional teams in their traditional leagues, strikes a perfect balance.



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4647 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
Precisely. I think the current format, with the Wild Card and traditional teams in their traditional leagues, strikes a perfect balance.

Certainly an argument to keep 3 divisions instead of move to 4 (or add another round to the playoff or give a couple teams a bye in the first round). There could be a better balance of the divisions though. The AL West has one less team than the Central and East division. The NL Central has one more team than the NL East and West. Not quite fair IMO.

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
It would also fit well with the idea of NFL-style scheduling, which I'm not opposed to.

They already do that for inter-league. The leagues rotate which division in the other league they will play every year, with special exception made for big rivalry games (The Mets and Yankees will play a 3 game series at Yankee Stadium and at Citi Field regardless of which division from the other league the AL and NL east are playing.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 76
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4644 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 10):
Certainly an argument to keep 3 divisions instead of move to 4 (or add another round to the playoff or give a couple teams a bye in the first round).

No more rounds. That waters down the playoffs and also makes the season far too long, as it is already stretching into November. Baseball is not the NBA, where more than half the teams make the playoffs every year. It needs to be limited. The current system does that.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 10):
There could be a better balance of the divisions though. The AL West has one less team than the Central and East division. The NL Central has one more team than the NL East and West. Not quite fair IMO.

Actually, the one bit of realignment could indeed be there. The proposal I saw, which was very reasonable, was as follows:

D'Backs to AL West - Creates a decent natural rival for the Padres and balances the AL West with the rest of the AL
Astros to NL West - Fills the void left by the D'Backs moving to the AL West, eliminates the odd geographic issues with the NL Central and feeds of the natural California-Texas rivlary.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 10):

They already do that for inter-league. The leagues rotate which division in the other league they will play every year, with special exception made for big rivalry games (The Mets and Yankees will play a 3 game series at Yankee Stadium and at Citi Field regardless of which division from the other league the AL and NL east are playing.

I like the way this is handled now as well. Regional rivalries and also rotation.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15727 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4638 times:

Quoting dragon-wings (Thread starter):
Cubs
White Sox

NO! If you listen to any sports radio from Chicago you would realize what a horrible idea this is. It would increase the idiotic penis measuring by the respective meatball fans of each team.



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User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4595 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
The Dodgers (yay) and the Giants (boo) should never, ever be in the American League.

Wrong!!! It's the GIANTS (yay) and the dodgers (boo).    


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4579 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
I think it is terrible. The Dodgers (yay) and the Giants (boo) should never, ever be in the American League.

I agree. Neither should the Pirates, Reds, Nationals or Mets. I know the Nats just came to Washington a few years ago, but give DC time. With the core they're building, they could be competitive sooner rather than later, unlike the Pirates. But if you took the old-school rivalries away, who would go to the games? I wouldn't go see a Pirates-Blue Jays game or Pirates-Athletics game, they're just not natural rivalries.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21552 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4570 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 10):
They already do that for inter-league. The leagues rotate which division in the other league they will play every year,

Yeah, but I'd rather see something where the schedule is sort of matched by the standings, so that a good team plays mostly other good teams from the other league, regardless of what division they're in. I'd like to see the Yankees play the Cardinals and the Dodgers - I don't really give a crap about the Pirates or Diamondbacks.

-Mir



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 76
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4554 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 14):
Neither should the Pirates, Reds, Nationals or Mets.

Pirates and Reds for sure, given how long their history is (Pirates won the first World Series and the Reds are the first modern MLB team). The Mets were created out of the legacy of New York's previous two NL teams, the Dodgers and Giants. The Nats were Les Expos, and should still be Les Expos, but they have history too.

Quoting Mir (Reply 15):
Yeah, but I'd rather see something where the schedule is sort of matched by the standings, so that a good team plays mostly other good teams from the other league, regardless of what division they're in. I'd like to see the Yankees play the Cardinals and the Dodgers - I don't really give a crap about the Pirates or Diamondbacks.

That screws up the competitive balance and also denies the fans in those smaller markets the chance of seeing bigger teams, and thus denies those teams revenue.

Indeed, matching teams by the standings wouldn't matter anyway. The history the Dodgers and Cardinals have would carry a series with the Yankees even if one of the three teams were in last place.



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4538 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):

Thanks, I'm a die-hard NL guy too. Cannot stand the AL and the DH in particular.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 76
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4507 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 17):

Thanks, I'm a die-hard NL guy too. Cannot stand the AL and the DH in particular.

Hank Steinbrenner should have gotten a smack for his garbage about the NL being behind the times on having the DH.



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User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3011 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4474 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 17):
Cannot stand the AL and the DH in particular.

Can't stand the AL BECAUSE of the DH.
Get rid of that, then we can at least have a conversation about realignment.
Until then, no way.



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User currently onlinecsturdiv From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1456 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4374 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 10):
Certainly an argument to keep 3 divisions instead of move to 4 (or add another round to the playoff or give a couple teams a bye in the first round).

I like the MLB Playoffs as they are, they are not as long as the NBA or NHL playoffs, where 3/4 of the team make the playoffs and the playoffs last for months.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12):
NO! If you listen to any sports radio from Chicago you would realize what a horrible idea this is. It would increase the idiotic penis measuring by the respective meatball fans of each team.

Most of those people that call Chicago sports radio are meatheads. I am not sure how it is in other cities, but during baseball season here in the Chicago area, the meatheads do come out. I am a Cubs fan and I do not like the White Sox. Well, I do not care for them, I wouldn't say a not like. I prefer NL baseball over AL baseball, it seems more pure and is more entertaining to watch with the various strategies that go into just about every at bat. The DH is what kills AL baseball for me.



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User currently offlinetravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4359 times:

The additional complication is that if you have 15 teams in the AL, and 15 teams in the NL, "intra-league" play would be throughout the year (since there would be an odd number of teams in each league, and one AL team would have to play one NL team on an ongoing basis).

What baseball should really do is expand by 2 teams, and have 32 teams (16 per league). They could then do the divisions & leagues NFL-style (four teams per division, four divisions per league).

AL West
Angels
A's
Mariners
Portland/Las Vegas (expansion)

AL North
Twins
Royals
White Sox
Tigers

AL South
Rangers
Devil Rays
Indians
New Orleans/Memphis (expansion)

AL East
Red Sox
Yankees
Orioles
Blue Jays

NL West
Dodgers
Giants
Padres
Diamondbacks

NL North
Rockies
Brewers
Cubs
Cardinals

NL South
Astros
Braves
Marlins
Reds

NL East
Mets
Pirates
Nationals
Phillies

As has been mentioned previously, there is no chance that the Dodgers, Giants, or Red Sox would ever switch leagues, or be separated from their primary divisional rivals.


User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7140 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4346 times:

Quoting 4holer (Reply 19):
Can't stand the AL BECAUSE of the DH.

Yep! It is not real baseball.
No way would the MLB ever get rid of Boston-Yankees. I would love to see the Marlins play in the same league as the Yankees or Red Sox even though that means more compettition it also means more money for the Marlins as Yankee fans and Red Sox fans would be going to the games all the time. Also I think it would spark a nice rivalary too. I think the leagues are pretty good the way they are though. But as others said get rid of the DH then change stuff around.



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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1551 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4321 times:

Quoting travelin man (Reply 21):

I like your idea of which teams would be in which division. I'd like to see MLB move into parts of the midwest like the Dakotas, Kansas, Iowa....maybe even someplace like Montana/Idaho/Wyoming as these places are almost completely untouched by MLB. Also, MLB needs to put another team or two outside of the US, be it somewhere in Canada or Latin America. I've heard a lot of people suggest San Juan. with regards to the ideas posed in the article, I would never want to see the Yankees/Mets or Cubs/White Sox in the same division. Talk about something that would start an inter-city rivalry...

Marc


User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4270 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 23):
I would never want to see the Yankees/Mets or Cubs/White Sox in the same division. Talk about something that would start an inter-city rivalry...

Seriously, that would take away the chance of a subway series.


25 FlyMIA : You cant put a team in a small city like those of Kansas, Wyoming etc.. The TV markets are way too small to make money. As for Canada Montreal could
26 moose135 : I've thought the same thing - and in doing so, only the eight division winners make the playoffs, eliminating this ridiculous "Wild Card" deal where
27 N1120A : If not for travel issues, Hawai'i could probably support a team. That happens in all sports. I like having a single wild card team. It allows a team f
28 DiamondFlyer : Not going to happen, as there just aren't enough people. There are lower level teams in the area (AAA,AA, etc..). For instance, Omaha has AAA Kansas
29 travelin man : I'd say the following cities could potentially support an MLB baseball team: - Portland - Las Vegas - Salt Lake City - Oklahoma City - San Antonio -
30 FlyMIA : IMO - Portland Probably could. - Las Vegas No way, MLB would never let it happen anyway. - Salt Lake City I dont think so but maybe. - Oklahoma City
31 Post contains links travelin man : Just to add further context, here are the metro area populations (2008 per Wiki) of the cities I mentioned: Portland 2.2M San Antonio 2.0M Las Vegas 1
32 Post contains images AirframeAS : I'm with you on that one. The current format works fine. I don't see a problem with it. The only thing that is broken is Selig, himself. The dude has
33 travelin man : Why does expanding by two teams imply that you'd have to expand the season? It shouldn't (as it didn't when Colorado and Arizona were added in the 90
34 AirframeAS : Because the more teams you add, the more games you would need to play. MLB got lucky when Colorado, Arizona, Tampa Bay and Florida got added to the l
35 travelin man : Well obviously they would change the current rules and format (maybe minimizing inter-league play?). It is far from set in stone, since all teams pla
36 AirframeAS : Inter-league play is like a week and a half. That is nothing. It could, in thoery. It would still screw up everything. In other words, make the seaso
37 travelin man : No, the season would NOT be any longer. Three rounds of play-offs, exactly like it is today. I too remember how it used to be just the ALCS/NLCS and
38 AirframeAS : Again... Like I said.....
39 Mir : The Braves are closer to Charlotte than they are to New Orleans. The closest team to New Orleans is the Astros. It's not a matter of opinion. It's a
40 AirframeAS : Like I said.... I still think it won't work, no matter how you try to convince me. Sorry. I shrug.
41 Mir : Ok, going to try this one more time. Currently, we have a 162 game regular season with 30 teams, followed by one round of best-of-5 and two rounds of
42 AirframeAS : You don't need to waste your breath, no matter how you try to convince me. Sorry.... I still don't agree.[Edited 2010-03-03 20:30:43]
43 N1120A : The Braves are really a non-factor for New Orleans proximity. As Mir said, the 'stros are really the closer team. That said, New Orleans and Louisian
44 FlyMIA : Yea but as the NBA and MLB are different the NFL and MLB are much different. There are 8 home games a year compared to 81.
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